r/PublicFreakout • u/mouthofreason • Aug 07 '21
Large protests are underway in Paris and many other cities in France against vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations. š·Pandemic Freakout
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
In the United States. There is a whole list of Vaccinations that are REQUIRED for school attendance.
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u/lolpopdolla Aug 08 '21
I had so many vaccines and I thought it was normal. I managed to survive public school, where itās pretty fucking nasty there and people are too caught up with the local culture to even consider hygiene.
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u/bloedit Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 07 '21
I don't support those protests as they're run mostly by antivaxxers and anti-regulation groups.
But, there can be good and very bad legislation with the same general goal. Imagine Marine Le Pen, Orban, or Erdogan mandating or issuing passports on anything. In Europe there are already enough parties you don't want to have such power.So, imo, first, there must be a clear understanding how far the lawmaker can go. Then, there should be a clear framework centered around the drug approval process, rather than the political process, with explicit and conditioned norms who can and cannot be mandated (a comprehensive system for exceptions is just as important as the design of the mandate). After all, such encroachment on personal rights can't be regulated merely by one's good intentions.
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u/DramDemon Aug 08 '21
What are you arguing against? You do realize thereās no passport being made here, right? Itās literally just requiring a vaccine in order to use public services which already happens with schools.
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u/froprz Aug 08 '21
So if you don't take the vaccine, you're not allowed to use public services, therefore you should not pay taxes as well, correct?
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u/DramDemon Aug 08 '21 edited Aug 08 '21
I donāt think thatās how that works, but Iād have to look into it. We have all the answers because this has been a thing for decades.
EDIT: Itās hard to sort through all the COVID vaccine exemption bullshit, but it looks like you still pay taxes for the school system even if your child canāt go there, since itās based on where you live.
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u/MostlySlime Aug 07 '21
I don't think any of those vaccines used a new technology and were the fastest vaccine to go into global distribution though. I'm not anti-vax, but it's not just another vaccine added to the list, business as usual
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 08 '21
Correct, the current raft of vaccinations required for US school attendance are all fairly old vaccines.
But please donāt forget that mRNA technology is itself not ānewā. Itās been in Research and Development for 50 years. This was just the first vaccine to use it.
Itās actually safer than the original technique of using āattenuatedā or Weakened virus strains. There is NOTHING in the mRNA vaccine that can āgiveā you the virus. All that is in it is the DNA required to identify the Spike proteins on the virus.
After you get the mRNA vaccines your body starts to break them down almost immediately. After about a week itās all gone and your body is then making antibodies for the payload that was in them.
I had the Pfizer vaccine and my shoulder muscles felt āfullā or sore for about 8 hours after each shot. My wife and kids all got the J&J vaccine, made with more traditional techniques, and they all felt poorly for 8-16 hours afterward.
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u/MostlySlime Aug 08 '21
Just to be clear, I agree with what you said. There is no evidence that the vaccine is harmful in any way, other than there were a few cases of blood clotting issues in people with a rare genetic disposition.
I'm pointing out that there is some reason for people to be sceptical of this vaccine without believing in QAnon. There's talk of 3rd doses and annual doses which also makes people more wary of a vaccine mandate
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u/reading_internets Aug 08 '21
Yeah I have a friend who's been losing his sight since he was 14 due to retinitis pigmentosa. His first dose made his vision significantly more impared.
Tests were mostly done on people without disabilities, he said. So if you or anyonr you know has RP, be aware it can cause issues.
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u/vic06 Aug 08 '21
New technology??? CRISPR, the technology behind the Pfizer/BioNtec and Moderna vaccines, was first published in 1987. The first application proposing a role of CRISPR in immunity response was published in 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR
Mojica, F.J., DĆez-VillaseƱor, C., GarcĆa-MartĆnez, J. et al. Intervening Sequences of Regularly Spaced Prokaryotic Repeats Derive from Foreign Genetic Elements. J Mol Evol 60, 174ā182 (2005). https://doi.org/10.1007/s00239-004-0046-3
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u/WikiSummarizerBot Aug 08 '21
CRISPR () (which is an acronym for clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats) is a family of DNA sequences found in the genomes of prokaryotic organisms such as bacteria and archaea. These sequences are derived from DNA fragments of bacteriophages that had previously infected the prokaryote. They are used to detect and destroy DNA from similar bacteriophages during subsequent infections. Hence these sequences play a key role in the antiviral (i.
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u/MostlySlime Aug 08 '21
This is the first time an mRNA vaccine has been approved. Of course they didn't just work overtime one weekend in 2020 and come up with a new branch of vaccines
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u/vic06 Aug 08 '21
I appreciate that you acknowledge that they did not came up with them overnight. However, mRNA injection is not new either. They were first tested in animals in 1990.
