Love the second post. In case you don't know, you can arrange to have the shot in your own home. My grandma is like 100, and the state sent somebody to her house.
And this is Missouri, so it's not like we've got something available that other states don't.
The absurdity of comparing filling in a voting ballot to injecting yourself and your family correctly with shots despite having no medical training, is definitely a headscratcher. If they have diabetes or another health issue they have to do self-injections for, it's one thing (as well as a big preexisting condition warning flag), but most people do not know how to do a vaccine injection.
So you are 100% right and it wouldn’t be feasible in the slightest, in general. Just speaking of packaging and mailing though of a refrigerated injection I have experience. I give myself a weekly injection through an auto injector and they send it by mail once a month. It has to be refrigerated and at a certain temperature and can’t be jostled and they do an absolutely wonderful job. It’s shipped in a day through priority, in a special medical cooling packaging, and packaged carefully with specific ice packs. They let you know through texts when it gets there too so you can put it right in the fridge. There is a million reasons why mail vaccines, in general, wouldn’t work but thankfully for people who need refrigerated injections (although auto-injectors) the post office/company has got it down! Lol
Eh, I work at UPS with hazmats. We get tons of medication packed with dry ice. We can pick up the package from a pharmaceutical company at 6PM on Tuesday and have it delivered by 9:30AM Wednesday to most addresses in the continental US. We do it every day and over 99 percent of those shipments make service.
As someone who desperately needs this service for my medication needs and uses it monthly (I wrote a comment above correcting OP as well) Thank you so much for the amazing job you guys do! An absolute life saver!
I actually do kind of wish that the patch vaccine had happened. I'm sure there'd be compliance issues with some groups, but it was shelf stable at room temperature and didn't require a medical professional to administer, so it could have been sent to underserved areas where they don't have a -80 freezer and administered by someone with minimal training
I mean yeah it couldn’t ship flat rate through usps, but it’s not like there isn’t tons of stuff being shipped daily that needs to stay cold/frozen. If those meal subscriptions can do it, I find it hard to believe it can’t be done for vaccines.
Not to mention, I am pretty sure insulin injections and vaccine injections are completely different beasts. I think insulin is fairly shallow, while the vaccines need to get into the muscle.
EL5 version Insulin you aim for fat near the surface so it is taken in more slowly. Injecting into muscle could result in rapid onset of low blood sugar.
The vaccine is injected into muscle to get to the bloodstream more quickly. Here I am not so certain but will speculate that you want it in the blood so the immune system can react to it before it "goes bad".
The depth is mostly because the fat is closer to the surface, but you could successfully use a smaller needle for the vaccine depending on where you aim. Comfort is a factor in there somewhere too.
Honestly, IM injections are pretty easy to perform too, but just like any other medical thing it's important that you're doing it correctly, and I wouldn't trust the general public to do that without being trained first.
Might not trust everyone to do it even after being trained either tbh, they'd have to follow instructions and the last couple years has shown pretty clearly that some people struggle with that.
Might not trust everyone to do it even after being trained either tbh, they'd have to follow instructions and the last couple years has shown pretty clearly that some people struggle with that.
Having to teach adults how to wash their hands and the uphill struggle of getting them to wear masks properly instead of dick nosing has been sufficient evidence for me to conclude that many people would manage to starve to death if locked in a fucking grocery store.
Not to mention voter fraud, by mail or otherwise, is a federal crime. I wonder how stoked these dudes would be if self vaccination fraud carried the same penalty.
For the layperson who's never had to do an injection before? You still need to place the needle correctly both before and during administering the shot, not tok shallow and not too deep, and be careful about nerves and blood vessels. Hitting a nerve would be...I don't even want to think about it, agh!!!
Flinching during a shot is also pretty common, medical staff are trained to not have that yank the needle anywhere. They balance speed with the right amount of seconds needed for the injection before withdrawing the needle. People also generally don't like causing pain to loved ones. I can see nervous untrained parents buckling or messing up while trying to administer to their kids. Even if that only involves withdrawing the needle too early.
False analogies are frustratingly effective. If you point out the myriad of relevant ways that two things are dissimilar, they'll just shout "mental gymnastics" and claim victory.
"Oh, you believe in voting by mail? Do you also believe in doing medical procedures by mail? No? Then voting by mail must be a stupid idea too! Checkmate liberals!"
somewhere right now there is a republican that is thinking about jan 6, joe biden, fake covid, vax going to make them sterile and then they start just choking and coughing because they forgot to breathe.
Republicans don’t mind when mail in voting results in a win for their candidate. Nevermind that mail in voting heavily tilted the outcome for all of the down ballot Republicans that won and that the Republicans (besides Trump) very much won on the same ballots Trumo lost on.
Its about scoring points, picking something absurd, then comparing it to something the dems support, thereby invalidating it. Its much like trying to close down an orange vendor by stating apples have worms.
They have to shit on everything. Blue lives matter/all lives matter, critical race theory… it’s all done to reclaim being the victims and to shit on anything they don’t agree with.
Yes, this is definitely what he meant, while also trying to imply that mail in voting is somehow not safe or secure. But his comparison completely falls apart because if you threw your mail-in ballot in the trash like that, it wouldn’t be counted, so it wouldn’t affect the security of the election at all.
You can definitely get prescriptions by mail, so yeah, it didn't make a lot of sense. If it's something like a vaccine that needs to be kept in a stable deep freeze prior to administration, then it makes sense that it isn't being mailed, and also due to the need for a witness to sign off on the vaccination card... injectibles can be mailed, but it probably isn't the best idea to mail injectibles to people who might not know how to administer them properly either.
I’ll never get the mail in voting hate. It’s been the standard in Washington state my whole life and you get a tracking number to see exactly where your ballot is and when it’s counted. It’s such a simple system that allows everyone to vote, but nah they trust making people wait in line all day to make sure everyone’s vote is counted. It’s like they know if we all had mail in voting they’d lose because people working 3 jobs can’t spend all day waiting to vote, only the retired boomers can.
Because they're trying to claim the last election was stolen because more Democrats vote by mail (not true everywhere) and that it can't be trusted (been pretty good since the civil war) and most importantly, that Joe Biden is boring and didn't have huge rallies (during the pandemic) so OBVIOUSLY nobody really voted for him.
Early on I got tested and got the vaccine in person, it was ironically the highest exposure event because to get tested I had to go maskless with someone else and go in to a big crowded room for the vaccine.
I also loved the second one, but because of how mostly anyone reading it gets the joke by the end of the first sentence. Then the second sentence is enough to get the point across in case you missed it the first time. Then it just goes on like that, explaining and repeating the joke until it eventually cuts off, leaving ambiguity to how long they went on like that for. It strays from good joke structure so much that it becomes funny just from how bad the execution is.
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u/jayhawk618 23d ago
Love the second post. In case you don't know, you can arrange to have the shot in your own home. My grandma is like 100, and the state sent somebody to her house.
And this is Missouri, so it's not like we've got something available that other states don't.