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US rejects calls for regulating or banning ‘killer robots’ Robotics

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/02/us-rejects-calls-regulating-banning-killer-robots
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“In our view, the best way to make progress ... would be through the development of a non-binding code of conduct,” US official Josh Dorosin told the meeting.

It appears that the US want a "rule for thee, none for me" type of approach. Given this sentiment it is obvious that we're heading for a robot battle field in the near future.

This also means don't be surprised to see robot law enforcement since whatever is made for the military eventually bleeds into Law Enforcement.

What are your thoughts?

Is this a good idea?


Please reply to OP's comment here: /r/Futurology/comments/r80bbk/us_rejects_calls_for_regulating_or_banning_killer/hn2jucw/

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u/SheaF91 Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful

Treaties concerning the use of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons in war only happened AFTER those weapons started to be used in war. Robotic weapons will be no different, unfortunately.

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u/Andreomgangen Dec 03 '21

The most important treaties concerning nuclear weapons have also all been dismantled, so now we are in a new nuclear arms race, the idea that we are going to manage a moratorium on a new weapons type that will not only alter the playing field as much if not more than nuclear weapons, but unlike nuclear is virtually impossible to detect the research and manufacture process off is laughable.

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u/Kyosw21 Dec 03 '21

I was actually just thinking, if the autonomous got their hands on those banned weapons they could use them as “the most effective weapon for the situation” and with no human oversight, nobody would be blamed. That’s what I’m afraid they’ll do

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u/vagueblur901 Dec 03 '21

I mean we already have drone strikes and AI assisted weapon systems that are a decade old

This isn't some massive leap in technology

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u/GioPowa00 Dec 03 '21

It is when the robot doesn't have a person behind anymore and is programmed to be able to take decisions while alone in the field

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u/just-some-person Dec 03 '21 Silver

Because they probably already have a functioning small army of various versions of this exact thing.

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u/alt-227 Dec 03 '21 Silver

I interviewed for a civilian job with the Navy in San Diego. One of the departments I spoke to was doing robotics and had developed a surveillance robot. They couldn’t show me the robot they had built since it was classified, but one of the guys on the team did show me a little gadget he had made on his own. It was a small robot that could identify soda cans and shoot them with a Gatling-style BB gun. It wasn’t too hard to connect the dots on what was really happening on that team…in 1999.

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u/Jsaun906 Dec 03 '21

The south Koreans have had basically that same system guarding the DMZ for years now. It can distinguish between uniformed soldiers and civilians. Hypothetically

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u/Hugebluestrapon Dec 03 '21

It's been too long since robocop

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u/senturon Dec 03 '21

"You have 20 seconds to comply"

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u/GiveToOedipus Dec 03 '21

YOU NOW HAVE 10 SECONDS TO COMPLY

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u/LaikasDad Dec 03 '21

It's been an hour ED-209....

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u/bowdown2q Dec 04 '21

ED-209 CANNOT READ ANALOG CLOCKS.

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u/theguitarbeast Dec 04 '21

This made me laugh really hard, just thought you should know.

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u/feeltheslipstream Dec 03 '21 Silver

Wouldn't it be "funny" if all the reports of deserters getting shot trying to cross into South Korea were due to poor image recognition, and not because North Korea were shooting them?

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u/Jsaun906 Dec 03 '21

I definitely wouldn't be shocked if years from now documents confirming that get declassified

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u/radicalelation Dec 03 '21

What's more likely and humourous is they publicly claim it's automatic, but actually all man monitored.

Big fake flex looks like a big flex, which is classic military.

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u/HansWilhelm Dec 03 '21

Per the BBC article, there is a live person confirming, but it was more work to add it than to keep it out.

From six years ago:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150715-killer-robots-the-soldiers-that-never-sleep

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u/radicalelation Dec 03 '21

“Our original version had an auto-firing system,” he explains. “But all of our customers asked for safeguards to be implemented. Technologically it wasn’t a problem for us. But they were concerned the gun might make a mistake.”

I would ask for it too, as I've not seen anything for any reasonable length of time to convince me to throw my trust into an auto-firing turret. We'd need comparable recognition systems on the consumer level for a decade without incident before I'd consider it.

