"I dropped out of school in the second grade, to sell drugs to support my nana"
"Then you've never experienced the epic triumphs and defeats, highs and lows of high school football"
My wife watched this scene yesterday, I kept glancing up from a book and asking what the actual fuck. It went from that to evil nuns drugging kids or something in like one episode
The first season was campy and fun. It didn't take itself too seriously. Then the showrunners tried to make it serious and edgy without first questioning whether they knew how to do that.
OMG it's so bad. And there are more of these compilations. They just keep going. I thought the "I dropped out ..." quote was some kind of exaggeration. Nope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzgJcKmoBvk
I dropped out of school in the second grade, to sell drugs
Who the fuck is buying drugs from a 7 year old? Who the fuck is trusting a 7 year old to sell their drugs? Like, you know if that was actually a thing, the first thing that would happen is that kid gets punched out and robbed.
To be fair in some neighborhoods they legitimately have young kids in the drug game. Usually not actually selling but lookouts, fetching the drugs etc. Look up the story of a kid named "Yummy". A gangster disciple from Chicago in the 90s who they had do a hit then they murdered him when they realized yeah probably not a good idea to trust the reliability of a 10 year old to commit a murder.
Alot of drug dealers does this. Kid is just doing the transfer of dope and money. Gets caught and dont rly Get a harsh punishment. While the real drug dealer goes free
Honestly, writing genre can be so freeing because you can always be toeing the line between honesty and parody. I wouldn't be surprised if they go to sleep giggling, thinking about that line too.
Veronica’s dad creating a game just to get rid of Archie lol dude’s practically loaded and could’ve just hired an assassin. Then again, going through great lengths to kill a high schooler is a bit of a stretch.
My dad and I used to watch the show together and our running joke was that absolutely anyone living in Riverdale would do better as a crime lord than Mr. Lodge. He's so dumb and ineffective, and he's been caught before. And then there's kids who are committing murder and solving crime and never getting caught. Mr. Lodge: the least dangerous character in the show
…do none of you follow politics? Once you’ve got enough money and a position of political power, it’s very difficult to remove you if you’re determined to stay where you are.
If anything, it’s been real life that felt like badly written fiction lately.
I wouldn't suggest solving real life problems with a gun, but it's pretty easy to do it as a writer. I've killed off crucial characters because they annoyed me. All you have to do is make their death significant to the survivors.
He's so useless that at one point his own teenage daughter outwits him by inventing maple syrup rum, which (a) sounds hideous, (b) is illegal for an 18 year old to sell, and (c) seriously?
The whole show is laughably silly. In the end I had to stop watching it because everyone in it is an idiot. Even Jughead, who's meant to be a genius, regularly makes incredibly stupid decisions whenever. Like... Archie, 1950s small-town wholesome comic-book character, is in fact not a confused teenager but is instead some sort of gangster-hunting badass? Okay then.
You just described my problems with Karate Kid 3. Rich guy fights elderly man and child with elaborate ruse yo avenge his still living buddy. Great Lengths to Kill Highschoolers: the movie.
voldemort failed for similar idiocy. why would you put horcruxes in personally significant places rather than burying them in the woods or tossing them in a ravine?
and he never hired a professional assassin either. he had his death eaters, but harry's homes were warded against magicals. the fool could have hired a muggle to break in or throw a molotov through the window at any time
I'm pretty sure the Fidelius charm worked on Muggles too, since even the most basic wards that let all Wizards in are basically imperceptible to Muggles.
There's also the whole 'he was a Wizard supremacist who thought all Muggles were inferior to him and hated and disrespected them'. Why in almighty fuck would the greatest Dark Wizard to ever live need the help of a MUGGLE to kill a baby? That kinda goes against his whole Thing.
you can hate and disrespect people and still make use of them. i don't know the details of harry's protection magic but muggles certainly knew where he lived and were able to enter the dursley house without his permission.
Sure, but it kinda undersells "Wizards are superior to Muggles and should be the ones on top of the heap" when you have to hire a muggle to kill a baby. Kinda makes you look like a bitch-ass punk instead of the Greatest Dark Wizard of all time.
