r/MurderedByWords Jun 30 '22 You Dropped This 1 A Perfect Murder 2 Bravo! 3 Faith In Humanity Restored 2 Gold 6 Take My Energy 8 Silver 15 Helpful 7 'MURICA 2 Platinum 1 All-Seeing Upvote 6 Wholesome 9

Someone give him a mic to drop.

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u/davwad2 Jun 30 '22

Fine points. I only wish the commentor included the Brownback Tax Cuts in Kansas and how much it backfired.

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u/dirty-cop116 Jun 30 '22 Gold Helpful Take My Energy Bravo! Helpful (Pro)

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u/Pct0bama Jun 30 '22

As a black man, seeing it’s not the states we’re known to primarily live in makes me realize how much propoganda has been fed to me my whole life. I woulda sworn places like NY, PA (Philadelphia), and Michigan (Detroit) would be much higher

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u/Omophorus Jun 30 '22 Gold Helpful

It's remarkable how much all the "negatives" in life track to poverty, not race.

If there is any connection between historically black areas and metrics like drug ODs or violence, it's only because of systemic efforts to entrench poverty in those areas and communities, not the people living there.

I've lived near Philly most of my life. There are rough neighborhoods, for sure, but they're not rough because they're black neighborhoods, they're rough because they're poor AF and the wealthy people are more interested in having the problem out of sight and away from them than they are in solving it.

The fat cats don't give a shit about solving poverty, and it's a lot easier to point fingers at bogeyman than it is to make life better for the suckers they're manipulating for their own benefit.

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u/Raincoats_George Jun 30 '22

They have tried for years to prove that blacks are not as smart as whites. They just cannot make the data work without accepting that poverty is the driving force.

If you give people opportunity and financial security all of the sudden the bad things go away. Who would have thought!

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u/Pct0bama Jun 30 '22

Exactly, you actually speak to the people living there and you quickly realize that, not only do they not have access to the things we take for granted, they don’t even know about half of them. A lot of these neighborhoods don’t even have proper grocery stores.

When you live like that what else will the outcome be?

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u/Omophorus Jun 30 '22

Hell, you actually speak to the people living there and you realize that just like anywhere else, most are decent people trying to do what they can with what they have.

What they have is just so much less than what everyone else has that what they can do is far more limited.

The only scary thing is when a community in poverty (regardless of ethnicity) starts treating members who try to leave with disdain as though they're "too good" for where they started.

But that's also nothing to do with race, and everything to do with people being beaten down for so long that they give up on the idea that things could be better.

And that's a fucking tragedy (but it's also what the card-carrying members of the "I've got mine, fuck you" club want).

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u/Nokomis34 Jun 30 '22

Same goes throughout the world. When I was in Iraq I would go out with the HUMINT team, and the people on the streets are just normal people trying to live normal lives.

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u/hsrob Jun 30 '22

It's honestly easy to forget that fact. It's like a natural assumption that other people are "up to something" or whatever, but chances are, this is just another day for them, probably mundane, and they're just a person doing pretty much the same basic things you do daily.

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u/HowYoBootyholeTaste Jun 30 '22

I'm from Philly. I love how no one brings up education funding and quality in these conversations. Graduated high school in 08 and had a science book from 89. Entire school of 1k students had 2 computer labs which were flat out inaccessible for 1/3 of students. No AC, heat only worked in a handful of classrooms. Only one working water fountain in the entire school. I could go on for days. And, as a former school district employee, I've watched them funnel tf out of money to schools such as Masterman and flat out shut down underperforming schools to combine them with another school to save money to spend on schools such as Masterman.

It's bullshit that people don't think it's facilitated. "Black neighborhoods are full of violence and drugs". Well, yeah, it's almost like oppression and disenfranchisement has negative consequences, and for someone who doesn't trust the media, you're eating those negative consequences up to defend your own bias.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist Jun 30 '22

It is poverty, but racism is at work to trap minorities in poverty and then blame it on race.

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u/Additional-Ad-3131 Jun 30 '22

I would also add that white people notice the poor black neighborhoods because it they are there they stand out. In poor white areas you blend unless you have something super flashy.

This makes white poverty more invisible to white people and reinforces stereotypes

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u/longhairedape Jun 30 '22 Silver

It a class war going on. I grew up in a poor as fuck place that was the whitest place on Earth (Ireland). We have all the same issues you see in the places you mentioned. But, we also have a functioning government and social programs so over time I have seen these places get better and better and better.

These have always been class issues that conservatives have hijacked, using inherent southern racism and the conservative propensity for hierarchical systems to convince working class whites that other working class people, who are worse off, are the issue. Whilst at the same time convincing these working class white people that they are some way inherently better. With these people above another people on their wee make-believe social pecking order, they view themselves as inherently more moral. Subsequently, those whom are above them are also seen as more moral than them.

This is why when we look at a Trump and wondering, with awe, how these people can not see how much of a shit he is, while others think he is the best. It is because they see Trump as moral, regardless of behaviour because lf his status.

