I went to Afghan restaurant in Melbourne(Australia). They had a photo of the destroyed Buddha statues displayed prominently. Wtf would you display the destroyed statutes in a restaurant.
There’s a fellow somewhere on this thread, can’t find them anymore, talking about how these statues were haram and how erasing them is what the prophet would have wanted. But you/us dumb foreigners would feel good seeing them statues so ‘I’mma show you a photo of the statue we destroyed’…
ISIS was created by the power vacuum the US and Europe created by removing Saddam and funding rebels in Syria.
The Taliban got its start when it was essentially given billions by the US in the 80s to fight the USSR.
But just keep pretending that these people are incapable of looking after their own artifacts they've held for thousands of years while ignoring your own country's hand in their destruction.
Europeans have been burning their own shit for centuries. Europe & America funded the Taliban & destabilized Iraq & Syria which gave rise to Isis. They also back the Arab Springs revolts. You are in no position to condemn what other do in their own countries when you support all of those actions.
lol, who said I support those either, you fucking genius? The concept of having more than one opinion is somehow elusive to you it seems. Seriously though, just fuck you in general for being such a short sighted, smooth brained, irrational pest.
No it’s ours. We are pathetic? Why ? Did we go looting and raping other countries like your whites friends? And what are you talking about not ours you idiot? It’s literally on our lands,it’s our past civilisation. Look at how we are protecting them today. Did you saw how we transferred the mummies during the mummies parade or you kept jacking off to images of stolen artifacts and the land of the natives that your grandfathers stole?
Did we go looting and raping other countries like your whites friends?
yes, lol. Fucking delusional. You really don't know shit. You can't even understand the concept of past civilizations. You cling to the flimsy idea of lines drawn on a map. You just can't understand this. The sand has gotten in your brain. Just stop trying.
Lol give me a break. You don't care about protecting them. Your country caused so much instability and destruction in Islamic countries, removing Gaddafi, removing Saddam, funding the Taliban, giving rise to ISIS, etc and you are completely okay with that. Lie to someone else.
Yes. And what if your a women who would like to see Egyptian artifacts without being sexually assaulted. Do people forget the “worst places to visit” thread from 2 weeks ago?
Well if those women show an ankle to a sex fiend Egyptian dude I'm pretty sure they were "asking for it" so it would be their fault for going out alone in a Muslim country
Lmao privileged women here want to see some pretty statues, guess that justify not giving back to poor countries the cultural heritage that were stolen from them.
So we should trust a country known for mutilating human beings to keep inanimate objects safe?
Cultural heritage is important, which is why it’s understandable that countries are reluctant to return them to places that have no ability/interest in protecting those relics.
There’s going to be a time, 500-800 years from now, where western nations will look a lot different and language will have totally changed.
And people will be clamouring about these artifacts; of Master Chief helmets, PlayStation controllers, Batman cowls, and pop toys, and they’ll exclaim that they should be preserved in a museum!
But I wonder if the the moniker “Made in China” means a future Asian nation will lay claim to those artifacts.
There’s also the question of what exact claim of cultural ownership a modern Arab Muslim has over ancient Egyptian artefacts. It doesn’t follow that the current inhabitants of a locale have an automatic connection.
To cite a more outrageous example, the Turkish government has requested the return of Greco-Roman artefacts taken from Anatolia from various European governments, including Greece.
As a history enthusiast, I'd prefer culture and history be preserved, so though perhaps influenced by my British bias and the fact that I have visited the museum in question, I still think it's valid to say that should a country actively purge it's own history, the intervention of another to maintain it is somewhat justified. I do not condone cultural destruction, only preservation. Egypt is unfortunately relatively unstable and has a problem with armed militias. It would be just to return their artifacts, without the threat of destruction by fanaticism and purging of history.
My apologies mate, I cannot condone the actions of my progenitors nor do I wish to. I simply speak in the here and now when I say I advocate for cultural preservation. English be damned anyway.
You understand how that is quite patronizing.. you want to be judged as separate from your heritage whilst claiming the others make them unable to safe guard its own culturally significant items..
The Egyptians cannot condone the actions of their progenitors nor do they wish to.. they just want their stuff back..
I didn't mean it that way sir. I understand where you come from. Perhaps I am naïve, and I see your angle. I am uncertain as to Egypt's state when it comes to museums and protected sites, I am certain that Britain does have the stability and facilities to keep these artifacts preserved, which is where my side came from. Thank-you for attempting to educate me, it is appreciated. If Egypt is indeed stable and responsible for it's history as you say, then by all means you are correct.
And I still like my heritage, the Scottish half at least.
Just trying to understand and learn new things, I don't know everything and I'm willing to let more knowledgeable and admirable persons such as yourself get it straight for me, enjoy the rest of this fine day good sir.
Like many brits you enjoy talking out your ass. I been to the museum too and there's a new section opening up this year. I lived in Egypt for 4 years, during the Arab spring. It's also pretty stable rn bud, dk wtf you're talking about, I talk to Egyptians every week I'm gonna assume they have a better idea of what's going on.
44 out of the 54 stolen artifacts taken during the raid on the museum in 2011 have been recovered.
Alright friend, I just don't like to see cultural preservation threatened, especially with an authoritarian government in charge. Also, the museum raid is tragic I admit.
And the artifacts were 90% recovered. Egypt depends on tourism and there's is no issue related to state sponsored destruction of history any time recently. But sure use the Bedouins in the Sinai as a justification to continue holding onto shit that ain't yours👍
The security situation is stable and has come A LONG way. But perhaps you would have preferred Egyptian democracy and the Muslim brotherhood who wanted war with Israel. Everyone on the sub is using history destroying extremists as justification to steal and keep historical artifacts that don't belong to them. Had Morsi maintained power, Egypt would have launched state sponsored destruction of ancient Egyptian history.
Your morals and view of acceptable government in the west is all relative and to do with your experience. Egypt military rule was the best of a shitty situation and power vacuum that facilitated the resurgence of the brotherhood in Egypt, mostly due to Ahmed Shawfik being a Mubarak crony and awful opponent with no electability
britain has tons of stolen artifacts from “stable” first-world countries too, not to mention the fact that 90% of the current instability in the middle east happened due to britain and america’s greed for oil - who funded and trained and radicalized most of the terrorist groups active in the area, and poured government money into toppling democratically elected leaders?
And what's your connection to Buddha statues in Afghanistan? What part of your culture or history is connected to Afghanistan? Like me Probably nothing, so we don't get a say.
Ahh yes because Buddhism originated in Indian i guess it gives them the right to violate Afghanistans sovereignty for the sake of cultural preservation beyond their borders.
That's very much a disputed claim.. the heavy lifting in the eradication of their culture was the willingness of the Europeans to commit genocide on people's without the proper means to defend themselves many would argue..
But the germs thing does help many Europeans sleep at night I've noticed..
Like the Americans claiming that the enslavement of African's is largely due to Africans selling other Africans.. not to their willingness to purchase and subjugate said human..
Every stolen artifact needs to return to its land.
And I ask why? It seems they didn't want it or protect it in the first place and sold them off as trinkets to rich aristocrats. Now they want them back? If they couldn't protect it to begin with, why would they now?
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u/BeholderBalls 26d ago
“Every stolen artifact needs to return to its land.” Try bringing Syrian artifacts back bub