I point this out for people reading this who truly think these vaccines were rushed from the ground up.
The first successful transfection of mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle into a cell was published in 1989.[15][16] "Naked" (or unprotected) mRNA was injected a year later into the muscle of mice.[3][17] These studies were the first evidence that in vitro transcribed mRNA could deliver the genetic information to produce proteins within living cell tissue[3] and led to the concept proposal of messenger RNA vaccines.[18][19]
Liposome-encapsulated mRNA was shown in 1993 to stimulate T-cells in mice,[20][21] and mRNA proved useful two years later to elicit both humoral and cellular immune response against a pathogen.[3][22][23]
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u/WikiSummarizerBot Aug 08 '21
A ribonucleic acid (RNA) vaccine or messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine is a type of vaccine that uses a copy of a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) to produce an immune response. The vaccine transfects molecules of synthetic RNA into immunity cells, where the vaccine functions as mRNA, causing the cells to build foreign protein that would normally be produced by a pathogen (such as a virus) or by a cancer cell. These protein molecules stimulate an adaptive immune response which teaches the body to identify and destroy the corresponding pathogen or cancer cells.
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u/vibinginthewoods Aug 07 '21
People in my country can't get vaccines after standing in queue for hours.
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u/Ennheas Aug 08 '21
This makes it more ironic, first world countries have more vaccines than people taking those vaccines and the rest of the world is still waiting for them to have enough available. Humans are so complex...
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u/stratamaniac Aug 07 '21
Fight for the freedom to infect! Last week they protested against condoms
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u/aubie1998 Aug 07 '21
yes, and vaccinated people that have breakthrough infections suffer much milder symptoms (if at all) so if every gets the fucking vaccine then we can get the pandemic taken care of. but don't disregard the facts because they don't fit your narrative.
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u/stratamaniac Aug 07 '21
Yes, but only the unvaccinated are dying though.
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u/SnooPineapples6395 Aug 07 '21
Oh ok then, 99% of COVID deaths in the last few months are from those who are unvaccinated. Is that better?
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u/AppleNerdyGirl Aug 08 '21
Just imagine the outrage when they find out you need a drivers license to drive. If people donāt want the vaccine fine but businesses can make decisions all they want.
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u/TheOriginalGregToo 20d ago
Where was this attitude when that one bakery didn't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple? They were smeared and taken to court for years. They were routinely held up as an example of why businesses should NOT be allowed to do whatever they want. Then this past year the narrative changed. So which is it?
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u/Raytacos Aug 08 '21
Getting a drivers license does not require fluids being shot into your arm thoughā¦..
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u/AppleNerdyGirl Aug 08 '21 edited Aug 08 '21
But itās required to travel including passports. I will be thrilled when someone is turned around after paying for flights at gates because lack of vaccination documentation.
Also, as a military brat I had to keep vaccination records all the time. Still have my little yellow book.
Why? Oh right because we lived overseas and we needed proof. I like how THIS is the moment people choose to complain. Lol
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u/notillnate Aug 07 '21
I could never understand why you people hate freedom
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u/Anaistrocas Aug 08 '21
What freedom? Ever heard of the evil communists in China talking about a QR code to go anywhere? Yeah me neither but it's happening in France.
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u/VunnitoL Aug 08 '21
Being forced to get vaccinated is freedom to you? Real freedom can't be found in todays governments.
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u/Soyman_Bridges Aug 08 '21
Real freedom can't be found in todays governments.
Including freedom from being infected by anti-vax morons
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u/Monchichi-Party Aug 08 '21
If you're vaxxed why does it matter to you? I'm vaccinated by choice. But I'm not sitting here on my high horse like you clowns. Let people be. Vaccine passports are an over reach.
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u/butters091 Aug 08 '21 edited Aug 08 '21
Well Kip, it sure as shit matters to those who canāt get the vaccine yet, overworked healthcare professionals, and potentially everyone if a viral strain that renders our current vaccines ineffective develops.
Thereās one way out of this mess and itās through herd immunity, weāve known that since day 1
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u/Soyman_Bridges Aug 08 '21
Because people being unvaccinated is a danger to other people. How is having proof of vaccination overreach lmao.
High horse? No, itās the bare fucking minimum that I could to help reduce the spread.
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u/StinkyMcBalls Aug 08 '21
If you're vaxxed why does it matter to you?
