Friendly reminder that even in areas that have very little or no muscle, such as the face, Waka still possesses superhuman durability

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u/DaBigMeatSlappa Dead Chad 16d ago

This raises a better question including the last image; how strong is Waka’s bones? Does super human syndrome have any effect on it? Is it overbearing at times on the joints or are the bones scaled with the muscles as well so the body can still move without issue. Some shit like that.

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u/Niko-Gaoh2 16d ago

More like the bones scale to his muscles. Think about it like this, if his bones weren’t proportional in density to his muscles they’d break under the strain of his own strength

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u/NewArtificialHuman Julius 16d ago

Skeletal muscle mass.

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u/IttHertzWhenIP 16d ago

IRL their bones are normal but this is a manga

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u/Mutagen_Prime 16d ago

irl? You do realise superman syndrome irl is an extra Y chromosome and a whole bunch of defects with no super strength?

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u/Affectionate-Ad6982 15d ago

You are correct. He means the rarer genetic mutation that is closer to what wakatsuki has that involves your myostatin. It causes you to actually have brittle bones, as only your muscles are effected and not your bone density.

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u/DrunkMcNorris 15d ago

Not quite even myostatitin insufficiencies don’t do anything like wakas condition. It basically just makes it easier for you to put on size. There’s no increase in lb/lb strength. It certainly doesn’t make roughly twice as dense as a normal person at that build. Something that could do it is replacing muscle fibers with fascia tissue (for example if most of our soft tissue was made of fascia we’d be mostly bulletproof) or otherwise changing the phyical/chemical makeup of his body. In general though stronger muscles particularly those derived from resistance training create stronger bones. That’s why lifting is actually advocated for post menopausal women.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

So do you think that real life version of the Super Man syndrome would bd useful for a real life Fighter or useless?

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u/DrunkMcNorris 15d ago edited 15d ago

If by real life you mean the chromosome disorder then super disadvantageous. If you mean the myostatin thing then neutral to moderately helpful. Like being able to put on muscle size easily is useful if you combine it with power generation (size=/= strength =/= power) could give you fantastic results for a fighter. And you’d potentially get some of the other benefits already alluded to above. If nothing else you’d be able to spend more time on the technical side and still get strong physical gains. That said as it’s explained I’d take lightning boy or Nicholas’s ability over wakas thing if I wanted to make a fighter and 1000% if i wanted to make a soldier.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

Oh nah I meant myostatin. Ever since Jax Blade Brought it up on his channel I’ve been curious about how effective a real life Wakatsuki be if he trained say Shooto. It’s just really fun to think about the rise. Like what were the downsides of a beer and would there be any benefits at all.

And you’d potentially get some of the other benefits already alluded to above.

Only size,strength,and power right? With likely no benefit to your slow or fast twitch muscles?

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u/DrunkMcNorris 15d ago

I mean so hypertrophy is useful coach ng of blackhouse just did an hour long talk on it. Dont let anybody tell you otherwise. And for how wakas thing works in the manga/anime full contact karate is probably the best thing he could do. He walks in trades power shots and then breaks people. Real world even with his advantages he’d be at risk of cte but that clearly doesn’t exist in kengan.

Not sure what you mean by “downsides of a beer”

That said power is generally generally associated with fast twitch (think Olympic vs powerlifting or 40y vs marathon) it’s about RAPID force production. Maximal strength and power are related but not the same (push vs punch) and you need maximal strength to develop power within that range. (If you can’t deadlift 500lbs you’ve got no shot in hell of being able clean it)

Also the simple fact that he weights between 1.5-2 times what he should considering his size and build shows that something beyond pure size is happening. It would also explain how he’s so durable. Density is the go-to property for assuming strength/durability on material science stack of feathers vs stack of bricks (exceptions obv carbon nanotubes etc) and with double the density he’d be intuitively be more resistant to punchkicking.