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u/James-W-Tate Dec 03 '21

We'd need comparable recognition systems on the consumer level for a decade without incident before I'd consider it.

Now releasing the AutoFire MKIII Home Defense Turret, JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS!

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u/freshkicks Dec 03 '21

If it can identify a person 100% of the time and only misidentify a person as a combatant some of the time, I'd say we can round up and call it a resounding success!

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u/WillDeletOneDay Dec 03 '21

A human is just as capable of misidentifying a target. It is not depicted in the movies very often, but it is very common for people to die because of this on the battlefield.

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u/DesignTight6889 Dec 03 '21

I imagine they plan to put in an friendly-autodetect mode with CheckAlbedo() set to anything over 85% /s

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u/Calvin--Hobbes Dec 03 '21

You best start believin in Black Mirror stories, yer in one.

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u/vardarac Dec 03 '21

steps into the moonlight, revealing a face full of cybernetics

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u/Stay-At-Home-Jedi Dec 04 '21

no kidding. That reminds me of the soldier one (cause I can't remember the name)

>! The premise was that they were fighting zombies of a sort, but then you learn their visors blind and lie to their senses so the soldiers see zombies instead of people. The MC gets enraged and confronts their superiors, only for us to learn that they, perhaps unknowingly, signed up for this digital propaganda! !<

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u/f10101 Dec 04 '21

One thing that becomes very obvious when you look into autonomous robotics as a career (as opposed to the industrial automation branch of robotics) is how almost every start-up is geared towards developing products for military/police uses when you explore further, even if they try to project something else in their public image.

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u/SteveBuscemisVoice Dec 03 '21

“In 1999”

I was 1 when sodey cans were getting executed

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u/Quirky-Skin Dec 03 '21

Yup. Drones were also a thing long before the public knew about them. The internet? Started as military tech

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u/some_edgy_shit- Dec 03 '21

As did GPS

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u/Jsaun906 Dec 03 '21

GPS is how the US won the 1991 gulf war in a landslide. The Iraqis never expected an assault to come from the middle of the open desert

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u/CannotDenyNorConfirm Dec 03 '21

in 1999

Consider me floored.

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u/221missile Dec 03 '21

16% of the DOD procurement budget is black budget. That's $21.6 billion dollars for buying completely classified equipment for 2022 alone. So, who knows what they're buying.

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u/BidenWontMoveLeft Dec 03 '21

They do. It was on 60 Minutes years ago under the Obama administration. Facial recognition assassins.

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u/RelaxPrime Dec 03 '21

I just hope the robots realize 90% of us just want to live out our damn lives and we can all peacefully coexist if the robots overthrow the assholes.

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u/invisibletank Dec 03 '21

Seriously. I'd say 99% of the world's population simply wants to spend time with friends and family, have some fun, eat, have a few hobbies, hopefully not live in poverty, be paid fairly for their work, etc. But we got the other 1% that are power-hungry fucking ass-hats that feel the need to exert their will on the rest of us and ruin it for everybody.

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u/Ulysses1978ii Dec 04 '21

(Enough for need not enough for greed)

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u/Sure-Negotiation-481 Dec 04 '21

I disagree. I think most people want those things, but also feel they want to help a cause, to varying degrees. Its a rare person who has no strong views about any subject at all. Thats where conflict arises.

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u/tmoney144 Dec 03 '21

My logic is undeniable.

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u/SellaraAB Dec 04 '21

Hell, maybe robot overlords would be an improvement over our current cadre of sociopaths.

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u/Hammitan Dec 03 '21

If we end up with a few programmers who manage to snare some code of their own into the programming for such machines, I think this may happen.

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u/the_bruce43 Dec 03 '21

I really don't see how automation of war can be a good thing. On one hand, soldiers won't be killed (at least on the side with the robots) but on the other hand, the loss of life on your side is a deterrent to keeping the war going. Plus, this could just be like nuclear proliferation 2.0 and only a handful of countries will have the tech and resources to have these. And who is ultimately responsible for the actions of the automated killing machine, assuming one day they reach autonomy? I know there are already too many civilian casualties of war but if the machine is autonomous, what happens if it goes on a rampage and kills indiscriminately?

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u/BillSixty9 Dec 03 '21 LOVE!

