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u/Opening-Thought-5736 Jun 14 '21
Yes kitty this is how I feel around German Shepherds too
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u/zyh0 Jun 14 '21
If we can replace all policemen with German Shepherds the US would be a better place.
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u/Etienne_of_Navarre Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21
I would hate to see a roving herd of corrupt violent German Sheppards though.
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u/Tiny_Micro_Pencil Jun 14 '21
They are natural policeman after all
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 29 '21
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u/writenicely Jun 14 '21
All in favor of replacing the police with tag-teams of german shepards with social workers say "Aye"
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21
Before you know it, they’ll be hustling you on the streets. Better make sure you keep some bacon bribed in your pockets.
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u/GaryWingHart Jun 14 '21
- It's "herd" not "heard"
- It's "pack," not "herd."
- Packs of dogs are things that are already dangerous things, like packs of wolves.
- I'm not familiar with the portion of the multiverse you sent that joke from, but it doesn't function in this universe. Not even as a paperweight.
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u/HereForDramaLlama Jun 15 '21
I played cops and robbers once with my childhood GSD. Only played once because she was too good at finding everyone and running circles around them to stop them getting away. Having the game over in less than 5 minutes wasn't that fun.
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u/your_left_cornea Jun 14 '21
nah, he doesn't have the glorious moustache. Kittler is ruling his catnip reich elsewhere.
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u/Seriouslyinthedesert Jun 14 '21
One of THE most intelligent, protective, and loyal dogs. Them, and Dobies 😉
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u/Defendedchip904 Jun 14 '21
My precious...
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u/LongPorkJones Jun 14 '21
...that's a Smeagol.
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u/feralkitsune Jun 14 '21
This short chain may be the funniest thing I read all day. Mistaking "Dobie" for the Harry Potter house elf, but quoting from lotr.
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u/I_Has_A_Hat Jun 14 '21
"Fly, you fools!" -Dumbledore, The Chronicles of Narnia
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21
“I would have followed you my brother....my captain.....my king”
-Ron Weasley, A Wrinkle In Time
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u/BenGamez Jun 14 '21
“Never tell me the odds!”
- Captain Picard, Toy Story 2
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u/OkRecording1299 Jun 14 '21
"Live long and prosper! 👉👈"
-Obi-wan Kenobi, Game of Thrones, season 8 episode 1 the emperor strikes back
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u/LeJumpshot Jun 14 '21
So before I get flak, I do love them as a breed... But I had to fact check your intelligence thing. I feel like in all the time I have worked with animals, they haven't come across the brightest. The more I consider it though, it's probably breeding standard causing it. Plus, intelligence doesn't always mean everything. Poodles and Border Collies are neck and neck for most intelligent and yet Poodle behaviour just seems to be more refined on average. There's also a lot that comes down to ownership and well... People suck infinitely more than animals. I guess what I'm saying is thanks for making me think harder on something.
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u/twirlmydressaround Jun 14 '21
How were you measuring their intelligence?
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u/MingusDewfus Jun 14 '21
Not OP, but a lot of times dog “intelligence” is really a measure of obedience and how quickly a dog learns a new task. Dogs have attention spans and mental stamina that can be exhausted, but the more intelligent dogs typically can focus and learn for longer periods. Also, during that time they are more responsive/obedient to new commands and training. This means an “intelligent” dog will listen to commands, respond appropriately and perform this work for a longer period than other breeds.
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u/twirlmydressaround Jun 14 '21
Yep - which is a bit sad because you and I know it's a misnomer. Focus and stamina are both distinct and are not the same as intelligence. And neither is a desire to please.
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u/Oblivious_Otter_I Jun 15 '21
Often desire to please and intelligence correlation goes the other way. Huskies are pretty intelligent and they're the stubbornest little drama queens on earth
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u/LeJumpshot Jun 14 '21
That's probably hard to explain well. Intent is probably the word I'd use. Basing their intelligence off of how they act and the intent and how well they line up. But the more I think on it, the more it becomes more on breeding standard and ownership especially. Lots of people get a breed and don't care about anything but that it's pretty. So even if their capacity is high, they won't be smart if they never get to understand.
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u/twirlmydressaround Jun 14 '21
That's fair. I ask because even if a species is intelligent, they may not always want to please. They might be happy doing their own thing. Or they might be indignant at the thought of training. Some animals are much more independent, which can be misinterpreted as un-intelligent when the animal decides to not listen to commands because they aren't motivated enough to do so.
And this is before we even bring in the possibility of ambiguity in training (but some methods of training such as clicker training allow for more 'precise' communication and can circumvent some of the wrong assumptions/ambiguity that is very common.)