The Dursley home was not under a Fidelius Charm, is why muggles could enter it. The protection there was that Lily's sacrifice protected Harry from Voldemort, and by the 'bond of blood' it extended to any place he could call 'home' where his mother's blood still dwells. He was protected from Voldemort there because of his aunt Petunia, not because of a Fidelius Charm.
That's because Voldemort was a raging narcissist. He believed his soul couldnt be stashed in an object or place of insignificance and he also believed killing without a wand was beneath any magic user.
Yeah, just load them up with some kind of drug and let them choke on their own vomit while they seize and the life is strangled from them by their own body. Or get them in a car crash. I knew a guy who got high and blew his jaw off with a pistol right in front of his girlfriend, mere weeks after high school graduation.
Thanks. You’re definitely right about that. I saw a video once where a security camera was aimed at the street, and a mother was walking her infant in a stroller. Everything was fine, just another day for those two. Then, in an instant, the suicide jumper who had leapt from a nearby roof landed on the stroller. The mother stood there for a moment in shock, stared at the dead jumper for a few seconds, and then glanced at her deceased child in the wreck of the stroller before walking over to it and falling to her knees. The real world is a cold, cruel place, full of every brand of despair and misery one could hope to think of. Stranger than fiction indeed.
For a mob boss, or whatever the fuck he was, absolutely. Get one of your underlings to cap Archie and be done with it. The Irishman did it for years working for the east coast mob.
My fiance, back like 15ish yrs ago, did go to a Juvie where the guards would use group punishment, use physical exercise as punishment (they made kids run til they puked), housed 17 yr old with 13 yr olds (in JUVIE- most of these are bad kids, they shouldn't be housed with someone way bigger and older than them), etc.
There was even worse one that they threatened to send the kids to, and would make good on their threats. The worse one did get shut down about 20 or so yrs ago.
ETA: fiance never went to worse one, but met kids who had been there
My fiance, back like 15ish yrs ago, did go to a Juvie where the guards would use group punishment, use physical exercise as punishment (they made kids run til they puked), housed 17 yr old with 13 yr olds (in JUVIE- most of these are bad kids, they shouldn't be housed with someone way bigger and older than them), etc.
Yeah lol except these are children ages 12-17 and they're not there by choice. Granted, most of them are bad kids. Fiance was scared being around kids stabbing other kids and he was just there for trying to leave his house grounded/after curfew and wrestling with his dad over it (no injuries to either of them, no punching or anything) at age like.. 13, 15?
Yeah I’ve been to both Juvie and prison, and juvie is sooo much worse, no bs idk if it’s cuz of lawsuits or what for regular ACI’s but Juvie is straight lawlessness it’s insane the shit that goes on
It is a highschool drama about as much as Fast and Furious series is still about cars.
If you want to look for anything realistic, you should look the other way
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There was a very long story arc about a religious cult leader, it ended with said leader coaxing his followers into a rocket but getting shot and killed before he could launch it.
Same. I stopped watching few episodes into season 5 cause shit got old. Even S4 I only really watched for the prep school story. That one was fun as hell imo.
IIRC, Veronica’s dad sold “fizzle rocks”(drugs disguised as candy) to the cult, but wasn’t directly affiliated with them. The leader’s name was Edgar Evernever
Exactly. A show isn't bad just because it doesn't fit your idea of what that show should be about. Riverdale never advertised itself to be about the typical American highschool experience. It's about a cheesy cast of American high schoolers solving murder mysteries. That's why I can't stand when people say how cheesy it is. That's literally the whole point.
Honestly every high school prime time show has been like this. Beverly Hills 90210, Dawson’s creek, Buffy, the o.c., 90210 reboot, etc etc. always with the high schoolers at night clubs or bars never getting carded, owning their own homes or businesses lol.
Buffy wasn’t too bad about this stuff. The Bronze was an all-ages club, and the kids were kinda latchkey kids. Having to work shitty jobs was a frequent plot point, as well.