Begun the clone wars has

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u/Cloaked42m Dec 03 '21

Drone wars, but yep, more or less.

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u/no-stupid-questions Dec 03 '21

Droid wars?

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u/Calvinbah Pessimistic Futurist (NoFuturist?) Dec 03 '21

Well the enemy to the clones were droids, so that's a bit redundant.

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u/RealJeil420 Dec 03 '21

And then the Butlerian Jihad.

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u/IronicBread Dec 03 '21

Age of the mentats has begun

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u/Thesaurususaurus Dec 03 '21

The war of jedi aggression

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u/the_bruce43 Dec 03 '21

This is my favorite response so far

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u/caffeinex2 Dec 03 '21

The issue I have is that eventually and probably sooner than later the tech will get out and terrorists, lone wolves, and people angry at your local schoolboard will be able to make these with of the shelf components and a 3D printer. Not only will it revolutionize warfare, it will greatly empower non-government actors. This isn't like nuclear weapons which need a team of highly trained scientists and very specialized facilities and supply chains.

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u/Stony_Brooklyn Dec 03 '21

How does regulation stop people from making a killer robot in their garage? People can already 3D print a gun and I’m sure someone with enough skills can automate a turret gun.

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u/GioPowa00 Dec 03 '21

It's the good AI the problem, today we can still limit the capacity of public known self-learning algorithms, and speeding it up can only create more problems

Also, self-teaching algorithms learn really fast if you give them the right instructions and enough computing power, after that is just necessary to keep updating the robot when the original algorithm makes a breakthrough in efficiency or capacity, but that requires so many resources that only a government, billionaires or a crime syndicate could do it without it being discovered before competition

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u/anally_ExpressUrself Dec 03 '21

today we can still limit the capacity of public known self-learning algorithms

I don't see how this can realistically be done, either legally or practically.

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u/MartyFreeze Dec 03 '21

I think it'll be more likely to be owned and operated by the wealthy when the poor inevitably rise up because they're tired of being treated like dirt.

Imagine the french revolution if the nobility had terminators. It's going to be something like that.

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u/silvusx Dec 03 '21

This is starting to sound like a movie.... is it RoboCop?

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u/AssHaberdasher Dec 03 '21

Sounds a lot like the remake, which actually wasn't terrible. It had a fair bit to say about autonomous weapons as a law enforcement and occupation force.

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u/srottydoesntknow Dec 03 '21

I was actually incredibly let down that they introduced the conflict of spoofing the wetware modulation of his combat systems by hardlinking them and tricking his brain into post hoc rationalization, and then never bringing up the super obvious problems with that.

I kind of hope they did address it somehow and I just missed it, but I honestly feel like it was just treated as giving him a super power, and that kind of thinking about the military is why Wolfenstein is vastly superior from a narrative standpoint than most modern military shooters, soldiers are treated as people, not super heroes (except nazis because fuck those guys)

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u/jbaughb Dec 03 '21

spoofing the wetware modulation of his combat systems by hardlinking them and tricking his brain into post hoc rationalization, and then never bringing up the super obvious problems with that.

Oh wow…. I know some of those words.

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u/Count_Rousillon Dec 03 '21

In the new Robocop, his human brain thinks it still has free will once combat mode has activated. But actually, the robot parts have 100% control and just trick Robocop's human brain into thinking it's making decisions until all hostiles are taken out.

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u/not_old_redditor Dec 03 '21

In the sequel, RoboCop 2, one of the robots will turn into a good guy.

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u/jadrad Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Terminator robots sound inefficient when it would be much easier to mass manufacture mosquito sized micro-drones fitted with cyanide/novichok needles.

Something like what they have in Dune, but we already have the technology to make them smaller and less detectable.

Drone swarms could be used as deterrents to create no-go areas, sent to assassinate specific people, or even airdropped out of bigger drones by the millions to wipe out entire populations across a large area.

That’s where the future of asymmetrical automated warfare is heading.

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u/crazygrof Dec 03 '21

Look up "Slaughterbots" on YouTube. It's a short about what you just described.

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u/conro Dec 03 '21

Or the black mirror episode with the killer insect drones.

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u/MartyFreeze Dec 03 '21

god, even more horrific than I imagined.

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u/Im_Not_Even Dec 03 '21

"You will live to see manmade horrors beyond your comprehension."

