r/HermanCainAward Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

Texas man refused vaccine and loved sharing COVID misinformation. He died back in September 2021, but his story has taken on a new twist as, today, his widow blames, yep, you guessed it, the hospital for his death. She also states they need to be held accountable for their “Crimes against humanity.” Awarded

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u/bErinGPleNty Because Other People Matter Too Jul 24 '22

No lady, it wasn't the hospital that put him on a "death protocol." He did that himself.

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u/KittenWithaWhip68 Jul 24 '22

Also, it’s possible he was such a pain in the ass, stupid, aggressive fuck to all the staff at the hospitals (along with her), maybe they were NOT sorry for her loss. I’d just be relieved I did not have to deal with this stubborn asshole patient and his entitled demanding Karen wife ever again.

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u/Benedictus84 Jul 24 '22

As a nurse i can tell you that in september 2021 a lot of empathy was gone. People dying became a normal thing. Even the non asshole patiënts got none. There just wasnt any left.

There also often was no time to feel sorry because the next patiënt was already lining up to die.

As a non healthcare worker it is often hard to understand what is happening in a hospital.

She just interprets everything from the darkest thoughts possible. The bruises, people sitting around, restraints. Just because she is unable to admit that they did this to themselfs.

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u/beek7419 Jul 24 '22

Every time I’m in the hospital, even for just a few days, not in the ICU, I come out looking like someone beat the crap out of me. Bruises everywhere. IVs, blood draws, and heparin shots are all multiple times a day occurrences that leave bruising. I can’t imagine how beat up people who are literally on life support look. This lady is an idiot and her husband killed himself.

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u/Benedictus84 Jul 24 '22

The problem is that these people don't want to understand. Again this is probably because that would mean admitting that they were wrong. If they would just ask. But probably they already show up having their mind made up.

They also cannot understand that even if her husband was the biggest asshole ever on that ICU that they would have given him the same level of care as anybody else. Only because they would not and they can't do anything else but project.

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u/wsnc13 Jul 24 '22

These people are exactly like my mother, brothers, husband, his brother, actually most people in my "family." None of them have ever admitted they were wrong about anything. Once my mother tried to be sincere trying to apologize for "one" of her fuck ups. I told her to stop trying.

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u/A-man-of-mystery Covidious Albion Jul 25 '22

You're right: they don't want to understand because they don't want to admit they're wrong.

They also don't appreciate that healthcare professionals are exactly that: they will be professional regardless of what they think of you personally, because that's their job.

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u/wsnc13 Jul 24 '22

You are as I have been for the past 15 months. I still have dark bruises on my belly where they gave me the heparin and insulin 2 1/2 weeks ago. Type 2 well controlled, but vomiting as I was they had to give me something to keep from a spike. The IV site as well as the blood draws and those pesky finger sticks bruise, clear up within a week or so.

I concur this woman is an idiot and her husband killed himself.

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u/tomdurkin Jul 24 '22

Exactly. Suicide by COVID

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jul 24 '22

That’s the damned truth. The last time I went in for A-fib I emerged 24 hours later looking like some wise guys whipped my ass.

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u/TroublemakingB Jul 24 '22

But golly gosh she said there were hardly any other patients, and the nurses were just sitting around chitchatting (ignore that big spike in Sept. '21 that had an average of 90k+ people a week hospitalized). I bet they even had time to do each others' nails.

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u/justrock54 Jul 24 '22

They were doing TOENAILS. That nurse didn't take her shoe off because her feet were bleeding from running around for 16 hours. She was getting a pedicure. Jungle Red.

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u/wsnc13 Jul 24 '22

Thank you for being a nurse. In Sept 2021 I had a recurrence of pancreatitis, had to go to the ED to get stabilized. The ICU was packed with covid patients, the ED was stacked with many of us non covid patients. I was kinda admitted, spent 36 hours in a recliner, parked next to the nurses station, hooked up to monitors/IV. The nurses/techs were the best people I could have care for me. Even as exhausted/frustrated as they were, they provide 5 star care. A bed opened for me early afternoon, but I was stable enough that I had a choice, I left. I wrote to the hospital corp/my medicare people/as well as the ED department for the outstanding care they provide under the circumstances.

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u/FearSkyDaddy Biological Ware Fare Jul 24 '22

If they had zero foxes given to get a vaccine, empathy may have been in short supply

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u/covidboosterhaveI 🍖🍑🌳 Jul 24 '22

Yeah, the first couple of slides laid out exactly what type of patient he was - a big in the ass, hitting the call button every 5 minutes.

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u/HarmonyQuinn1618 🦆 Jul 24 '22

Yeah, they wouldn’t restrain him for no reason.

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u/litreofstarlight Jul 24 '22

Or hide his phone.

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u/survivor2bmaybe Jul 24 '22

My husband was on a ventilator for heart surgery. They had to leave it in him for a while in recovery in case he showed signs of internal bleeding and had to be rushed back in to surgery. You better believe they restrained him because his first thought when he attained minimal consciousness was to rip that damn tube out of his throat.

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u/HarmonyQuinn1618 🦆 Jul 24 '22

Wow, I was still vented when I came out of my open heart surgery. I remember waking up with a vent, and them taking it out, I don’t remember being restrained but it’s slightly foggy.

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u/survivor2bmaybe Jul 24 '22

They restrained him after he reached for it, not prior to him awakening. Some people must not or they’d restrain automatically.

