r/worldnews • u/OuthouseRedback • 15d ago
Western Australia has made it illegal to protest outside abortion clinics *Within 150 meters
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/western-australia-has-made-it-illegal-to-protest-outside-abortion-clinics6k
u/slugsliveinmymouth 15d ago
I’ll never forget the time my girlfriend came back from a planned parenthood in tears because 50 or so women were shouting baby killer and whore at her. The best part is she wasn’t even getting an abortion. She was getting prenatal vitamins for a healthier pregnancy.
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u/FapplePie85 15d ago edited 15d ago
I get screamed at every time I get an STD test. Or they have people out pretending to work for PP and telling people you have to check in with them at the gate then BOOM they give you anti abortion shit.
I'm like, bro. This location doesn't even offer abortions.
ETA: there sure are a lot of uneducated people in the comments who are absolutely baffled by the idea of routine testing and responsible sexual health. Y'all are the reason for the statistics. But I guess if you never get a test, you technically never have to disclose your status to your partner. 🤡
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u/Akiba89 15d ago
pretending to work for PP and telling people you have to check in with them at the gate
Wow that's incredibly fucked up...
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u/OneBigRed 15d ago
I remember a Last Week Tonight episode where they showed anti-abortion activists having set up similiarly named ”clinics” with very visible signs just about next door of the places people were actually looking for. They would then offer ”help” to those unfortunate enough to walk in.
I’m from Europe and my knowledge comes from a entertainment show, but i found it absolutely bonkers that those instances do not need to state that they do not offer abortions, and it’s A-OK to keep your customer thinking that you do. Just stringing somebody along who is probably a complete mess long enough that legal abortion is off the table.
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u/Shaysdays 15d ago
This is true. And in the days when the Yellow Pages were how folks found out about local businesses, they would pay to be listed under “Abortion services.” These days they have to classify themselves as “pregnancy crisis centers” or something similar- which is better but not by much.
Their main thing is offering abortion (but never actually calling it that) at an insanely cheap price, then stringing the women along until it’s legally too late or they can convince her her body is not her own.
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u/KokoSoko_ 15d ago
Yeah I read a girls story where the crisis center said they would help her and then one it was passed the mark where she could get an abortion in her state they abandoned her completely, and she was pregnant with twins. She said it ruined her life.
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u/PGLife 15d ago
This is all about creating desperate people to exploit. American evangelical christianity has become heretical. If they were real Christian's theyd know Jesus is the kind of guy who would spend all day braiding a whip so he could beat the shit out of Christian's like these.
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u/MK2555GSFX 15d ago
Take a look at Poland, they've gone the other way.
We have abortion clinics in the Czech Republic now that only employ Polish speakers and serve only Polish women who have crossed the border to get help
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u/dymdymdymdym 15d ago
The people who set these kinds of scams up should be legally liable for sending monetary support into raising the children they've helped bring into this world. That'll get them shut down extremely quick.
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u/DiggerDudeNJ 15d ago
More likely they'll just declare bankruptcy and reorganized under a new business name. That's what Randall Terry (forced birth terrorist) did when Planned Parenthood won a huge a civil case against him, he declared bankruptcy so PP couldn't collect.
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u/Plumb789 15d ago
Actually, I think that everyone who protests outside an abortion clinic should be made to pay an extra tax to support the financial upkeep of children from parents who can't afford to feed them. They should be GLAD to do so.
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u/gelinrefira 15d ago
Duplicity and lies are part of their tactics. They justify it by saying they are fighting for fetuses and god. For god, anything goes. They are the kind of people who are so convinced they are right, they are willing to do heinous things for it.
This is why I'm convinced the next rise of fascism will be in America. These people operate with impunity and they have the most powerful propaganda machine in the country. Imagine people like that controlling the most powerful military in the world with thousands of nukes.
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u/RenegonParagade 15d ago
Would that count as impersonating a medical professional? I think it should, but I have no clue if it would actually count or not
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u/FapplePie85 15d ago
No, because they don't literally say that. What they do is put a certain color shirt on and reflective vests and stand at the gate with clipboards, waving cars to stop at the gate to sign in on the clipboard. But then BOOM. Surprise bitch! We're here to shit on you instead!
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u/cg1111 15d ago
If somebody took my name at a Dr office under false pretenses I can 100% promise you I will spend a night in jail.
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u/eatrepeat 15d ago edited 15d ago
*relevant ed- https://partnersforourchildren.org/resources/topics/foster-care
Dude, they used to bomb the university campus that I cooked at for 10 yrs. Every semester we would get notice that they were coming a week or so ahead. All staff were told they could stay home if that would upset them. Every god damn time I was short staffed and I don't even care if some just took it as a day of rest nicely placed in their lap, not my problem and I can rock a long ass shift on the line.
However I made a point of marching right up to them after my shift. They usually were being ignored by the passers by and so engaging me was just what they hoped for, until I unleashed. Listened first of course but just long enough to allow their own words to be the rope I used to hang them.
Starting with, where do you volunteer that assists orphans and foster children that were saved from abortion? What changes to the foster system are you fighting for? How is your outreach here affecting the orphaned and those in foster care? How many volunteer hours have you put in today, how many this year? What meaningful assistance has personally been given to orphans, orphanages or the foster children? How many at risk youth programs are you involved in?
