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Chad Kroeger on all those Nickelback jokes: 'I'm not gonna apologize for my success' article

https://www.audacy.com/national/music/chad-kroeger-not-gonna-apologize-for-nickelback-success
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u/Youngandidiotic radio reddit 3d ago 1UP

And then like 10 years later imagine dragons took their place lol

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u/zold5 3d ago

Nickelback has gotten waaaaaaaayyyy more hate than imagine dragons ever did.

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u/misterpickles69 3d ago

The Chainsmokers make Imagine Dragons look like Nickelback.

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u/Luke_Cold_Lyle 3d ago hehehehe

Backdoor Sluts 9 makes Crotch Capers 3 look like Naughty Nurses 2

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u/knotshure 3d ago

Gerald, how the heck do you know that???

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u/ilovehamburgers 3d ago

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u/Dive30 3d ago

Sometimes when a mommy and daddy love each other very much . . .

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u/Upper-Oil-153 2d ago

Butters post BS9 is the Gollum game we should have got

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u/_toodamnparanoid_ 3d ago

He read about it. In People.

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u/yesiamveryhigh 3d ago

Do I need to see Backdoor Sluts 1-8 first to understand 9?
Crotch Capers 1-2 where ehh, so I’ll pass on 3 but I can’t wait for Naughty Nurses 3!

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u/Adultghosttours 3d ago

Backdoor Sluts 8 really pushes deep into the lore and busts the series wide open with an explosive finish.

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u/mahkimahk 3d ago

I am very unclear on what this means

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u/DuckOnQuak 3d ago

It literally makes no sense lol if being nickelback is a bad thing, then doesnt that mean they’re saying the chainsmokers are good?

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u/WhisperScream92 3d ago

I didn't know they were disliked until this very post lol

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u/kroqeteer 3d ago edited 3d ago

It’s a generational thing. Kids and teens in the 2000s and early 2010s were basically coached to hate nickelback. They probably got almost as much hate as Justin Bieber did back in the day

edit: you independently coming to dislike nickelback is not mutually exclusive with aggressive negative reinforcement in the culture of the time. I think a lot of kids and teens disliked Nickelback more because they were told to than because they had any strong feelings. I think many people also genuinely didn't like nickelback. Both things can be true simultaneously.

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u/jaykoblanco 3d ago

I was a kid then and swear one day people were jamming to Photograph, and then next everyone hated them. Same thing with Green Day to a certain extent

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u/ListenToBusiness 3d ago edited 3d ago

I forgot all about the Green Day hate. American Idiot dropped and the entire fan base seemed to shift. They got so much shit for that and the accompanying musical. Then, a few years later, it seemed like the former fan base was like "you know what, this album is great and so is Green Day." The balance was restored.

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u/SodlidDesu 3d ago

The Green Day hate really coincided with Nimrod and "Time of your life" because it was stupid overplayed and nothing like Dookie.

And then coasted with Warning and turned off most of their Dookie fans. The timing of American Idiot and the rather (in my opinion) tame political punk shift (Compared to NOFX's War on Errorism or a lot of their contemporaries) certainly hurt their cred but their mainstream exposure hit them with more hate from the political right as well.

That said, I remember Nickelback hate from their first album but I had a girlfriend at the time who liked them so I do enjoy a few of their songs.

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u/Harry_Saturn 3d ago Gold

We weren’t coached to hate them, they were just on non stop on the radio and every shop. Like every 3 songs was nickleback, and if you didn’t hate them, hearing it non stop made a lot of people hate them. They’re super mediocre but I think they’re hate because it was just on non stop for almost a decade and if you worked in retail or food an beverage you couldn’t escape them. After a while, it went from being annoying to hatred. At least that’s why I hate them.

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u/DrRocknRolla Spotify 3d ago

Which is wild, because growing up outside north America/Europe, Nickelback got moderate amounts of playtime and me and my friends all liked them. It wasn't uncommon at all. Kinda the same deal with Creed.

Ninja edit: we never thought "oh this is the best band ever" but it definitely didn't get as much hate as I see online.

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u/ShillinTheVillain 3d ago

Creed was overplayed, and Scott Stapp is a colossal douche.

But they had some bangers, and Mark Tremonti is a legit great rock guitarist.