Sorry if I’m rambling we’re hitting the intersection of my two main geekdoms of practical violence and engineering and much gin has been consumed.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

Don’t sweat it this actually pretty interesting. It sums up pretty well why someone with this condition would actually be able to do decently in a fight in spite of the fact that this(debatable) gift would likely make them gas out faster than the average person due to the oxygen demand of the extra muscles.

Also I meant to type “like what would the downsides and benefits of it be”. As cool as the REAL LIFE version of Waka’s condition sounds on paper there’s bound to be a host of side effects that probably make it difficult to live/fight with that I’m not considering you know?

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u/AsuraOmega Naidan Azure Sky 16d ago

I think Waka have like a quarter of Saw Paing's bone density. Probably.

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u/supersmasherstories Saw Paing on the Rampage 15d ago

Well I mean he is known to be a karate practitioner in kengan so by all means he probably has done partial training to strengthen his bones.

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u/Reziexo Mihono Worried 16d ago edited 15d ago

Bruh why don't you include the panel where Julius dragged Waka whole face across arena?? and still survive :o

That's actually one of the best Waka feats~

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u/InquisitorHindsight 15d ago

To be fair it did shake Waka a ton and leave him blind in one eye

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u/Reziexo Mihono Worried 15d ago

Yeah and he still survived it

The only ones that I think can do it too are Saw pain and Raian but I doubt that they can continue fighting after got their face grinding like that~

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u/AsuraOmega Naidan Azure Sky 16d ago

Fei judo throwed and PRIDE FC soccer kicked his face and it just pissed him off.

Waka took a premature and a successful demonsbane, and one of them was to his chin and he still stood up ready to fight. Wakatsuki is not only physically tough, he also has a never give up mindset.

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u/TheDecadent_Dandy The Faceless Man 16d ago

Waka isn’t invulnerable, obviously. But his joints, face, and other parts of his body that lack much muscle mass aren’t vastly inferior to the rest of body.

This is mainly aimed at people who think that Waka is like, super weak to any attack that doesn’t directly target his muscles. His whole body just built different.

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u/Niko-Gaoh2 16d ago

Facts bro, nice post!

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u/Mikkster643 Kazzy 1% Power 16d ago

Big facts

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u/-choose-ausername- 16d ago

Actually his superhuman trapezuis muscles in the neck prevented him from getting knocked out

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u/Undertheus Okubro Strongest in the Verse 16d ago

Actually, neck muscles helps to tank face hits

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u/AsuraOmega Naidan Azure Sky 16d ago

Yeah. Arturo Gatti had one of the thickest necks in boxing history relative to his size and he has a chin made out of shit tougher than Hulk's trousers.

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u/Yung-Caesar Ohma Asura 16d ago

Wakatsuki's skeleton is much stronger than the average human, otherwise he would just crumble over all those muscles.

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u/Galdronis13 16d ago

Did it say he did bone training? My understanding was just because his muscles cushioned his bones so much that they weren’t being broken

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u/Niko-Gaoh2 16d ago

You’re completely right

There’s a principle in anatomy that would support Wakatsuki and Julius having super dense bones in order to handle the stress of their muscles. In other word he wouldn’t necessarily have to replicate Saw Paings training to get a similar result. Also that lock is meant to hyper extend the elbow and tear the bicep muscles so it makes perfect sense that it didn’t break bone

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u/EmmaW17 Gaolang 16d ago

Good observation but can he tank the hammer of Burma head on?

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u/Mikkster643 Kazzy 1% Power 16d ago

I definitely think the hammer of Burma would knock anyone if it lands head on(no pun intended lol) including kuroki

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u/Galdronis13 16d ago

Hammer of Burma is honestly so disproportionately insanely destructive compared to the other things that saw does, and the fact that he can tank his own impact from that without even staggering is also insane

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u/Skafflock 16d ago

I think it's just the specific way he takes it, when Rei redirected the force back into him in a way he didn't expect it gave him a concussion even before he'd finished accelerating his skull into the ground.