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jul 24 '22

And it’s an entirely natural response. Ask any HC professional. It happens.

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u/wsnc13 Jul 24 '22

Chances are you are spot on. My husband is a dick as a patient too. He is one of those that lies about how much he drinks, what he eats, blah, blah, blah. He shut me out of his medical issues years ago. I feel sorry for the caregivers that have to deal with assholes like my husband.

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u/Chasman1965 Jul 24 '22

That was my thought. This family was such a PITA that the staff didn't care beyond the minimum.

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u/mmps901 Team Pfizer Jul 24 '22

It’s like they forget why he went in the hospital to begin with

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u/covidboosterhaveI 🍖🍑🌳 Jul 24 '22

Yup and she his willing partner. Probably hoping to get some money for a new double-wide. Or at least replace the cinder blocks.

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u/rmads1983 Jul 24 '22

It’s really sad seeing these people back as early as April 2020 trying to compare flu deaths to Covid deaths & using that as a valid excuse to avoid health protocol. The Covid virus was just warming up.

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u/filthyheartbadger 🐴Ivermectin Teabag☕️ Jul 24 '22

I still remember the spouse of a patient in 5/20 who looked me in the eye snd said “I don’t think I believe all this covid stuff”. I told him there were patients about 100 ft down the hall that would make a believer out of him. He just shuffled out the door.

I now realize that was my first clue into how crazy it would get. I no longer am surprised by any of this. Just saddened. If we had had universal health care in the US I think this distrust of medical facts would not be as widespread.

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

It’s hard imagine it now, but before the pandemic hit the CDC was actually one of the most trusted and admired government agencies in the US.

But, as soon as they dared to disagree with Trump on his minimizing of COVID, MAGA nation and the RW media immediately piled on and made them seem like an organization headed by Josef Mengele.

Yet another casualty thrown on the altar of Trump.

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u/HallucinogenicFish 💉 Are Not Political Jul 24 '22

ThEsE eXpEriMeNtAL vAcCiNeS aRe a ViOLaTiOn Of ThE nUrEmBuRg CoDe!!1!11

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u/FearSkyDaddy Biological Ware Fare Jul 24 '22

Excellent backwoods rant and gibberish!

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u/tejaco Grandpa was in Antifa, but they called it the U.S. Army Jul 24 '22

Well, destroying trust in government is high on the right-wing agenda. What a great opportunity to destroy trust!

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u/Glittering-Cellist34 Jul 24 '22

Way more complicated than that. CDC used to be allowed to be flexible and innovative, but over time that changed and they became bureaucratic, which doesn't work in a crisis. It didn't help with covid that their testing protocols were originally wrong, and they made a faulty test and refused to give permission to others to make a test of their own, or other labs, plus other countries created working tests.

The Michael Lewis book is a breezy read and gives a lot of insight on the CDC.

FDA was bad too wrt tests. Otoh, FDA was able to be innovative wrt clinical testing for the vaccines.

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

They all apparently lacked the ability to understand the concept of future projections.

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u/Phihun500 Jul 24 '22

They lack the ability to understand anything.

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u/micaub Jul 24 '22

Once explained how when mask mandates were put in place, 2 weeks later we saw a decrease in cases. When they were lifted, we saw an increase in cases.

Radio silence from that person. I don’t know if he got it or just flat out ignored the facts (I provided charts and everything).

I hope it was the first.

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u/mmps901 Team Pfizer Jul 24 '22

Yes and those people would post things like “If masks worked, why are cases going up?” Without recognizing that masking mandates had been removed. Jesus 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/Mysterious_Status_11 Stick a fork in Meatloaf🍴 Jul 24 '22

Nor did they factor in all the people who, like themselves, begrugingly wore a mask, albeit under their nose, at the grocery store, but continued to visit with family and friends and frequent their usual rwnj haunts, maskless.

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u/Der_genealogist HCA's HR Department Jul 24 '22

We all now it was the second option

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u/The-Hopster Jul 24 '22

“The virus has only killed 41 people!”

It’s like “the Lakers have only scored four points!”. Yeah, but we’re only two minutes into the first quarter.

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u/HallucinogenicFish 💉 Are Not Political Jul 24 '22

The number of times people demanded an exact date for when the pandemic would be over, or precautions could be dispensed with. SMH.

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

They thought they could just Karen the pandemic into submission.

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u/FearSkyDaddy Biological Ware Fare Jul 24 '22

Get the manager!

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u/McEndee Jul 24 '22

They're dumb. They don't know how science works.

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u/jeweltea1 Died like a Rotisserie Chicken 🍗🐥🐔 Jul 24 '22

They don't even know how time works.

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u/BernieDharma Jul 24 '22

I always wonder what threshold number they expect we should wait to hit before we do something about a virus.

Considering how fast it spreads and the case mortality rate, it's easy for someone with more than a room temperature IQ to figure out that it will be easier to deal with when the numbers are low. Why wait until 1,000,000 people are dead to take precautions?

If they have a small grease fire in their kitchen, do they wait until half the house is burning until they do something about it?

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u/Mr-Blackheart Jul 24 '22

That was my father., compositing 2 things and claiming they are the same because “they are both the flu”… nope, nope, NOPE!

We lost multiple family members to “the flu”, like that’s any better than admitting it was Covid?