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u/flaneur_et_branleur 3d ago

Couldn't avoid them on a night out either if you enjoyed rock or metal nights as some arse of a DJ would put them on as a joke every damn time. Super, super mediocre band.

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u/BlinkReanimated 3d ago

This, it's even worse in Canada (in case you aren't) where there are radio regulations that require 1/3 songs per hour to be Canadian. There are plenty of Canadian bands with a ton of diversity, but... they weren't as popular as Nickelback.. Hearing non-stop Nickelback on any station that is even remotely rock or country formatted was absolutely maddening.

There was also Theory of a Deadman which is essentially a (somehow worse) clone of Nickelback.

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u/MikhailBakugan 3d ago

Thaaaaaats why I hate them. I couldn’t figure out why the radio saturation of “How you remind me” specifically was so high, now it makes sense.

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u/RunningSouthOnLSD 2d ago

NEVER MADE IT AS A WISE MAN

changes station

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u/randy241 3d ago

Do you remember that joke? "What band is this?" "It's theory of a nickel creed"

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u/drop_thesoap 3d ago

Good times. We swapped creed for default and they were "theory of a nicklefault "

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u/TechJugg 3d ago

there are radio regulations that require 1/3 songs per hour to be Canadian.

We have similar laws here in NZ, which gave rise to a band called Six60. It doesn't matter how decent of musicians they are, hearing them non-stop really makes you hate them

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u/TraNSlays 3d ago

I could care less about Nickelback but I will admit they have some hits.

The weird part are the people who go out of their way who have to let others know they hate Nickelback, like okay bro

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u/theperfectslurpee 3d ago

I was never a fan, maybe even a hater, but my kids love Imagine Dragons so I took them to a festival they headlined and fuck me, they were great

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u/Rocjames77 3d ago

Omg I got dragged to an imagine dragons concert by an ex girlfriend 5 years ago and my friends still make fun of me

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u/Environmental-Art792 3d ago Silver

Imagine dragon someone to an imagine dragons concert

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u/OhShitItsSeth 3d ago

Imagine dragon these nuts across your face lmao gottem

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u/SheepherderNo2440 3d ago

Only thing I can think of when I hear imagine dragons

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u/Rocjames77 3d ago

After I typed it I thought the same thing and was hoping someone as corny as myself would write this. You made my day

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u/Youngandidiotic radio reddit 3d ago

Fuck them live music is awesome

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u/NeedleworkerHairy607 3d ago

Yeah I've seen a few bands live at festivals that I never cared for to begin with, but thought they were a lot better after seeing them. Billy Talent was one. Some things get lost in sanitized studio recordings, but get put on display when you play it like you mean it.

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u/HerculesVoid 3d ago

Exactly this. I can bet over half of the artists you like, I can look them up online and think they're meh or not to my taste. But you'd argue they're amazing live. It's exactly the same for imagine dragons. Too pop for rockers, too rock for edm pop enjoyers.

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u/jbazildo 3d ago
  1. Couldn't stand those guys. Saw them live. Totally flipped. They both charmed and rocked me and I was surprised by both.

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u/psycharious 3d ago

A lot of pop rock bands will play up the "rock" aspect of their music live. When I heard Shinedown and Muse at Aftershock, it was obvious that they were playing "harder".

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u/Rocjames77 3d ago

It wasn't horrible just wasnt my cup of tea

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u/one_bean_hahahaha 3d ago

Elton John isn't my cup of tea and I would never buy tickets, but we scored two free box tickets once and had a blast because live music.

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u/Bladestorm04 3d ago

I definitely don't listen to his music regularly, but when he came to town tickets were a must buy for me! I knew he'd be so good and I danced the whole show

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u/StephentheGinger 3d ago

I shamelessly love imagine dragons. And nickelback

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u/Goducks91 3d ago edited 3d ago

My guilty pleasure is Imagine Dragons. I'll never admit that anywhere but here. Hahah

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u/KingJonathan 3d ago

I liked them right away when “Radioactive” came out but it’s been bleh since.

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u/coredenale 3d ago

"Look at this gold record,

Every time I do it makes me laugh,"

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u/mastofred26 3d ago edited 2d ago

*diamond they are a DIAMOND selling band

Silver Side Up 10m+ US and 8m+ Global

Without this band and success of SSU, other bands on the Roadrunner Records would not have had the CHANCE to grow, such as Slipknot who were breaking out around that time.

