r/HermanCainAward Team Bivalent Booster Apr 28 '22 Silver 2 Helpful 2

The Scared and Confused Nurse from earlier today GETS A REDEMPTION AWARD! Redemption Award

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u/Richfor3 Apr 28 '22

Glad she is getting vaccinated but there’s no way she did any research or it would have happened already.

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u/SeasonPositive6771 Apr 28 '22 Silver

I think this is actually part of the problem. There is a massive difference between how "doing research" is defined. There is a massive gulf between a scientifically literate person, the average person, and the average vaccine hesitant/vaccine denier/right wing media consuming person. The average person can depend on the scientifically literate person, but the right wing person has been carefully cultivated to believe in "alternative facts" and to distrust academics.

I've started to see an awful lot of "I've got your citation right here" memes, or just outright stating that peer reviewed journals aren't trustworthy sources of information.

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u/IDontHaveCookiesSry Apr 28 '22

I have spent barely enough time in a university to grasp how difficult it is to do any research properly, let alone research in a field I am not familiar with at all.

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u/suedesparklenope Apr 28 '22

Right. I am absolutely thrilled that one more person is going to be vaccinated and go on to encourage others.

But yea… if this nurse at one time thought the vaccine “altered DNA” there’s absolutely no way she was doing extensive research.

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u/dd027503 Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

Even minus the "research" part the idiotic bullshit they consume doesn't even make sense from a logical perspective. For it to begin to be true they're basically painting a scenario where entire swaths of the medical and scientific fields are collectively "in" on some conspiracy to do great harm to the world. As if some secret like that would survive in the internet age for more than a day.

I remember reading years ago about flat earth crap where some of them believed that the perimeter of the "flat" earth had a wall that was guarded by soldiers who killed anyone who got too close. That's why it was still a hush-hush secret. As if the manpower to staff that wouldn't result in millions of soldiers from what... every country on earth having to do tours at the flat earth space wall over.. the entire collective history of humanity? And obviously none of them went on to tell everyone they knew about the mind fuck horror of just staring out into space from a wall? "Oh but sometimes we got to open fire on guys who drove their pontoon boat too close so that was cool sometimes..."

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u/EhrenScwhab Apr 28 '22

I always find it amusing because it becomes clear in situations like that who has and has not ever been in charge of a group of 6 or more people.

Try keeping a half dozen people on the same tasks without someone wandering off going into business for themselves.

People who believe in vast conspiracies involving thousands of people have never ever been in charge of a damn thing....

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u/Ryan_Stiles_Shoes Apr 28 '22

If I had to guess: They've never been in charge of a damn thing because they're likely less than average in more areas than just gullibility.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

They’re not in charge of their own lives even, that’s a job for Jeebus!

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u/tejaco Grandpa was in Antifa, but they called it the U.S. Army Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

Ex-military here. Did four tours at the wall, and that shit's real. LOL. /jk obviously. Whenever I hear someone talk about secrets being kept by the entire military of my own country over decades I roll my eyes.* Do you know who makes up a military? A lot of 18 year olds who would LOVE to look cool to their civilian peers by telling them about the UFOs in Roswell. You can't keep big secrets that thousands and thousands of people know.

*A small number of people under threat of retribution can keep a military secret for a limited time, fortunately. Loose lips and all that.

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u/MyOpenlyFemaleHandle Vax and facts, ignore the quacks Apr 29 '22

Arrr. Two can keep a secret, if one o' them be dead!

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u/FloppyTwatWaffle Team Mix & Match Apr 29 '22

Ex-mil here as well, and you are quite right. After the Army, I got a job that involved DoD and the business of keeping secrets secret. These tools have no idea how difficult it really is.

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u/The-Sublimer-One Team Pfizer Apr 28 '22

You don't understand. "They" own the Internet.

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u/BaconContestXBL Apr 28 '22

I think you mean (((They))).

God it makes my skin crawl just typing that

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

GEORGE SOROS SED SO /s

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u/travbombs Apr 28 '22

I’m not defending them, because I agree with you, but there are examples of accepted science that ends up bolstering their position. For example, the standard American diet that is supposed to consist of mostly carbs has proven to be harmful. The food pyramid is bullshit. Now, those things clearly weren’t intentional, but the fact that they were perpetuated for so long by money interests in sugar and other industries shows that there is, even indirectly, some skewing of the facts. The problem is, things change over time. As we become more knowledgeable we adjust our behavior. Those that take things so far as conspiracies are bending the truth, at best. They see anecdotal evidence and then extrapolate that to fit their narrative. You can’t convince them otherwise, because then you’re in on it too. I wholeheartedly agree with what you said, just explaining how these doofuses brains (don’t) work. They have no capacity for reflection, and questioning their own line of thinking, so they’re stuck in the misinformed feedback loop.

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u/WanderinHobo Apr 28 '22

The problem is, things change over time

Anti-maskers clung onto early-pandemic CDC info about mask efficacy for months. At first they didn't recommend them and when they eventually did people just shared memes showing old CDC guidance and claimed masks were useless.

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u/travbombs Apr 28 '22

For sure. They are misinformation opportunists. It's like arguing with a middle schooler, "Nut-uh, look first they said they didn't work!" There is no nuance or considering of all the information as it's gathered. Just cherry picking.

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u/ccrom Team Bivalent Booster Apr 28 '22

When PPE was in critically short supply, well-meaning people were sending homemade cloth masks to hospitals. From the legions of nurses pulling double shifts in covid wards, some were bound to write opinion pieces asking people to stop sending in cloth masks because they are "worthless" to them. (One such letter made it into a medical journal and was widely cited by anti-maskers.)

Cloth masks are good enough to pass strangers at the grocery store during the Delta wave. They aren't adequate PPE for inserting a tube down a Covid patient's throat.