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u/Pinkeyefarts Jun 30 '22

As a data analyst, I had done a project and I gotta say Mississippi is just horrible in all aspects

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u/babylovebuckley Jun 30 '22

As they say in Louisiana, "thank God for Mississippi"

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u/DeconstructedKaiju Jun 30 '22

Whenever I bring that up they just... fucking ignore it. Or insist on some mind-boggling excuse like "It failed because of liberal sabotage!"

They don't care about facts, reality, historical evidence none of it. It's all about how they "feel".

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u/StopTheMeta Jun 30 '22

Love it when they have zero arguments to defend their position so they bring up sabotage

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u/puzzle_button Jun 30 '22

Thats always the default, propaganda tactics have always been say something enough, regardless of its correctnes people will believe it. People used to think ghosts used to cause illnesses, why? Because they heard it from someone. Same shit, i know very bright family members who otherwise turn off their brains when it comes to assessing a political decision because more than doing the right thing, they want to believe the other party is wrong

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u/mouldysandals Jun 30 '22

Politics has been turned into a team sport with only two teams in the league. They don’t care what the players or managers do so long as their team wins.

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u/lordofthejungle Jun 30 '22

Politics has been turned into a team sport with only two teams in the league.

For them... The rest of us out here looking for some grown up problem solving.

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u/ReplacementWise6878 Jun 30 '22

THIS 100%

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen interviews at Trump rallies where they ask people why they think Trump won the election, and after debunking every election fraud claim, they finally settle on “I just know Biden cheated. I can just feel it.”

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Jun 30 '22

I would love to see someone debunk all of the election claims and the the person just stops and says, “huh, I guess I was wrong? So, what you’re saying is in order to sell ads to people like me, these media companies made this all up? That’s not right”.

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u/jayv9779 Jun 30 '22

There were two young women talking to Jordan Klepper who left a Trump rally after talking to Jordan. It was pretty funny and amazing to see.

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u/creuter Jun 30 '22

I'm not sure they admitted they were wrong. It sounded more like 'maybe we should get out of here...' as in talking with klepper not leaving the rally. I could be wrong though

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u/hates_stupid_people Jun 30 '22

Or insist on some mind-boggling excuse like "It failed because of liberal sabotage!"

They don't care about facts, reality, historical evidence none of it. It's all about how they "feel".

They're already back at that. And some republicans are currently saying the overturning of Roe vs. Wade started with Obama, and that the "liberal congress" should have stopped the supreme court(because they are literally too stupid to know about the separation of power).

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u/thefailtrain08 Jun 30 '22

Started... With Obama? What?

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u/captaindeadpl Jun 30 '22

It's Obama's fault, because he didn't fight the Republican Mitch McConnell hard enough to add his own supreme court justice. /s

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u/Air_Show Jun 30 '22

I am actually super pissed at how hard he didn't fight that. I would have been ok with him putting McConnell's head on a spike.

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u/usernamesarehard9099 Jun 30 '22

Like that one time the republican led congress passed a bill, which Obama vetoed, and then they overturned the veto and passed it. Then they didn't like how it turned out so they blamed Obama for not explaining their own bill well enough to them.

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u/1Eternallylost Jun 30 '22

Like how they cut teacher pay and all the good teachers skipped the state, so all they had left was a bunch of glorified baby sitters? Those Brownback cuts?

Or like how they cut the road commission budget so they didn't have any means of clearing their own roads during the winter? Those Brownback cuts?

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u/quadmasta Jun 30 '22

Or when bears took control of that city run under strict libertarianism

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Just because they had to sell dildos to make up the shortfall doesn't mean it wasn't a YUGE success.

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u/DetN8 Jun 30 '22

It's like it was a strawman, but when the guy punched at it, it was actually made of metal and only painted to look like straw.

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u/TheRnegade Jun 30 '22

Ironically enough, it wasn't a strawman argument. Strawman argument is when you misdefine your opponent's position, then take it down (without really tackling what your opponent's position really is). Think the whole sex ed thing in school "Liberals want teachers to be able to groom students." That's a strawman. The "incest states shouldn't dictate policy" is just an insult. In an attempt to seem like he was intelligent, the commenter just revealed he really doesn't know what he's talking about.

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u/abraxas1 Jun 30 '22

he knows the term "strawman argument" because his side is accused of it all the time, therefor, the other side must be guilty of it too.

it's war, right? Both sides would do anything to win, scrupulous or not.

that's why their pedo cries are so disturbing...

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u/Dommekarma Jun 30 '22

“We’re abusing children so the other side must be aswell”

Well fuck that actually explains a few things.

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u/Beginning_Draft9092 Jun 30 '22

Lol they love to bash anything their base hates but they secretly are doing or into

And I am in NO WAY comparing this to abusing children or anything negative, just as an example,

Don't forget the time Alex Jones was live on air with a Trans porn video open on pornhub on his phone. THEYRE HACKING ME ITS A FALSE FLAG

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u/CocoSavege Jun 30 '22

What?