Because of the possibility that unchecked spread among the unvaccinated will cause mutations in the virus, potentially leading to more dangerous strains. Also because some of my family can't get the vaccine and are therefore still at higher risk.
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u/VunnitoL Aug 08 '21
why are people hating on my comment it's literally a reality....being forced to do something (doesn't matter if it is good or bad) is not a form of "freedom"
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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21
Because your comment is based on a fallacy. In France, nobody is forced to be vaccinated. You can get a sanitary pass even if you're not vaccinated there.
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u/VunnitoL Aug 08 '21
Well not being able to live normally without a vaccine is kinda forcing it in a disguise
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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21
What don't you understand in "You can get a sanitary pass even if you're not vaccinated there"? If you're unvaccinated there, you still can access the same services, businesses and events than vaccinated people.
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u/Ishihado Aug 07 '21
YAY! America isn't the only place with science denying idiots! I know, I shouldn't be happy about this, but it just feels nice knowing we don't have the corner market on assholes.
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u/623-252-2424 Aug 08 '21
I'm in Australia. Look at my post history (not comment) and you'll see the type of crap I'm dealing with. I know the people in that thread personally.
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u/Ishihado Aug 08 '21
I am truly sorry.
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u/623-252-2424 Aug 08 '21
The person who posted that is the mother of the child my daughter played with in kindergarten but fortunately she moved to another town. She's visibly deranged and her husband looks even more deranged. Like. Both are extremely wild eyed looking and admit to having multiple mental illnesses after you get to know them better.
I understand her but the people in the comments piss me off. Some of them are con artists who sell fake services like iris reading, fortune tellers, crystal peddlers. I'm surrounded by crazy.
This pandemic has made me want to move but I'm such an integral part of my community that I don't know what to do. I don't want to start making friends from scratch all over again. I've done it 30 times in my life and I'm sick of moving.
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u/BlazingSaint Aug 07 '21
Brazil has a fair share of idiots as well. Friggin' Bolsonaro supporters.
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u/balance007 Aug 07 '21
idiots around the world my friend, they just historically been silenced by the smart ones in the community...now with social media they find each other and organize.
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u/chronobahn Aug 08 '21
While Iām sure there is much overlap, anti vaccine passport does not necessarily equal anti vaccine. If you watch independent outlets interviewing these people a surprising number only oppose the mandate, not the vaccine itself.
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
Being against forced vaccinations and passports has nothing to do with denying science.
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u/Soyman_Bridges Aug 08 '21
Why should proof of vaccination be something which you are against?
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
Because it is a violation of your freedom and privacy.
A business should have the freedom to ask for proof, and people should have the right to refuse it, it works both ways. But any government service or nationalized business should provide their service to anyone regardless of what vaccinations they've had. You have rights as a person, and I don't think they can or should be altered unless you break the law.
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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21
You know that, in France, unvaccinated people can still access all the same things as the vaccinated, right? You can get the sanitary pass even if you're not vaccinated.
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
I'd suggest translating "sanitaire" as "health".
That aside, you're trying to make a distinction but that pass is still for people who are either vaccinated or recently tested. But the crux of the issue is not the vaccinations, it is a two tier society where one person can do something another can't.
That it seems like a good option to battle a pandemic is irrelevant, an internet filter for kiddy porn might seem like something you can't argue with either, unless you realize that it's just a foot in the door to strip people from their privacy. Which coincidentally is exactly what Apple decided this week, and what experts clearly recognize it as.
Many people just look at this instance in isolation and fail to see the bigger picture.
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u/Ishihado Aug 08 '21
What? You do know that schools and hospitals have required proof of vaccination for YEARS, right? It's not a violation of anything. It's a safety measure. You're fucking rights to privacy end the moment you put others in danger.
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
The US has been locking up people for user amounts of weed for half a century. Would you argue that the age of a measure is a good indicator of its quality?
If your only argument is "we've been doing it for years", then why are we not burning witches anymore?
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u/Soyman_Bridges Aug 08 '21
Lmao, if you refuse, then no fucking service. You donāt have the right to kill people.
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
What a surprise that someone who starts a sentence with "lmao" doesn't understand what it means when 2 parties have rights. Ironically, you sound like an average anti masker. Businesses have the right to require masks, you have the right to refuse. Now where in that statement do you think your right to refuse a mask trumps the business right to refuse you? The same is or should be true for vaccinations.
Yeesh, think before you mouth off.
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u/Soyman_Bridges Aug 08 '21
Yeah, businesses can tell you to get the fuck out of you arenāt wearing a mask, hopefully we see the same with vaccines.