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u/W1D0WM4K3R Jun 14 '21
Our German Shep is smart enough to hide the remote to the electric collar (chases cars constantly), but if you try to call her or something, she'll hear you, look at you, and then keep on walking.
She's a beautiful dog, just goes out on her own lol.
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u/lownoisefan Jun 14 '21
They are one of the top on the Intelligence metric devised by Stanley Choen in the book 'The Intelligence of Dogs'. The problem is that is just a measure of how obedient the dog breed is, not an overall measure of intelligence. Many of the dogs on the middle rankings are some of the smartest but are very independent and make them hard to train as a result.
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u/LeJumpshot Jun 14 '21
This would explain my concept between poodles and border collies. Though I still find them highly trainable, border collues have that tick about them.
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u/Deldogmom Jun 14 '21
Yeah- there’s a great study by dr Brian hare- he reviewed dog cognitive metrics and discovered that different breeds just have different kinds of intelligences. Ike the Afghan hound- known by lots of trainers to be intractably stupid- actually just had a low preference for human interaction/human centric intelligence and an incredible memory for locations and routes. By contrast, collies, which are supposed to be the smartest breed, are actually a bit slow in the memory department but do phenomenally at reading human gestures.
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u/CatSajak779 Jun 14 '21
Every list I’ve ever seen has GSD’s in 3rd place behind Poodles in 2nd and Border Collie’s in 1st. This includes the American Kennel Club’s list which I can’t currently find so here is a similar looking one.
I’ve not dealt with Poodles or BC’s but on your comment about refined behavior in regards to intelligence, thats a tough one. GSD’s are very stubborn which can be a huge turn off for people but in my experience, stubbornness goes hand-in-hand with intelligence. They are stubborn because of their intelligence. Unlike poodles, shepherds are working dogs and thus they are prone to anxiety due to the overwhelming desire to stay busy. Whereas poodles don’t necessarily have such ailments. Basically shepherds absolutely love to work and if they aren’t mentally stimulated, they can act out undesirably which can frustrate people that may be uninitiated.
There’s nothing quite like seeing a working dog with their handler while they are zoned in. You can see those wheels turning in their heads and they are so expressive when they are satisfied.
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u/LeJumpshot Jun 14 '21
I believe this is why I am so willing to listen to what is said. Also the main reason I speak on ownership as well is that I grew up thinking poodles were nasty and mean. Why? Turns out my great grandmother was a horrible person and abusive to her animals. So they tried to attack because they were scared of people and horribly (see: not at all) socialized. Then I met the most wonderful poodle in the world and it changed my entire perception. As I continued to work with animals, I saw more and more of them and realized it was just a childhood trauma.
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u/TooDanBad Jun 14 '21
I love Dobies. Giant puppies, and family dogs. Just like in Pitties.
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u/Seriouslyinthedesert Jun 14 '21
My aunt had a Dobie, right about the time I got out of high school. She used to undo the gate latch, get out and go wandering 🤣. HUGE bed hog!! AWEsome guard dog. And bossy 🤔. My grandfathers German Shepherd was always grumbling at us kids, but he never once tried to bite.
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u/whataboosh Jun 14 '21
What is the best combination of how old a dog to a kitten, or is it more cat then puppy? Whats the best chance in success and happy like this
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u/Inflatable-Chair Jun 14 '21
I have no experience to support my theory but i imagine getting them both at the same time and while theyre still young would provide the best results.
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u/Sacrefix Jun 14 '21
In my experience any combo can work, but best success comes from pairing two young animals or pairing a young animal with a senior.
High energy/ herding type breeds seem to really struggle, but sometimes you can have success. Also some cats just won't abide dogs.
When our lab was a puppy she grew up with our two adult cats. The full grown dog now plays and cuddles daily with the chill male cat and is cordial with the more skiddish female.
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u/packimop Jun 14 '21
you want the dog first 100% of the time unless they're both puppy/kitten. cats are more territorial while dogs will accept new members into a pack especially if they're babies.
we had our adult male cat already when we got a small female pitty pup. shes always super well behaved around him as we taught her to respect his space. you can tell he likes her but if she tries to get energetic and play he just doesn't want any part of it, and hes a playful cat. the most affection he'll show her is doing something similar to this with the head butting but it is much more subdued and he's pretty hesitant most of the time.