I was like looking up some reporter we’re trying to hire today and punched in some number and porn popped up on my phone. Everybody has had porn pop-up on their phone hundreds of times

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alex-jones-trans-porn-phone-infowars-marissa-minx-a8510801.html

There are others. Lol.

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u/bubalusarnee Jun 30 '22

yes, it's called "dressing you in their own dirty laundry"

It is a thing abusers absolutely DO. It's their THING.

Deny Abuse, Reverse Victim and Offender. DARVO. There is a whole google rabbit hole for you, learn about people PLEASE LEARN ABOUT PEOPLE.

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u/Dommekarma Jun 30 '22

I was aware of that on an individual scale but I guess I never connected the dots to a organisation size problem.

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u/bassoonbash Jun 30 '22

😳 wait a damn minute 🤔

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u/AthkoreLost Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Baptists were busted for it earlier this year. Shuffling people around instead of reporting them just like the Catholics *were exposed doing in the 00's and were never punished for so likely continue.

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u/BadGamingTime Jun 30 '22

Uhm I got bad news for you if you think the Catholic Church stopped doing that.

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u/DuskShy Jun 30 '22

Nah they just prayed the pedo away and it worked. They prayed, and the pedos were sent away to be leaders in other churches.

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u/Arch__Stanton Jun 30 '22

Its like that time on r/conservative where there was a headline that read "Biden Speech Fact Checked" and all the comments were confused by the title because the article found everything in the speech to be true.

They literally thought "fact checked" meant "caught in a lie" because thats the only context they hear it in rofl

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u/bubalusarnee Jun 30 '22

It's amazing that so many gun nuts are all "Ready, FIRE... Aim!"

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u/nodnarbiter Jun 30 '22

That's fucking gold if true. I know people misuse the shit out of "straw man" and "begging the question" enough to irritate me but that takes the cake as the dumbest by far.

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u/RootinTootinRegret Jun 30 '22

They love to sling around fancy sounding logical fallacies with no explanation as though they just took a test in a writing class on it. By the looks of it, most of them probably failed.

That, and every accusation is a confession.

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u/jancl Jun 30 '22

They've been doing the same thing now with the word insurrection. I don't think anyone on the right using that word actually knows what it means, but they got accused of it, so now it's their go to word the moment the left does anything even remotely similar

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u/angrysprigg Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

People say "Strawman" all the time on Reddit and most instances I've seen it said its completely wrong.

It's a nice buzz word to throw in an argument.

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u/AmbivalentAsshole Jun 30 '22

most instances I've seen it said its completely wrong.

I don't know your experience - but this happens all the time in my experience. Having good faith arguments on Reddit is rare.

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u/Purpleprinter Jun 30 '22

Are you sure they're not gas lighting you? That's used wrongly here more often than Alanis Morissette misused ironic.

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u/AmbivalentAsshole Jun 30 '22

Oh this comment has layers.

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u/thegreygandalf Jun 30 '22

tbf there's a difference between being mistaken and arguing in bad faith

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u/cannibananabal93 Jun 30 '22

Good point. I think a lot of the hostility on reddit is provoked by confusing the two. When you have no tone or inflection to go off of in a comment, intent gets hard to decipher.

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u/Mcleaniac Jun 30 '22

Surprised the right-wing dipshit didn’t come back with “ad hominem.”

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u/SuperBrentendo64 Jun 30 '22

Well thats a strawman argument.

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u/Cato_theElder Jun 30 '22 Gold Helpful

Or best of all, don't let a person's vote count for less because just because they live in a city.

Furthermore, Carthage must be destroyed.

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u/Lemarc7 Jun 30 '22

Cato, who let you online?

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u/PunisherParadox Jun 30 '22

His great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandson got him a laptop and a hotspot. Now he's unstoppable.

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u/dustarook Jun 30 '22

Assuming an average generational gap of ~30-years, and the 35 “greats” you listed, you need around 40-50 more “greats” to get back to Cato in 200ish BC.

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u/Ich_bin_der_Geist Jun 30 '22

The generational gap was more like 20 years for ages. So an extra 42. The answer to everything.

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u/thegroucho Jun 30 '22

Get out of here with your towel and Vogon poetry.

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u/Ich_bin_der_Geist Jun 30 '22

Oh freddled gruntbuggly,

Thy micturations are to me, (with big yawning)

As plurdled gabbleblotchits,

in midsummer morning

On a lurgid bee,

That mordiously hath blurted out,

Its earted jurtles, grumblingInto a rancid festering confectious organ squealer. [drowned out by moaning and screaming]

Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles,

Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts,

And living glupules frart and stipulate,

Like jowling meated liverslime,

Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,

And hooptiously drangle me,

With crinkly bindlewurdles,

mashurbitries.

Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,

See if I don't!

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u/SH4D0W0733 Jun 30 '22

Too bad it only has Internet Explorer.

Carthage is long gone.

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u/Klandesztine Jun 30 '22

That's what they want you to think.