For real. Buffy didn't take itself seriously and it was still good. The Scooby Gang members are not popular or sexy in the usual manner expected on TV. Buffy trying to fit in balancing her Slayer job with her personal life is absurdly relatable, lol.
Super perfectly done, though. Because it really shows exactly what we're dealing with - humans with their problems. There is no supernatural sometimes, there is no evil sometimes, there is simply...entropy. Death gets us all and you don't get to do anything about it, even if you're the prophesied hero.
i worked in a comic book shop for a while and every nerd had to tell me how great that episode was. nothing would ever compare! and since i wasn't super hype about it my co-worker made me watch it so i could learn the songs and know it better.
My wife had never seen this show so we watched it together, and because she lost her mum as a kid I was dreading her watching it.
In the end, it turns out somebody who's already lost their mum is completely stoic about TV like that, while I was practically on the floor in tears despite having seen it about three times before.
That episode is an insanely brilliant piece of television. Everyone in it completely knocks it out of the park with their performances.
Yep she's great. SMG takes it for me just for that continuous shot at the start, but Anya's role in it is so well-written. Everyone thinks she's being invasive and unpleasant, but it's just because she doesn't understand.
I never liked that scene. I always felt it was a little off…in fact the scene that gets me is Dawn’s. Saying it’s “mortal and stupid” didn’t land for me, even if I understand she’s a former demon and doesn’t understand that humans die. Out of context like when my mom watched it with me, she thought the line was strange.
For real. Buffy didn't take itself seriously and it was still goo
Eh, I think the success came from taking the right things seriously. The underlying coming of age story and accompanying supernatural metaphors was taken very seriously. This allowed them to let the superficial in-world story be more irreverent, and IMHO it was being able to do both that made it such a great show.
For real. Buffy didn't take itself seriously and it was still good. The Scooby Gang members are not popular or sexy in the usual manner expected on TV. Buffy trying to fit in with her peers and balancing her Slayer job with her personal life is absurdly relatable, lol.
I loved buffy but them going back to the bronze after they finished school was weird. Here in the UK we have alcohol free disco places for kids aged 14-18 (or at least we did in the 90s).
Once you got to drinking age at 18 and could go to clubs and pubs it was creepy to go to the underage ones because what 18 year old wants to dance with 14 year olds.
It all depends. In the US, we have under 21 clubs, which generally have an age cut off between 21 and 23 depending on region, and don't serve beer. We also have all ages venues, which are more like what the Bronze looks like.
You get carded at the door and get a colored wrist band if you're old enough drink. Normally these places are set up a lot like the Bronze. Bar, tables, stage, and balcony. The purpose is to see live music, and it's normally where you're gonna end up for like 75% of bands. It's not considered creepy for adults to be there enjoying the music and hanging out.
Having to work shitty jobs was a frequent plot point
Still pretty unrealistic that Buffy was able to support both herself and her sister, and take care of all the house bills, on a part-time job flipping burgers, while also going to (and presumably paying for) college.
Also I'm pretty sure after the burger place turned out to be demon owned and operated, she never had a job again.
They never did. It was a whole plot point that after the small inheritance ran out that Buffy was in serious financial trouble coming into the last season.
But then all Hell (literally) broke loose so they resolved her money problems by... dropping them literally in a sink hole.
and a coming of age too, the plot is basically like a typical Spider-Man storyline, except that the main character is a young girl that kills vampires to save the world.
It's the hero's journey, as they've basically cut, and pasted a woman into this classical structure. Tbf Buffy is a little more than this, on occasion, but it still fits. I like that women are now writing the heroine's journey, and defining it on our own terms, according to feminine technologies. That there are narratives available, again, which exist outside the narrow male perspective. A perspective that usually excludes half of the population, and sometimes minorities, and is very culturally influential.
Yeah, there had always been drama in high school real or fictional, my problem with Riverdale unlike these shows is that its concept is poorly executed and the writing and acting just makes the show harder to watch. Riverdale takes itself too seriously compared to every other high school show.