Followed by generally asking passers by what they think of someone who is willing to hold anti abortion propaganda for an afternoon and has given X amount of time to foster children and orphans. Actively spending over an hour sharing their answers with those just going to and from class, students who happily chastised the activity of these activists. Often enough the head of their team would ask me to leave to which I happily pointed out that my freedom to express was as valid as theirs and ask if they wanted a security guard to come by, as I am campus staff and have them in my contacts. Then I'd open up to them that some 40 staff took the day off to avoid these activists, just another group of people like the foster children and orphans that they have shown disregard to by simply putting time and effort into this anti-abortion message instead of helping and caring for those who are hurting. That they seem very calloused to the fact that they bring a huge wake of events that they do not engage. Once I felt like I aired my grievances for the long shift I'd leave them with this. Foster kids are expected to have all there personal items fit into black garbage bags as they are moved through the system and no church group has bothered to do a thing about it, they are abandoned by the very people who preach that life is precious, people who have more things than can fit into black garbage bags. Fix that issue or admit your a hypocrite.
And with that I went home smiling. Moved on from chef life so I haven't had a chance in years. Maybe that'll be my goal this year, find some anti-abortion activists and give them my 2 cents.
Edit Thanks for the kind words. Appreciated honestly but like I said I cooked for students on campus a *long time. Many fine cooks came from tough circumstances, needed a break coming in late and hung over, again. I shared this today because it still is a broken system today in 2021 as it was in 2004 when my eyes were first opened to the foster system realities. Always burned me seeing so many hold signs and no one could even get the foster system to afford these kids some luggage. Black garbage bags... Doesn't feel very good to admit that I've done very little though. I'm no hero. So I googled foster care reform and found this, seems a good place to start but open to suggestions. https://partnersforourchildren.org/resources/topics/foster-care
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u/Wereno 15d ago edited 15d ago
Where I went to high school there was a civics teacher who was religious and prolife. I remember when talking about Roe V. Wade he let some of his personal views come out while reading the decision and arguments. Him and his wife were foster parents, and adopted two children. He was pro-universal health care before it was ever talked about in the US. Thought it was a moral obligation Christians had along with feeding, clothing and housing the poor. He was anti-war, anti-nuclear proliferation, anti-death penalty and strongly anti-poverty.
When discussing the Supreme Court decision and the arguments the lawyers presented, he said that while he personally felt abortion was murder, it wasn't a classification that could be made legally. He had us go down slippery slope arguments of "could you abort a baby 2 weeks after it's born?" Or "Do you try to police the uterus and try to charge every woman who miscarriages with negligent homocide?" That was when I first learned how common miscarriages were. He did that to help explain why the court decided on the trimester model that they went with. He explained how women who were raped or were victims of incest would would often kill themselves instead of bring the baby to bear, and how virtually everyone in the US agreed that baring those women, or women whose lives were threatened biologically by pregnancy was seen universally in the US as the worse than abortion of two (and the reasons and polls behind it). He then explained how the 14th ammendment was interpreted that it wasn't O.K. to force the disclosure of the reasons behind abortion, so even if rape/incest/mother's life being in danger is a small percentage of total abortions, the government could not distinguish those abortions from the others.
He also showed us some statistics of women who died from and hospital wings filled with self-abortions or back-alley abortions.
He said his personal conclusion was making it illegal wouldn't change demand, only make it more dangerous and hurt more people. And that the best way to get rid of abortion was by making a world where having a child wasn't having a burden by making child care, health care and economic aid etc more readily available for everyone. While he didn't like contraceptives, he sill considered them the lesser of two evils when compared to abortion so figured they should be free and available to everyone.
Completely warped my view of what "pro-life" was. I assumed most pro-life people were like him. Working at their church food pantry on the weekends and all that bs. Nope. I have never met another pro-life person since then, only anti-choice people. I assume there are more pro-life people out there, maybe, but we only ever see or hear from the anti-choice people.
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u/Scat_fiend 15d ago
I never understood how the same people who preach about life being sacred before a baby is born then have no interest in that child’s wellbeing after they are born. Eg the same politicians who want to criminalize abortions also vote to lower funding to preschools are don’t want to raise the minimum wage. They actively want these same lives that they save (and their mothers) to be in destitute poverty.
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u/Thanatosst 15d ago
Because they don't get the cognitive dissonance between two of their stances:
1) Abortion is murder, so all kids must be born
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2) The government should do as little as possible to help people, even/especially those who have no ability to help themselves and rely on others to survive.
I've tried to argue with these types of people that reducing taxes and privatizing health care means people just won't be able to afford it (like what we already have in the US), and a better method is to take the taxes and health care costs we're already paying, and make it actually work for everyone via Universal Healthcare. They refused to accept that if you lowered taxes, there would be people who couldn't afford health care; they seriously believed the only reason someone wouldn't go to the doctor is that they didn't prioritize their health. It's pure insanity.
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u/ilir_kycb 15d ago
The motive behind it is quite simple to understand.
It is the currently most effective method of producing maximally exploitable (cheap) labor for the capitalists. In short, an increase in Reserve army of labour.
This also explains why these politicians don't care at all what happens to the children after birth.
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u/annul 15d ago
you could do that.... ooooor you can do what i did and just take my vuvuzela and stand next to them and blow it every time they try to speak
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u/stfu_whale 15d ago
Dude holy shit, vuvuzelas are the most annoying things in the world (besides these anti-abortion activists and antivaxxers). You're a genius and I implore everyone to buy a vuvuzela!
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u/FruitsOfDecay 15d ago
My best friend was a foster care kid, because his mom couldn't get an abortion, and was forced to try her best to raise a child she was mentally, physically, and financially too unwell to care for.