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u/jeweltea1 Died like a Rotisserie Chicken 🍗🐥🐔 Jul 24 '22

I remember an acquaintance posting some of this nonsense early on...something like "Only 30,000 dead from Covid, more people die from the flu each year". I said "so far" and she shut up.

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u/RazzleDazolam Jul 24 '22

As an ICU nurse, it renders me absolutely speechless when I read that people actually make shit like this up about hospitals. Yeah, sis, we are all getting hardcore financial kickbacks from Biden every time we give some anti vaxxer the death protocol. Where’s my Maserati? Do you know what kind of neck deep shit a hospital would be in if they let a fraction of the hogwash she’s accusing them of actually happen? It’s jaw dropping that someone could actually say things like that, but what’s worse is that she’s probably got a bunch of fellow nutbags on her friends list that will buy every word, hook line and sinker.

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u/EienAi Social Distance Diva Jul 24 '22

It may be a waste of time but someone needs to sit down with this lady and explain to her in words she can understand that not only did her husband fast track his way to his grave, he also got the best we could give to slow down his death. And then explain to her that she's using blame as a coping mechanism because it's so hard to realize he was wrong.

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u/RazzleDazolam Jul 24 '22

I often don’t even reach the level of understanding for the human condition necessary to appreciate that people do use blame as a coping mechanism. Props to you for still having a grasp on compassion.

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u/HallucinogenicFish 💉 Are Not Political Jul 24 '22

She probably feels a great deal of both grief and (at least subconscious) guilt — after all, it sounds like she’s an anti-vaxxer too (“My husband didn’t deserve to die just because he refused a controversial and largely experimental vaccine,” etc.), and they probably egged each other on and reinforced each other’s beliefs. If she supported his decision not to get vaccinated, then in some sense she contributed to his death. If she’d tried to talk him into becoming vaccinated and he’d refused, at least she’d know that she did everything that she could to protect him. You know?

Anger is an early stage of grief. It makes sense that she’d lash out and blame others, even if it’s irrational, because it’s less painful than admitting that his own choices and to a lesser extent hers were to blame, and that but for that there could have been a different outcome. It’s unfair and it sucks, though.

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u/tejaco Grandpa was in Antifa, but they called it the U.S. Army Jul 24 '22

If she supported his decision not to get vaccinated, then in some sense she contributed to his death.

This. This is how Russian trolls helped radicalize the right. No one can go back on their hate-fueled stance when they'd have to recognize they lost a loved one due to their own stupidity.

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u/Mysterious_Status_11 Stick a fork in Meatloaf🍴 Jul 24 '22

She's been stuck in the 2nd stage of grief for a very long time. I guess everyone does grieve in their own way, but she really needs to move on to 3 or 4. She's seriously taking the long way to acceptance. I hope she makes it. Bargaining/Guilt is going to be incredibly hard on her. Maybe that's why she is resisting it.

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u/covidboosterhaveI 🍖🍑🌳 Jul 24 '22

Yes, I'm all outta fucks to give for them. Lotta retroactive justifications from her to rationalize his needless death. But good luck tp her in her lawsuit.

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u/floobidedoo Team Mix & Match Jul 24 '22

I love her, “covid is treatable” line. She’s right, but her husband missed the step where vaccination would have given his immune system a head start. So he wouldn’t have been as sick in the first place.

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u/KittenWithaWhip68 Jul 24 '22

Yeah, it’s treatable by getting vaxxed in the first place like an adult with dignity, self respect, and caring about spreading it to others.

If you are some stubborn far-right-evangelic nut job asshole who thinks horse paste will treat it, and and getting vaxxed (rather than calling on their “prayer warriors) makes you a sheep …well, that’s one less hateful 45 supporter. Good.

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u/jeweltea1 Died like a Rotisserie Chicken 🍗🐥🐔 Jul 24 '22

I don't understand why she wasn't treating it at home then. You don't have to go to the hospital to take Ivermectin or put garlic on your feet or whatever crazy thing they think will work.

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u/leopard_eater Jul 24 '22

Unfortunately no amount of reasoning helps people who want anyone to blame but themselves.

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u/InfiniteAccount4783 Personal Freedom Expert Jul 24 '22

It may be a waste of time but someone needs to sit down with this lady and explain to her in words she can understand

What's the over-under on how many syllables they'd get out before she started talking over them?

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u/Ancient-Budget-8793 Jul 24 '22

My wife is an ICU nurse as well. This crap is hard to read after seeing everything you nurses and respiratory therapists went through. I think they should get their wish and be banned from the death protocol hospitals.

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u/PoppaT1 Jul 24 '22

No vaccine, no entrance into the hospital.

If someone goes to the hospital who has not been vaccinated and has Covid they should not be allowed in. If the don't trust the science behind the vaccine they cannot trust the protocol of a hospital. Give them a list of churches where they can find prayer warriors, and a list of quacks who will help them dose Ivermectin or how much of their own urine to drink, or whatever cure they found in their research on the internet, but don't allow them to use up the hospitals resources and run up medical bills. These non-vaccers need to be told where to go, and not allowed in a hospital.

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u/SusanBHa Jul 24 '22

Tents in the parking lot. Staffed by the crazy medical folks that push ivermectin and whatever other grift du jour the RW nut jobs are pushing.

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u/rook119 Jul 24 '22

I'm a nurse. I have a hard time believing any nurse would say hurry up and die. Yes working for Bill Gates is difficult and he can defo be a hard-ass when the meat stores of the unvaccinated runs low. However Bill also specifically told us not to tell any patient to hurry up and die.