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u/saurom1345 Jun 14 '21
In my experience dogs seem to respect the natural order of things there first take lead and the cats we have brought in try to fight for dominance, so anecdotally I am going to say it’s easier to bring a dog into a cats home than vice versa
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u/bigrockBIGmoney Jun 14 '21
It really depends. I have heard, if you can properly explain to your very protective -pack oriented dog that this cat is family now then it could happen when they are older. If one of them already has exposure to a dog/cat it would be easier. I have a small dog that is just afraid of cats. so having a puppy the size of an adult cat may change the dynamic too- or in my dog's case a chill cat that leaves him alone would probably mean peace.
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u/hopefulhearted Jun 14 '21
Wow I've never seen my love life displayed so succinctly. Meow
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 15 '21
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u/hopefulhearted Jun 14 '21
Oh, no, I'm incredibly single all the time. Can't get a decent relationship going to save my life. I appreciate your optimism though
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u/hopefulhearted Jun 14 '21
When you boop too much they go running with their tail between their legs. It's more about finding the right placement of strategic booping. Which I suck at, but someone eventually might appreciate that about me if I end up never getting better at it. Companionship is hard
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 15 '21
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u/hopefulhearted Jun 14 '21
Great title, I love it. Thank you. I'll be sure to give you proper credit Mr. Bear.
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u/CanAhJustSay Jun 14 '21
"Keep the bitey bits and scratchy bits away from my face or the hooman won't let us in the house. I'm cold. Can you just behave for two minutes?!?"
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u/Immort4lFr0sty Jun 14 '21
Goals, ngl. Is that a weird thing to say?
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u/bigrockBIGmoney Jun 14 '21
gsd's all act like the cool, nice kid in high school that takes you aside at a party and reminds you to slow your roll. He herds his friends and is nice to you even if you aren't 100% a friend but are still in the pack. Everyone wants to be the GSD or be friends with the GSD.
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u/C_Coolidge Jun 14 '21
Meanwhile, my Labrador is a god damn enabler. Like that one friend at the party who is 1,000% on board with whatever you want to do even when it's a terrible idea.
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u/Supercoolguy7 Jun 14 '21
Nah, a lot of them are balls of anxious nervous energy. They're high energy dogs and depending on personality that energy can be funneled into usedul tasks, but many just end up super nervous unless you constantly wear them out
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u/iamonthatloud Jun 14 '21
Let yourself determine what is weird or not. Don’t hand out your authority for others to determine. Just be kind
If you want your goals to be dressing up like a pumpkin, fucking do it.
Since you asked though, it’s a really nice goal to aim for :)
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u/H_tbe Jun 14 '21
What breed is the dog ?
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u/Qwsdxcbjking Jun 14 '21
Looks like a German shepherd, also known as an alsation. They are very friendly and intelligent dogs, used in some countries as police dogs due to their trainability (and size).
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u/Dacia1320S Jun 14 '21
In my country they are the only police dogs, never seen other kind of dogs.
My neighbour is a policeman and has a retired dog, he usually barks when I pass in fron of the yard. Can usually make him stop if I say firmly "Taci" (= shut up") or "Shh".
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u/random555 Jun 14 '21
Australia uses German shepherds or Dachshund's
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u/CorruptedStudiosEnt Jun 14 '21
Tfw you're hauling a fat load of cocaine, and you look out your driver side window to see a sausage dog attached to a drone alerting to your vehicle.
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u/ed2017Alm Jun 14 '21
In my country chihuahua are the only police dogs.
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u/pinkyhex Jun 14 '21
Always loved a good German shepherd, probably one of my favorite working dogs
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u/Qwsdxcbjking Jun 14 '21
A family friend had one when I was little and he was the sweetest old man ever lol, got grumpy and would grumble to himself but would never do anything mean. Then we had an Alaskan Malamute who had the temperment of a marshmallow. That same family friend has an Irish wolfhound now and I absolutely love her, she is the most affectionate and silly dog I've ever met and she is just perfect. Working dogs are usually amazing ime.
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u/Tryin2dogood Jun 14 '21
A wolf hound? Those things are massive. I have a GSD now but thought about a wolf hound kust not sure how car rides camping would work. We'd need a van for that dog lol.
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u/Agreeable-Walrus7602 Jun 14 '21
There was a guy in my hometown who I often saw walking his THREE wolfhounds. That's too much dog without a lot of land.
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u/ToroidalCore Jun 14 '21
My family had a German Shepherd when I was growing up, she was amazing. If you annoyed her she would grumble a little and maybe yap, but that was it. (We of course were taught to respect her.) She was great with the cats too, she grew up with them and was very accustomed to them. She would even break up fights when a couple of them started going at it.
These days I'm actually thinking about getting a wolfhound, I've met several in their wonderful dogs although a bit different and personality from the German Shepherds.