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u/MisteeLoo Team Pfizer Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

I’ve been around long enough also to have heard about studies’ data skewed to fit the results companies were looking for if they were the one sponsoring it with their own money. Drug companies in particular seeking FDA approval, and burying things like effectiveness and bad side effects. So there’s a history of… I dunno… malfeasance? Fraud? Not sure what to call it. So this is where I think it all stems from. Dishonest results published, ineffective or harmful drugs making it to the public (ie: opioid addiction), and bad players have set the stage for doubt and mistrust. Don’t get me started on the tobacco industry, which was all-powerful for decades. Edited for more words.

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u/travbombs Apr 28 '22

Yes, all excellent examples. And all of those examples are together an example of why not holding people/corporations accountable for their malfeasance has a longer effect than just those that were duped. Mistrust in experts is a very dangerous mentality to have spread. Especially when kids are encouraged to go into debt to become experts in things. I hope this never happens, but if the tide ever changes so much that people give up on education we will truly be doomed, if we're not already. But, I'm a fairly cynical person. There is always hope, I suppose.

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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Apr 28 '22

This is. And what makes the conspiracies so damn convincing. The best lies always have a grain of truth. It’s that grain that leaves room for the craziest claims.

Add to that peoples need to make order out of the chaos of a capitalist hellscape, and they’ll grab hold of anything.

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u/dd027503 Apr 28 '22

You can’t convince them otherwise, because then you’re in on it too

This is kind of part of my point though, it isn't logical or feasible to have that many people "in" on a conspiracy. Whether through bribes or threat of violence it just doesn't work at scale. From other conspiracy related reading I recall reading a pilot's comments talking about the chem trail nonsense and he was like "even if it's true or pretending it's feasible do you have any idea the number of people who would have to be 'in' on something like that and constantly coordinating to make that happen?"

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u/MacheteMaelee Apr 28 '22

I am a chemist, my husband has his PhD in biology and did his undergrad in physics.

There are whole classes in both undergrad and graduate level for at least those areas that are just learning how to read, understand, and evaluate the quality of scientific literature.

Science communication definitely needs improvement.

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u/Realistic-Dingo-4837 Apr 28 '22

This exactly. A recent study suggests only about 1/3 of scientific studies have the findings replicated. The primary reason is considered to be confirmation bias being introduced. Additionally scientists are rated and valued based on how often they have studies published- again allowing confirmation bias to infect the process. Science needs to clean up its act.

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u/Tiggeribby Team Moderna Apr 28 '22

Possible not a nurse but nurse-adjacent and trying to appear undeservedly important?

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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Apr 28 '22

Heh heh. You wish. I guarantee she’s an actual nurse. People have an inflated view of how educated nurses are in general.

Not to bash nurses. They’re generally great and doing a fucking service to their country in my opinion. But they have specialized training in specific areas. There are significant gaps of knowledge that could allow all kinds of false medical bullshit in. Not everyone is intellectually curious to read beyond what it takes to get a diploma.

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u/McEndee Apr 28 '22

Alter your DNA to what extent? Isn't your DNA hard-coded from birth? I'm asking because I'm not an expert, which is what this lady should have been doing.

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u/Harddaysnight1990 Go Give One Apr 28 '22

I'm not sure about the anti-vax logic of the covid vaccine altering your DNA, it's probably something to do with the fact that it's an mRNA vaccine.

But, there are environmental factors that can "alter" your DNA, in a way. Carcinogens, for example. Repeated exposure to carcinogens "alters" your DNA (in a sense) so that it replicates without any control. Which is how tumors are formed. But repeated exposure is the key there. No one gets skin cancer from one trip out on a sunny day. No one gets lung cancer from a single cigarette. And besides that, there's nothing in an mRNA developed vaccine that would cause this rapid, uncontrolled cellular replication that would cause cancer. And nothing exists that can alter your DNA in the way that some of these fools claim, where it's slowly turning people into lizards or whatever the hell they believe.

But also, I'm basing this on a very cursory understanding of biology from my college core classes, in the one module of the class where we covered DNA and briefly talked about how cancer starts. I'm in no way an expert on the subject.

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u/McEndee Apr 28 '22

Thanks. You may not be an expert, but you know more than me. I'll read up some more on DNA today.

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u/tejaco Grandpa was in Antifa, but they called it the U.S. Army Apr 28 '22

Also, read about epigenetics. Food choices can turn genes "on" and "off", for instance.

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u/athenaprime Apr 28 '22

All the explanations in the world wouldn't have convinced her, I'm afraid. She wasn't looking for an expert answer, she was looking for validation when she did her "research."

You can't logic someone out of a belief they didn't logic themselves into. Something about the "alter your DNA" panic bullshit struck an emotional chord with her and from there, the algorithms did the rest of the work by serving up more of the emotional damage that fear drove her to seek out in the first place. It took 6 months of being on a ventilator and in a coma, plus 6 more months of persistent symptoms and possible permanent physical damage AND seeing the effect all that had on her loved ones to break that initial emotional reaction and the early reinforcement it had to dig into her thought processes.

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u/ohwrite Thank you for not dying Apr 28 '22

This is absolutely true. It’s a steep learning curve and it bothers me that people thinks it’s easy. I have an MA in writing and I’m still “just ok” at it.

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u/angelorphan Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

Yeah,I have BA(only 4 years tho)in poli-sci and I cannot govern any countries.

(Forgive my English,Not the first language.)

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u/Jannis_Black Apr 28 '22

Most people in per can't either so you are fully qualified.

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u/Ematio Moderna cherry on two scoops of Pfizer Apr 28 '22

Sister, you speak better English than half of the US/Canada.

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u/angelorphan Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

Oh wow thanks for huge compliment! 有難う御座います(..)_<This is my 1st language including kaomoji.

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u/blujavelin Spiteful Fucktard Apr 28 '22

Sure you can, better than an orange one.

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u/angelorphan Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

That’s pretty low bar ! XD

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u/Iio_xy Don't get the Merck of the beast 🩸 Apr 28 '22

Also it takes soooo much time, there are probably a dozen papers regarding what you want to know and to fully understand them you might need to understand and research other (not basic) stuff.