(Source: me, I worked at roadrunner records for a decade)

Edit: hmm folks do not seem to be reading what I wrote. I am NOT saying Nickelback is responsible for Slipknot’s success. NB helped keep the label afloat. I don’t need folks to talk me SK was a platinum band but I would love to hear your thoughts on how P/L charts look for a record the size of Roadrunner back then. Plenty of albums can go platinum without much profit when you’re spending two commas on music videos.

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u/fffffffffffffuuu 3d ago edited 3d ago

wtf i thought slipknot was popular way before Nickelback?

edit: holy shit the album that got me into slipknot was Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses which came out in 2004. Nickelback has been releasing music since fucking 1996

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u/opeth10657 3d ago

Nickelback signed with RR in '99, same year Slipknot's 1st album came out

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u/mastofred26 3d ago

Times a bitch! All blends together - slipknot were absolutely getting massive, no doubt, but they were not making Nickelback money at that time.

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u/fffffffffffffuuu 3d ago

i mean, have they ever made nickelback money? I feel like Nickelback somehow has a much broader appeal across more demographics than a band like slipknot could hope to have. Isn’t that why everyone “hates” Nickelback? They’re just too… radio perfect?

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u/Desperate_Young3365 3d ago

No. Nickelback has sold 50 million albums, Slipknot has sold a little over 9 million.

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u/pacificnwbro 3d ago

I totally forgot they were on RR! I actually like a couple Nickelback songs, but I'll happily take the bad ones if it helped fuel RR. That label was my high school years.

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u/mastofred26 3d ago

SSU came out ON September 11th. That album is a wild ride. That album is a greatest hits

Definitely not for everyone! But folks don’t realize they have a song with a Dimebag Darrell solo after his tragic death.

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u/hardrocker943 3d ago

SSU is fucking awesome. I love SSU and The Long Road. All the Right Reasons was pretty good. Dark Horse was ok I guess. Didn't like many of the ones after that. I still listen to SSU fairly regularly.

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u/JacedFaced 3d ago

My issue with Nickelback is with their post SSU albums where it felt like everything they did sounded the same. They had some decent stuff pre-SSU, but they found the formula that sold records and milked it for millions. Good for Chad and the rest of the band, if you don't like the music turn the station, it's super easy.

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u/notanotherherofck 3d ago

You can say the same for a lot of bands, AC/DC comes to mind, I might not know their song but in 15sec I know it's them.

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u/baddoggg 3d ago

Are you telling me we were rewarded slipknot for Nickelback's success?

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u/somesketchykid 3d ago

No, they both signed go RR same year and Slipknot self titled 1st album went platinum the very next year. Slipknots success is their own

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u/Aolian_Am 3d ago

Slipknot first album was Mate, Feed, Kill, Repeat I thought.

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u/FCkeyboards 3d ago

They mean the first album on Road Runner.

The band don't even consider it their debut and call it a demo tape.

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u/Midwake 3d ago

“Look at this graph” one of the most banger meme videos of all time

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u/_toodamnparanoid_ 3d ago

And every time we do it makes us laugh.

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u/JonnyZhivago 3d ago

Nor should he

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u/boot2skull 3d ago

I don’t care for their music, but people are why they’re around and successful. Can’t deny that. We will crack jokes and he can wipe his tears with $100s.

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u/SaticoySteele 3d ago

Reminds me of the Frankie Muniz (Malcolm In The Middle) response to some rando's twitter insults:

Rando: "ur acting is just awful. sorry, but it is"

Frankie: "Yeah, but being retired with $40,000,000 at 19 has not been awful. Good luck moving out of your mom's house before you're 35."

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u/Smilewigeon 2d ago

MitM has aged fantastically well. I still regularly watch it. None of the cast need to doubt their performances there.

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u/swatsquat 2d ago

It's my feel good show. It never fails to make me laugh.

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u/Smilewigeon 2d ago

Yeah same. Since it landed on Disney + I watched the whole series four or five times.

It captures that 00s zeitgeist perfectly and yet still feels contemporary - or perhaps that's just nostalgia speaking to me.

