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I am a cannabis scientist, ask me anything THC, CBD, or any other cannabis related questions, AMA Science

Hi Reddit, Gair Laucius, Chief Science Officer from High Purity Natural Products here, I am here to answer your questions about cannabis, CBD, THC, or any other cannabinoids you want to ask about.

This AMA is closed! Thanks everyone for the great questions, I'm sorry I couldn't answer them all - If you'd like to know more about my company, please visit https://highpuritynaturalproducts.com/about-us/

My experience:

I am an experienced cannabis researcher with expertise in ethanol and super-critical CO2 extraction, gas chromatography mass spectrometry, and high performance liquid chromatography analytics.

I have also conducted research on Cannabis sativa with specific focus on proteins related to cannabinoid biosynthesis pathways. Extensive research experience with DNA and RNA extraction with downstream PCR and qPCR. Highly experienced in terpene and cannabinoid extraction and profiling using HPLC and GCMS.

If it has anything to do with weed, AMA!

Proof: https://twitter.com/HighPurityNP/status/1425475523858341889

Edit: 12:15PM Will be taking a short break for lunch, will return for some more questions shortly. Keep them coming!

Edit2: 1:00PM Wrapping up for now, hope to answer a few more questions later this evening. Thank you to all who asked questions!


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u/Master_Paladin Aug 11 '21

Is Delta 8 safe?


u/HPNP Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21 Gold Hugz

As an isolated cannabinoid, Delta-8 THC is lacking in peer reviewed research but has been shown to have a similar effect to delta-9 THC both being psychoactive (Delta-8 less psychoactive than delta-9). Delta-8 THC presents concern for me not because of the cannabinoid but because of the manufacturing process behind making it. Delta-8 is converted from CBD by using harsh chemicals and solvents and if care is not taken to remove these byproducts there is the potential for harm. As a consumer it is extremely difficult, almost impossible to verify how well a delta-8 product was manufactured. My recommendation is to not use delta-8 until more regulation can ensure safety across the board.


u/claytempleton Aug 11 '21

Does this concern include lab tested Delta 8 products in states where cannabis is legal?


u/Lulzorr Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21 Helpful

You won't get a response to this. Delta 8 is being thrown under the bus by big cannabis, but unironically, because it's so cheap. In my state, 1 gram of delta 8 costs $1.50 on the high end (98%) whereas one gram of 'medical grade' delta-9 distillate in a cartridge costs over $100. This is the same talking point as every other news article you will read about the "dangers of delta8".

D8 doesn't have the long term peer reviewed study but note that lab testing from reputable facilities is never actually discussed. Instead, it's "almost impossible" to verify how well the product was manufactured. Don't bother looking at places like TTC or 3Chi who have full panel testing that you can personally verify by researching the testing facilities themselves.

Don't look for independent testing of gas station / smoke shop carts either, because that's never been done before /s and the results aren't public (this is a PDF). Strangely, the carts that were tested appear to be (mostly) fine, but no one who is seriously interested in D8 will tell you to purchase from a smoke shop. The distillate used to create the tested carts is free from the solvents the OP is worried about.

personally, I buy distillate in bulk and make tinctures. I have carts that I filled as well but dont really use, and I use the tinctures that i make on weekends, barely consuming 10mg at a time.

More individual testing - The quest for empirical evidence of harm -

These links are probably NSFW at some point in the threads. Future4200 is a forum meant for scientific research and discussion regarding cannabis.


u/ezslapdown Aug 12 '21

3chi all day full lab testing and everything hits clean to me


u/Lulzorr Aug 12 '21

3chi is nice but price-wise i'd 100% of the time go for their secondary cheaper brand reefersbay - i'm pretty sure 3chi owns them - or Triangletradingco. Bulk pricing at RB is way better but TTC has great mixes and i've heard amazing things about their badder. RB is probably my next purchase.


u/claytempleton Aug 11 '21

Thanks for the details


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u/Lulzorr Aug 11 '21

I would avoid it. delta 8 hemp is generally sprayed with distillate dissolved in the solvents you'd be trying to avoid by researching lab testing. It's very uncommon for vendors to even test their flower let alone actually release the information.

You can pretty easily make your own, though. just grind up a couple grams and mix it with heated distillate. essentially making moon rocks without the kief coating... though you could roll it in CBD kief.

Here's the copypasta from the subreddit:

Hey, the Δ⁸ friendly automod here. I see you used the word "sprayed." If this is in reference to D8 sprayed hemp flower, VERY FEW VENDORS provide a residual solvent lab on the final sprayed hemp product. When tested, sprayed hemp (that did not come with a clean solvent test) is full of iso. DO NOT BUY SPRAYED HEMP WITHOUT A SOLVENT TEST.



u/iwrotedabible Aug 11 '21

D8 products are manufactured to make the overabundance of CBD hemp into something more profitable. No oversight and very few regulations that vary by state. At least legal cannabis concentrates require testing. When you buy D8, you just have to trust the vendor who has no legal compunction to verify what they sell.


u/Lulzorr Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21

I'm sorry but you appear to have not read what I wrote.

When you buy D8, you just have to trust the vendor who has no legal compunction to verify what they sell.

Trust isn't a factor: testing exists and should be the first thing anyone looks for when purchasing D8, and it is readily available from any serious company. I listed two in my comment who provide full panel testing that you can verify with the facilities who tested the product yourself. Or you can always spend a couple bucks and get it tested yourself, it's not very difficult. If you want a list of reputable vendors you should check the subreddit, which I will not link.

At least legal cannabis concentrates require testing.

Just because it's not a legal requirement does not mean that testing doesn't exist. It does, and ten seconds on any well known delta8 vendor would show you that.

D8 products are manufactured to make the overabundance of CBD hemp into something more profitable.

No one will dispute this, and I certainly didn't. Delta-8-THC is synthesized from CBD. The process is easily researched.


u/iwrotedabible Aug 14 '21

I'm not going to take the time to rebut your claims about how/when D8 is verified. COAs are easily faked, as you would know by visiting the sub you do not want to link.

It's a loophole product hiding behind hemp legalization. You can probably get responsibly manufactured D8, but again, who posts legally registered tests for heavy metals or pesticides, a common problem in cannabis extracts? This is a scenario where you really gotta trust your vendor and I am saying it's not worth the risk because nobody is required to do due diligence.

I mean, more power to the D8 guys flexing that huscle but for the average consumer at all concerned about their health they should avoid that shit until further scrutiny on the industry is standardized.



fake and boring yawn


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u/Faxme123 Aug 12 '21

I disagree


u/eichornchenchen Aug 12 '21

The only states that haven banned delta 8 are those where delta 9 is legal.

I went to a CBD expo and talked to some old school growers who said they would grow hemp and extract the delta 8 and sell it as regular delta 9.