There is a point where you simply have to trust those who are credible and have already researched it.

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u/smithtj3 Apr 28 '22

I don't think it's inherently a bad idea to be skeptical of the information that is being provided to you by authority figures. The issue I've seen over and over again with people who are rejecting valid scientific research in favour of dubious research is that they don't seem to understand what makes one source more credible than another.

I came across some antivax post citing a study on the effectiveness of ivermectin. All anyone had to do to doubt the credibility of the study was to look at the sources. The author was claiming it to be incredibly effective but looking at the sources, one of the sources is the same author as the article which was conducted with data collected from another study which showed that invermectin, while having some measurable effect on COVID-19, was incredibly small. The remaining sources all used this same research data but just highlighted that it did have an effect.

The people buying into this though just see two people with Dr. in front of there names but can't tell the difference between one citing numerous double blind studies with large and diverse sample populations and one citing a single really flawed study that was borderline inconclusive.

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u/athenaprime Apr 28 '22 Take My Energy

I find it incredibly sad and it makes me incredibly angry that people's natural sense of ethics has been so easily twisted to the opposite of its best use.

People come to the skepticism mostly through honest means. "I can't trust GMOs because Monsanto is bad" essentially focuses on the wrong issue. Monsanto is bad because its ETHICS are bad (predatory litigation against non-customers, monopolizing seed available to farmers, special treatment from the govt, etc.), but GMOs, the *science* behind altering and crossbreeding crops for better yields or pest resistance, doesn't have a morality and can be used just as much to save people from famine as it can to put profits in pockets.

But it's that initial emotional reaction you have to get past before you can make someone understand why context matters.

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u/ratinthecellar Apr 28 '22

So you're saying People magazine isn't proper research?

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u/AnnieAcely199 Moderna Gave Me My 🧲 Personality✨🎆✨ Apr 28 '22

Nah, you have to corroborate it with Facebook memes or it's less conclusive.

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u/HermanCainsGhost Resident Poltergeist Apr 28 '22

I've seen plenty of memes that were essentially, "I'm sure you'll ask for a source, and it won't be good enough for X, Y, Z reason" - basically putting down the concept of source vetting entirely - even though frequently when you ask for a source, the quality of the source is important too.

Like, if I am quoting Nature and you're quoting patriotfreedom832.xyz, there's maybe a discrepancy in the quality of our sources.

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u/toterra Apr 28 '22

What doesn't help is that the better the source, the less confident the results appear. One BS stud might declare 'Vaccines cause blood clots killing you!!!' with 100% confidence. Meanwhile an actual study will have confidence factors, probabilities, disclaimers, stated assumptions, etc. So it will be like 'you have a 0.3% chance of saving your life by taking the vaccine.'.

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u/Dzugavili Apr 28 '22

Like, if I am quoting Nature and you're quoting patriotfreedom832.xyz, there's maybe a discrepancy in the quality of our sources.

The issue is that Elsevier has very few issues publishing work from the anti-vaccine academic faction.

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u/Balldogs Apr 28 '22

Of course, that's how cults work. The very first thing they do is tell you that you can't trust the ony source of information that can actually tell you what's really going on, in this case science. One you've stopped the flow of facts, you're then free to fill them up with the alternatives without question.

The process is so much easier to do with those who have already been primed like this by fundamentalist religion.

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u/Crafty-Ad-6772 Apr 28 '22

There are a few "peer reviewed journals" out there that imitate legit journals and sell space just so that nutters have something to cite. Jordan Harbinger had an episode about it and had a few red flags to look for e.g. articles that are pages long or very similar names to actual accepted journals...

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u/Alissinarr Apr 28 '22

The tangerine bloviator banned scientists from speaking publicly about global warming.

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u/csonnich Apr 28 '22

Let's not give him too much credit. George W. was censoring EPA reports a decade before Cheeto Mussolini ever got his grubby little hands on them.

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u/Crafty-Ad-6772 Apr 28 '22

After Lancet published the infamous autism-vax article from the doctor who was trying to sell staggered vaccines so that he could have more office visits and money, things took off. Lancet retracted and corrected ASAP, doctors who signed his "research" were quick to say that they were lied to, and the study turned out to be 10 kids w known autism. Requirements and vetting became more extreme for all journals, to hopefully avoid it from repeating. The doctor was sentenced to prison and stripped of his license, but all these years later we are still feeling the repercussions even though enough time and studies have been done to show that there is no link. Many parents of challenged children want to have something to blame; anything except perhaps nature or some fault of their own. Also the number of fake journals that sell space has been increasing, but someone who doesn't know the names of any real journals or the red flags will not know that it is all false BS.

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u/elchupinazo Apr 28 '22

Nurses are in a particularly weird place. They have far more medical knowledge than a layperson, but that in no way carries over to immunology/epidemiology. The problem is that many of them don't know/won't acknowledge that. So if they have even the slightest inkling of skepticism/conspiratorialism in them, they're going to find "research" that justifies their skepticism no matter what. Then they'll turn around and say "look I'm a nurse so I obviously know what I'm talking about" while citing pure fiction.

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u/AntiTheory Team Moderna Apr 28 '22

"Doing research" is just code these days for Googling using a very specific set of search terms to yield results that confirm your own biases. They type into a search engine "Covid vaccine deaths" and get tens of thousands of hits, and they think "OMG, this vaccine must be dangerous if this much info is out there on it."

This is why it's absolutely crucial to have social media giants be responsible for stopping the spread of disinformation by flagging content with warnings and linking to actually trustworthy sources of information. A person might see something that says they'll have their DNA altered or whatever, but if there's a link at the bottom that says "click here for COVID-19 vaccine information", there's at least a chance that they can escape the downward spiral into conspiracy theory bullshit.