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u/anoel24 Jun 30 '22

What an excuse to not be invaded.

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u/implicitpharmakoi Jun 30 '22 Silver

Ceterum censeo Comcast esse delendam.

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u/Wyverex Jun 30 '22

This is funnier than it should really be

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u/PunisherParadox Jun 30 '22

It's funny because it's true

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u/takethetunnel Jun 30 '22

Quis custodiet ipsos comcast?

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u/silent-onomatopoeia Jun 30 '22

Yeah, fuck that place.

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u/Beginning_Draft9092 Jun 30 '22

Gosh darn phonecians coming over here taken er jerbs

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u/mattbrvc Jun 30 '22

Carthago delenda est

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u/LOBM Jun 30 '22

Furthermore, Carthage must be destroyed.

Which one?

  • Carthage, Arkansas
  • Carthage, California, a.k.a. Cartago, California
  • Carthage, Illinois
  • Carthage, Indiana
  • Carthage, Maine
  • Carthage, Mississippi
  • Carthage, Missouri
  • Carthage, New York
  • Carthage, North Carolina
  • Carthage, Ohio (disambiguation), multiple places
  • Carthage, South Dakota
  • Carthage, Tennessee
  • Carthage, Texas
  • Carthage Lake, Illinois
  • South Carthage, Tennessee
  • West Carthage, New York

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u/Atheist_Simon_Haddad Jun 30 '22

Ohio has multiple Carthages?

https://i.imgur.com/Er0wj6V.jpg

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u/HillbillyMan Jun 30 '22

I was recently in Columbus. There were two parking garages with the same name a couple blocks from each other. My entire drive through Ohio was trying to find out which of the multiple copies of things I was on. Ohio really must be eliminated.

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u/Tairken Jun 30 '22
  • Cartagena, España

Edit: We have the actual real deal here: Carthago Nova (Cartagena, España)

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u/PatriotASR Jun 30 '22

Doesn’t count. That is a new city, not like the ancient American ones.

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u/Tairken Jun 30 '22

Silly me, I forgot about the thousands of years 'Muricans (in ancient Latin: Murica) cities have existed.

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u/LabGremlin Jun 30 '22

Was not specified therefore all of them.

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u/Crafty-Amount7125 Jun 30 '22

Carthage must be destroyed.

Rome too.

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u/Matty_6447 Jun 30 '22

To the Tarpeian rock with you

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u/robjapan Jun 30 '22

Every vote should be as important as each other.

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u/thehappiestloser Jun 30 '22

Also I am changing my fb profile in protest of the war crimes of Hannibal Barca

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u/ralguy6 Jun 30 '22

Stay mad Romans, imagine getting encircled when you have twice as many soldiers #HANNIBALED

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u/H0b5t3r Jun 30 '22

It's completely backwards that the votes in actually productive parts on the country(the cities) are undervalued while the amphetamine/opiate-Americans out in the rural shitholes have their voices amplified.

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u/julioo975 Jun 30 '22

Actual representation died when they limited the size of the House of Representatives back in the 20’s. At the bare minimum, we need proper representation in the chamber of Congress that’s based on population size. Uncapping the house would guarantee a democratic lockout of the house for the foreseeable future and prevent another republican supermajority of all three branches of government.

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u/nerdywhitemale Jun 30 '22

It would also fix many of the problems with gerrymandering no 3rd party and the electoral college. The founders set it up that way for a reason.

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u/NervousLittleSheep Jun 30 '22

"The states with the highest gun mortality rates should not be dictating gun safety for the rest of us".

Damn, son.

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u/Gaflonzelschmerno Jun 30 '22

How about states with shortest lifespans dictating healthcare

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u/whitedan2 Jun 30 '22

After all why not? they are experts in getting sick and dying

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u/electro1ight Jun 30 '22

I can't believe we don't have universal health care, how else should we keep the sick people paying taxes?..

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u/iruleatants Jun 30 '22 Silver Platinum Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy

I mean, it's far more complicated than that.

See, the lack of universal health care requires them to work or be a slave to medical debt. By attaching their wellbeing to a job, you make them less likely to talk back or demand better pay/benefits. If they speak up, you cut them off. If they try and join a union, you cut them off.

Or maybe it's not some complex system designed to ensure that workers are treated terribly, and America just has too many awful people in it.

I don't know. I don't have an answer to why the richest country in the world can't manage something as basic as universal healthcare. The countries we look down on as being worse than us, like Mexico and Brazil both have universal health care. Why is our infant mortality rate the 33rd highest of the 36 countries in the OECD?

8 out of the 195 countries in the entire world do not offer guaranteed paid maternity leave. The US is one of those eight countries.

So yeah, maybe the insanely glaring problems are part of some grand scheme to keep workers working or whatever. Or maybe it's just that there are way too many assholes in this country who are happy to get fucked over as long as they can also fuck other people over.

And maybe, just maybe, the concept that our founding fathers had wasn't so smart. They were afraid of the majority bossing the minority around, that the gave the minority the power to jerk around the majority and that's actually not the proper way to run a country.

