I could see an expensive dementia facility setting up something where they tell him every day that yes, he's still the President. They give him fake papers and a sharpie to sign them each day, to keep him entertained, and play recorded videos of his supporters from 2020. They serve him cheeseburgers on gold platters every night.
That is actually what happened with Trump's father: he refused to stop going to work, so his assistant would give him blank papers to sign.
When the president’s father, Fred, developed Alzheimer’s, the family reportedly conspired to help him believe that he still ran the Trump organization. According to Vanity Fair, the elder Mr. Trump would show up for work every day, signing blank papers and using an office phone connected only to his secretary’s line. “Fred pretended to work,” a family friend told the magazine.
How could someone trying to provide good PR for the president by staging photos of him "working" in different locations within minutes of each other not know to strip the Exif data from pictures? That's amateur stuff.
I know this one! It’s because they prioritize hiring candidates based on how closely related they are to trumps family, and not how qualified a candidate is
i’ll never forget when him and a bunch of other world leaders were signing documents, and everyone knew that trump signed the wrong thing, and didn’t tell him. instead they just stood there and cackled. justin trudeau was like “get a load of this idiot” greatest fucking thing ever.
Yeah, I’m sure he was a horrible man but Alzheimer’s often includes sundowning, which involves the person being … worse. So placating him with things to sign and a secretary who I hope to god was well compensated for the verbal abuse she no doubt endured is mostly sad, to me. I can’t consider it karma because the man didn’t remember it or learn, it just negatively impacts the people around him.
Source: occasionally had to play the equivalent of that secretary for my grandma, saying nice empty statements to keep her busy. She would get incandescently angry anyway.
That’s actually really sad though. I know nothing about Donald’s father, but regardless of the quality of his character, I think that’s a sad way to live out the remainder of one’s days.
Ignoring that fact that he was as much a piece of shit as his son this is actually exemplary Dementia care. Allowing the patient to have a sense of normality and independence is important. My great aunt, who had six kids, recently died of Alzheimer’s. Her delusions usually were that she needed to take care of her babies. When her kids learned her nurses were giving her bundles of blankets they actually bought her a doll and bottles so she could take care of a baby. It made her a lot less distressed because in her mind things were correct.
Are you sure they did that to keep him occupied? Or that maybe he always pretended to work it's been such a normal everyday thing for him and he kept it up
My wife had a resident who believed he was still running his company so they gave him a desk, a stack of blank papers to sign, and listened to him complain that no one else was working.
I work in a nursing home as well and sometimes this is the best medicine lol. Once worked somewhere that had a retired postman who thought he was still working. We let him deliver the resident mail every day and it made him pretty damn happy (with staff following and helping of course)
This one is awesome because he's actually doing something. The fake business desk above made me sad cause the guy is confused about other people not working.
Co-worker had a patient that loved to tip staff. He had dementia and a relative brought in some coins he had collected over the years that were not too valuable. He started tipping housekeeping, the dietary aides and even some of the doctors. Everyone at first gave the nursing staff back all the coins. They took them away from him at first but then they just let him have the coins back so he could tip people every day and the coins would be counted every night then put back on his dresser so the process could go on. The guy loved it.
I love stories like this. There's no sense fighting with someone who has entered their own reality, just let them spend their final days happy and doing what they love.
God yes. I am a nurse. I hate when they tell us to tell Alzheimer's/dementia pt's about "reality". Like what fucking good does that do??
I had one old lady who would get soooo mad when we served her dinner, yelling that we were whores and she heard us fucking her husband. Then she would throw the tray. No one else wanted to feed her and wanted her on a liquid diet.
I thought she was the highlight of my boring- ass clinicals, so i volunteered to feed her every meal. When she would start her spiel about me fucking her husband, id just say like "Milly,now u know i wouldnt do that. You are thinking of that skank Amelia down the street, remember? Im your friend. But if you sit down and eat a bite with me, ill tell you some gossip about that slut Amelia."
So she would sit quietly and we would talk about how Amelia was fucking half the town. It kept her quiet and interested, and her mind off her own husband (who must have been a philandering asshole). Some of the older nurses tried to say i was confusing her, but the head nurse was like "She doesnt know what year it is, if some made-up gossip keeps her happy then shut up."