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u/Bone_Syrup 🦆 Apr 28 '22

Research = watched a video and/or podcast

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u/Sokobanky Apr 28 '22

Almost nobody who says they’re “doing research” on COVID is actually doing research. Most people are just reading whatever articles they see in their little social media bubble.

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u/Jay-Dee-British Schrödinger's Prayer warrior Apr 28 '22

My oldest brother is an MD - he, way before covid, used to get on my case if I said I had 'researched' something. And I was actually reading the research papers (very boring for non scientists btw unless there is a meta that summarizes a bunch of different papers - and had to keep looking up words as I, unlike my siblings, am not in the medical field). He always said 'No, you did reading, THEY did the research'.

I'm glad this lady is getting vaxed though - and now we also know her doctors DID tell her to get it done, despite her disabilities.

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u/Rubydelayne Team Pfizer Apr 28 '22

Reading research papers, compiling them, and publishing a summary (even with your own analysis) is called a literature review in the academic community. After these last two years and the prevalence of social media "researchers" , my new soap box is to stop called the papers we write in high school and college "research" papers when then are in fact literature reviews. Could prevent the new generations from misusing the word and therefore believing that they are doing something that they are not.

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u/Tiggeribby Team Moderna Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

My friend got Covid in around October 2021. He was a casual MAGAt (only online as far as I can tell; we’d been friends for 10 years pre-Covid) and we knew each other both irl and online.

Anyway, he never had to be on the vent but he was on a bipap for 2+ weeks in the ICU. His docs told him to get the vax, preferably an mRNA one, in 90 days. I’m a (retired) doc too so he asked my opinion; I told him my bf and I got our second primary dose in April 2021. We even got our first boosters before he could even get shot 1. Just got our second boosters a few days ago (Monday).

Anyway friend did fine, doesn’t appear to have long Covid, and has had 2 mRNA doses. But he refused to announce it on social media because he’d been talking so proudly about avoiding the “Fauci Ouchie” that he was afraid ppl would be mad at him for changing his mind. WELL WOULD THEY RATHER YOU BE DEAD JERRY??? I do hope he backs down with the extremism after this. I think he’s due for a booster in June; I’ll have to remind him.

EDIT: Friend was 3 weeks from turning 60 when he got sick. He has DM type 2, obesity, and bad lungs from working in Las Vegas casinos (all allow smoking) for 30+ years (fortunately he got an inheritance and was able to retire). He didn’t think he was high risk. My bf and I are 55 and 58. We are slightly overweight but have no other comorbidities.

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u/Tiggeribby Team Moderna Apr 28 '22

Sadly. In person he is fun to be with but his online rants are too much.

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u/myrmayde Apr 28 '22

I think that most of them aren't even reading very much. They're listening to podcasts or watching YouTube videos.

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u/NoMoreBeGrieved Apr 28 '22

Headlines only, likely.

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u/AlsoRandomRedditor Team Pfizer Apr 28 '22

This ^^^ headlines and pictures.

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper Apr 28 '22

Headline: "<right wing pundit here> Questions the Safety of Vaccines."

Picture: Syringe with sharp needle and scary purple/black background.

Karen: "Yep. I've done my own research now!"

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u/godwins_law_34 Apr 28 '22

Don't forget half the time the "syringe" is really a mechanical pipette, a lab syringe, or some other totally inappropriately sized equipment to be intentionally misleading.

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u/Balldogs Apr 28 '22

Please, those videos will be on Bitchute, YouTube will have removed them.

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u/AgentEntropy Apr 28 '22

I'm a guy sitting in a chair, so I've done extensive research.

For example, the vaccine isn't a fetus-based 5G tracker (made by Gates and Soros) with a 100% fatality rate in the first year.

Not a lot of people know that.

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u/mr_john_steed Apr 28 '22

Wait, what??? I want my money back, then!

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u/AgentEntropy Apr 28 '22

Wait, what??? I want my money back, then!

Bill Gates & George Soros: no

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u/Longjumping-Ideal-83 Apr 28 '22

For real, that seemed like a total face-saving ploy. But what the hell, at least now she believes it won't alter her DNA and turn her into a lizard. That's some progress, at least.

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u/Mysterious_Status_11 Stick a fork in Meatloaf🍴 Apr 28 '22

I can't believe this person is a nurse. That is truly frightening.

Nevertheless, I am grateful she decided to get vaxxed. I've heard the vaccine sometimes eases some long covid symptoms in some people. I hope she is one of the lucky ones.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

It's crazy that there are so many nurses like this!

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u/Ihaveamazingdreams Apr 28 '22

It's been brought up before on here, but nursing is one of the approved professions for right-wing, religious women, since it's traditionally a "women's job" and has been accepted for such a long time.

They may have to do a lot of schooling, but they are still watching right-wing news at home, trying to fit in with their facebook friends, and going to church every week.

It's weird watching them try so hard to be anti-science while their career is supposed to be science-based.

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u/TehG0vernment Apr 28 '22

no way she did any research

"I googled my fan fiction".

Or more likely, she has a lot of idiot friends who spread a lot of misinformation and she ignored everyone she worked with in the hospital telling her otherwise.

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u/IDreamOfSailing Apr 28 '22

"I did my research" is a term used extensively by conspiracy theory nutcases. Its almost a dogwhistle.

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u/Hipposapien Apr 28 '22

She did her research enough to know that the vaccine "only" reduces symptoms, hospitalization, and death. Which seems good enough for me to conclude that she should've taken it. I don't know what else she was looking for. It's absurd.

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u/Hipposapien Apr 28 '22

Plus if she was one of those anti-scientist people, she also had the most basic evidence in front of her - her vaccinated husband didn't catch an extremely contagious virus from his wife.

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u/SupremeRDDT Apr 28 '22

That‘s to be expected. I‘m quite sure that even the people that hold opinions that are clearly backed by scientific consensus rarely do „real research“. And usually people shouldn‘t have to do that unless they wanna convince people of their views.