And perhaps, just maybe, we should stop worshiping a piece of paper that was drafted centuries ago as being the greatest thing that ever happened.

It's clearly failed. Our children are being murdered in their schools at an absurd rate because centuries ago someone write a few fucking lines on a piece of paper and now we can't do anything to save those lives.

I'm just so sick and tired of our country doing literally nothing to help its citizens. And whatever the government does, and whatever corporations do, the truth of the matter is that none of them have any power, unless they can convince you and me to vote against our own best interest.

And every single time, millions line up eagerly to vote against their own interest.

And every single time, we bicker and argue and blame, and for what? What does it change?

Nothing of course. We refuse to do anything right until the country literally burns. We had to do it to stop slavery, for women's rights, to end segregation, for LGBTQ rights.

The system is seriously flawed when riots are the only things that make significant progress.

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u/ruff21 Jun 30 '22

I’d normally get hung up on a couple spots where I could contend you got it wrong. But the gist of what you wrote, I believe, is accurate.

Our two party system is inherently flawed. And I’m afraid unless we can solve this equation in a way that results in a peaceful segue into a better, more evolved system…I genuinely fear for all of us.

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u/Thisconnect Jun 30 '22

Hell its not even that 2 party system is flawed, conservatism is and has always been directly against democracy, its ideology based on upholding/creating social hierarchy. You cannot have democracy if half the country doesnt agree with democracy, you dont have to compromise with fascist-lite just because they dont specifically say they want to murder all the jews

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u/ever-right Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22 Take My Energy Bravo Grande!

The system is seriously flawed when riots are the only things that make significant progress.

The Constitution that frankly, both sides worship, is trash. It is what makes legislation so difficult. Republicans have a huge natural advantage because of the way the Constitution calls for electing the President and the Senate (by state and not by national popular vote). Both have veto power over legislation, allowing Republicans to be a white grievance party that consistently gets outvoted by clear margins but is always a threat to win one or both seats of power to hold up the legislative agenda that the majority of the country wants.

Constitutional amendments are a joke. You will never get one passed again.

The two party system is all but a guarantee thanks to our shitastic Constitution. The two party system is the natural result of a system that has hundreds of separate winner take all elections versus a single election. If instead of 435 different House races to elect reps we had a single election and then divvied up the seats proportionally you would instantly get a real multiparty system like basically the entire rest of the fucking world has. Your party wins 10% of the vote now in every state and you get nothing. Your party gets 10% of the vote in a proportional system and you get 10% of the seats. Boom. All the other proposals like RCV and whatnot are fucking copium. RCV didn't stop Susan Collins from winning her seat again in 2020 by almost 9%. RCV ultimately does not undo the reality of the spoiler effect. It merely tries to lessen it.

The result of this worshipping of the Constitution is that we rarely argue about whether a policy is on its own good or not. Instead we sit and argue like fucking lawyers and judges about whether something is Constitutional. But say it with me now:

Fuck the Constitution.

I don't give a fuck what a piece of paper says. I care about whether something can be justified on the merits. I don't think freedom of expression is great because it's in the Constitution I think it's great because it is necessary for a free, healthy society. That it's in the Constitution is a wholly unnecessary bonus for me. If you use the Constitution as an argument you have lost. And think about how many fucking times gun fetishists do so. (Thanks for the worst gun deaths per capita stats in the developed world btw! #winning!) Oh we have more mass shootings, kids shooting other kids, road rage bullshit than any other first world country? Well too bad guns are in the Constitution so you can't take my toys away.

But very few Americans want to hear this. We worship the Founders and the Constitution they wrote. The idea they did something so wrong that is so fundamental to the country is not something Americans want to hear or admit. It's like a founding mythos.

Of course it doesn't help at all that seemingly a consistent 40-45% of the country, overwhelmingly white people (men and women), vote their racist bigotry every cycle. They did it when they attempted secession. They did it all up through and including the Civil Rights Era. They continued right on through to the present day. Not old people, not men, white people. Old black people do not vote for Republicans but 41% of white millennials did in 2016 and Trump won the white women vote. More than any other broad demographic characteristic it is race that predicts who votes for the shitstain that is the Republican party. And why shouldn't it be? The Republican party is carrying the mantle of the segregationist party that has existed for over a century in American politics and never went away. With a better system they wouldn't have so much power but with this shitty system given to us by this shitty Constitution they have absolutely outsized power. Combine that with their complete lack of giving a shit about optics and consistency and you get a party that will wield power in any ridiculous way they can, and they absolutely do.

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u/korze84 Jun 30 '22

The irony is…

We agree with that. They just don’t know the stats.

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

I have shown the stats like these to a lot of these people before.

They almost universally reject them as fake.

EDIT: And they are here.

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u/BillyChat Jun 30 '22

I dunno man, I regard everything that I don't like as fake or your fault. It saves me a lot of trouble with the thinking and the deciding.