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u/HallucinogenicFish 💉 Are Not Political Jul 24 '22

What, you mean you don’t tell your patients to hurry up and die?

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u/leonardoty Jul 24 '22

Too many people seem to believe the US gov is rolling in Benjamin’s. In reality, unless you’re the DoD, you’re not getting shit.

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u/reallygoodbee Team Pfizer Jul 24 '22

Yeah, sis, we are all getting hardcore financial kickbacks from Biden every time we give some anti vaxxer the death protocol.

One of my coworkers used to buy into every single conspiracy she read on Facebook, and then come back to the office and start spewing it like it was fact.

That was the one I challenged her on.

It was literally "But who would be paying these doctors?"
"The government, duh."
"But why?"
"Because."
"But why? Do you know how much money that would be? Where is it coming from? Why is nobody in the government saying anything?"
"LOL you trust the government!".

I never spoke to her again and I'm so fucking glad she's not there any more.

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u/TroublemakingB Jul 24 '22

So wrong to blame the healthcare workers who have worked tirelessly to keep people alive. You have my unending gratitude and admiration. Fortunately, the only people who believe this kind of BS are idiots and even bigger idiots.

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u/3kidsnomoney--- Jul 24 '22

As a Canadian, I promise we did not crash our economy and undergo much harsher lockdowns than the US because we gave a crap about the US election!

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u/HallucinogenicFish 💉 Are Not Political Jul 24 '22

It was and is astounding that these people seem to think that there was a worldwide conspiracy just to cause Trump to lose the election. (Like he needed any help! Because guess what, as much as it pains me to say it, if he had just gotten out of his own way and shut his damn mouth and said “these are the experts, let’s all listen to them and follow their guidance,” he’d have won easily. But of course that’s impossible for him.)

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

I’ve said that, politically, the pandemic was a pitch that was lobbed over the plate just begging to be crushed for a home run.

All Trump had to do was say how we needed to come together as a country and say reassuring things every now and then, while letting the the experts do their work, and he world have cruised to re-election.

Instead he did what he always does when something he doesn’t like happens: he tried to lie about it and bully it into submission. Only this time he met a foe that wasn’t having any of it.

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u/Funny-Problem7184 Jul 24 '22

The thing with Trump is there was literally nothing at the start of the pandemic to stroke his ego. He simply couldn't handle it. When that happens, he has a trumper tantrum, and lashes out CCCHHHIINNNA, liberal states, and eventually when there was nothing left, Fauci. But everyone is right, if he has simply acted appropriately, put out the right message to protect lives, the healthcare system and gosh....appear to be sincere, the election was his. But he's actually not that smart.

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u/tejaco Grandpa was in Antifa, but they called it the U.S. Army Jul 24 '22

He had just survived the Russia investigation and an impeachment. If he had just made encouraging speeches and let health officials do their jobs ...

But no. That would make it not about HIM. So he lost, and lied about that, too.

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u/nomoredamnusernames Jul 24 '22

Spot on. This man was gifted a political life preserver and he threw it back at the boat. I am certain he’d have breezed to an easy reelection win had he simply used the pandemic as a way to unite the country. Democrats would’ve still hated him (this one included), but there are enough of these absurd “independents” to have been swayed that he wasn’t the monster we knew him to be.

It’s just one of many examples of how we lucked out by his utter incompetence, and how much harder it’ll be the next time when the asshole (Deantis) is a more politically savvy operator.

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u/kevinhaddon Jul 24 '22

And said that it was the left out to get him

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u/Swampcrone Jul 24 '22

I can’t stand the man and I completely agree with you.

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u/retroman73 Jul 24 '22

All Trump had to do was say how we needed to come together as a country and say reassuring things every now and then, while letting the the experts do their work, and he world have cruised to re-election.

Coming together as a country isn't something we do. We are far too divided and spiteful for that. If you ask people to come together as a nation, you will be seen as weak.

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u/Aazjhee Owned Lib Jul 24 '22

Look at W Bush. He was pretty lackluster, even amongst his own conservative types... but 9/11 happened and he was listening to experts and compassionate towards the dead and grieving. He didn't really NEED to make much effort to look like a hero and he really just followed the most basic steps to do the Presidential spiel. And that really blasted his popularity into the stratosphere.

T Rump could have managed the same, but he wanted to prove he was the most smartest and more fearless dirtbag possible. He shot off his own ass with his own gun and it's still looking pretty bad for him (and everyone)

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u/Immediate-Ruin2464 COVID IS NO JOKE Jul 25 '22

And think about the lost opportunity for merch! If he had printed up a few million TRUMP 2020 face masks, his gullible MAGA cult would have gobbled them up. Fifty cents to make, sell them for five bucks. And it would’ve been millions of free campaign ads on peoples’ faces. But again, he’s just not smart.

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u/AnotherCatLover Bounce With Me, Bounce With Me Jul 24 '22

Oh Canada! Look at you up there, with a little less than same population as California. You think your Covid lockdowns worked? Compared to California (10.6M Cases 93,325 Deaths) Canada (4.6M Cases 42,668 Deaths) had a little less than half as many deaths. I'd say your lockdowns saved some (50,000ish) lives.

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u/mothermucca It’s just a COVID Jul 24 '22

California is also 39th out of the 50 states for per capita deaths. Look at the US as a whole. Or Florida. At the time this guy was in the hospital, Florida’s per capita death rate was 7 times what California’s was.