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21
I’ve heard they get bad back issues. When I actually turn into a real adult I was going to get a Shepard, but I don’t want to if they are going through a pug situation.
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u/digitaltransmutation Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21
There is both a working line and a show line variety of the breed. If you are getting a show line (usually considered because they have a lower energy level) you have to be careful to use a reputable breeder as a good amount of SLs end up with hip issues.
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u/Mr_Bonanza Jun 14 '21
most folks don't know there are two varieties to the breed. The "flat back" (non show dog) variety is the better luck. less inbreeding and hip problems like you said
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u/aideya Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21
You should see if there are breeders in your area that only deal in German (or Czech) working lines. They won't look the same, American show lines have that black and tan saddle look, but european working lines have the original sable coat (each individual hair is two or more colors).
These dogs don't have that sloped back which is what causes the back and especially hips problems.
For any breeder make sure you asking for the records of the parents and grandparents for the following:
Hips. They should have an OFA rating (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) which says how 'good' their hips are.
Elbows. They should have tested for Elbow Dysplasia. Imo, you should always want a result of Normal/0.
Nerves. They should have tested for Degenerative Myelopathy. This is a disorder that affects the spinal cord and slowly paralyzes them over time. It is fatal.
So for example the mom of my dog is listed on the breeder's site as "Hips A1/Good, ED Normal, DM Clear". This means her hips are rated as excellent (A1) by German standards, and Good (one step down from the best) by OFA standards. She's got the best possible rating for elbows and negative for the myelopathy. The father is the same except he has no rating on his hips from the OFA since he's from Germany and was never tested here.
Edit to add: I forgot one other thing that makes them look different. Working lines are often much smaller. American show lines are big dogs. It would not be a surprise to see a male over 100 lb. Working lines have bigger bones, heads and bulky chests. They tend to be naturally more muscular which does make them heavier for their size than an equivalently sized American line, but they're also much smaller in overall stature. This website gives a good rundown of the 5 (yes, Five) different lines.
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21
Well damn, wasn’t expecting this kinda response. Thanks dude, I’ll definitely save this and keep it in mind.
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u/BabybearPrincess Jun 14 '21
They are prone to hip displasia (not all of them some lines are better than others)
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u/SilverStryfe Jun 14 '21
Working lines of GSD don’t experience the problems of hip displasia or back problems that the show lines experience. If the line has a flat back and hips at roughly shoulder height, that’s a working line. If it has a sloped back and hips lower than shoulders, that’sa show line.
AKC is actually moving away from show lines due to the health problems it creates, but it is slow going.
Shepherds experience normal large dog health issues but nothing that can’t be mitigated by being a competent owner and regular vet visits. They’re lovable and protective and great all around if you know how they act.
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u/whatinthechickenfuck Jun 14 '21
They can yes but it’s not a huge problem with frequent exercise and supplements. Also, not letting them jump in and out of vehicles, or off things. Avoid it.
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u/CalamineCalamity Jun 14 '21
Real sad how some people take these good dogs and train them to hurt people.
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u/blindfoldpeak Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21
Belgian Malinois
Edit: it's not
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u/bigrockBIGmoney Jun 14 '21
Belgians usually have a thinner, smoother coat. They are more "agile" in their build and less bulky, they tend to have a curlier tail and they don't usually have as distinctive of markings. The average Belgian, that I have seen usually is smaller and more energetic than a GSD. This dog has a bushy coat (medium length for a GSD) but too long for a Belgian and distinctive, large shoulder muscles and a long, straight fluffy tail. It's back has a slope (distinctive for a GSD) and it's markings are on the darker side. Belgians tend to be a little bit more marbled and less pronounced. I can see why, it being on the darker side might make you think it was a Belgian though because of how dark the coat is and the missing S of yellow/black on the shoulders.
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u/bwvdub Jun 14 '21
When your friend has too many mimosas at brunch. I’m not getting kicked out again before I finish my crepes Susan! Dammit I waited all week to come here.
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u/Chemicalchl0rine Jun 14 '21
my dog sadly passed today and ive been crying all day, but this post infact made me smile :) thank u for making me feel better
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u/fhayde Jun 14 '21
Gone as they may be, their presence lasts forever, and the mark they've left on you will continue to shape the way you experience this beautiful, sometimes painful existence. That we outlive our companions is both tragedy and blessing; we would willingly shoulder the loss one hundred times over to protect them from the same. We are creatures of the present always looking forward, and sometimes that makes it hard to consider the wealth of time shared with another, but the you of the past has no idea what joy, love, hardships, challenges, heartaches, and happiness are waiting for them. The time spent with your companion and the influence they had in the lives of so many is immutable and will remain as a permanent record of the relationship you shared until the very last lights go out.