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
There's nothing to hope for, a business can refuse you service if you're not wearing a pink hat for that matter. There's no extra law required, a private business can refuse service to anyone.
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u/No_Scientist3784 Aug 08 '21
How do you feel like you have the "right" to enter any private store or space while putting others at risk of injury or death answer is you dont. You have the right to sit at home and do nothing with your life after this nothing is a given get that straight stfu about your rights if you dont know what they are !
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
Where did I say you have the right to enter a store? I said the store had the right to make any requirements, and you have the right to refuse them.
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u/No_Scientist3784 Aug 08 '21
You have the right to refuse and stay home were we dont have to deal with you. They do not have to serve you in any way at all you seem to think you can do what you want and that will end very soon.
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
Who is this "you" you are talking about, I've had my vaccinations. That doesn't mean I believe in a two tier solution.
You can't even get something as simple as a nuanced believe about being against vaccinations and being against forced vaccinations and identification right. Why do you think you're in a position to say anything constructive about handing out special privileges to vast swaths of the population?
This is exactly why I'm against it, not because I hate vaccinations, or because I think it's not effective in dealing with a pandemic, but because by and large people clamor for these things without a level head. They're just sick of everything, they're scared, tired, and then they start applauding the most far reaching measures without understanding the implications.
I wish it were different, and I wish we were not ruled by people who wouldn't take advantage of misery, but we are, so I can't in good conscious see these measures as a good way to deal with the situation.
We're all in agreement on how these things look on the surface, but many people don't perceive it as anything but the surface, and that is problematic.
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u/sawdustnsteel48 Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 07 '21
fuck them.. no vaccination= no entry.. businesses have a right to refuse service and protect other customers.
and all you " MA RIgTHs" people... sure you have a right to NOT get vaccinated, just as every business and service has a right to NOT allow you entry. you CAN remain unvaccinated at home.
you WILL get COVID eventually... if your over 45, your likely to REALLY wish you got a vaccination..
and thus far the effects of COIVD long term on your health isnt known for certain, so theres a chance you may need new lungs or kidneys after..
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u/Roversid96 Aug 07 '21
You are too ignorant to argue with if you truly want the government giving or taking away freedom from citizens on a discretionary basis
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u/Kiss_My_Ass_Cheeks Aug 07 '21
you are free not to take the vaccine, and businesses are free to deny you entry for being a health risk.
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u/sawdustnsteel48 Aug 08 '21
I got vaccinated the moment I couldā¦ unlike the dipshits who donāt then have the gall to call anyone else ignorant..
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u/Inner-Corner69 Aug 07 '21
Na fuck you asshole.
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u/Kolt_BBA Aug 08 '21 edited Aug 08 '21
Fuck you, retarded antivaxxer
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u/Inner-Corner69 Aug 08 '21
Says the retard who can't spell. Eat shit and die fuck face.
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u/Kolt_BBA Aug 08 '21
At least I'm not an antivaxxer, the scum of the Earth.
No amount of knowledge can fix your stupidity.
I'm just gonna clap my hands if you got admitted into ICU for Covid19.
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u/sawdustnsteel48 Aug 08 '21
No worriesā¦ math says Covid will fuck you like nothing ever beforeā¦ prep your anusā¦ or vaccinate
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u/johnpershing Aug 08 '21
I wonder what kind of filth spawns and raises such a subhuman. I guess you missed the CDC report out of Mass, huh?
https://twitter.com/JCConradson/status/1424035882454065155
This is the point where you run to your fake fact-checkers and hope for answers
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u/sawdustnsteel48 Aug 08 '21
I wonder what degree of fucking stupid thinks Twitter posts saying some unnamed doctor in Israel has an opinion on a deadly virus with a link so a blatant bullshit ānewsā anchor Somehow that constitutes a rebuttal of facts on 600k plus dead and CDC.gov s own stats with credited/NAMED virologists speaking about Covidā¦ donāt be a fucking muppet. Get the shot if you donāt want to die.. frankly I donāt give a fuck if you never get a vaccinationā¦. Iāll just check estate sales in my area until you and all your moronic clan are in the ground.
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u/Kiss_My_Ass_Cheeks Aug 07 '21
people didn't choose to be jews. you idiots are choosing not to get a vaccine. you are not the victim
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u/Flopamp Aug 08 '21
Bunch of fucking morons. "when will the lockdowns end?!" when you fucking vax up you entitled prick
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u/mdhunter99 Aug 07 '21
We are fucked as a species.
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u/sawdustnsteel48 Aug 07 '21
let Darwinism work itsself out... given time, everyone who doesnt have a vaccination against a virus WILL get infected.