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u/srottydoesntknow Dec 03 '21

Poison microdrones would be even less efficient than strapping guns to quadcoptors, and c4 to other, slightly smaller quadcopters. Plus they would also be useful against materiel

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u/THE_CHOPPA Dec 03 '21

I think strapping c4 to drones is already thing actually.

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u/srottydoesntknow Dec 03 '21

I feel like I'm going on another list because of what I'm gonna say here, but

Strapping explosives to a drone seems like such an obvious drone I'd be a little disappointed in anyone who didn't think of it

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u/Gyoza-shishou Dec 03 '21

Honestly I'm more surprised it's taken so long to get to this point since people almost immediately taped knives to their roombas...

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u/Alise_Randorph Dec 03 '21

Doesn't need to be efficient against objects when everyone around the thing is dead.

Like, you dont need to defeat a tanks armor blow up a tank when you can just kill the crew with a mosquito bite before they can even get to the tank.

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u/WarProgenitor Dec 03 '21

The actual mosquito has this highest human kill count out of any species tbh.

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u/geoffp82 Dec 03 '21

The reason to use small drones is more about being unable to target them with conventional weapons. You can shoot a drone out of the sky with a netgun or regular shot gun. How are you going to do the same with something the size of a fly? Maybe with electromagnetic means or with lasers but not with a regular gun.

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u/Bananawamajama Dec 03 '21

I dont know if I would automatically say it's easier.

We have humanish robots right now, like Boston Dynamics, but I don't know if we really have many or any mosquito sized drones or something similar that wouldn't be too big or too loud to be unnoticeable. I think if you combine the small size and sound profile needed with the ability to either be remotely controlled or have good enough AI to navigate to a target on its own with the structural strength it needs to be able to inject a person with anything it seems like it could be a real challenge.

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u/DynamicDK Dec 03 '21

but I don't know if we really have many or any mosquito sized drones or something similar that wouldn't be too big or too loud to be unnoticeable.

There are already drones that are only slightly bigger than a quarter and make very little sound. It is closer than you think. In fact, silent mosquito or fly-sized drones may already exist. We don't know what kinds of advanced technology the U.S. military has, or some of the other highly advanced militaries. The quarter-sized drones are 3D-printable and the designs are freely available.

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u/thepetoctopus Dec 03 '21

You know, it’s shit like this that almost makes me glad that I’m dying so that I don’t have to witness it.

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u/shargy Dec 03 '21

This. Robot soldiers eliminates one of the major risks for the ultra wealthy - that the people guarding them and their property decide that they don't want to actively protect the people wrecking our society.

They can just hole up on their property and have drones do the patrols.

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u/john6644 Dec 03 '21

Toy soldiers

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u/ultratoxic Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

There was a black mirror episode about swarms of "slaughterbots", which were micro drones with about a shotgun shell worth of explosive on them. They identify a target, swarm them, and explode near their head. It was a work of fiction, but I can see where someone could create that scenario with a bunch of $20 drones from Amazon and a homebrewed/downloaded piece of software.

Edit: not actually a black mirror episode, turns out. But this is what I was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fa9lVwHHqg

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u/shankarsivarajan Dec 03 '21

black mirror episode about swarms of "slaughterbots",

This one? It's not actually a Black Mirror episode, but close enough.

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u/ultratoxic Dec 03 '21

Yes! I thought this was black mirror, what is it actually from?

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u/shankarsivarajan Dec 03 '21

It's not from anything. It's an advocacy video warning about the dangers of automated weapons technology and its proliferation.

As lots of people have pointed out, there is a Black Mirror episode that's kinda similar: Hated in the Nation.

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u/Cetun Dec 03 '21

Two points, first it's inevitable, one country is going to blink and then every major country is going to develope their own. Israel doesn't care how the balance of power will be messed up they view defense as existential, they will build autonomous killing robots and then Iran will, then Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and then Russia, and then China and the United States.

Second, you forget what really matters to all these countries, Money. Autonomous robots cost money and resources, both of which are limited, perhaps more limited than humans available to fight. Humans even today are looked at as a physical and financial resource at this point, if you just replace humans with machines I don't see how that changes the economy very much. At some point they will be unable to produce more machines, their financial markets will be in ruins, they will be unable to effectively retaliate, and the war will be concluded.