What do u think you know about my education? Is this bc i posted on the CNA sub? You do realize healthcare workers very often have many certs, and often nurses start as CNAs?
So yes, i have a CNA. As well as an MA,phleb, med tech, and psych tech certs (most of them earned thru work programs- i.e. your facility conducts training programs so you can sit for the cert exams). I ALSO am enrolled in a "dual path" sort of accelerated nursing program, wherein the first 18ms-2yrs are for your ADN which I HAVE COMPLETED, which then segues into a further 2-3 yrs for your BSN. You CAN sit the NCLEX with an ADN, as far as i know, but i dont plan to till post BSN. But an Assoc of Nursing is a nursing degree, thanks. Post BSN,i intend to go on to go on to become a PA or NP,not sure.
In addition, i completed 3 years of premed courses- psych and BCMB (BioChem and Cellular Molecular Biology degree abbreviation) double major- from 2007-2010 before withdrawing with only 1 yr to go due to financial constraints.
You can read about any of this shit thru various posts in my profile, but if you have any more "concerns" about my "education", please lmk and ill try to clear it up for u.
Back when I worked ICU, we had a lady with pleasant dementia. She kept trying to get out of bed and wander off so we gave her a stack of linen to "help" fold. Worked wonders.
They did that with Reagan when he had dimentia, except Reagan was still president. He thought he was acting as a president and they presented the briefings as a script.
Edit: could not find the source for that claim. Could have been possibly from a tabloid thing that has since been redacted.
I used to work for a company that build wander-monitoring systems to keep residents from leaving the facility without an escort. A salesperson told me that one facility declined our product. They solved their issue by just putting a fake bus stop right outside the door. Everyone that walked out the door would sit down and wait for the bus. Every now and then the staff would check the "bus stop" and tell everyone that "the bus was delayed, come inside for tea" and the problem was solved.
I volunteered in a nursing home and one of the patients had dementia, but she was convinced that we both worked at the nursing home together. She was always offering to cover my shifts and trash talking the other employees.
My mothers close friend worked as a nurse in a nursing home decades ago where one of the residents who come out of her room every day in a tizzy telling the staff she “needed help getting ready for her audition for x director in an hour!”
The staff would help her put on her makeup and pick out some “audition clothes” then walk her to her “audition” in the dining hall. Rinse and repeat every day. It was like she was reliving with joy her younger years as a actress.
Or have a literal fake news channel report on the amazing things he did every day so he can watch it and eat hamberders.
"Oh boy, I'm on TV, and I did such a good job today, I built a wall and shot the China virus and solved all the math, so much math, smarter than other numbers."
"This just in: Supreme President Trump fired a gold-plated Nerf rifle at a box of Kleenex, effectively ending the Coronavirus. In other news, Supreme President Trump worked tirelessly over the past hour and a half, White House sources suggest, to construct a six inch tall barrier out of Lincoln Logs to repel the Saudis from the north side of the Oval Office desk. Since that historical moment, no Saudis have sat on that side of the desk, meaning that yet again, our wise and benevolent leader was correct. And in lighter news, today our beloved President was able to figure out how much to pay for three cheeseburgers, dealing with the complicated arithmetic like a good boy. Who's a good boy? You are!"
Apologies! I did not know that, that's awesome! That's just exactly the sort of thing I would expect, he derives his self-image based on how TV portrays him.
And build them a home, a little place of their own.
The Fletcher Memorial
Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings.
And they can appear to themselves every day
On closed circuit T.V.
To make sure they're still real.
It's the only connection they feel.
"Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, Reagan and Haig,
Mr. Begin and friend, Mrs. Thatcher, and Paisly,
"Hello Maggie!"
Mr. Brezhnev and party.
"Scusi dov'è il bar?"
The ghost of McCarthy,
The memories of Nixon.
"Who's the bald chap?"
"Good-bye!"
And now, adding colour, a group of anonymous latin-
American meat packing glitterati.
Did they expect us to treat them with any respect?
They can polish their medals and sharpen their
Smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for awhile.
Boom boom, bang bang, lie down you're dead.
Safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
With their favorite toys
They'll be good girls and boys
In the Fletcher Memorial Home for colonial
Wasters of life and limb.
Is everyone in?
Are you having a nice time?
Now the final solution can be applied.