The pain of loss subsides over time but the warmth that comes from remembering your time together builds like a fire to keep you warm when you need it, and is just one of the ways they will be with you for the rest of your life.
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u/bananafluffernut Jun 14 '21
My big dog does this exact thing with my chihuahua when she’s attacking her. Just wait for the anger to pass.
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u/ollieollieoxinfree Jun 14 '21
that Shepard allowed itself to be distracted from its focus..It's def in love too
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u/GlennDoom82 Jun 14 '21
Cats like feeling squished and cuddled, maybe kitty liked the feeing of dag paw 🐾upon it
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21
The cat’s like: Touching me only makes me love you MOAR. C’mere you tsundere!
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u/KhanOfMilan Jun 14 '21
Excellent stuff. Loving the big, chill dog and small, playful cat dynamic here. Also kudos to the dog owner for raising the dog so well.
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u/jdlyga Jun 14 '21
I love how the dog is gentle with the cat like a puppy because it’s so small.
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u/PROFITSSSSSSSSSSSSSH Jun 14 '21
I wish I wasn't such a reclusive guy, so I could have a dog, 'cuz they need to go outside and stuff
At least I have my cat
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u/kismetlunch Jun 14 '21
You typically see the opposite, dogs loving on grumpy cats. So this is a treat to see!
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u/AlvinArtDream Jun 14 '21
Seriously do cats and dogs really hate each other, intrinsically, or is it a myth!
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u/HamsterPositive139 Jun 14 '21
They don't intrinsically hate each other but it can be challenging introducing them, especially when both animals are already adults.
Animals mostly communicate via body language, and cats and dogs have different body language. Dogs also tend to have prey drive and like to chase small animals. So there are intrinsic challenges.
When I was growing up, we rescued a stray kitten off the street (so young we were syringe feeding it), and already had a couple adult dogs, plus an adult cat. The adult dogs and cat lived in peace but didn't really interact.
The kitten took to the dogs and developed a lot of dog like traits. He'd go for walks in the woods, would rough house a bit with the dogs, etc.
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u/Gisschace Jun 14 '21
We adopted a cat and her kitten, the cat and the dog sort of tolerated each other. But the dog and the kitten were absolute best friends.
Years later that dog past so we got another dog. By now the cat was an adult, it took her probably a year to get comfortable with the new dog but omg when she was she loved it as much as this kitty loves that cat.
Mainly because she was a little scaredy cat and the dog was her protector but it was lovely to be in another room and hear her doing her little calls, then sniffing which you could tell was them giving each other little kisses.
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u/h13ruth Jun 14 '21
I think you meant this to be a question but it depends on the individual animals and if they were raised around eachother.
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u/AlvinArtDream Jun 14 '21
Ya I meant it to be a question?? i know you can have cats and dogs as buddies, cats can hate other cats and dogs can hate other dogs, but that’s why I’ve always questioned the age old tale of cats Vs dogs. Or is it actually just cat owners vs dog owners and that’s that
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u/construktz Jun 14 '21
I've grown up having a lot of cats and dogs together and the way I've always looked at it is not that they hate each other, but that their innate hunting strategies are so different that it makes them view each other as targets, or at least attractive to one another (even if they also love each other).
Cats are stalking ambush predators and dogs are herding pack hunters. Cats will lay in wait and strike the dog and the dog inherently wants to chase the little thing that just popped out. This inevitably leads to the dog chasing the cat, as the cat finds another place to hide and strike from. This usually results in the dog being quite frustrated as the cat finds a nook to strike from that the oafish dog is unable to penetrate (e.g. pushed in chairs with slatted backs), and the dog barks until the cat gets bored and runs out to find another ambush point.
So this cycle continues with the cat being chased by the dog, the cat pissing the dog off, and then running to a new spot to piss off the dog. Sometimes this leads to the cat getting cornered and being legitimately over the whole ordeal, and the dog has to learn to respect the cat's mercurial temperament.
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u/Sad-Skill-3421 Jun 14 '21
Que!!!! Love🥰🥰🥰🥰🤞❤️pastor alemão cat uauuu in for incrível 😢😢 quero eleee qqyess🐶🐱omg! It!
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u/tombuzz Jun 14 '21
The cat is like I’m gonna make this paw crush into a pet . Cat logic always wins when everything you do is on purpose because cat .
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u/spoopiesparkles Jun 14 '21
Reminds me of Pixie and Brutus lol