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u/SnikiAsian Jun 30 '22

Better yet, assert a contrary fact and hit them with "My source is that I made it the fuck up!"

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u/nanixay799 Jun 30 '22

Oh they know , they just don't care.

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u/Semanticprion Jun 30 '22

This is exactly how liberals should engage with conservatives. No more sarcasm or smarmy rhetorical questions. Just blunt facts and jugular-tearing.

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u/BananaPerfect8866 Jun 30 '22

You honestly think conservatives give a flying fuck about facts?

You’d have better success arguing with a brick wall.

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u/BrickCityRiot Jun 30 '22

The modern American conservative agues in bad faith and in bad faith only.

You’re 100% right - they do not care about facts disproving their beliefs.. But not because they cannot comprehend the proof confirming their beliefs are wrong..

It’s that they no longer care about genuine discourse/debate. Their ideals are rapidly dying.. and their recent actions - like overturning RvW - really confirm that they see the trends and have resorted to desperate tactics.

These are the expected death throes of Christianity. Good riddance.

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u/Funkycoldmedici Jun 30 '22

Research on right-wing authoritarians has found that it’s not a new development. It’s not that they no longer care, they never did. Their predecessors didn’t care, they don’t care, and their successors will not care.

The only thing conservatives care about is their in-group “winning”, having power to hurt everyone outside their group. Truth doesn’t matter, facts don’t matter, feelings don’t matter (except the glee of hurting others), lives don’t even matter (except ending the lives of outsiders). They’re fundamentally broken people.

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u/TheBreathofFiveSouls Jun 30 '22

Yeah what's the phrase... If they cared about facts they wouldn't be conservative. They all say they want a smaller gov and to pay less tax. Then go ahead and vote for the party making bigger government and wasting tax money. Make it make sense.

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u/SpokenSilenced Jun 30 '22

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

They use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post; more for support than illumination.

Teach a man that they're superior to another, and they will throw themselves at the enemy. They will passionately devalue their life so long as they are convinced they are the "righteous."

Lead a horse to water yadda yadda.

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u/Deliximus Jun 30 '22

The other points are spot on, I'm not 100% sure about which states have highest gun mortality rates.

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u/BrickCityRiot Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Wow. The symmetry is actually pretty crazy. One blue state (New Mexico) in the top 13 and one red state (Iowa) in the bottom 13. The top 25 are 20 red vs 5 blue and the bottom 25 are 20 blue vs 5 red (Nebraska and Maine both award electoral votes in a split system but with Maine being majority blue and Nebraska majority red I counted them as such for the sake of simplicity). It’s also kinda crazy that the 2020 election was split almost exactly 25 red vs 25 blue (25.05 red vs 24.95 blue).

Yet, all you see are conservatives from states like Mississippi or Alabama talking about gun violence in Chicago.. And we all know exactly why they focus on that - despite Illinois ranking 35th.

Idk if they’re too stupid to realize that Chicago is closer to Indiana (#20) than 95% of Illinois.. The same Indiana that has some of the most lax gun laws in the entire country. Shit.. Gary, IN is basically a part of the greater Chicago area.

*here’s a great example of how close Chicago is to Indiana. This picture was taken in Whiting, IN:

Chicago Skyline

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u/-------I------- Jun 30 '22

too stupid to realize

They don't want to realize it, because it's conflicting their views.

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u/BrickCityRiot Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

My experience with conservatives has been more that they knowingly argue in bad faith, but they don’t care.

They’re watching the rapid death of their beliefs and have become desperate enough to not care about playing within the rules any more.

The best recent example of this is how dismissive they are about the events of 1/6/21… Because we all know that had Trump won the 2020 election and democrats stormed the Capitol in a similar attempt to prevent the certification, the same conservatives who (in bad faith) act like it was no big deal would be absolutely losing their shit demanding that every democrat and RINO involved be charged with treason and publicly executed on the White House lawn via firing squad. I could even see hundreds of cursive written requests from Cult 45 members begging to be a member of the “firing squad that sent a message to the evil democrats”.

They seriously don’t understand that they will be looked back on by future Americans with shame/disgust.. and that’s before you even consider their legacy of staggering gullibility, ignorance, and bigotry.

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u/PrancesWithWools Jun 30 '22

As much as they like to bring up Chicago, IL isn't even in the the worst 30 states.

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u/Aedeus Jun 30 '22

They don't bring it up because of the crime, they bring it up because they want to portray African Americans as animals.

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u/anotherorphan Jun 30 '22

do you want your whole country to be like mississippi? because this is how you get your whole country to be like mississippi

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u/dan_marchant Jun 30 '22

"We want a long name for our state to make it seem special"

"The folks here ain't too good at edukizing"

"Howzabout we only use 4 letters... that ain't a lot to remember. We just repeat them over and over"

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u/omgdude29 Jun 30 '22

Mississippi

I am just being informative and don't mean to shit all over your comment, but the name "Mississippi" comes from the word "Messipi" - the French version for either the Ojibwe or Algonquin name for the river, "Misi-ziibi," meaning "great river."