I think WWIII will end not with tanks marching into someone's capital but when large companies within their respective countries determine that the war needs to end even on bad terms so long as the companies can come out on the other side solvent. If Putin were to declare war on the west tomorrow and he doesn't produce results, he will be on borrowed time till the oligarchs simply replace him and sue for peace so long as they can keep their businesses up and running.

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u/Mescallan Dec 03 '21

We are about to enter the Cold War 2, and will most likely be in it for the rest of our lives. Previously you could tell if your enemy was testing advanced weapons because they went boom loud enough to hear it out of their borders. Modern weapons are being developed in silence, you just need a warehouse, a few super computers, and a trillion dollars to match the destructive powers of WWII. Automated weapons and cyber attacks will be the next nukes in that they are too powerful to use and act as a deterrent for any direct conflict as long as both sides are at an equalibrium. Hopefully this ushers in a new era of peace, but realistically one side will out pace the other and become dominant [again].

We will see proxy wars ala syria/vietnam break out where they will be tested and refined (Israel is an exporter of military equipment because they can turn on their conflict at will, test their gear new gear, then turn the conflict off with a flick of the switch). Eventually it will turn into another war of attrition, but in 30 years we will have access to all the resources in the near solar system and the race for inter planetary territory will make hot automated conflicts the norm in space.

Humans with scarcity will always be in conflict. If we can hold together civilization until we overcome scarcity we will finally calm down, but our necessity for conflict is the reason we have come so far and in the grandest of schemes is a net gain for the species. I am optimistic that we will thrive as a species, even though my direct lineage will most likely die off in the next 2-3 generations due to war or famine.

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u/MasterMirari Dec 04 '21

I'm afraid our climate and attendant issues are too extreme, we aren't going to make it to solar system harvesting tech.

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u/TentacleHydra Dec 03 '21

I mean obviously the country with the greatest advantage isn't going to agree lmao.

Not to mention our military industrial complex is probably frothing at the mouth to pump out overpriced killer robots at the expense of the tax payer.

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u/siskulous Dec 03 '21

Everyone's talking about Terminators, but for my money, Slaughterbots is more realistic, and because it's more realistic it's MUCH scarier.

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u/That_Awkward_Boi Dec 03 '21

The fact that the CEO character kept saying "bad guys" just made me think, but who is a bad guy? Just who do you consider a "bad guy"?..I am so not looking forward to the future...

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u/captaingleyr Dec 04 '21

when he talks about killing just the bad half of a city...

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u/SirJustin90 Dec 04 '21

That's an absolutely terrifying idea.

Soon as a nation becomes dictatorial all those of opposing political stance are weeded out systematically, quickly, efficiently and with nearly no defense.

Not to mention extremists/terrorists. At least nukes are hard to come by in comparison.

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u/QuestionTwice Dec 03 '21

Slaughter bots is the future of warfare and that keeps me up at night

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u/RoboOverlord Dec 04 '21

This really needs to be higher up. Not enough people have seen this, and even fewer realize that there isn't 1 piece of technology in that video that doesn't already exists. Someone is going to put it together sooner or later.

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u/IWantTooDieInSpace Dec 04 '21

"our window to act is closing"

Video posted 4 years ago. Oh. Great.

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u/siskulous Dec 04 '21

Yeah. Like I said, MUCH scarier than terminators. That tech all exists TODAY. In fact, a clever and devious person could probably build one of those things in their basement.

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u/sxan Dec 03 '21

Crap. That's basically confirmation that we already have them.

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u/Business-Bake-4681 Dec 04 '21

Theyve been in use for years in the korean dmz. They also have no reliable method of telling friend from foe.

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u/CyberneticPanda Dec 03 '21

The US also has refused to sign the treaty banning land mines and the treaty banning cluster munitions, among many others.

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u/SubterrelProspector Dec 03 '21

Glad I have three pooches to warn me if a terminator comes around.

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u/SucksToYourAssmar3 Dec 03 '21

If it's robots fighting robots, fine. It's wasteful, but war-by-proxy is better than war-war.

But it won't be. It'll be robots fighting folks a tick or two down the economic ladder, as it ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

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u/annomandaris Dec 03 '21

Until one side of robots wins. Then it’s robots vs people.