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u/__Thomas_McElroy__ 2d ago

20 years ago...back in the 00s....i think i need to lay down.

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u/Deskopotamus 3d ago

I agree, they have done pretty well for themselves, look at this graph.

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u/SaraHuckabeeSandwich 3d ago

Counterpoint: look at this graph

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u/TheSessionMan 3d ago

But he should thank Cancon regulations. Because of Cancon you couldn't listen to a rock station in Canada without hearing 3 Nickelback and 5 tragically hip songs an hour

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u/DistortedReflector 3d ago

You got a choice of:

  • Leader of Men

  • How You Remind Me

  • Rockstar

  • Photograph

And then a complete run through of Yer Favorites.

Bonus track plays of:

  • 54-40

  • Sloan

  • Mathew Sweet

  • Swollen Members

  • Alannis Morrissette

  • Nelly Furtado

  • Bran Van 3000

Fuck it, now I’m going to build my ultimate summer Canadian music playlist.

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u/JarvisFunk 3d ago

Do you mean Matthew Good lol? Hello Time Bomb was such a killer track

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u/torndownunit 3d ago edited 2d ago

Our Lady Peace, Finger 11, Barenaked ladies, the Watchman.

There's some I dug though. Big Wreck was a good band that benefited from CanCon and got played to hell . There was a chunk of time where some good stuff like Rheostatics benefited.

Edit: and for me personally I think teenage head could never be played enough.

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u/AnExpertInThisField 3d ago

Exactly. The Nickelback hate was/is a 101 course in Internet hive mind mentality. Personally, I don't care for their music. But were they truly the demonic scourge of rock music they were made out to be by seemingly everyone? I can think of a lot worse music.

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u/dong_tea 3d ago

The joke doesn't work if your example for terrible music is a band that no one has heard of. Nickelback was bland and very popular, thus making them the perfect target.

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u/KourteousKrome 3d ago edited 3d ago

Nickleback (and other butt rock stars of the time) were the Bud Light of music. Just kind of there, and it weirdly outsold all the superior products. Tasteless, though inoffensive.

Generally speaking, they weren't necessarily worse than other shitty radio rock music. Creed was another example. All of it was corporate schlock that was designed specifically to be catchy but without substance just to drive single sales.

My personal theory is that it happened because of the music industry crash of the 00s. Producers clamped down on creativity and pushed generic, templated sameness because their margins were so low. We're clawing back because of streaming services but in general the 00s and early 10s were a shit time to listen to the radio.

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u/nickstatus 3d ago

I think you're close, it had to do with the music industry crash. But that's only half the story. Mainstream rock music had become increasingly banal, commoditized, and mass produced, and at some point the producers overdid it, and people lost interest. Nickleback were the apex of this overly-produced garbage music. And as such, they kind of fit the role of fall guy.

I'd heard that Nickleback recently pivoted to a heavier sound. My friend described it as "metalcore", even. I wouldn't go that far, and I still don't like them, but they've definitely improved and evolved over the years.

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u/sleepykittypur 3d ago

San Quentin is a fucking banger and there's nothing you can say to convince me otherwise.

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u/bda22 3d ago

"taco bell gives me diarrhea" is also taught in that course

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u/klsi832 3d ago

‘How You Remind Me’ is good. So is that Spider-Man song.

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u/SweetDank 3d ago

"I am so high I can hear Heaven but Heaven don't hear me."

Never was much of a Nickelback fan but that is a pretty cool piece of poetry.

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u/futanari_kaisa 3d ago

Never Again was pretty good too.

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u/keanuereevesbeard 3d ago

Silver Side Up front to back slaps

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u/thatchers_pussy_pump 3d ago

I'll defend Silver Side Up to the grave. That album was everything it could be. Great heavy industrial sounds, great hard rock riffs, pretty solid songwriting, and nearly if not perfect production.

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u/drae- 3d ago

So does the state. First two albums were good.

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u/wcu25rs 3d ago

yep and throwing "Feeling Way Too Damn Good" out there too. Ive always thought that song was a banger.

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u/Mopman43 3d ago

I’m fond of ‘Burn it to the Ground’. Really like the opening guitar.