He went from house to house, getting continually traumatized by abusive foster homes mixed with getting sent back with his abusive family. He was sexually assaulted, starved and more in that system.
He ended his own life last year, just a few days after turning 19 and getting kicked out of his most recent foster home.
The adoption system is fucked, it cost one of the most amazing people I've ever met his life, and forcing a human being to have a child they cannot care for is immoral. There is no good that comes from it, people get abortions for a reason.
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u/Akiba89 15d ago
I think technically not, as the check in desk wouldn't be a medical professional, but rather clerical staff.
However, the fact that they're impersonating a person who works directly with a doctor should (but likely doesn't by law) count. Frankly I think it's bullshit that it doesn't count, considering the end result would be the same.
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u/oooorrrrggggyyyy 15d ago
I swear to god I am not a violent person but i think with things like this, it should be perfectly legal to slap that person once really hard and walk away.
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u/Akiba89 15d ago
Yeah... Honestly, I'm not saying we should go back to the medieval times, but people have such fucking audacity to do terrible shit today because they're basically free of any violent repercussions. Or if they do suffer them, the person gets put in prison, even if it was morally justified.
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u/Zithero 15d ago
Me and my Ex-Wife got taken in by one of these fake PP clinics.
My wife was spotting and we had the goal of going to a Planned Parenthood for some Prenatal care, as we were uninsured at the time (Pre-ACA).
When we went in they offered a Pregnancy test... we were fine with this, like... standard right? Want to make sure she's pregnant and such.
When in there the woman is like: "So... what are your plans?" and we're like: "Well.. we want to make sure there's nothing wrong with the pregnancy and that everything is progressing normally" - she then is like: "Oh... we're not a doctor's office we're just here to provide information."
I got pissed: "Wait, then why bother? We're here for care, that's why we came to Planned Parenthood - for prenatal care and a doc." - note, we made an appt and both took off of work for this...
I didn't even know what a fake PP was... but I was proper pissed off. She offered to refer us to a few other places, none of which were doctors, and I basically said, point blank: "The reason we came here, was that the symptoms she's showing, are frightening, concerning, and we don't want to miscarriage if we can prevent that. We're looking for a doctor who can specialize in pregnancy." - and we left with nothing.
2 weeks later she miscarried.
I blame the free clinic for slowing down the process of us finding a proper PP which could have handled our situation. Good job fake PP! You ended up killing a baby.
The place is still opened - I am still furious it is still opened.
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u/FapplePie85 15d ago
I'm sorry for your loss.
That's so extra fucked up. These places are dangerous and make absolutely no impact on abortion like they think they do. Unreal that they are allowed to do this shit b
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u/UltraWafflez 15d ago
I remember these fuckers would protest at my elementary school for some reason
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u/16yYPueES4LaZrbJLhPW 15d ago
There was a man, easily 80 years old, who would stand on the corner of a road right outside the city of the college I used to attend.
I saw him every time I drove past that corner. Every single day, at every time of the day, he was there. Equipped with a baby doll in a stroller and an 8ft sign, it was like this man was protesting for his life.
I felt bad for him. Especially since he was devoted to protesting a clinic that overall decreases the need for abortions, but provides them in a safe and sterile environment if necessary. I don't know if he realizes that these clinics will first compile all the resources they can to help you carry through with your pregnancy, and have stopped more abortions than he has.
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u/PraiseGodJihyo 15d ago
They don't care. For them it's all about being righteous warriors for their god. All we can do is try to educate the young in the hopes that one day religion, at least fanatical religion, will be a relic of the past.
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u/The-Lord-Moccasin 15d ago
I went to a private Christian school from K-12 and I can definitively say that's how these belief systems are propogated: Getting to kids before they can properly develop their mental skills and trapping them in such beliefs.
My analogy has always been: Imagine an athletics facility that claims "Send kids to our programs and we'll teach them how to exercise, run, leap, etc!" So parents drop their children off, the employees lead them inside, knock them out, and surgically remove their legs. Then the children crawl out when the program is finished, and the employees go home to sleep soundly knowing they've brought joy and goodness to this evil world. That's about what such schools are for academics rather than athletics.
I despise such fundamentalist worldviews with a passion only intimate knowledge could inflame, but I can't help but feel a deep pity for those I grew up with (and people like them) even as they spout nonsense and insanity and vitriol. They were born in a casket.
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u/Cha-Le-Gai 15d ago
There's an old guy who walks up and down the shoulder of a major road near me, always dragging a 10-foot cross. Actually dragging isn't the right word. It has little caster wheels on the bottom. But still he'll do it for a few hours at a time in the Texas heat. I don't know what he protesting or promoting but all I can ever think is "this did is fucking crazy."
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u/drdrdrnrs 15d ago
Schools having staff that taught about planned parenthood and where to go to get counselling about their future were targetted a lot were I am from. We had school nurses who were all former military and the head nurse for our region was a former Marine who told any women protestor that if they wanted to discuss it with her personally, she'd be more than happy to have a brief conversation with them. One that was light on talking.
That lady endured a whole lot of entitled and arrogant stupidity but, not surprisingly, none of the Gyneth Paltrow following church going soccer moms wanted to push their luck with her face-to-face. And they knew they couldn't push their husbands to do it either (many of whom were former military as well) on planned parenthood or anything, including getting vaccinated.
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u/santagoo 15d ago
Their logic is simple. if you're going to PP, even for non abortion, you're doing something about your sexual health. Ergo, you're sexually active. Ergo, you're a whore.
The types that protest outside PP is the religious fanatics who think sex is not only for husbands and wives only, but also expressedly for procreation only.