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u/045675327 Dec 03 '21

Boston dynamics show them dancing, somersaulting and generally pissing around, if they showed us what they were really working on we'd be terrified.

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u/billysnow12 Dec 03 '21

Just think about what they could do with those dancing robots ? Imagine one with a machine gun strapped on his arm . No difficulty to carry it dosnt need to worry about recoil or weight of the weapon and can shoot on sight with 100% precision. Only a matter of time until we are replaced

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u/Change_petition Dec 03 '21

No surprise here. The definition of "robots" can be quite broad and include UAVs, Drones, unmanned amphibious crafts etc, all of which are already in use by the military !

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u/betweenskill Dec 03 '21

It's specifically about unmanned, AUTONOMOUS, mechanical/electrical machines with NO human input being able to make decisions and kill people.

Then again the US was also one of 2(?) countries to vote against the idea that food should be a human right. Maybe we're (one of) the bad guys.

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u/leovin Dec 03 '21

Why would the US ban their biggest advantage in warfare? (The US military already relies on self-piloting UAVs, drones, and countless other technologies that can be classified as robots)

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u/KennethPatchen Dec 03 '21

Of course they do. How else will they be able to quell the inevitable cheeseburger revolution?

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u/Thunderadam123 Dec 03 '21

This going to be inevitable anyways, considering the cold war 2.0 is still kicking (with new players joining game).

Even if you make a law 'banning autonomous weapons', what criteria does the autonomous weapons fit?

Most countries have UAV which can be considered killer robots as the can loiter, identify and inform the human to strike the target using a missile the guides itself to the target that is mark by the drone beforehand. The next step is to reduce the human element as much as possible until the only thing the robot needs is a human element to push the button to kickstart ww3.

Why wars need human element so that people can experience the horrors rhemselve to see why we don't need it. What happens when US military engaged in a prolonged war because their boat is shot for the billionths time but there's no need to send people to the warzone?

This means that US citizens are detached from the war itself. Your kids aren't send to the warzone, so no biggie as he is fighting for his life. He just need to push a button and job well done, no need to learn the enemy, no need to talk or form a bond with a civilian.

An innocent person died by his hands? he will get a paper notifying him at the end of his service life.

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u/BrobaFett Dec 03 '21

Imagine a future of war where we have tiny drones with facial recognition software and a small explosive attached to them. It just zooms over, looking for the target, identifies it, zips down and detonates next to the target's head.

Imagine that terrifying fucking world.

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u/Gari_305 Dec 03 '21

“In our view, the best way to make progress ... would be through the development of a non-binding code of conduct,” US official Josh Dorosin told the meeting.

It appears that the US want a "rule for thee, none for me" type of approach. Given this sentiment it is obvious that we're heading for a robot battle field in the near future.

This also means don't be surprised to see robot law enforcement since whatever is made for the military eventually bleeds into Law Enforcement.

What are your thoughts?

Is this a good idea?

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u/Balvaeir Dec 03 '21

Are you implying that we are gonna get some kind of... Robocop?

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u/Gari_305 Dec 03 '21

We both knowhow the military usually gives equipment over to law enforcement in the past . Thus following that pattern, why not also killer robots in its procurement?

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u/ElamHamishistheMan Dec 03 '21

The NYPD already has a few. I don’t know if they are armed yet but I guarantee you they can’t wait to let one of these loose on a protest.

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u/0berfeld Dec 03 '21

“ The imperial boomerang or Foucault's boomerang is the thesis that governments that develop repressive techniques to control colonial territories will eventually deploy those same techniques domestically against their own citizens.”

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u/yes_mr_bevilacqua Dec 03 '21

The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots

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u/bolson1717 Dec 03 '21

Always remeber the us military is 20 years further in tech than civilians think. They hide alot of shit. They had killer robots in the 90s.. the us military probably can already pump them out if they want

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u/PilotlessOwl Dec 03 '21

The US is being cynically realistic here, no way would Russia and China adhere to the regulation of this technology.

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u/clomso Dec 04 '21

If making killer robots means progress, we are doomed.

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u/thunderchunks Dec 03 '21

This is a pretty solid sign they either already got em, or could get them in production real fucking quick.

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