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u/Glittering-Cellist34 Jul 24 '22

Canada has less poverty than California. Too bad California couldn't have been SF which did spectacularly in a public heth sense.

But yeah, I am no Rob Ford fan, and reading articles about how he was f*ing up on covid were tough because his province had half the number of deaths compared to an equivalently populated US state. Then again, national health care.

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u/InfiniteAccount4783 Personal Freedom Expert Jul 24 '22

Doug Ford. Rob died in 2016.

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u/Jimez02 Jul 24 '22

Literally any other excuse than what actually happened, I don’t get how someone can be this ignorant

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

It’s pretty much the MO for how they live their entire lives. Nothing is ever the result of their own stupidity and bad decision making, it’s always the fault of someone or something else.

Usually they can get away with it without any deadly consequences, but this time it was different. This time they were up against a foe that was completely immune to their attempts to bluff or bullshit it away and a lot of them ended up paying dearly as a result.

Of course that doesn’t stop their surviving loved ones from finding other things to blame.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jul 24 '22

Exactly. The virus cannot be bluffed, bullshited, bribed or bullied.

Game over.

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

It’s literally the worst enemy Trump and his followers could have come up against. Not only is it 100% immune to the usual strategies they use when they’re faced with a reality they don’t want to believe. It also has devastating consequences that it has zero hesitation or remorse on imposing on fools who want to tempt fate.

A lot of arrogant people bit the dust hard when they tried to impose their will on COVID.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jul 24 '22

And so will a LOT more.

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u/WeakestLynx Go Give One Jul 24 '22

I thought this essay about conservative parents who are estranged from their children explains it well. They literally cannot understand and remember what their children, or doctors, or the CDC are saying if it's emotionally challenging.

http://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html

"Anything tinged with negative emotion, anything that makes them feel bad about themselves, shocks them so deeply that they block it out. They really can't remember anything but screaming. This emotional amnesia shapes their entire lives, pushing them to associate only with people who won't criticize them, training their families to shelter them from blows so thoroughly that the softest protest feels like a fist to the face."

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u/mothermucca It’s just a COVID Jul 24 '22

I’ve thought for a long time that two of the biggest problems these people have is lack of math literacy, and lack of critical thinking skills. They can’t read an article that presents data or logic, follow it, and make sense of it, and decide for themselves whether it’s sensible or not. I’m not talking about scientific papers, but just normal magazine and newspaper articles. So they’re stuck deciding what to believe based on a cult of personality. And the personalities they are following don’t have their best interests at heart.

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u/micaub Jul 24 '22

I read an article once and I’m sure I would be able to easily find it again, if I didn’t have a Tee Time in 12 hours. But IIRC, it said that most Americans can’t read above an 8th grade level, 30% (Im really fudging numbers here, but it was astonishingly high) cannot interpret a simple chart.

I’ve had some college, and I’m astounded by these facts.

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u/SusanBHa Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

I remember that my college roomate had never heard of the Renaissance or Medieval Europe when we were in Art History class together. She eventually dropped out of the University. Now realize that many folks don’t pursue higher education in the US. I also taught at a state college and then community college briefly and I was shocked at how poorly educated some of my students were. And they seemed to be ill equipped to learn anything either. The US public education system has been in decline for a long time now. Probably at least 30 years.

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u/tejaco Grandpa was in Antifa, but they called it the U.S. Army Jul 24 '22

I had a freshman college roommate who thought Chicago was a state. My mother taught community college English and told me about an argument with a student who insisted (and he could PROVE it!) that Shakespeare wrote the bible. WTF?

In her defense, my freshman college roommate was young enough and prepared enough to learn, that she was properly embarrassed by being so wrong, and, you know, learned better.

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u/GlorifiedPlumber100 I have a bad feeling about this Jul 24 '22

Ah, the Middle Ages. They weren't baroque, so why did we fix them?

(My spouse is an art history major, so, art humor.)

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u/jeweltea1 Died like a Rotisserie Chicken 🍗🐥🐔 Jul 24 '22

I used to work for the Daughters of the American Revolution. I told someone where I worked and she got really quiet and then said "There can't be many of them still alive. Wasn't that in the 1800's?"

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u/leopard_eater Jul 24 '22

I read somewhere the other day that it was 58% who couldn’t comprehend beyond 6th grade, including the lack of capacity to understand a graph.

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u/micaub Jul 24 '22

Which makes so much sense for the me v you mentally in this country. It’s all just a bunch middle schoolers not being able to see beyond their own nose…literally.

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u/Sir_Vectis Jul 24 '22

Remember Trump's graph when being interviewed by Swan?

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

I believe it. Happy golfing.

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u/micaub Jul 24 '22

Thanks. Trying to earn all my triple bogies and maybe a par or two.

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u/Nuuro Jul 24 '22

They have not developed and thought through their ideas as much as most people have. Thus almost anything can be found in their heads if their authorities put it there, even ideas that contradicts other ideas. A filing cabinet or a computer can store quite inconsistent notions and never lose a minute of sleep over their contradiction. Similarly a right-wing authoritarian can have all sorts of illogical, self-contradictory, and widely refuted ideas rattling around in various boxes in his brain, and never notice it.

Research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic.