It's a very sex negative mindset, and PP is antithesis to that mindset, doesn't matter whether abortion is ultimately involved or not.
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u/juicemagic 15d ago
It's so messed up. PP was that first clinic/doctors office I went to, that finally answered my questions and provided the information I needed to make my own informed consent about birth control. Not because I needed birth control per se, but because my periods were awful and painful and being a young adult woman who never wanted children who couldn't afford sterilization AND had limited insurance options... they did an amazing job at helping me find what works for me.
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u/W1nd0wPane 15d ago
Most locations don’t! There are like 4 PP clinics in my city but only 1 does abortions.
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u/GlazedDonutGloryHole 15d ago
Shit like this really makes me consider volunteering as a clinic escort. I can't imagine how horrible that is to go through alone and I'm sorry you've had to deal with it.
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u/cum_in_me 15d ago
That's the most backward shit to me. They protest outside ANY WOMEN'S HEALTH CLINIC not just ones that actually do abortions. I've even seen them at WIC once. Because their brains are like little peanuts rattling around in there.
So they're just stopping women getting prenatal care and medical care. They're not even protesting abortion.... JUST protesting medical care for women.
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u/cold_lo_mein215 15d ago
That is my biggest gripe with planned parenthood protestors. Seems they fail to realize PLANNED PARENTHOOD DOES MORE THAN JUST ABORTIONS.
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u/santagoo 15d ago
What you don't realize is that they're against more than just abortion. Anything that promotes sexual health or sex positivity is of the devil, to them.
Sex is just for married people and JUST for making children in their small world.
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u/Rainboq 15d ago
It's about punishing women for being in control of their bodies and having sex. Abortions are just easier to yell about than contraceptives.
And even then, Evangelicals didn't care about abortion issues when Roe happened. They only started talking about it when the Feds came for their segregated private schools, and they knew being pro-segregation wouldn't get them very far politically
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u/Tiny10H2 15d ago
The worst part is, these people are also against contraceptives but at the same time, they don’t want to support the poor in society. It’s like they want to see more people suffer in society to feel better about themselves.
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u/bro69 15d ago edited 15d ago
My wife and I had to terminate for medical reasons, TFMR, a term I wish I knew never existed. It was a wanted child that was not well and had an unsurvivable condition, and my wife would only be risking her own health continuing to term. I’ll never forget the experience and how much worse protestors made it.
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u/slugsliveinmymouth 15d ago
I’m sorry to hear that. I could only imagine going through that let alone going through that and being harassed on the way out.
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u/bro69 15d ago
Luckily there is a back entrance and they aren’t allowed on it, but they get as close to the door as legally allowed and yell the entire time. They also play baby screams on the loud speaker. It’s horrible. I want to drive by and egg them sometime, ha.
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u/Kabouki 15d ago
I don't get how that's legal too. Protesting a organization is one thing, but targeted yelling and harassing of individuals wouldn't be accepted anywhere else.
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u/crayphor 15d ago
My girlfriend (who is new to the US) when to a planned Parenthood to get an IUD inserted. She called me laughing about the "crazy white people" telling her they would adopt her baby. They continued even after she told them she wasn't pregnant.
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u/badnewsbets 15d ago
They yelled at my dad who walked me in saying “grandpa why would you let her murder your grandchild????”
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u/ChiefJabroni94 15d ago
idk why this made me think of the scene from Holes. "grandpa I don't want to abort this baby anymore.." "well thats just too damn bad!"
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u/Are-Sole 15d ago
Those crazy religious nut jobs are the same people saying god will protect them from Covid, but they still get taken to the hospital when they catch it, if it's god's will they should just stay home and expire.
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u/lafigatatia 15d ago
Their God has sent them a fucking vaccine to make them immune yet they don't want to get it.
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u/wjglenn 15d ago
Back in college I used to be a volunteer that escorted women into the clinics past all that shit. The whole idea was to terrorize those poor women, get their heart rates and blood pressure up so they wouldn’t be able to get the procedure. Our job was essentially to to escort them in, keep them focused on us, and try to keep things as calm as possible.
Just despicable people.
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u/Albatrossosaurus 15d ago
Some people are just wayyy to passionate about unborn fetuses. Aren’t there like 50000 kids in foster care or something?
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u/djehutythecutie 15d ago
They only care about babies when they're attached to the mothers. It's more about controlling what women can do for many of them rather than it being about the fetus. People have gotten very angry with me for saying this but in my experience these exact same people are vehemently against social safety nets that would help families with small children so they can go fuck themselves.
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u/Bladelink 15d ago
They're also against birth control, which is the real tell. It's not about reducing the number of abortions, it's about the punishing of women for sex.
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u/FishUK_Harp 15d ago
If they really wanted to actually reduce the number of abortions, they'd spend their time funding or delivery good quality sex education to teenagers and throwing condoms and contraceptive pills at anyone and everyone by the ton.
But noooooo, they're not doing that, are they? As that's not what they really want.
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u/isuckatpiano 15d ago
There are 400,000 children currently in foster care in the US alone.
Side note there are 380,000 churches in the US. All they have to do is adopt one child per church with the mega churches adopting 2-3 and this problem is solved. Hmm I wonder why they don’t do that…
Ps I do not wish religion forced on any child, I was merely pointing out that the church has a solution but chooses hatred and violence instead.
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u/BissoumaTequila 15d ago
There’s a private clinic in the UK near where I live that my friend wanted to go to for fertility treatment. The clinic also offered abortion services so naturally she was called every name under the sun.