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u/cryssyx3 Apr 28 '22

"it causes blood clots and only reduces symptoms, hospitalizations and death!!"

yeah I guess that probably wouldn't have helped her situation at all /s

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u/1Sluggo Apr 28 '22

I’m having a hard time believing that someone who was on ECMO for months, a ventilator, hand contractures, who barely a month out of the hospital gets a different strain, has had pneumonia every month since, who admits the rest of the family is vaxed and remained healthy is a nurse let alone did any research.

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u/Sokobanky Apr 28 '22

“Nurse” these days can mean anything from a 2 year certificate that isn’t even an associate’s degree to a PhD.

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u/1Sluggo Apr 28 '22

I’ve known CNAs and LPNs call themselves nurses. I shouldn’t drag LPNs, they at least have some training, although in my state you can do an accelerated 10 month course.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

You can drag some of them. My OBGYNs LPN guilted me on multiple occasions for taking the full dose of my prescription antiemetic for severe vomiting. She tried to convince me it was harmful to the baby. It isn’t.

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u/1Sluggo Apr 28 '22

That’s what happens when you don’t get the full course for RN or BSN.

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u/kittenmommy Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

I shouldn’t drag LPNs

No you shouldn't. I had a mole removed from my earlobe a few months ago, and an awesome LPN did the Novocaine injections. She made sure I was fucking numbed up so I didn't feel a thing, and then she talked me down when I started freaking out because I could hear the scalpel scraping... 😬

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u/bokononpreist Apr 28 '22

I had a cyst removed from my earlobe and holy shit the sound was crazy.

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u/Elizabitch4848 Apr 28 '22

LPNs are nurses (licensed practical nurse) and can legally call themselves that. CNAs are not.

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u/Just2Breathe Covid: Calling your bluff 🃏Denying your prayers 🙏🏻 Apr 28 '22

It is a little “all that, and more!” isn’t it. Especially the part about vaccine not being 100% effective, just good at reducing hospitalization and death, as if that’s not enough.

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u/AlsoRandomRedditor Team Pfizer Apr 28 '22

as if that’s not enough.

Or at least better than the alternative...

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u/Dr_smell Apr 28 '22

Can't walk but then mentions she needs special things for her shoes?
Can't move her hands at all but mentions she lysols the whole house when her kids get home.
Which is it?

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u/Just2Breathe Covid: Calling your bluff 🃏Denying your prayers 🙏🏻 Apr 28 '22

Types really well for someone with damaged lungs and fingers, who should be getting months of rehab. Great punctuation, capitalization, and clarity in narration. It’s a little perfect for me. Guess I’ve read too many of these posts, my inner cynic has been triggered.

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u/HappyGoPink Apr 28 '22

If the last few years have taught me anything, it's that the medical field has some really stupid people on the payroll. Not a majority by any means, but enough of a minority to give me pause.

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u/1Sluggo Apr 28 '22

No lies there.

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u/Uranium_Heatbeam Team Moderna Apr 28 '22

Yeah. As satisfying as it would be for such a foolish and dangerous person to live in pained agony for the rest of their life, the details of her OP simply don't add up. This woman was telling stories.

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u/MattGdr Apr 28 '22

She has done extensive research…but seems to have changed her mind awfully quickly. It’s like the brainwashing disappeared in a puff of smoke.

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u/peppermintesse Vax yo self FFS 💉 Apr 28 '22

It appears her initial post was from March 30th and the comments are from today (~4 hours ago?). I guess that's quick, but it's not 'same day' quick.

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u/MattGdr Apr 28 '22

This long into the pandemic any shift this dramatic is pretty quick. I wonder how her husband would explain her transformation.

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u/angelorphan Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

What we want to know here is how she (and what friends families around her did) managed to disappear the brainwashing.

She's a lucky one.

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u/Titus_Favonius Apr 28 '22

Spending over two months in one of those things she mentioned (basically an upright hospital bed IIRC) and being almost completely incapacitated from COVID while her vaccinated family members are totally fine and unaffected probably did a lot to change her mind too

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u/my3boysmyworld Apr 28 '22

I did a facepalm to the “I’m a nurse so I did some pretty extensive research… vaccine doesn’t alter the DNA”. I don’t think I want her as my nurse anytime soon since it took her THIS long to realize this.

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u/InadmissibleHug Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

Yeah, I’m a RN and it took me less time (read:none) to realise it didn’t alter my DNA

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u/InadmissibleHug Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

Look, man- your heart’s gonna race after 10 vodka redbulls. I don’t make the rules.

(Pls don’t drink 10 vodka redbulls)

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u/savpunk Apr 28 '22

Don't worry. She'll never work again.

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u/CanadianPanda76 Apr 28 '22

I did Zero research and I already knew that. I must be a genius.

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u/Matasa89 Vaxxed for the Plot Armour Apr 28 '22

Yeah, I don't even have a nursing degree or anything... but I understand that mRNA isn't going to go into the nucleus. It's just gonna be read by the ribosomes and then degrade.

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u/feverdoggomemr Apr 28 '22

Stop with the fancy talk hippie. Go back to France.

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u/MadBeachLui Ivermectin tuna helper 🦄 Apr 28 '22

and then degrade

But there's some secret only facebook wants you to know that a doctor found every organ in a patients body full of spike proteins!!!!!!!

Even though the vaccine has nothing close to a whole copy of a spike protein

Oh and graphene contamination that causes micro slices in every blood vessel

You just can only battle so much disinformation in one person's head.

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u/Ipayforsex69 Likes plants, not people Apr 28 '22

I would've slept a little better knowing she wasn't vaccinated.

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u/GarlicDogeOP Apr 28 '22

I honestly don’t know the last time I cringed as hard as I did when I read that

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u/ThatOneGrayCat Go Give One Apr 28 '22

Good for her for finally doing it. It's a shame it took her almost dying from covid and developing severe disabilities to get her to vaccinate. I hope she's able to recover use of her knees and hands.