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u/623-252-2424 Aug 08 '21
The issue is they will be hosts for potential deadlier mutations. We can't just leave these people to get infected. Their insolence causes problems for everyone else.
Had the world had proper leadership and not a bunch of dictator wannabes at the helm, it would've gone on lockdown on day 1 for a month or two none of this shit would've happened. We had very incompetent leadership who was pressured by business owners to open up.
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u/Arningkingking Aug 07 '21
Millions have died already and these entitled assholes still refuse to get vaccinated. Just donate your vaccine to other countries that need it more then!
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
They are against mandatory vaccinations, that doesn't mean they are against vaccinations. I'm vaccinated, I don't believe in mandatory vaccinations.
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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21
These protest aren't against mandatory vaccination. They are against having to provide a negative covid-19 test.
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u/MostlySlime Aug 07 '21
At a significantly lower rate and for less time with less severe reactions. Don't bend the truth
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u/Arningkingking Aug 08 '21 edited Aug 08 '21
Yes but it's still 95% effective in reducing the chance of you getting the virus, if you don't want to protect yourself just think of your family and the people around you. Also, think of condoms, they aren't 100% effective but we still use them for protection.
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u/BannertheAqua Aug 07 '21
Would this count as an anti authoritarian protest?
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u/Aerik Aug 07 '21
hell no. These idiots, when in office, turn right around and go as fascy as they can get away with.
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u/eidhrmuzz Aug 08 '21
At least itās not just america where weāre really stupid. āAlways look on the briiiight side of life!ā whistles
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u/NewRenoBouncer Aug 08 '21
Well, Imma start prepping for the apocalypse. Our coasts will soon flood due to unchecked climate change, our oceans will die due to pollution and mass fishing, and our clean water is gonna run out. This is all coming in about 20 years but obviously nothing will be done since people would rather die then get a quick jab in their arm.
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u/thisdarkcity Aug 07 '21
It might seem like a lot of people but the vast majority in France are supporting the vaccine. Something like 80% in Paris for instance have had at least one shot.
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
So, stupidity ISNāT limited to the US? Iām shocked I tell you ā¦ SHOCKED!!
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u/mightyboink Aug 07 '21
Stupidity knows no boundaries.
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u/Commentariat1 Aug 07 '21
Stupidity knows no boundaries
Only because the internet has no boundaries. There once was a time when America's dumbest ideas were stranded between the world's two largest oceans.
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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21
Whatās stupid about it?
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
If you donāt have a health reason to not take a vaccine, why would you not take it?
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u/Hermitically Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 07 '21
Because, regardless of what anyone says, there is no long term data on the safety of this particular mRNA vaccine because it was approved under emergency authorization and is a completely new form of vaccine type. That coupled with all the reports of people experiencing heart palpitations, irregular periods, and other severe symptoms is cause to believe they may not be as safe as we are being told. Combine that with theories that the vaccinated could suffer from Antibody-dependent enhancement and you are really gambling with your health over a virus with a 99.6% survival rate for most people. Not to mention there have been something like 12,000 fatalities in the VAERS database attributed to this vaccine... more than deaths from all vaccines over the past 20 years combined. You're better off taking supplements, exercising, and keeping your body healthy rather than freaking out because the TV told you to.
This is from Moderna's own site - The Moderna COVIDā19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVIDā19. There is no FDAāapproved vaccine to prevent COVIDā19. (https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/recipients/moderna-vaccine)
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u/No_Scientist3784 Aug 07 '21
Mrna vaccines have been used for almost 20 years in animals and have eliminated 2 other corona viruses and 3 deadly diseases. How ever you are correct this is the human trial that is required so we didnt lose half the population on the planet again. But hey you can keep taking your vitamins and pretending ita gonna all be ok. Just do it at home where no one has to deal with you.
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u/Hermitically Aug 07 '21
Most of the animals in those clinical trials later developed auto-immune issues amongst other things that significantly decreased their lifespan.
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u/vic06 Aug 08 '21
They did not, and that's why they are widely used. I feel you're going to to drop this argument when I tell you that, while similar, the technology behind COVID vaccines is not exactly the same as veterinary variants. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use virus-like-particles (VLP), which have already been used in fully approved vaccines against HPV and Hepatitis B.
Aida V., et al. Novel Vaccine Technologies in Veterinary Medicine: A Herald to Human Medicine Vaccines. Front. Vet. Sci., 15 April 2021 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fvets.2021.654289
Care to provide a peer-reviewed source to back up your claim?
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u/No_Scientist3784 Aug 07 '21
Buddy we wouldnt have cattle without it. You have no idea what your talking about
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u/Hermitically Aug 07 '21
Your arrogance will be your downfall.