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u/blazera Jun 30 '22

also, thats the etymology for the mississippi river, the state is simply named for it.

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u/omgdude29 Jun 30 '22

^ This person finished my thought. Thanks, random person.

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u/tyedyehippy Jun 30 '22

That's fantastic, because it works for both Tennessee and Mississippi.

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u/misspellted Jun 30 '22

But I only see 10...?

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u/F_Twelve Jun 30 '22

If you wrote this out normally it could almost pass for a Mitch Hedberg joke.

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u/dan_marchant Jun 30 '22

normally

Huh? Thats how ma teechrs teeched me to rite.

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u/rosnokidated Jun 30 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Bravo! Got the W

This reminds me of the old rant on fuckthesouth.com

"November 3, 2004

Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

And now what do we get? We're the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the fucking sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?

No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. Fuck off.

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the fucking cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so fucking arrogant if I wasn't paying for your fucking bridges, bitch.

All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your fucking Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a fucking swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole," we said, but you had to have your fucking orange juice.

The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own fucking stop signs, assholes.

Let’s talk about those values for a fucking minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you fucking Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It’s fucking Massachusetts, the fucking center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the fucking nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are fucking blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to fucking guess? 10 of the top 10 are fucking red-ass we're-so-fucking-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its fucking part.

But two guys making out is going to fucking ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we fucking get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're fucking towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us fucking Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the fucking Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.

Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.

And no, you can't have your fucking convention in New York next time. Fuck off"

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u/TheConquest Jun 30 '22

Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

Only issue I have with this. They were right to fight to keep the south and end slavery, because otherwise you are just letting every black person in those states be condemned to many more years of slavery. Where we fucked up was after the Civil War. The fact that we weren't decorating every lamp post in every street in the south with dead slavers was a huge mistake.

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u/zaprin24 Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Should have hanged the slavers and given the workers the plantations. Those rich ass slaver families with all the political power them. Guess what still have thay power now.

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u/TheConquest Jun 30 '22

Yeah too bad the only reparations that have ever been paid out was to slavers for losing their "property".

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u/107197 Jun 30 '22

Yeah, it was the Compromise of 1877 that started the South down the path it is today, dragging the rest of us with it...

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u/Grogosh Jun 30 '22

I live in the South. This is all too accurate.

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u/toastyshibe Jun 30 '22

I actually read the whole thing that's amazing haha

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u/GGezpzMuppy Jun 30 '22

I can see this being a heavily used pasta around reddit real soon

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u/SwissRizen Jun 30 '22

Tbf I want this to be pasta and I ain't even american.

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u/wearethehawk Jun 30 '22

Damn this reads like a Carlin bit

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u/RangoWrecks Jun 30 '22

Now that's a fucking rant 🔥

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u/OhiobornCAraised Jun 30 '22

Go on. Don’t be shy. Tell us how you really feel.

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u/Grumpy23 Jun 30 '22

That was so fucking hilarious to read as an non American. Tbf I just love Massachusetts, maybe I’m biased.

Somehow I think it’s funny that almost every country got some division like Germany in East and west, Italy north and south, the US north and south. I’m sure many will have stories about such a division in their country too.

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u/TheIntrepid1 Jun 30 '22

A church/religion that has a child rape problem should not dictate to what is and is not moral for the rest of us.

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u/9andimpala Jun 30 '22

And all (or at least MOST) of these states are among the lowest in population. Maybe we should work toward a "1 person/ 1 vote" system. Naaaaah. Nevermind, no WAY that would work. /s

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u/NotHisRealName Jun 30 '22 Wholesome

It's amazing that people still believe in the Electoral College. Some ...person... got into an argument with me because he insisted that "one man, one vote" is mob rule. That was a fun conversation.

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u/in_one_ear_ Jun 30 '22

It's not even an uncommon idea. They are sold on the idea of the tyranny of the majority band seem to think the only way to solve it is to switch to tyranny of the minority.

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u/shponglespore Jun 30 '22

A.k.a. plain ol' tyranny.

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u/VulkanLives19 Jun 30 '22

It's remarkable how quickly republicans turned against democracy when it no longer benefited them.

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Jun 30 '22

Adapting their policies to be more popular was simply too much work.

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u/CYAN_DEUTERIUM_IBIS Jun 30 '22

Murdered the confederacy. AGAIN.

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u/IBardIRL Jun 30 '22

Biggest mistake was not treating those states like territories after they got fucking rocked.

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u/Cromus Jun 30 '22

/r/conservative:

All the facts keep supporting liberals. Is this indoctrination?

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u/Oobedoob_S_Benubi Jun 30 '22

How goodhearted of you to assume conservatives would accept these as facts

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u/Tumleren Jun 30 '22

Reality has a well-known liberal bias

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u/GoliathCobalt33 Jun 30 '22

Now that's an unfair assumption that conservative states don't lead in anything. I'm from Texas and I'm pretty sure (with no research done) that we lead in mass shootings and mistreatment of minorities, not to mention the severe damage we have done to women's rights.