One guy actually grabbed her so I pinned him down told him she was receiving fertility treatment to have a fucking family of her own and they all shut up and packed pretty sharpish. They were back two weeks later when she was going for treatment so me and my friends boyfriend accompanied her. The ending to that scenario was 1000x worse.
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u/JustABizzle 15d ago
I’m dying to know the 1000x worse part. (But I get it if you don’t wanna tell)
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u/BissoumaTequila 15d ago
Same thing happened except the boyfriend pinned the guy up on the wall and threatened to wire his mouth shut while explaining what’s happening. I laughed when he said “we are literally doing the fucking opposite”. The protesters weren’t having any of it and tried to pull him off, big mistake he’s 6’4’’ and built like a brick shithouse and toppled all of them in a single push.
Then, one of the protesters broke in and accused everyone of being murderers proceeding to throw fake blood at everyone. My friends bf was soaked and he’s in the army suffering from PTSD - he was gone and knocked the guy out cold.
He then proceeded to slash the tyres of the van the protesters were using and made sure all of them got a share of the fake blood too.
Meanwhile, my friend was receiving the treatment and was completely blindsided when she came out of the office to find it caked in fake blood and her boyfriend wanting to throttle everyone.
He went AWOL but found him down the road head locking the main protester who thought it was a good idea to call him a “murdering nonce”. Again, knocked out cold.
He got a suspended sentence given the actions which caused his PTSD trigger and was ordered to seek help which he was already getting.
The protester was sentenced for 6-months after breaking his suspended sentence from a previous charge.
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u/cum_in_me 15d ago
I wonder if there is some kind of general legal fund for "I got in trouble for hitting Nazis" - I would certainly donate
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u/Wolfdreama 15d ago
Wait they protest outside UK clinics too??! For some reason I thought we were past that shit here.
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u/bluepushkin 15d ago
They used to protest in the highstreet where I lived. They had huge boards with bloody chunks of meat and babies covered in blood on them whilst they screamed at people. Terrifying children left and right ironically 🙄🙄🙄
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u/JustABizzle 15d ago
I was just a kid when my folks had a booth at the state fair. I can’t remember what the booth was for, but right across was a huge -bigger than me- poster of a bunch of fetuses in a garbage can. (As an adult, I realize it was an anti-abortion booth)
I stared at that damn poster day after day for a week. I had no idea what I was looking at. I remember thinking “who took a big ass picture of a bunch of fucked up dirty baby dolls that got tossed out? Looks like a dog buried them in the backyard and they all melted in the sun.”
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u/monkeysinmypocket 15d ago
Yeah, but councils have the power to get them banned from a certain distance outside the building effectively putting a stop to it. This happened to one near where I live. Everyone was thrilled because the clinic was located in a residential are and these people where basically ruining the neighbourhood for anyone who lived there.
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u/theworstfuckingyear 15d ago
Because people who shit on PP have no idea what it actually does.
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u/Door90 15d ago
Jfc, im tearing up just hearing that. I hope your girlfriend can forget those fuckwits and not give them an ounce of mind.
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u/Glass_Status_5837 15d ago
I was one of those women, getting screamed at and called a "baby killer" outside of a women's health clinic. Complete with photos of bloody fetuses and women screaming that they would give me a free ultrasound, baby clothes..whatever.
I was there for an STD test because I found out that my husband had been sleeping around with both women AND men and my regular doctor couldn't get me in for 5 weeks and since he drained our joint checking the second I confronted him, I didn't have $200 for urgent care.
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u/AdvocacyPhila 15d ago
I got screamed at too because I was going for a pregnancy test for a baby I wanted and kept. The only OBGYN in my town required a professionally confirmed test before you could make an appointment in my tiny backwards town. Planned Parenthood provides quality health care. They were the only place I could go.
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u/beurre_pamplemousse 15d ago
screaming that they would give me a free ultrasound, baby clothes..whatever.
I bet none of them offered to take care of the baby. I mean, they want it to live so much, how come they don't offer to raise it instead of imposing the burden on someone who is not ready/not able/or just doesn't want it.
They should be taking care of foster children with no families instead of forcing unwanting people to bear child.
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u/Shaysdays 15d ago
My obgyn for a while WAS the local Planned Parenthood- I’ve been called all kinds of names and almost spit on (they missed) so like- even if I wanted to give up a baby, it wouldn’t be to those assholes.
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u/averyminya 15d ago
Oh man lmao there was a show that suggested this but I can't remember what it was
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u/Lucafoxxer 15d ago
That’s the thing. These people aren’t pro-life. They’re pro-birth. Everything after that? Doesn’t matter.
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u/thundercod5 15d ago
Agreed, The pro-birth people are usually the same people who complain about free loaders riding the system. I think it is very sad that they can't see the connection.
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u/Googleclimber 15d ago
This seems like it should be an on r/illegallifeprotips or something.
Low on money? Go find a protest outside an abortion clinic and when the women start screaming about free ultra sounds and buying the baby clothes, simply state that for $500 you will walk away and keep the baby you are there to “abort” and never look back.
All the while there is no baby. Just a wanton desire to drain these people for all they are worth.
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u/BringMeAHigherLunch 15d ago edited 15d ago
I feel like a lot of people in this thread are confusing protesting for harassment. These folks usually aren’t just holding up signs and peacefully protesting kumbaya. They’re usually yelling at women, getting in their personal space, and in some instances threatening violence. That’s why this group specifically is being banned from protesting in front of clinics, not because protesting in general is illegal or infringed upon. They’re typically confrontational and harassing, and that’s a public danger.