None needed, but if you're into that type of music at all you should definitely give the song a listen. It's not a popular song or album, but still I consider them both among my favorites.
That's sad. Poor guy. Good on you guys for trying to make him feel at ease and comfortable while it lasted.
After my grandmother died my grandfather condition, who's mind was already deteriorating, rapidly got worse. At one point we couldn't communicate with him anymore. He would just stare and cry a lot. It was really unbearable to see.
He was an artist for most of his career, making paintings in his own time, and making a regular income by designing patterns and other decoration for cigar bands. When he was really far gone the only thing that made him seem at ease was when he had a pencil in his hand and a piece of paper in front of him. What he drew was basically random crap, but at least he wasn't crying or looking lost when he was drawing.
Well, considering the majority of Alzheimer's patients start to show symptoms in their mid-late 60s - and given average ages in US politics..... yeah, that may not be far from the truth.
Late stage alzheimers has you basically barely able to move or talk. Mid-stage isn't much better - by then you're likely having difficulty controlling your bowels.
But it's worth noting that Alzheimers' is a slow-progressing, terrible disease. You can spend many years broadly able to look after yourself but sufficiently confused that you probably shouldn't be trusted with any decision more complicated than what you're going to have for lunch.
Technically, you're still in relatively early stages then. But you should probably have someone keeping an eye on you because you're only a step away from completely forgetting that you need to leave the grill door open and setting fire to the kitchen.
“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”
He can't string a single sentence together. The disorganised thoughts and inability to maintain topics reminds me of the older people I work with in the hospital where I work who are showing early signs of dementia with CT brain scans showing "involutional changes in keeping with a dementia picture" as the CT technicians put it in their reports.
To be fair, I don’t think many people can string a sentence that long together. Certainly could make it a more coherent statement, but one long sentence with its own call backs?
Oh hue hue hue you got him! That sleepy joe! Really, you conservatives are still trying the biden dementia angle? You think people actually believe 10 second clips of a stutter compared to this??? “Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”
He was kidding bro ;) regardless none of those comments are comparable to the utter idiotic statements of trump like "maybe there's some way to inject bleach"
I'm not a conservative neither a Trump fan. He also said a lot of shit, it's just that at least he could speak fluently.
I love it when you donkey-brained cowards can't even admit your political leanings while regurgitating your right supremacist talking points.
You know that Biden has had a stutter since childhood right? It's not dementia, and even if it's stuttered, at least what he says makes sense, unlike literally 90% of the bullshit Trump spouts.
Keep being controlled by the media bro.
What a totally normal thing for someone who definitely isn't a conservative, or a Trump fan, to say!
Oh man, this one quote again. Seems to be the go-to people use for "dementia" even though they really have no other source. If THIS is your bar, Biden clears it non-stop.
He can't string a single sentence together.
You sure? I saw him speak for an hour in person, he seemed to do pretty fine
So your whole of the evidence is one sentence (seems to be the only sentence anyone ever uses to make this argument) and then a wildly different set of circumstances where you have casually observed older people you work with in the hospital? Boy is that poor diagnostic criteria
He acts like my grandmother did at the end of her life and she had dementia. She was constantly fabricating conspiracies where the people around her are out to get her. My grandmother would rant to anyone who would listen about how her children stole her money and sold her “3 floor country mansion” without her permission. It’s not a mansion, it’s a 2 floor 3 bedroom country house with an exposed basement on one side, and we still own it even though she’s been dead for 3 years. She was put in the memory care facility because she would forget to take her medications and was eating spoiled food because she forgot how old it was.
Yeah so she had dementia. None of that is what's been observed in Trump short of you claiming he's "fabricating conspiracies". It's fine to think he's an asshole, but don't play doctor, particularly when you're talking to someone who does it for a living.
That's fine, you can think what you want. You'll just be wrong. I do neuropsychological testing for a living, so I'm pretty confident I have significantly more expertise
I’m pretty sure there was an expert who said that the way he leans forward and kinda just dangles when he stands is a classic sign of either Alzheimer’s or dementia, I don’t remember which.
There’s also the fact that it’s nearly impossible for him to make a speech without suddenly changing the subject to how amazing some random person is at something and then suddenly going on a disjointed and incoherent ramble about how amazing he is at something.