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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 3d ago

The Edmonton Oilers have used that song for their hype video package at home games for the last 3 or 4 years, its unreal. It gets the crowd super pumped.

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u/TheRipley78 3d ago

Hero, with Josey Scott. And no cap, I still listen to I Wanna Be A Rockstar.

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u/politicalstuff 3d ago edited 2d ago

The Nickelback hate was/is a 101 course in Internet hive mind mentality.

Eh, not really. I mean yeah, it's overblown, but if you were there at the time, it wasn't for nothing.

You have to understand that they blew up while radio and MTV were still relevant and before music was as fractured as it is now, so a lot of music was casually consumed on the radio, in public, on TV, etc. Nickelback was freaking EVERYWHERE. You could not escape them.

So, while now if you don't like music you just don't load it up on your Spotify on your phone or whatever and go on with your day. Then, they were EVERYWHERE. Every radio station played them every few minutes. They were on TV. They played in stores. Their songs were in freaking movie soundtracks. It was inescapable, so a song you just were meh about and would just ignore was assaulting your ears constantly, so people got resentful.

It's also not that Nickelback were terrible. It's that they were super disproportionately successful for how mediocre their music was, and they were overplayed to the extreme. A lot of the issue IMO was just a side of effect of when they happened to blow up. If they came out today they wouldn't have nearly the extreme views as they did at the time because the default ways people consume music are just different.

I personally am not a fan, but they have a couple bangers here and there.

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u/caninehere 3d ago

Just to add on to this. I'm Canadian and so is Nickelback. In Canada we have laws that 30% of radio content must be Canadian content. So if you listen to a rock station you hear a LOT of the same Canadian bands when they're popular.

Sometimes that isn't a bad thing, for example the Tragically Hip rule and their stuff would get played all the time. But then you have Nickelback. Fucking Nickelback. And their songs would get played all. The. Time. Even if they had a song that wasn't awful (and I do think their music, from what I've heard, ranges from mediocre to awful), being forced to hear it on the radio will make you hate it.

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u/ThePencilRain 3d ago

Nickleback, finger 11, our lady peace...on constant rotation.

Those were dark days

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u/torndownunit 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's supposed to benefit Canadian music, but it really only benefits big bands, or bands that labels really want to push. I don't listen to radio anymore but I assume the same thing still goes on with Canadian radio. While I never listened to bands like Our Lady Peace, Finger 11 etc. I never considered them 'bad'. They were just safe, bland, radio friendly music. A lot of people enjoy that. The CanCon regulations barely benefited any of what I consider some amazing Canadian bands of my generation though.

Edit: I forgot the biggest CanCon abuse of my generation. I don't think there is any song I heard more in a day than "life is a highway" by Tom Cochran. That song would be the sountrack to hell for me.

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u/SkullheadMary 3d ago

Exactly this. I worked as a convenience/drug store inventory counter in the early 2000s and I’d spend my whole day having to listen to their bland repetitive songs at work in the stores. We’d spend a lot of time on the road between stores and guess what was on the radio all day long? Fucking Nickelback. They were relentless lol

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u/Ok_Skill_1195 3d ago

To reiterate what you're saying, Imagine Dragons is basically the new Nickelback. They get shit not because they're bad, but because they're song are a little generic and clearly formulated to be highly commercial.

They don't get nearly the same degree of hatred though because the music landscape is entirely different. You don't feel like you are surrounded by imagine dragons 24/7. You notice them soundtracking a commercial and then you go "oh did I forget to turn adblocker off?" and go about your day

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u/thegroovemonkey 3d ago

A lot of their songs also sound the same so it felt like hearing the same song over and over and over well past the expiration date of butt rock. They absolutely wore me down over time.

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u/politicalstuff 3d ago

Yep, they found their formula and milked it. I don't blame them, but i got tired of hearing That Nickelback Song, whichever one, every 20 minutes.

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u/toiletmannersBTV 3d ago

It's this. They were being played every 30 minutes on every rock radio station for years. It didn't start off completely awful, but it certainly ended that way.

And for the record, I completely gave up on the radio because of Green Day's Wake Me Up When September Ends. Not a terrible song, but constantly being played.