These women should be free to enter a clinic without the threat of bodily harm or verbal harassment. Imagine if every time you had to pick up a prescription someone was yelling in your face and trying to body you away from the door. Yeah, you’d get sick of that shit real quick.
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u/LeCuntyChiot 15d ago
A lot of women don't have to imagine. That's exactly what happens when they go to pick up a prescription.
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u/chuk2015 15d ago
The one near my old place of work had an old Asian lady protesting as far as I could tell 24/7
She wore a big board over her torso with pictures of aborted foetuses etc intended to shock. The problem was that it was in a restaurant district and her board looked like a menu with pictures of the dishes.
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u/Such_sights 15d ago
I used to live across the street from a small nonprofit that helped human trafficking survivors, and they had a vaguely woman’s health ish name. I saw anti-abortion protestors outside only once; I imagine they realized pretty quickly that they hadn’t done enough research on the building they were pissed at.
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u/lumberbeard75 15d ago
The one in Austin that I’ve been to has a very long driveway and has walls. Using the property and self defense laws to their benefit. No trespassing patients only. And they have an armed guard. There have been a couple of protesters by the access road to the highway but that’s as close as they can get and it’s not very close. Once it gets hot enough they don’t protest.
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u/CoffeeFlavoredSweat 15d ago
I always thought this was a good idea. Also putting the clinic on the 18th floor of a very high traffic office building.
Protesters outside wouldn’t know if the people walking in were there for an appointment, or just going to work.
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u/earlytuesdaymorning 15d ago
i went to a clinic once that was on the 6th floor of a medical office building and protesters are not allowed inside but there was still just one lone woman protesting outside the entire building. exactly as you said, though, she didnt know who was going to what medical suite so she just stood there with a sign lol much better than the screaming lunatics at other places
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u/Dr-P-Ossoff 15d ago
In my neighborhood there are few because there is a donation system where citizens donate to the clinic according to how many protestors are outside, pledge a protester.
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u/earlytuesdaymorning 15d ago
nice, their presence is directly funding the place they’re protesting. i love that lol
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u/mmanaolana 15d ago
These people don't care if someone is going into Planned Parenthood for an abortion or to get a cancer screening, they treat them all the same. Why would they care if someone is going for an appointment, or going to work?
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u/Arod3235 15d ago
The planed Parenthood here in Waco has a huge privacy fence with a gate you can only enter if you have an appointment or work there. Fucking protestors there just about every weekend or so. It's always the people you expect to be protesting too.
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u/EmergencyHologram 15d ago
Waco has a long memory of large properties with fences. Janet Reno will not hesitate to burn a motherfucker
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u/Dakrys 15d ago
It's so disgusting to me that a place like that literally needs an armed guard.
But also almost funny in a surreal way.
"You can't kill that baby if I kill you first!"
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u/Max_1995 15d ago
Bombings and shootings at abortion clinics have their own Wikipedia article
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u/trowzerss 15d ago
Yep, in Australian we had a guy rock up and murder a guard, attempt to murder other people, but was stopped by the husbands of two women who were there for health checkups for the pregnancies for the babies they were very much keeping (because places that offer abortions usually offer a whole lot of other reproductive health services). So yeah, this caring guy murdered a guy in front of a row of heavily pregnant women and put them through a lot of damaging stress.
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u/ThatITguy2015 15d ago
They aren’t even dedicated enough to protest in -20 weather in the Midwest. That’s the good thing about here I guess, it keeps the morons at bay for most of the year.
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u/suvankha 15d ago
I took my friend to the one in my hometown, and it was awful. So many protestors, and she was already a wreck. We were both searched by two guards, all of my belongings locked away, and the waiting area was a totally different building than where the actual procedure was. My friend had to be escorted by two armed guards to the procedure building while I waited for her. I felt so bad, she was already so scared. I understand though because in my state a doctor was murdered by some “Christian” nut job for performing abortions
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u/dikembemutombo21 15d ago
I live by one that is located at a 4 ways stop. Tons of protestors every weekend. Huge signs with disgusting pictures and they “cross” the road super slowly in front of every car so you have to see their sign. They also film women going in there and scream some of the most horrible things I’ve ever heard at them. But… you know… muh freedoms
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u/Wellhowboutdat 15d ago
This is what infuriates me. This isnt free speech. This is a malicious attack on other's rights. If I stood outside a school and screamed shit like kids are a pestulence on society and that they should be put to death, that shit would be shutdown real quick. Yet these no- life cunts can call these women murderers and whores and all sorts of vile shit without consequence?
How bout we let folks regulate their own health and keep our fucking nose outta people's business.
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u/funtime_falling 15d ago
If they actually cared about children, they'd be protesting against all the pedo priests
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u/realcevapipapi 15d ago
There's protests at one 5 mins down the road from my house. They're the total opposite, they just stand across the street with signs and don't harass anybody. I disagree with their protest but atleast they aren't getting in peoples face and verbally abusing them.
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u/Justforthrow 15d ago
There's protests at one 5 mins down the road from my house. They're the total opposite, they just stand across the street with signs and don't harass anybody.
All it takes is a ring leader. I see the same group of people peacefully protesting in my area for months. Then one day, I see an unfamiliar face yelling through a megaphone across the street and all the usual protestors are doing the same.
Now I make it a habit to call in for "Disturbance of peace" whenever I'm driving by to get grocery.
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u/Mralfredmullaney 15d ago
Id hardier call what they do protesting either, it’s straight up harassment and intimidation, often becoming violent.