-- The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer

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u/Jimez02 Jul 24 '22

Ben Shapiro warned me of people like you, those who speak of “truth” and “facts” without the need to destroy any libtards or own any feminazi’s…those who don’t speak at 100 words a minute to completely confuse their opponent without using any real logic or making any genuine sense /s

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u/Haskap_2010 ✨ A twinkle in a Chinese bat's eye ✨ Jul 24 '22

Huh, that describes my parents, especially my mother, to a tee. She probably got vaxxed though, she views male doctors as god-like figures and would take their recommendations.

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u/Pikmin371 Team Mix & Match Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

It's easier to be angry at 'them' than admit you were wrong. Even if it means pretending the 2+2=5.

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u/eye8urcake Jul 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It's a shame she's not on a vent herself so nobody has to hear her nonsense.

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u/CertainTumbleweed153 Team Pfizer Jul 24 '22

In the wake of Roe's Reversal seeing more of these shitheads go is more of a treat. At least they didn't get to enjoy it for long.

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u/Amirium Jul 24 '22

Not enough deaths... need more Republicans to be this stupid

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u/Nicholasy140 Jul 24 '22

About 40% of republicans haven’t even had one shot, so…

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u/Pikmin371 Team Mix & Match Jul 24 '22

And here I am about to get my 4th in a few hours.

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u/linaorr Jul 24 '22

It's umm interesting how she shared a Covid case count about how insignificant the death numbers were in 2020... like they were not somebody's family too. And now her husband is part of that %

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

He was the one who shared all that misinformation. Only the slides about how the hospital caused his death are hers.

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u/linaorr Jul 24 '22

Oops, my bad. It's even more poetic then lol

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

Yeah I saw those too.

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u/Glittering-Cellist34 Jul 24 '22

It wasn't even correct then. There were way more than 41 deaths by April. Let alone the experience from Italy.

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u/bonerland69 Jul 24 '22

I thought prayers and God we’re gonna save him lol

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u/lousylakers Their new hoax is get the vaccine, I did Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

It’s all gods plan until the worst happens and then we blame mankind (who has no power over god)

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u/Amirium Jul 24 '22

🤣😂🤣🤣😂

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u/lionguardant Jul 24 '22

“don’t know this to be fact but what if it is”… “worth thought and research”

Typically you should do the thinking and research BEFORE you share it with all and sundry… but I suppose that assumes these idiots are capable of thought.

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u/HallucinogenicFish 💉 Are Not Political Jul 24 '22

I don’t know why they think it’s suspicious that people predict future pandemics. They do the same thing with that article where Fauci did it — “a-HA!!!” Like, this is obvious. You don’t have to be Nostradamus or a supervillain to say “it will happen again.”

Also, that docuseries was released in LATE January (Jan. 22). COVID was identified in China in December. And I can’t find any indication that Obama or Gates were involved with it.

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u/maybeathrowawaylol Jul 24 '22

Clearly this Karen is fruitlessly unburdened by a university education. Imagine starting any essay, review, thesis like that…

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u/overpregnant Death means never having to say you were wrong Jul 24 '22

Dude gambled and lost

You don't get to sue Vegas for being a poor gambler

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u/lousylakers Their new hoax is get the vaccine, I did Jul 24 '22

If he counted cards (aka had critical thinking) he might’ve beat the house!

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u/MysteriousHat7343 Hermie Hermie Hermie Jul 24 '22

I’m pretty sure this woman acted like a Karen at hospital staff while her husband was dying from his ignorance

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u/EducationalTangelo6 This is no joke. Jul 24 '22

She the titty flasher?

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u/BCdelivery Jul 24 '22

Yeah, the hospital that tried to save his life actually intentionally killed him. Does anyone know about the Hippocratic oath..? Medical professionals actually have oaths, standards, practices and principles they stand by to keep us all in the best care possible.

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u/lousylakers Their new hoax is get the vaccine, I did Jul 24 '22

If only the hospital tried to make him better…she knows it has to be them cause it’s not the novel unique virus and it’s way of destroying our cellular make up.

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u/MysteriousHat7343 Hermie Hermie Hermie Jul 24 '22

If she tries to get “justice” I’m sure her case would be laughed out of court in an instant

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u/BijouWilliams Jul 24 '22

One can hope.

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u/lousylakers Their new hoax is get the vaccine, I did Jul 24 '22

2020: We don’t believe this Covid pandemic is real let alone deadly.
2021: The hospitals are killing people with their death protocols!

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

Schroedinger’s pandemic.

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u/Trick-Many7744 Jul 24 '22

I’ve been hospitalized many times (pre Covid) and had surgery and ER visits in the last year. The call button was always there, the answer will always be a speaker asking what’s needed, and it always takes time to get it unless it’s an emergency as in, cardiac arrest. Ugh. People who are fortunate enough to have never been sick turn into these persecuted snowflakes who think they were abused because they were treated like every other patient.

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u/howardappel Jul 24 '22

He and I were born on the same exact date -- but I plan on staying around for a while longer.

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u/HallucinogenicFish 💉 Are Not Political Jul 24 '22

Oof.

It is ALWAYS someone else’s fault. Always. It must be exhausting to feel so victimized all the time.

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u/micaub Jul 24 '22

I recently lost an extended family member. He had the vaccine 8 months before he died. Some of his Quack family (my youngest sibling in particular blame the vaccine. After eight months!!!