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u/Niko-Gaoh2 16d ago

I give him a 50-50 shot haha

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u/kyrin_mitchell Agito 15d ago

Nothing can tank that.

There are just certain attacks you can't tank and hammer of Burma is one of them

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u/-BakiHanma Tiger Vessel 16d ago

His bones/joints/ligaments all need to bare the density of his muscles so they grew stronger. Just like when you lift weights your whole body gets stronger not just your muscles.

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u/LieFun4432 Alan Mitosis 16d ago

The mutha fuka stole Saw pang's bones lol

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u/OroJuice 16d ago

How strong are slaps in terms of attack strikes anyway?

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u/ngoducminh 16d ago

Slaps can hurt more but they don't usually deal as much damage as normal strikes, I think.

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u/dpotilas89 15d ago

Waka with saw paing skeleton?

JULIUS WITH SAW PAING SKELETON!

INVENTING NEW PEAK VERDE CHARACTERS.

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u/InquisitorHindsight 15d ago

To Gozo’s arm lock, it was more of a matter of Waka escaping before Gozo was able to fully break the arm. Ohma had the same problem with Kuroki

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u/Melo0513 The ole dick twist 15d ago

For the last one I thought that also had to do with muscles as he just was able to resist it being bent more than that

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u/Skafflock 16d ago

I feel like his arms and legs at least would inevitably end up being "conditioned" just from his own strength being so insane, but yeah feats-wise his bones are nothing to laugh at.

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u/KenganNinja 16d ago

It’s not just Wakatsuki’s body that’s superhuman. It’s his spirit.

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u/Bojack341 Julius Fade 16d ago

“Hurr durr jurota can throw him on his head and kill him hurr durr”- some wakatsuki hater

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u/Psycho-nova Nitoku writes powerpuff girl fanfictions 15d ago

Probably not In one throw, but I can see a bloodlusted jurota repeatedly throwing him on his melon with intent to kill eventually do serious damage if not kill him eventually

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u/Bojack341 Julius Fade 15d ago

Yes but how many throws would it take? This man took so much damage to the dome from so many devastating attacks including a demonsbane and didn’t immediately die. I highly doubt jurota could throw him enough times for it to do enough damage before waka can figure out the timing of swing.

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u/Psycho-nova Nitoku writes powerpuff girl fanfictions 15d ago

Idk my man jurota seems to be in the upper tiers of strength, close to naidan or seki on the ladder in my opinion. I have no doubt that jurota could kill someone in one throw like naidan did to his master. I know Waka isn’t naidans master but repeatedly throws like that would give him a concussion at the very least

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u/Melo0513 The ole dick twist 15d ago

I feel like that level of throws would at least work pretty well against him. I mean, Hatsumi beat him before, and idk if it was through blows and joint locks.

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u/Psycho-nova Nitoku writes powerpuff girl fanfictions 15d ago

Probably throws. From the little flash back thing it showed waka kneeling on the ground and Hatsumi just chillin. I assume Hatsumi just threw him a bunch until Waka was gassed

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u/AsuraOmega Naidan Azure Sky 16d ago

Meanwhile Wakatsuki got rocked by a front kick demonsbane and got up not even 10 seconds later lmao

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u/SlimeustasTheSecond Legion Of Lord Edward Wu is better don't @ me 15d ago

Man's got absurd willpower to keep fighting even after getting kicked in the jaw and knocked 30 feet.