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u/No_Scientist3784 Aug 07 '21
Ok jedi master ill make sure i check in with you anytime i want my daily fill of bullshit and stupidity.
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u/pinktaco99 Aug 07 '21
False
More than 346 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 2, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,490 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if itās unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
6,490 deaths, thatās 0.0019% of vaccinated individuals. And the vaccine may not even be the causes of all those deaths when you have a sample size that large.
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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21
there is no long term data on the safety of this particular mRNA vaccine
So you prefer to take the long term risks of the virus?
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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21
I have a work colleague in hospital on life support after his lungs filled with fluid less than 24hrs after his 2nd jab. Wonāt see that on the news though! Guy was perfectly healthy until he had his 2nd dose of the vaccine!
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
Interesting. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines consist of a DNA snippet that is wrapped in lipid molecules. The sniper represents the spike proteins on the virus. The lipid wrapper is why it has to be stored in deep freezers.
It is true that very rare adverse cases occur, they occur with ANYTHING that we introduce to our bodies. But if we lived our lives based on the worst case scenarios, we would never get anything done.
Cases like your friend are not reported in the news because they are 1 in 10,000,000 and not worth reporting in public news.
I promise you, those cases ARE tracked by Medical Professionals.
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u/vic06 Aug 08 '21
Your coworker's embolism was not caused by the vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine could not trigger the rare thrombosis that could develop pulmonary embolism. That was linked exclusively to the Astrazeneca and J&J vaccines, and women in particular.
https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/07/blood-clotting-covid19.php
There is a plausible causal relationship between J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse eventāblood clots with low platelets (thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, or TTS). However, after reviewing all available safety data, CDC and FDA recommend use of this vaccine resume in the United States given that the known and potential benefits outweigh the known and potential risks.
This adverse event is rare, occurring at a rate of about 7 per 1 million vaccinated women between 18 and 49 years old. For women 50 years and older and men of all ages, this adverse event is even more rare.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/JJUpdate.html
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u/Paul2777 Aug 08 '21
He hasnāt got an embolism, he developed a huge fluid build up in his chest less than 24hrs after his second jab and was rushed to hospital. Currently no one is updating any of us with his situation, itās all being kept quiet. Iām sorry but you can all have blind faith in these vaccines but not all of us are like that.
I do not trust them and would rather not put unnecessary drugs inside my body. Saying that though I will have the vaccine within the next month and this is to protect my livelihood because its clear now there are too many hysterical weirdos out there who will never give up until every unvaccinated person is unemployed and living in poverty due of their choice not to have it. Iāve had covid twice and barely a cough each time, had worse hangovers to be honest.
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u/Hermitically Aug 07 '21
If he does end up on the news, they'll just say he died from the latest super deadly strain that you'll need a booster shot for.
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Aug 07 '21
And yet millions of people have not had that issue.
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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21
You either believe in human rights or you donāt. You canāt just throw them out the window for a largely minor illness. Once theyāre gone theyāre gone and we wonāt be getting them back.
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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21
Not sure where in the world youāre from but I believe in something called freedom of choice! Let me explain. I literally have the tail end of a covid infection right now, barely a cough and a slightly high temperature, had worse hang overs to be honest and I havenāt had the vaccine.
I have a friend at work who is currently on life support because after having his second jab last week he had a very bad reaction and his chest filled with fluid putting pressure on his vital organs. May be related to the vaccineā¦ may not, but you wonāt see it in the news I know that much! š
I am not anti vaccineā¦ I will probably have it eventually but I would appreciate having the choice rather than being forced into it through fear of poverty šš»
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
Where does that attitude stop?
Is it OK for someone to get sloppy drunk and drive their car through town at high speed?
Itās a matter of personal choice, as you say.
The problem with your point of view is it doesnāt take into account your impact on people you encounter.
Your freedom of choice cannot infringe on someone elseās freedom of choice.
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u/Sea-Hornet-9140 Aug 07 '21
Remember when Trump was president and started operation warp speed, and everyone said they would never get a vaccine that was rushed so recklessly? My how that tune has changed.
Forced medication is also perhaps the biggest red line to cross. What's next, forced mental health medication to make sure there are less shootings?
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
Iām not clear what your point is.
Seems to me, the same people that complained about ārushedā vaccines then are the same people crying about āpersonal choiceā today.