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u/AutismFlavored Jul 24 '22

She’s in for a surprise when she finds out which political party doesn’t want you to be able to sue hospitals for “negligence.”

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u/KrampyDoo Crossing the Vent Horizon Jul 24 '22

Everyone else’s fault but their own.

Widow carrying a stupid torch now.

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u/AMC4x4 Jul 24 '22

"In 2018, almost 10,000 Texans died from the flu. So far C19 has killed only 287."

I just looked up the figures to date: 89,298 dead in Texas from COVID-19. Yeah, it's been a 89,000/2 years = 44,500. So it ended up only being about 400% of flu deaths per year.

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u/KittenWithaWhip68 Jul 24 '22

I hate this willful lack of truth in the misinformation. They clearly just go to some alt-right bullshit sites and scroll around until they see a big fat lie that tells them what they want to hear.

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u/Well-MeaningCisIdiot Jul 24 '22

Don't forget: the official count. With how much RWNJ sanctuaries like Texas try to cover up this sh** as much as possible - to say nothing of the drag of long COVID - decent chance it's a decent amount worse.

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u/Mrsod2007 Jul 24 '22

There was a line about him being blind. How can we explain that? It's very hard to copy and paste idiotic comments if you are blind.

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

It was mentioned in his obit. I think he was legally blind and couldn’t do things like drive, but he wasn’t completely blind.

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u/leamanc Jul 24 '22

I remember many extreme liberal Trump haters saying on video that if it takes destroying the economy to defeat Trump, then so be it.

Do you remember that, or do you actually remember Fox News talking heads claiming that liberals said that?

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u/Wise_Ad_253 Jul 24 '22

It’s always “their” fault, lol.

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u/Ctmnt08 3 shots deep Jul 24 '22

Excuse me, in grand HCA tradition I must inform you that it is “there” fault.

Get out of here with your liberal gay propaganda spelling. And take the damned Arabic numerals with you!

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u/JeromeBiteman Jul 24 '22

Slide 3: there was another recent thread where someone complained that they weren't allowed to stay in the ICU with their spouse. I commented there that "of course they threw you out of the ICU -- YOU were acting like an effing loon and telling the medical people how to do their jobs "

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u/kerrey92 Jul 24 '22

Could they have a visitor vaccination policy? I’m guessing this guy’s family was also unvaccinated.

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u/mothermucca It’s just a COVID Jul 24 '22

They might. They also might have limits on the number of visitors and the amount of time they can be there. Especially in the ICU. A friend was in the ICU at about the same time as this guy for something not COVID related, and he could have one visitor per day, for one hour. In practice, after the first few days they were allowing his husband to stay for longer because a) I’m sure hubby was good at staying out of the way and not being troublesome, and b) his vitals were better when his husband was there. But hubby was still never allowed to stay for longer than about 3 hours.

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u/JeromeBiteman Jul 24 '22

Not being an asshat will get you a lot, whether in hospital or out.

ETA: One could try bringing cookies for the staff.

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u/ryba_777 Jul 24 '22

I’m gonna say it. Fuck his stupid ass wife. Hope she’s next. Bad treatment at the hospital? Take him home and watch him suffocate and shit and piss him self once he is dying just because you are dumb ass don’t understand basic medicine. Go meet jfk jr.

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u/donuts4lunch Fox has killer ratings Jul 24 '22

I highly doubt the nurse said, “hurry up and die!” She probably thought it to herself with this husband and wife team being a couple of Karens.

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u/A-man-of-mystery Covidious Albion Jul 25 '22

I agree. She may well have thought it, and who could blame her? But she didn't say it out loud.

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u/Financial-Ostrich361 Jul 24 '22

So had to google what the Texas death count is now. Near on 90k in 2 years. Kind of blows the flu of 10k in one year out of the water

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u/Haskap_2010 ✨ A twinkle in a Chinese bat's eye ✨ Jul 24 '22

It's a shame Worldometers stopped posting the numbers for the USA, just as they were about to leapfrog over Brazil in "deaths/million" rankings. Other sites are not as easy to follow.

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u/Ande64 Jul 24 '22

I want to know what hospital he was at because I worked in an ICU for 12 years and I can guarantee you I never got to take a 35 to 40 minute break ever. Not once. Ever.

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u/facebook_twitterjail Jul 24 '22

It took 30-45 minutes for the nurses to respond because there were so many selfish unvaccinated fuckers in the ICU.

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u/DramaticEar6379 Jul 24 '22

Reading her incoherent, disjointed rants, I'd be willing to bet that her Hubby faked his own death to escape her presence.

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u/dmancrn Jul 24 '22

Just imagine how awful this family probably treated the healthcare workers in the hospital. They wanted to transfer him?

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u/Stubborn_Amoeba Jul 24 '22

I feel so sorry for the hospital staff having to manage these people while doing everything they can to jeep their loved ones alive.

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u/BidenIsYourPOTUS Jul 24 '22

You’re not getting a dime from the hospital, MeeMaw. Go screw.

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u/Visible-Secretary121 Jul 24 '22

She should try go fund me like all the other republican socialists use.

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u/KittenWithaWhip68 Jul 24 '22

And I hope she tries to take very expensive legal action and goes down hard, then is in debt the rest of her life.

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u/GreenTea98 Jul 24 '22

Like, I almost feel bad for them, but then they revert to saying "death protocol" and "wuhan flu" and talking about Trump

Stupid way to die for stupid people

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u/LogikD Jul 24 '22

Must be tiring constantly pushing against the reality you see and hear.