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u/substandardpoodle Schrödinger’s Bounce Apr 28 '22

Plus I remember reading an awful lot of press last year saying that after being vaccinated some people with long Covid were getting a bit of relief from their symptoms.

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u/InadmissibleHug Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

The hands and knees are more from months of inactivity though, rather than pure long covid symptoms

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u/ThatOneGrayCat Go Give One Apr 28 '22

A friend of mine who has an immune disorder ended up on a ventilator and in a medically induced coma after she got covid (despite being vaccinated... you know how hard it goes on people with serious medical conditions). She still has quite a bit of physical disability and even though she's making good progress and is expected to fully recover at some point in the future, it's a LONG and very difficult process. In her case, most of her disability in one arm and leg comes from the position her limbs had to be in while she was proned on the ventilator. Basically, having her arms and legs wedged into a particular position for days and days destroyed her nerves in those limbs, and now the nerves have to regenerate, which takes for-freaking-ever.

It's a frustrating process. I really feel for her and all she's going through. Glad she made it, though.

This is why I get so disgusted by the people who scoff at covid with its 98% survival rate (or whatever). My friend survived, but she's going to be fucked up for years. She literally can't use one arm at all and she can walk like 10 feet before she just collapses, and 10 feet is a huge improvement over where she was before. The woman in this post is going to be in a similar boat for years. Yeah, they survived, but *waves hands around at everything*

N.B.: All her medical caretakers told her that her lungs actually did pretty well, compared to most ICU patients they saw... and that the vaccine was the only reason why she survived at all. The virus went really hard on her pretty much nonexistent immune system, but her lungs recovered very quickly compared to non-vaccinated patients (and almost all the non-vaxed patients who were in the ICU with her died).

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u/sigtrap Public Displays of Vaccination💟 Apr 28 '22

They’re also not 100% effective

Why do these people think in such absolutes? “It’s not 100% effective so what’s the point of getting it?” Contraceptives aren’t 100% effective either so let’s just forget about those too.

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u/Bosco215 Apr 28 '22

My mom brought that up as one reason she was hesitant. I showed her that almost every other vaccine she has isn't 100% effective. That changed her mind.

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u/Tiggeribby Team Moderna Apr 28 '22

She’s not remembering every dose in the initial childhood series (DTaP is 5 doses plus one Tdap during each pregnancy and/or every 7-10 years to mainly prevent Tetanus from injuries, rotavirus is 2-3 doses, HiB is 3-4 doses, Pneumonia is 4, Polio is 3, MMR is 2, Hep A is 2, HPV is 2-3 depending on recipient’s age, Zoster is 2 doses, Shingrix - to prevent shingles in patients who had chicken pox earlier in life - is also two doses)

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u/HermanCainsGhost Resident Poltergeist Apr 28 '22

Yeah, for some reason they read, "not 100% effective" as "0% effective"

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u/Lilmaggot Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

Right? For a nurse, she’s not very scientific thinking. In any case, she’s getting the jab, thank Zeus.

Edit- a word.

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u/sysop073 Apr 28 '22

The vaccine also doesn't kill 100% of the people who take it, so what is she worried about?

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u/NMB4Christmas Everybody's an ass kicker, until they get their ass kicked Apr 28 '22

How much you wanna bet she raw dogs?

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u/TrashSea1485 Apr 28 '22

"The vaccine doesn't alter DNA"........are you kidding. As a nurse, THIS is the conspiracy you picked. You could have picked ANY other one. Good for her, but come on

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Apr 28 '22

It's silly that this freaks people out so much, anyway. If a vaccine really did alter my DNA in a helpful way, to make me resistant to a pathogen, I'd be on board. Our DNA isn't special. It's constantly mutating, the mutations pile up the older we get, and quite a few of them are not beneficial.

Heck, I'm looking forward to medicine that lets us edit our DNA (especially if we can fix the random junk changes that come with aging).

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u/Yasea Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

Our DNA isn't special. It's constantly mutating,

And modified by some viruses.

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u/TrashSea1485 Apr 28 '22

Whaaaat I didn't know that!

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Apr 28 '22

Yep. In fact, there's some evidence that there's sort of a critical number of mutations that determines an animal's lifespan, with longer-lived species accruing mutations more slowly, but all animals ending up with more or less the same number when they hit their old age.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Apr 28 '22

Or, in this case, a "hold off on going to Jesus for a while" talk.

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u/Screw_Coinbase1 Jabba mah butt Apr 28 '22

Good for her but it's a shame it took this long. "There are a lot of myths about vaccines out there..."

No shit.

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u/FailedGrandmaster Apr 28 '22

"But didya know my extensive research (I'm a medical professional!) found that it DOESN'T alter your DNA, as we all thought? Boom...mind blown!"

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u/mothermucca It’s just a COVID Apr 28 '22

My guess was her research was a come to Jesus meeting with her cardiologist. But whatever it takes, I’m happy for her.

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u/ggarciaryan An Actual Prayer Warrior-Verified Apr 28 '22

2+ years of research to come to the same conclusion as every nursing and physician organization

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u/feverdoggomemr Apr 28 '22

Are you saying peer reviews aren't important? /s

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u/kittenmommy Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

I'm glad she's getting vaccinated, but OMG A FUCKING NURSE SHOULD KNOW THAT VACCINES DON'T ALTER YOUR DNA!!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Sorry for shouting. I just can't anymore.

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u/gamingthrowawway2021 Team Pfizer Apr 28 '22

I blame Murdoch media and religious zeal in the US for this. The US needs to establish cultural secularism as law quickly and stop Murdoch media too.

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u/rwoj Apr 28 '22

gonna call bullshit on the research but i feel results oriented. good for her making the right choice. eventually.

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u/ltmkji Go fund yourself Apr 28 '22

nah, she definitely researched. being on an ECMO for 68 days was clearly field work.

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u/rwoj Apr 28 '22

a month in the field saves a day in the library

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u/redvariation Winner winner COVID dinner 🍽️ Apr 28 '22

Hell, even her family is vaxxed but she's still scared of it.