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u/Sea-Hornet-9140 Aug 07 '21
No it's the complete opposite - everyone anti-Trump was anti vaccine, because he was rushing them (the old 'pro choice crowd). Now, everyone anti-Trump is pro vaccine even though they are still rushed and still from Trump's Warp Speed project. You also see a lot of the opposite where Trump supporters were pro Vaccine then switched when Biden came in (your new 'pro choice' crowd).
I really wish people would stop and think a bit more. You see this sort of flipping all over the world on all sorts of issues, like refugees going into Europe being all about inalienable human rights, until now because they are coming through Belarus so fuck 'em. The global population has seemingly been successfully divided along political lines.
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
āTrumpā had nothing nothing to do with vaccine development other than allowing the funding for it to pass. That shit tried to deny that COVID-19 was a problem. He wanted to leave people on their cruise ship so āour numbers wonāt go upā. How shallow can a human being be?
I remember that there was some concern with his political appointees in various departments potentially getting in the way of straight scientific research and trying to push odd ball treatments (Hydroxychloroquine anyone) or him suggesting UV lights be used āin the body, somehowā. āI told my people to Slow down testing so there wonāt be as many casesā.
Trump actually got in the way more than he helped the whole process.
But he DOES deserve some credit for letting the process get started. Not that he could have actually prevented it.
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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21
We have laws to stop people driving into crowds last time I checked. If the people I encounter are so bothered about covid then its their decision to protect themselves with a vaccine.
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
So should we have law requiring vaccinations? Oh wait, we already DO! You canāt send a child to school without them!
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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21
We have laws to stop people driving into crowds last time I checked.
So you think we should have laws preventing people going in public spaces when they aren't vaccinated?
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u/10Cinephiltopia9 Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 07 '21
Nothing. I have had my vaccine for months. Being anti-vax and protesting this are completely different things
I would never go out and protest, but let these people exercise their right to do this, whether you think itās stupid or not
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u/OrangeInnards Aug 07 '21
but let these people exercise their 1st Amendment right
The famous French 1st Amendment.
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u/10Cinephiltopia9 Aug 07 '21
Shit sorry - fucking stupid of me. Jesus lol thanks for pointing that out
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u/Hifen Aug 07 '21
Government shouldn't be able to force vaccinate, but vaccine passports will absoltuley be necessary.
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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21
Yeah maybeā¦.. What for though? Going abroad or to public places and work etc?
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u/Hifen Aug 07 '21
I mean, france is differen't. The french protest because they like to protest. The same group would be out marching asking for mandated vaccines if the government wasn't looking into it.
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u/623-252-2424 Aug 08 '21
Watching this made me angry.
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Aug 08 '21
Good news, you have a pulse. š
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u/623-252-2424 Aug 08 '21
Many of the people in my town would be delighted to watch that. I guess it's more about having brain activity than a pulse.
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u/IllustriousStorm5730 Aug 07 '21
Can we get a Sir David Attenborough voiceover narrating the idiocy of these people?
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u/TexanMaestro Aug 07 '21
So if we're ushering in the apocalypse now, can someone let me know so I can start maxing out my credit cards and making other decisions that I won't have time to regret.
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u/IdeaImaginary2007 Aug 07 '21
Whenever covid cases starts declining suddenly those anti vaccine and anti maskers starts rallies and protests... Which inevitably leds to more increase in covid cases... It's almost like those protest are sponsored/back/instigated by some groups who stands to gain due to continuing lockdowns
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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21
They arenāt anti vaccineā¦. They are anti vaccine passports š¤¦š»āāļø
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u/Destroyeroyer2 Aug 08 '21
Its basically the same thing, if they wanted the vaccine, passports wouldn't be a problem
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u/Paul2777 Aug 08 '21
So everyone should have the vaccine then? Even someone like myself who has had covid twice and barely even a cough each time? So many maniacs on here desperate to throw away our human rights over a 99.7% survivable illness š f*ck me Iād rather have the flu jab because I get far sicker when I have the flu!
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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21
If you got covid-19 and you live in France, you can get the sanitary pass, therefore, you have no reasons to protest.
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u/Hermitically Aug 07 '21
According to CNN, the BLM protests helped to reduce spread of the virus.
In fact, researchers determined that social distancing behaviors actually went up after the protests -- as people tried to avoid the protests altogether. But obviously, these demonstrations caused a decrease in social distancing among actual protesters.
"Our findings suggest that any direct decrease in social distancing among the subset of the population participating in the protests is more than offset by increasing social distancing behavior among others who may choose to shelter-at-home and circumvent public places while the protests are underway," the report reads. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/coronavirus-cases-protests-black-lives-matter-trnd/index.html)
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u/_CR77_ Aug 07 '21
They got that damn right to protest.
Hope they are all vaccinated! Peace!