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u/KittenWithaWhip68 Jul 24 '22

Oh this happened in Texas! Surprise surprise

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u/Haskap_2010 ✨ A twinkle in a Chinese bat's eye ✨ Jul 24 '22

Slide 8: did this dingbat actually think that all these pandemics were the same disease with different names slapped on? Does he not know that sporadic outbreaks of Spanish flu were still killing people well into the 20s?

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u/A-man-of-mystery Covidious Albion Jul 25 '22

I don't think knowing stuff is their thing.

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u/Mr-Nobody33 Team Mudblood 🩸 Jul 24 '22

Short staffed fatigued out health care workers. Limited or non existent equipment. But it's " all a conspiracy"!

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u/HermanCainShow Team AstraZeneca Jul 24 '22

5 stages of grief and this woman:

denial ✅

anger ✅

bargaining ✅

depression ❌

acceptance ❌

She better be ready, the worst has yet to come.

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u/Xxstevefromminecraft Jul 24 '22

People seriously have to trust doctors and stop believing Mengele is torturing every patient there.

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u/Thatguyyouhatealot Jul 24 '22

One less Trump voter.

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u/SnooStrawberries8174 Jul 24 '22

Reading the slides with much joy until I came upon the Bible verses. Done. Click…off. Gross. I see that shit and I walk away. Fuck him and fuck her.

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u/FearSkyDaddy Biological Ware Fare Jul 24 '22

You can tell it’s serious when use all caps and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Is she confusing the card game? Me thinks so

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u/TheEyeOfSmug Jul 24 '22

I wonder if she’s still going to be talking all this shit the day she needs something from a hospital? She gonna be worried about the hospital’s bounty on gallstones?

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u/Werallgonnaburn Jul 24 '22

I bet this woman was a really, really, really selfish and horrible person with nasty views about anybody not in her ingroup way before Covid came along.

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u/Most-Artichoke5028 Jul 24 '22

Well that's unfortunate. Anyhoo....

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 Jul 24 '22

Oh dis gonna be good!

More FAFO!

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u/oopsimalmostthirty Jul 24 '22

Oh no, natural selection at work.

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u/Jrrobidoux Jul 24 '22

She obviously doesn’t realize that they probably had to put on suits while they were checking on him…which could take 30 minutes?

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u/Zealousideal_Luck333 Jul 24 '22

Notice this individual says nothing about legal action.

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u/The_Old_Cream Hello, my name is ECMO Montoya Jul 24 '22

Doubt she has the money to initiate it.

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u/deadlysinderellax COVID Nut 🥜 Jul 24 '22

Cool sob story. I definitely didn't feel like I had read this same story a hundred other times. Just a suggestion though.. maybe come up with some better plot points and/or a better antagonist other than the hospital.

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u/Pikmin371 Team Mix & Match Jul 24 '22

Hey, at least now I don't have to feel bad for the wife after the shit head husband died. They both got what they asked for and deserved. Trash married trash.

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u/8ell0 Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22

What’s with the comparing deaths with flu deaths and how is flu deaths is a normal part of society? Aren’t the deaths from flu also parents, children, grandparents?

When it’s THEIR loved ones that die they get angry, when others die it’s just a statistic and a Necessary evil for the economy and president Trump to win.

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u/Haskap_2010 ✨ A twinkle in a Chinese bat's eye ✨ Jul 24 '22

Plus, they were comparing a whole 12 month's worth of flu deaths with less than 3 month's of Covid deaths.

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u/42JeepWillys Jul 24 '22

Cant fix stupid!

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u/InternetStarbanger2 Here I am 🦠Rock You like a Hermancain!🦠 Jul 24 '22

COVID can

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u/SD99FRC Jul 24 '22

The meme saying the flu killed 200,000 people a year... what year? The average yearly flu death total in the last decade was under 30,000.

Or the post about how Covid deaths were 40, less than a month into the pandemic, compared to the murders from an entire year.

Jebus. Why didn't more of these people die off?

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u/goodjuju123 Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

But they had denounced the virus, refused to take precautions and even celebrated at Buccees with other like-minded Trump lovers! So, how else could this have possibly happened? Every Fox-watcher knows that once you've denounced the virus, it's not that big of a deal (if it even exists at all). It must have been the nurses and the hospital, nothing else fits into the narrative.

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u/A-man-of-mystery Covidious Albion Jul 25 '22

Perhaps they should have rebuked the virus? Covid really hates being rebuked.

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u/tomdurkin Jul 24 '22

The stupid metastasized through that family. Pre COVID, how did they even dress themselves?

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u/RealLADude Quantum Healer Jul 24 '22

Oh no.

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u/Orangefatcathips Jul 24 '22

Where to even begin

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u/Pale_Word790 Jul 24 '22

Yeah lady, quit posting stupid shit and call a lawyer. Everything in the icu is recorded on video and documented by staff.

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u/D16rida Jul 24 '22

Maybe Texas shouldn’t have fought against regulating hospitals….

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u/Glamour_Girl_ Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️ Jul 24 '22

He dead. Learn the lesson, Karen, or it’s quite possible that you’ll be joining him.

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u/InternetStarbanger2 Here I am 🦠Rock You like a Hermancain!🦠 Jul 24 '22

1) they had he right to refuse remdesevir or anynher treatment 2) palliative care is NOT the same as hospice