After what she went through, I don't see how the vax could be scary.

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u/purpleturtlehurtler Apr 28 '22

I always like a happy ending.

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u/AliensProbably Team Mix & Match Apr 28 '22

> and I have a greater percentage <sic> of dying from getting Covid again than from the vaccination.

Oh sweetie, that was always the case.

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u/CrystalCat420 Apr 28 '22

So between 30 March, when she penned the "I can't decide" post, and 27 April, when she announces her vax appointment, she finally did some research.

Delta and ECMO from July '21 to December '21, and Omicron in January '22 weren't enough up-close-and-personal research for this woman???

On 30 March, she pleads, "Has anyone been vaccinated that can give me some insight?" And on 27 April she smugly states, "I’m a nurse so I did some pretty extensive research" in the same post.

Makes me dizzy.

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u/Nyssa_aquatica Present Company Excluded Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

It seems clear she had an appointment with her cardiologist who (in one manner or another) told her she needs to get vaxed or risk early death.

The clues are there if you look. The relatively abrupt turnaround, the mention of doctors all “clearing” her to get the vaccine (like oh COME ON), and I would guess that phrase she uses “there are a lot of myths out there about the shot” is practically a direct quote from her cardiologist.

Also she probably thought the pandemic would be “over“ at some point, but now it seems pretty obvious that new variants are going to keep rising and having smaller or larger waves of infection again and again. So I think some people who put off and put off and put off vaccination (thinking that they could sneak through the pandemic and let everyone else get sick), now seeing the continuing variant waves, they might go in and get the shot

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u/AlexS101 Apr 28 '22

I'm a nurse so I did some pretty extensive research.

Oh shut the fuck up you moron.

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u/dresn231 Apr 28 '22

That's good, but the sad thing is that COVID has done tremendous damage to her especially being on a ventilator for over 2 months and being on ECMO. She's sadly a walking dead wo(man). This person is probably in pain all the time. I mean at least she's getting the shot, but sadly for her health it's too late even with modern medicine.

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u/grateful-biped Apr 28 '22

Better late than never

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u/blerrycat Apr 28 '22

Whoop woot!

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u/Perigee-Apogee Get the Jabby-Jabby Apr 28 '22

Hooray!!!!

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u/FistofanAngryGoddess If I didn't want them shorn, I wouldn't have made them sheep Apr 28 '22

I’m glad to hear this! Better late than never!

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Apr 28 '22

Better Nate than lever! 🐍

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u/AntEmotional5704 Blood Donor 🩸 Apr 28 '22

maybe she's just a drama queen. after all she just got two HCA posts in one day

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u/YessCubanB Team Unicorn Blood 🦄 Apr 28 '22

I'm a nurse, so I did some pretty extensive research.

That's something that could've (and should've) been done by the Fall of 2021. Definitely by the end of 2021 that latest.

Anyway glad she changed her mind, and I hope she can now help educate others.

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u/boiledRender COVID is no joke! Apr 28 '22

Or like, when the vaccines were first on the market, or after she caught it the first time, or around the time the husband and kids got jabbed. I guess she was too busy with important stuff like freaking out on Facebook and struggling to breath.

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u/WillDissolver Apr 28 '22

I mean she missed her window to do any "researching" in 2021 by being hospitalized for 6 months.

So now she wants to get vaxxed after her family, who are all vaxxed and haven't gotten sick, have now accrued a medical bill in the literal millions of dollars and are financially ruined, and she is permanently disabled and an immense burden on them.

She's bankrupted them, created generational poverty for her children, turned her family into involuntary caretakers, ruined her own health and career, and done so all while they did the responsible thing to prevent those exact outcomes.

And now she wants to be vaxxed.

Slow clap bravo! For an encore does she also tell her husband "you feel emotionally unavailable"?

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u/AlienRosie Apr 28 '22

They're not 100% effective. They only reduce symptoms, hospitalization need, and death.

"Only" 🙄 That's the whole point of the vaccine. Vaccines are NOT a cure, they're preventative. I'm so tired of this brain dead narrative.

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u/ReactsWithWords Apr 28 '22

Seat belts don’t prevent crashes so you shouldn’t wear them.

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u/Doumtabarnack Apr 28 '22

I'm a nurse so I did some pretty extensive research

As a nurse and NP student, I can tell that is fucking bullshit. Many nurses simply don't have enough scientific education to do their research accurately and interpret scientific data correctly. That is especially true of older nurses and less true of younger nurses.

There is a paradigm shift that took place a few years back where young nurses are acquiring higher scientific skills and knowledge and old nurses are not doing any continuous training to catch up. They most often bank on the practical skills they acquired during their years of experience and shunned theoritical knowledge that they feel isn't relevant to their practice.

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u/MeatlegProductions 🐴 🧲 Magnetic Horse Paste Warrior 🧲 🐴 Apr 28 '22

How can you be a NURSE and not understand that vaccines can NOT alter your DNA, and that viruses CAN alter your DNA?!?!?

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u/sleet01 Apr 28 '22

LOL at "I nearly died multiple times, I can't bend most of my joints, I've definitely lost some brain mass due to hypoxia, and I was on Ultimate Life Support for months... but the vaccine is sooo scary!!"

Like, what, did she think the vaccine could in any way match that?

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u/Schmaltzlikah When Urine - You’re Out! Apr 28 '22

The Vaccine Whisperer

well done sir or madam!

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u/LovesReubens Apr 28 '22

"They only reduce symptoms, hospitalization need, and death."

I mean, that's pretty much the point of a vaccine. I suppose she's talking about how they don't always prevent contracting the virus...

But preventing hospitalization, symptoms, And death sounds pretty fucking good.

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u/h4xrk1m Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

I sincerely hope that a nurse already knew that the vaccine doesn't alter DNA.

That's a bit like your car mechanic worrying that changing your tires will make the engine block turn into aluminium, or maybe that parking a hybrid in your garage is going to replace all the concrete with sandalwood. Reaching these conclusions and seriously worrying about them is laughable for a layman, but downright stupid for a professional.