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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 07 '21
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u/Old-Independence5822 Aug 07 '21
It's Ironic to me that the majority of the people pushing for vaccine passports are the ones who will sit there and tell you that the police are bad and should be abolished entirely.
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u/dembones_is_toomuch Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 07 '21
They've been tricked by the industrial complex into holding conflicting views, which BY DESIGN conditions people to WILLINGLY maintain themselves in a state of cognitive dissonance with no possible resolution (the only resolution would be to abandon the packaged views and choose your own views individually, which conflicts with their ideology of how the world works, i.e. "culture is everything, pick a group and stick to it.") It's just a racist mindset shifting from skin color (they see racism everywhere because the shape of that thought process mirrors their primary one) to a nameless spiritual vibe that they can't quite put words to but follow unquestioningly (the vibe being the intentions of selfish people in power, which they work to keep undefinable).
The entire endgame of this strategy is to weaken the average person's willpower and get them to love the feeling of uncertainty.
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u/K3051 Aug 08 '21
Just like how a month ago they were saying "punch a Nazi", now they're asking for your papers lol.
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u/Old-Independence5822 Aug 08 '21
Exactly, It's like Cognitive Dissonance has become a trend and a badge of honor all at the same time.
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u/DogFacedManboy Aug 07 '21
Is it just me or does the drumming kinda sound like the beginning of Down With The Sickness? Too perfect.
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u/LaurJames Aug 07 '21
Goes to show how stupid people can be. Every military serviceman around the world has to be vaccinated due to deployment. Every State run school has mandatory vaccines. What a bunch of entitled jerks.
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u/rocca514 Aug 07 '21
Freedom of choice. Its our body
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Aug 07 '21
Not when your actions directly impact those around. Go live in the fucking woods if you feel that way.
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u/Unknownqtips Aug 07 '21
How does it directly effect you if you're vaccinated and safe so they say
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u/Hawtdawgz_4 Aug 07 '21
There are people who truly canāt get it because of terminal illness. You guys really just want this shit around forever donāt ya?
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u/Unknownqtips Aug 07 '21
If thats the case where you're terminally ill you would think you would stay home to not get covid and die Its probably gunna be around forever theres already talks of a new strain that is vaccine resistant what a suprise
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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '21 edited Aug 10 '21
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u/Unknownqtips Aug 07 '21
If theres already vaccine resistant mutations might as well wait for a vaccine that can kill all birds with one stone if you know what i mean
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u/aubie1998 Aug 07 '21
because variants of the disease arise in populations of unvaccinated people. ergo, the more the unvaccinated people, the greater the likelihood of variant of arising for which the vaccines don't offer protection. look up the lambda variant that is circulating in south america. there is mounting evidence that perhaps it is resistant to the antibodies produced due to vaccination. so, no, this is not just a problem with the irresponsible people that decide to remain unvaccinated.
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u/Pseudobyte Aug 07 '21
It doesn't, don't be daft. Your trite little remark just shows how little empathy you have. It isn't about one person. There is a whole group of people that cannot get vaccinated. When you choose to forgo vaccination you put that group of people who have no choice at a statistically greater risk of infection. It is your body and your choice, but maybe think if dying on this hill makes you look like a piece of shit.
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u/Unknownqtips Aug 07 '21
"When you choose to forgo vaccination you put that group of people at a statistically greater risk of infection " tf you tryna say to not get it? Because if im putting a group at a greater risk why get vaxxed
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u/Pseudobyte Aug 07 '21
This goes back to you lacking any sort of empathy.
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u/Unknownqtips Aug 07 '21
Im just confused on what ur tryna say thats all dont take it as an insult
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u/Epistaxis1981 Aug 07 '21
I'm going to settle this argument right here. You don't want to get vaccinated, That's perfectly fine your body your decision. But what I do expect you to do is wear a mask, wash your hands, social distance from people and not complain about it. You can't have it both ways you can't be anti mask and anti vaccine. There are people out there who are not able to get the vaccine. And doing everything that you can to help your fellow human being without getting the vaccine should be the least you could do.
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u/Unknownqtips Aug 07 '21
I 100% completely agree you can go without a vaxx but then take the precautions to protect others and i do
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u/leofntes Aug 08 '21
Meanwhile in poor countries people protesting because they donāt have vaccinesā¦ what a world
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u/Iwillcancel Aug 08 '21 edited Aug 08 '21
Nobody realizes that these people are only organizing and causing chaos in Western societies but Russia and China are not falling for this anti-vax bullshit? I mean at some point politicians need to tell these people to fuck off for the sake of national security.
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