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u/stickkim 15d ago
Legally, they have to stay off the property or the women’s health clinic can call the police and have them arrested for trespassing. It doesn’t stop them from screaming at anyone who dares go in for a regular Pap smear.
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u/chitownbulls92 15d ago
I bet there is a sizeable overlap between the pro-life and anti-vaccinations crowd. I speak anecdotally of course
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u/PoopIsAlwaysSunny 15d ago
They’re not pro-life. They’re anti-abortion. They’re not protesting wars or the climate crisis or fast food. They don’t care what happens to babies when they’re born.
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u/Devseanker 15d ago
It's definitely not accurate to call them "anti-abortion". They also scream and shout about anything that lowers abortion rates like sex education and contraceptives. They are anti-choice at every level.
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u/jayydubbya 15d ago
They are anti-sex. They believe sex should only be between husband and wife for the purpose of procreation and anything outside of that is sinful and should be punished.
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u/DankensteinsMemester 15d ago
They're sexist, plain and simple. They see women as breeders. Yes, even the women that hold these views.
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u/manberry_sauce 15d ago
abortion clinic
IDK why people who support the right to choose accept this as a valid term. Does it say "abortion clinic" anywhere on the building? Does any women's health clinic have those words anywhere? "Abortion clinic" makes it sound like "The Abortion Factory: all abortions, all the time".
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u/mumpie 15d ago
I don't know about Australia, but in the USA the right tends to be better at generating click-baity phrases which draws an emotional response. The outrage shuts down people's critical thinking and provokes anger. Calling a health clinic an abortion clinic falls into that plan.
Some other examples:
- Inheritance taxes are called "death taxes" instead in right-wing media.
- Government insurance is now submitting yourself to a "government death panel"
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u/someguy3 15d ago
"government death panel"
I wonder if the vaccine campaigns are called government life panels.
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u/scex 15d ago
Inheritance taxes are called "death taxes" instead in right-wing media.
The current Federal (conservative) government, won the last election in Australia, largely due to death tax propaganda disseminated on Facebook and Murdoch media. And it wasn't even based on any policy from the opposing party, just flat out made up lies. So not just an issue in the US.
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u/sevendeadlysausages 15d ago
I want to point out that Western Australia is the last to make this change in Australia. Every other state has had 150 meter 'safe zones' around places that perform abortions since as early as 2014. So, so glad that they've finally jumped on board, but they are literally the last to do so
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u/Lolx0rz 15d ago
Better late than never.
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u/PillowTalk420 15d ago
That's a terrible slogan for an abortion clinic.
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u/brownyR31 15d ago
Better than "enter from rear"
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u/tsuolakussa 15d ago
I don't, and never have worked for an abortion clinic. But I have a really bad(?) Habit of answering phone calls with, "Jordan's Abortion Barn, where no fetus can beat us. Because you breed 'em, and we yeet 'em. Go ahead and ask us about our special on twins."
My mother has stopped calling, and only texts me these days.
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u/commandrix 15d ago
Not that long ago, I saw a story of one lady who was going in to get a prescription for something unrelated to abortion and some protestor grabbed her wrist and said, "Please don't kill your baby."
The lady's response? "I'm not preg- Wait, are you calling me fat?" And the lady went on a long and loud tirade about fat-shaming until the protestor ran off.
I LOL'd.
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u/ill_tempered_orific3 15d ago
Okay, new plan. Just have random women walk in with this part of a script prepared.
Or, "I'm not pregnant. When are you due?"
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 15d ago
Yeah, people really didn't need to be yelling "baby killer" at my sister who was getting a cyst checked at Planned Parenthood in the USA.
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u/TheAJGman 15d ago
Welcome to the religious right, where they truly believe that Planned Parenthood is an abortion factory/baby mutilation clinic.
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u/mootpunt 15d ago
Remember that Jesus loves you. And we’ll prove it by being huge abusive cunts to you in public
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u/manberry_sauce 15d ago
abortion clinics
Isn't the term "abortion clinic" itself a loaded term? These are women's health clinics. Abortions aren't the sole purpose of these centers.
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u/JDHannan 15d ago
My wife had a miscarriage and had to go in for a D&C - that experience was already traumatic enough for both of us. I might have had a very hard time dealing with some lunatic screaming at my wife for something that we would have given anything to not have to deal with.
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u/LebowskiLebowskiLebo 15d ago
I also went through this, twice. If there were protesters I don’t know how I’d control myself.
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u/iGoalie 15d ago
I’m sorry for your loss, I assure you I could not have contained myself in that instance. I’m not a violent man, but i think I could make an exception in that case!
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u/CoolStoryBro_Fairy 15d ago
Yeah that's exactly what i was thinking. I don't condone violence but there would have been a lot of Religious people with broken noses that day
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u/SVXfiles 15d ago
I would have screamed back that the pregnancy was wanted and expected and that they were protesting the loss of it at that point. Really dig it I to their skulls that people go there for other stuff primarily.
Make them feel like absolute shit for a short minute before their attention span, already like that of a toddler, kick them back into being pieces of shit
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u/gorgossia 15d ago
Yep, I escort for one and we have a protestor who bellows at women about how they're already a mother and to look at their ultrasound, and one patient poked her head back out at him like "I'm not pregnant!" and he kept yelling anyway.
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u/mmanaolana 15d ago
Thank you so much for helping with the escorting, you're doing a wonderful thing. I hope your day is going good!
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u/elephantphallus 15d ago
That's true. But at the same time, it doesn't matter.