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u/davwad2 Jun 30 '22

We definitely lead in cowardly cops, unfortunately.

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u/Nervous_Constant_642 Jun 30 '22

At least your cops do nothing instead of murder you.

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u/davwad2 Jun 30 '22

Nah, they murder too.

Botham Jean, murdered in his own home because a cop mistook it for hers and shot him. Dallas.

Sandra Bland, taken into custody and died there. Houston area, IIRC.

Tony Timpa, mentally ill, killed by Dallas police.

We need to do better.

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u/hamburgersocks Jun 30 '22

Something something that one speech from the Newsroom

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u/GoliathCobalt33 Jun 30 '22

I have watched that so many times it isn't even funny. I legit think everyone should see it.

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u/dobbelj Jun 30 '22

I have watched that so many times it isn't even funny. I legit think everyone should see it.

It's a good clip until he goes all Aaron Sorkin and shits all over millennials when it wasn't them who created this mess.

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u/Mnemon-TORreport Jun 30 '22

Talk about going to a knife fight with a howitzer

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u/modestmolerat Jun 30 '22

I'd say call an ambulance, but this is America

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u/toastyshibe Jun 30 '22

Woah don't make threats like calling an ambulance here!

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u/mortar_n_brick Jun 30 '22

Ambulance actually so expensive

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u/Not_Insane_I_Promise Jun 30 '22

FINALLY a good murder. It's been too damn long

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u/mrstickman Jun 30 '22

This subreddit delivers the real goods from time to time.

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u/reddittroll569 Jun 30 '22

Ironically red states have more violence and are significantly poorer. Sad

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u/D3cipherthis Jun 30 '22

You say those things like one doesn’t cause the other

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u/brainwhatwhat Jun 30 '22

Facts hurts their feelings.

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u/ran1976 Jun 30 '22

Red states with a smaller population than blue cities shouldn't have more voting power.

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u/Desirai Jun 30 '22

Where is this person so I can give them some free fake internet points

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u/Fraerie Jun 30 '22

I would totally give that dude an award.

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u/dan_marchant Jun 30 '22

I would totally think about giving a fake internet award.

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u/BenjaminWobbles Jun 30 '22

I'm a straight guy, but after that comment I would literally blow him.

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u/Mediocritologist Jun 30 '22

Hey get in line buddy!

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u/Rockonfreakybro Jun 30 '22

I bet you could get dumbass Republicans to agree to all these points before revealing the cunts they vote for are running these shithole red states

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jun 30 '22

That's how I used to get my RWNJ uncle, something trump did but told him Obama did it just to watch him get furious then defend trump.

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u/Content_Evidence8443 Jun 30 '22

I always try to trick my mom by mimicking “liberal” talk points without making it super obvious, and she usually agrees….guess Fox News wasn’t around to tell her what to think?

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u/KillahHills10304 Jun 30 '22

Hell, have your parents take a political compass questionnaire. Watch as they say "No, no. This must be broken. It's wrong. It says I'm center left. I'm a proud conservative!"

It's weaponized ignorance.

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Jun 30 '22

The sad part is that when you show them the statistics that clearly demonstrate that red states are worse at these things, they will just reject it as fake.

I've been there. A lot.

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u/jizzlevania Jun 30 '22

The USA is founded on the principle of no taxation without representation. The number of congresspeople a state has should be dependent to their population totals and federal tax contributions. All people may be created equal however states aren't people (but corporations are...)

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u/FiTZnMiCK Jun 30 '22

If those states could read they’d be very upset.

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u/Eagle_Kebab Jun 30 '22

You guys remember that scene from the original Robocop movie when Murphy shoots Dick Jones a buncha times and then Jones is blown through the top floor window and his weird arms are flailing as he falls to his bloody death?

I don't know what made me think of that....

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u/gofyourselftoo Jun 30 '22

I love that it’s where you went with this.

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u/Oldkingcole225 Jun 30 '22

The conservative states also take the most government money and pay the least taxes.

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u/FiTZnMiCK Jun 30 '22

That was in the list:

Better yet. You can get a voice in our government when your state receives less in federal assistance than it puts into it.

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u/nowiforgotmypassword Jun 30 '22

That’s a lot of damage.

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u/FredVIII-DFH Jun 30 '22

The litany of red-state failures is impressive indeed, but my mind keeps going back to "Strawman argument". Does he think that it means "I don't like your argument so I'm just going to wave it away with a two word dismissal" or am I missing some context that came before?

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u/Mediocritologist Jun 30 '22

I think their use of “strawman” is their way of saying they have no idea what it means.

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u/humaniswear Jun 30 '22

I was in that post, that user posted that comment in about every 3rd thread all the way down.

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u/TheRnegade Jun 30 '22

The comment he's replying to doesn't have a strawman in it. It's just an insult. My guess is that they have no idea what a strawman is but know it's "one of dem werds liberals use."

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u/pup_pup_and-away Jun 30 '22

This is so impressive and makes me so happy