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u/Zealousideal-Deal340 Julius Fade 16d ago

THANK YOU

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u/Which-Start 16d ago

Makes me wonder how well a persons withrhe real life version of Waka’s constitution(Myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy) would do in real life fighting

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u/Affectionate-Ad6982 15d ago

Terrible is the answer. That condition actually gives you brittle bones more or less as it infact does not equip your bones to handle the muscle mass you develop.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

Source? Cuz so far there are no listed side effects

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u/FlamesOfFury 15d ago

It doesn't give you brittle bones (the opposite actually) but myostatin deficiency leads one to have smaller tendons as observed in myostatin deficient mice.

https://www.pnas.org/content/105/1/388

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26179666/

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u/Which-Start 15d ago edited 15d ago

myostatin deficiency

I don’t think we’re talking about the same condition.

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u/FlamesOfFury 15d ago

Myostatin IS a muscle growth regulator the condition you are referring to is brought about by the a deficiency of it. NOT the opposite. Coincidentally, it is also a protein found in tendons that promotes tendon strength.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

Ooohhh! So i guess being a fighter who has this would be a huge negative in real life instead of a benefit?

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u/FlamesOfFury 15d ago

Not exactly, versus a grappler, yes. But in general, no.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

Is it due to the strain that grappling offensively and decently does to your tendons?

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u/FlamesOfFury 15d ago

Yes.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

It doesn't give you brittle bones (the opposite actually)

Wait a second how does it give the opposite?

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u/FlamesOfFury 15d ago

The higher shearing strength applies more force to a body to adopt. It's the same reason why heavy squats are recommended to build bone strength.

The second study I linked focuses on the effects of myostatin deficiency in mice with bone problems.

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u/Which-Start 15d ago

Gotcha, so in theory someone with this condition would be a bit more durable than the average guy?

If so how do you think it would effect slow and fast twitch muscles?

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u/FlamesOfFury 15d ago

Yes, aside from the tendons, yes.

I'd argue since MSTN -/- is a regulator, it would still depend on what type of activity you do. A higher focus on activities that target fast twitch muscles would promote it's growth and vice versa.

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u/J_purificacion15 15d ago

He’s still gonna lose due to plot convenience and fei being shorter unfortunately

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u/JekkAwe 15d ago

That's actually pretty smart of Gozo to go for wakas joints lol

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u/Psycho-nova Nitoku writes powerpuff girl fanfictions 15d ago

Isn’t waka susceptible to piercing attacks ? Mutebas devil lance pierced his neck but if I recall Waka let it happen or something. Which begs the question of if Waka is less durable against attacks that catch him off guard so he can’t tighten his muscles in time or something

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u/Various_Dark_3291 15d ago

Raian who was caught off guard tanked the weapon from a 3rd rank Guardian. Waka who is above him in term of muscle should probably be able to do the same thing. Ofc it depends of the guy wielding the weapon

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u/Drajion89 15d ago

That’s more a testament to Muteba being a beast than Waka being weak to piercing attacks.

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u/Psycho-nova Nitoku writes powerpuff girl fanfictions 15d ago

I suppose so. But if Waka had just tightened his muscles instead of letting it happen would muteba have been able to pierce him ?

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u/Melo0513 The ole dick twist 15d ago

didn’t the panel say he survived that because he tightened or flexed his muscles at the moment of impact?

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u/Psycho-nova Nitoku writes powerpuff girl fanfictions 15d ago

I thought he tightened them after he had gotten pierced so he would survive it and be able to counter attack but idk. What I wanna know is if he had tightened them before the impact, would he have gotten pierced in the first place

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u/Melo0513 The ole dick twist 15d ago

Idk abt after since the chapter says “flexing at the moment of impact” so idk if having been flexing them before hand woulda worked any different

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u/SlimeustasTheSecond Legion Of Lord Edward Wu is better don't @ me 15d ago edited 15d ago

Probably the Neck Muscles. Vaguely remember something about them helping with having a good Chin.

For the Gozo Bone Break: Would his tendons and skeleton be any tougher since his muscles are so dense and probably add some extra stress to his body, especially if he exercises? That or he flexed hard enough that Gozo couldn't actually put serious pressure on Wakatsuki's tendons, at least not before getting yeeted into the dirt.