That's not dementia. Whatsoever. And body posturing has nothing to do with Alzheimer's, short of the hands engaging in what's called "pill-rolling" type movement and behavior. Further, an expert utilizing purely audiovisual footage not in the context of a neuropsychological exam is 1) worth zilch and 2) highly unethical. So that person should not only have their license suspended, they're not even making a diagnoses based on anything worth a fuck.
Source: me. I do neuropsychological testing aka alzheimers and dementia for a living
The sad thing is, we had the absolute perfect chance to set this shit up! So hear me out....
Jan 6th: After Trump fucks off back to the White House from his rally to incite the insurrection, Secret Service could've moved him into the bunker claiming he's In danger after his minions start ransacking the Capitol.
From there, we could've fed him with a bullshit story line that his plan worked, Pence & the Dem leadership were strung up, his coup was successful, & he was now the King of the USA.
Meanwhile, we keep him down there for a few days w/ stories of civil unrest while Biden gets inaugurated & moves into the White House.
From there, we tell Trump that full on Civil War breaks out & we move him to fuckin Cheyenne Mountain or some shit to "oversee the war effort", & just let the simulation play its way out from there, all while the cameras are rolling!
Best part is if he ended up eventually figuring it out, we could just show him his incredible ratings & he'd be so fucking happy about them, he'd probably just keep playing the part as the fake president just be the most watched tv show every day & in every time slot, haha.
You know this is exactly what his family did to his dad. They set up the office with a phone that only reached his secretary and had him sign blank pages.
Maybe I missed the /s, but y'all talking like he wasn't actually caught with blank papers to shuffle around on the Resolute Desk, leaks from the White House confirmed he watches his own rallies and shit, and the cheeseburger thing is probably actually true during the 45th administration. I don't remember what color utensils and plates the fast food buffet was served on, but it wouldn't surprise me...
You should watch any trump speech ever then. The demented narcissist can’t string a full sentence together unless it’s a three word chant, which is coincidentally the most his brain dead cultists have the mental capacity to repeat back
I could see the expense of this facility being offset by the 24/7 live feed we could all subscribe to. He’d finally get his news network!! It all worked out in the end!
This explains some of Trump’s paranoia. Having helped deceive his father, he must be living life making sure he really is the most amazing person ever to live and not just being fooled by people telling him so.
I don't think sufficient would be wrong in your previous comment. In the context it would have been completely adequate. Unless you're implying that I was wrong in predicting what you meant to say, in which case that may be true. My clairvoyancy has been lacking as of late.
“This week On Trump’s America, the president hilariously thinks that Americans want his signature on the moon. Watch as Trump advises his “moon scientists” on how to best get this accomplished. And don’t miss the hilarious results of last week’s episode, where we’ll take you live to visit the Trump presidential unicorn farm.”
SNL did a skit where Reagan thought the presidency was a TV show and he was still an actor. They would give him scripts and he would go out and perform.
Armando Ianucci, who made Veep, In the Loop, The Thick of It, and Death of Stalin, actually pitched this exact idea years ago. And he got legitimate offers from studios for him to make it, but decided not to. He said this about it in an interview:
[The Trump administration] has become its own entertainment, and a commentary on itself, so I don’t know where you go if you want to do a comedic take on it other than just pointing this out or countering it by expressing facts, which is what John Oliver does with his team of researchers, I suppose. He’s sort of doing journalism. Trump is the clown, and comedians have become investigative reporters. How can you exaggerate someone who is an exaggeration?
When he was running in 2016, Seth meyers suggested it basically. He said something along the lines of he only wants to be a TV president anyway, and the rest of us would kinda like to see what it would be like, without actually dealing with the consequences.
This was actually a conspiracy theory pushed by QAnon supporters only they claimed Joe Biden was the one living in a fake White House set all orchestrated by Trump:
But I'd ask that they blur out trump like they do copyrighted stuff or brand names that didn't pay for product placement in shows. Maybe electronically alter his voice too, no point in making me suffer.
If they made a bizzaro west wing type show, starring Trump with all the writing and creative decisions subject to Trump's approval, I'd fight thru the nausea and watch the shit out of it.
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u/the_only_way_is_UP 29d ago
This is the best idea I've seen in a long long while. I would even start watching TV again just for this show.