What about the show “Skins”? I feel like that was a more realistic highschool setting, albeit more about delinquents that get into sex, drugs, getting into trouble and such.
Don’t forget One Tree Hill, which featured a high school wedding! Yep, apparently no one in the town, including the characters’ parents, had a problem with two eleventh graders deciding to get married.
Dawsons creek was really one of the most pretentious shows I’ve ever seen like I had to take a shower every time I saw an episode somehow against my own will
I couldn't digest the OG 90210. You had 30ish people playing 16 year olds. So now they'd be 50ish playing 30ish people lol. But it seems the main point was to poke fun at privileged high school kids.
Reminds me of “My So-Called Life.” They were always in the bathroom at school, never in class. Sometimes they allowed people to post comments as the show was being shown and the comments were hysterical.
always with the high schoolers at night clubs or bars never getting carded
this probably happens more than you realize. I'm not going to say it's common, but I was shocked when I moved to NY and lived above a bar and they let me drink when I was 20. Then a few weeks later some kids from the local high school were in there...
Ok but this is a fictional show based on the archie comics that they turned into a mystery/sexual show. If you're living this life your life is incredibly bizarre but congrats and bangin hot chicks (or guys I guess)
Highschool was a lot of fun but drama, especially that much drama, is crazy. These teenagers never care about SAT or college application. They are damn good looking with hyper sexual attraction (that I can relate). Some have super care and his own million dollar business.
The complete lack of conformity to the source material is what gets me as well, the characters are nothing alike. I know it doesn’t need to be but it still annoys me.
Seriously. Where’s jughead’s crown and his love for burgers?! That’s the show I wanted to see. If it was gonna be nothing like the comics, might as well call it something else. But no, they wanted a connection to Sabrina.
Me entering high school after watching High School Musical: "This is not what I want. This is not what I planned. And I've just gotta say, I do not understand."
I love Riverdale. It is a massive Rollercoaster of mismatched ideas and tone. Grim serial killer on the loose on the one hand, but Betty might be kicked off the cheerleader squad on the other. It's great.
It was a completely different, completely stupid show that never got footing until they veneered it with Archie Comics characters.
Seriously. Give them different names when you read a script, and it's just another shitty CW teen overdramatics bullshit show. I legit don't know how anyone didn't pick up on this concept when they opened the show with Archie fucking Grundy in his jalopy.
They took all the chaos and drama of Glee, and instead of keeping it a comedy to poke fun at how ridiculous it is they took themselves WAAAYYY too seriously. I don’t doubt the actors are talented, but the plot and script itself is just... bad?
I get that they run out of ideas. But to keep viewership shouldn’t be a contest. The story should get to the point within a season, then the actors can move on to other projects. Kinda like kdramas.
To be fair, it would be impossible to hit all the genuinely good plot points from Glee within a single season. That and I don’t think saying “just make one season” makes any sense. Imagine all the greatest shows with plots that people love and have been stamped into western culture due to their success; Stranger Things, Lost, NCIS, Lucifer- there is no way any of those shows could have their plots condensed to a single season.
You mean to tell me a highly influential and powerful man isn’t targeting a high school student just because he crossed him at some point for some reason?
I loved the first season of riverdale, then the second was kind of a stretch for me but by the time s3 rolled around I had to stop watching… it’s so bad💀💀
They don’t even really go to school! Like all these other shows they just hang out in the school hallways all fucking day then do dramatic shit at night
Right and in the show these teenagers all have mind blowing sex and are into kinky foreplay with wigs already. I just have a lot of doubts. But also the producers are like yeah these are supposed to be teenager's but let's show them have a ton of sex like wtf.
The most dramatic thing that happened in my high school is when Joe broke his leg or something on the day before winter break, idk there was a lot of blood
In case you haven’t noticed, I'm weird. I’m a weirdo. I don't fit in. And I don't want to fit in. Have you ever seen me without this stupid hat on? thAT’s WEIRD.
That why I hate so much media that is using highschool for the main characters, like Teen Wolf, like there's no way you can just skip classes without being noticed or failing! Especially in modern times where everything has a camera and everyone has a phone
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