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u/hexen_vixen Apr 28 '22

Why did she ever think it would alter her DNA.

Sweetie, for you, that might be an upgrade.

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u/3spaghettis Triple vaxxed beats double pneumonia Apr 28 '22

Love how the other commenter was gently probing her about her news sources.

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u/Babsee Apr 28 '22

And she never answered 🤔

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u/BeanstalkBabe Apr 28 '22

“[the vaccines] only reduce symptoms, hospitalisation need, and death”

Only????? I don’t know about you but not dying and not going to hospital sound like pretty good outcomes

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u/ccrom Team Bivalent Booster Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

Hat tip to u/CrystalCat420 for letting me know.

And sorry for being inconsistent with the colors. The scared and confused nurse is purple in slide 1 and blue in slide 2.

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u/bogdutts Team AstraZeneca Apr 28 '22

kudos to the husband and child for inspiring her too

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u/Dramatically_Average Chicks dig those little pricks Apr 28 '22

Regardless of her lousy "research," I'm glad she gets her redemption award. With all the attention this sub has generated, it's hard to convince people that many here want nothing more than for this sub to have no reason to exist. It warms my cockles every time someone overcomes their fear or distrust and trusts the science.

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u/Marauding_Pedant Apr 28 '22

The scary part is that a nurse believed that DNA stuff at some point.

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u/pthomas745 Apr 28 '22

"I did my research."

"I read the Herman Cain Awards over on Reddit and realized I sound like so many of those fools who died."

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u/Renegade7559 Apr 28 '22

I love how she keeps repeating she's a nurse like it means she fucking knows anything

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u/CreamyLinguineGenie Apr 28 '22

The fact that she even thought for a second that the vaccine could alter your DNA makes me hope she changes career paths.

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u/blujavelin Spiteful Fucktard Apr 28 '22

IMO, not smart enough to be a nurse.

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u/pastfuturewriter Team Moderna Apr 28 '22

So, she was a nurse who gave no shits at all about her patients and now is giving shit about herself. Well, I'm glad she is finally getting the vax, but I hope she stays out of professions where she is in control of peoples' health because she is still willfully ignorant and stupid.

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u/Everybodysbastard Apr 28 '22

I’m glad she wised up and is making a smart play to be there for her family. I do wish she’d done it sooner but better late than never.

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u/itsDEE4 Apr 28 '22

Gotta celebrate these wins!

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u/Lumpy_Intention9823 Apr 28 '22

It took her this long to understand the DNA myth? Wow.

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u/davechri Apr 28 '22

Good for her. But talk about a SLOW LEARNER. Even after all this this says "I have a greater percentage of dying from getting Covid again than from the vaccination." No shit. SLOOWWWWWW.

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u/AliceP00per Apr 28 '22

Being scared is one thing, being an absolute fucking douchebag about it is a completely different story

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u/stormstormstorms Apr 28 '22

It seems to me that nursing school needs to spend more time on vaccines, how they are made and how they work. This level of ignorance from any medical profession is scary and appalling.

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u/mmps901 Hunter Biden's Deep State Nanobot Apr 28 '22

Well I’m glad she’s finally showing some reason

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u/PenaltyPractical1908 Punish me!!!! Apr 28 '22

This has to be a joke…

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Apr 28 '22

Couple of billion people around the world are fly vaxxed and she's still scared?

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u/Stellar_Codex Apr 28 '22

First time I have seen anyone say they're going to "do their research" and that they went away and actually checked an informed source.

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u/SleepDeprivedUserUK Apr 28 '22

Whilst this place is great for general bemusement at the ignorant masses dying slowly, with lubed tubes up their arseholes and up their cockslits, this, this is what I come here for.

People realising they made a mistake, and getting protected.

It's like someone realising that, sure, you might not crash your car, sure you might not get blasted through your windshield, sure you might not die, but wearing a seatbelt is just so much easier.

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u/SkipEyechild Apr 28 '22

Good that she is getting it done.

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u/Some-Ad3087 Team Moderna Apr 28 '22

They (vaccines) only reduce symptoms, hospitalization need, and death.

That's all?

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u/MacheteMaelee Apr 28 '22

Good for her.

But also: she's a nurse and *just* learned that it doesn't alter DNA?

Someone slept through biology, immunology, microbiology....

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u/artisanrox Cainproofed against the Omicrunk💉 Apr 28 '22

"I was on life support for three months, but I dunno......the vax scares me."

On one hand I'm glad this is a redemption, but on the other hand........🤦

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u/wuzzittoya Just for the Cookies 🍪 Apr 28 '22

So glad to hear it! Almost wondering how nurses can not understand the way the vaccine works. 🙁

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u/chaoticmessiah Team AstraZeneca Apr 28 '22

Yeah, I simply can't understand how anyone who works in the medical field can choose to not take a vaccine, considering how many are required in the past decade for even receptionists in case they contract anything.

Half of my family worked for the NHS at some point in their lives, and I've known others who do through them. None of them can figure out why US doctors and nurses still have their jobs if they refuse to get jabbed like the rest of us. It's like being a fat slob with no interest in exercise but getting a job as a personal trainer, or a vegan working in a slaughterhouse or as a butcher.

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u/cptnpiccard Apr 28 '22

I'm a nurse (x8)

Thinks vaccines alter DNA

DOES NOT COMPUTE

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u/samanime Apr 28 '22

Anytime someone mentions it "changing DNA" I'm like "tell me you know nothing about medicine and biology without telling me you know nothing about medicine and biology"...

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Apr 28 '22

She obvi saw my commentary regarding this most unfortunate situation.

I serve the people. 😇

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

Heartbreaking to read how scared and confused she was. Conspiracy peddlers and Fox News are to blame. We didn’t have ALL of the answers, but we had enough to keep the terror at bay by understanding a bit of what was going on.