America made "planned parenthood", a seemingly innocuous concept, a hot button phrase. It didn't matter that they provide access to mammograms, cervical cancer screenings, STD screenings, hormone therapy, HPV vaccines, and a mountain of resources for women's health. Because they also provide confidential care to the LGBT community and do abortions, they're labeled pure evil.
No matter what you call it, politicians and think tanks will find a way to weaponize it for political points without a single consideration of the lives that women's health clinics improve.
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u/MadamJones 15d ago edited 15d ago
In Australia we have private clinics that exclusively provide abortion and IUD insertion (but 90% of the business is abortion). This is because, while abortion is legal and the govt technically does provide it, they basically don’t have any doctors trained in the procedure and the wait list to get in through the public system will take too long. So abortion clinics in this context is actually the correct terminology.
Source: Worked for Marie Stopes Australia for 2 years. They’re the national private abortion provider in Australia. You can look up their website.
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u/Starfightr 15d ago
Yeah calling it an "abortion clinic" is like calling a hospital a "circumcision room". It does way more than just the one thing lol
(My comparison might be flawed, but hey)
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u/Vickrin 15d ago
Organ harvesting centre.
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u/Deyona 15d ago
I go to the organ harvesting center all the time. They drain my blood!
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u/scullington6 15d ago
The most horrendous time of my life was when my girlfriend and I went to Westmead hospital to get an abortion. We both knew we weren't ready for kids and we weren't financially stable to bring a child up. one of the toughest decisions of our lives at the time. We got there and we're met by 50 to 60 angry people holding signs and throwing things at girlfriend and I as we walked into the centre. After the entire ordeal, we left and they followed us to our car whilst throwing empty water bottles and cans at us. When we got home we both broke down in tears not only from just the operation itself, but the way these people were just so horrible to us.
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u/PDXdeej 15d ago
They don’t protest as much as harass people, most of them aren’t even getting abortions.
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u/shamwowwow 15d ago
Exactly. What they are doing is assaulting women under the guise of free speech.
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u/MoreGull 15d ago
I had to take one of my sisters to get an abortion, because she asked for my help. I arranged and paid for everything.
The day of I drive us to the PP and park and this nice looking old lady is almost immediately outside of my truck, waiting for us. At first she is really nice and I think she is there to help us, but soon enough she let's the mask drop and calls my sister a whore and abomination and I step in between them and say "ENOUGH" and move us on. But I think back to how nice this lady seemed, at first. She totally fooled me.
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u/superfrobatcat 15d ago
I had to take one of my sisters to get an abortion, because she asked for my help. I arranged and paid for everything.
you are an awesome sibling
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u/sith10rd94 15d ago
My grandpa has always told me “the times we are most happy is when we all mind our fucking business.”
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u/WebNChill 15d ago
Yeah. That's what my grandpa said too. He always said, what's wrong with the world is people don't mind their own fucking business. Made comments he might not like certain things, but that's their business and I mind my own.
So many times I used to ask what my siblings are doing, and he'd sit me down and tell me to mind my own business. That's their business, not yours.
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u/randomscruffyaussie 15d ago
Abortion is a matter between a woman and her health care provider(s).
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u/Checkmynewsong 15d ago
It’s never a protest but rather an attempt to bully and intimidate women from seeking medical care.
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u/LegallyBlindBandit 15d ago
This was the most traumatic part of getting an abortion for me. The protesters surrounded our car so that we couldn't move and were screaming "JUST LET US TALK TO HER" at my boyfriend. The cop assigned to watch the protesters had to break them up so that we could leave the clinic. This was in Indiana though.
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u/mrcaptncrunch 15d ago
This was in Indiana though
As someone living in Indiana, this made it worse. This fucking place!
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u/SuperStuff01 15d ago
Weird I wonder why a group of "totally not sexist, just anti-abortion" people would default to asking for the guy's permission to speak with his girlfriend.
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u/pwussyconnoisseur 15d ago
I live in Boston. The main Boston branch of planned Parenthood is basically built like a bunker. You have to go through 3 security checkpoints just to get into the waiting room. It's really sad how many precautions we have to take just to have access to reproductive and sexual healthcare.
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u/cock_babtridge 14d ago
Oh no, i can’t scream at the door to an abortion clinic… how will i assert my dominance over women’s bodily autonomy now?! Guess i’m going to have to go back to incelling around on Reddit. /s
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u/ecritique 15d ago
Liberal MPs Nick Goiran and Neil Thomson, and Nationals MP James Hayward, opposed the bill on the second reading late on Tuesday.
Mr Goiran told the chamber he had visited the Midland clinic and saw no evidence of heckling or harassing.
what a stupid take. "I didn't see it so it can't be happening."
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u/greshark 15d ago
Honestly I think that too many people have an obsession with freedom to and not enough with freedom from. While a law like this does remove some degree of freedom to (you can still protest it elsewhere), it also gives the people using these services freedom from harassment and shaming.
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u/truthseeeker 15d ago
We passed a law in Massachusetts keeping protesters a certain distance away from abortion clinics after a madman shot up two in one day in the 90's, but the Supreme Court overturned it.
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u/ObiShaun66 15d ago
Australia sounds better everyday. Minus the entire ecosystem is out to kill you.
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u/yoncenator 15d ago
That feeling when you realize nearly every modern country does governing WAY better than the US does.
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u/CaravelClerihew 15d ago
Just for context, Western Australia is the last state/territory to make it illegal. So, it's now illegal throughout Australia to protest outside abortion clinics, not just in WA.