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u/jtmarshiii 3d ago

Black Hole Sun was it for me and I still can't listen to that song and enjoy it. When it was playing on everything all the time. Home late after bar and told my friend why I disliked Black Hole Sun while it was played on MTV only to have it repeated after the commercials. Then we fell asleep and when my friend woke up to get ready for work switch on the TV... Black Hole Sun was on and he woke me up to tell me I was right.

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u/ThePencilRain 3d ago

I used to call the only mostly tolerable radio station where I lived and offered money to not play that song during my daily commute the year it came out.

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u/realjones888 3d ago

"How You Remind Me" was the most played song on radio in the 00s, and it didn't even come out until mid 2001. It was on every station for hard rock to easy listening you couldn't escape it.

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u/rolandfoxx 3d ago

I'll take it a step further; Nickelback wouldn't even have blown up today because they'd be completely lost in all the other mediocre bar bands with a Bandcamp page.

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u/Cobbertson 3d ago

I like your pants around your feet And I like the dirt that's on your knees And I like the way you still say "Please" While you're looking up at me

-Chad Kroeger

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u/rocketsauce2112 3d ago

Who exactly asked him to apologize?

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u/OvercookedGongShow 3d ago

And what the hell is on Joey's head?

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u/Zabunia 3d ago

"'The thing that was on Joey’s head was a champagne bucket that my wife and I got Chad for his housewarming, and it was somehow secured to his head by what appears to be a bra – I'm not sure about that, but I think it’s a bra,' recalls Kroeger." - https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/nickelback-explains-joeys-head-photograph/

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u/flubberFuck 3d ago

Thanks for the info. Never knew that.

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u/CreepyBlackDude 3d ago edited 2d ago Gold

"Somewhere along the way of their highly-successful, record-breaking career, Nickelback became the butt of all jokes. While the reasons why may forever remain a mystery, frontman Chad Kroeger, has a couple of ideas why the group has such vocal haters."

Actually, the reasons are very well known:

  1. Nickelback was EVERYWHERE in the early 2000's. Specifically, "This Is How You Remind Me" was played on every radio station every day for a couple years straight, in the era before YouTube and Spotify where the radio was still the main way to listen to music you didn't own. You could not escape it. Even if you liked it, it probably grated on you to hear it for the 10th time in a week...and if you were just "meh" the first time, you wanted to gouge your eardrums out by the last.
  2. There was a joke made by Brian Posehn on Comedy Central's Tough Crowd With Colin Quinn where he said, "No one talks about the studies that show that bad music makes people violent, like Nickelback makes me want to kill Nickelback." This should have been just a one-off quip...except that Comedy Central played it in its promos for the show which ran repeatedly for months on end. Kids started repeating it in their schools, and the Nickelback hate grew rapidly from there.

That being said, Nickelback very much acknowledge that it was that very hate that kept them relevant for so long when other bands of their era have long since gone by the wayside. They also really enjoy some of the more creative jokes at their expense--they've talked about "Look At This Graph" in a positive light many times.

P.S. - I sourced that Tough Crowd link from an old Reddit post by u/babycarrotman which goes into much greater detail on this very subject, so big credit to him.

Edit - Wanted to point out that while it wasn't quite on the level of Nickelback, the band Coldplay had the exact same thing happen to them a couple of years later for the exact same reasons, with the same result of them being hated by everyone for a while. Just replace the Brian Posehn joke with a Paul Rudd line from The 40-Year Old Virgin: "You know how I know you're gay? You like Coldplay."

I'm certain there are other examples of bands that were hated by everyone that can be traced back to specific lines or jokes. If you can think of anymore, let me know.

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u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS 3d ago

Ah, so along with red haired people, gay guys, and Jews, they got South Parked to a bunch of 12 year olds without the actual south park (til later)

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u/Mogwai10 3d ago

The only thing I’ll ever laugh about nickelback related things is that look at this graph video on YouTube.

I can’t not fall down with laughter when he sings that.

My god it’s perfect and I’m glad life gave us that video.

Oh hell if someone hasn’t seen it. Please enjoy.

https://youtu.be/sIlNIVXpIns

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u/GirraficPark 3d ago

Have you seen the beauty that is Pantsfeet?

Really only the first minute or so...

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u/Lupulus_ 3d ago

Say what you want about Nickelback, but nobody died every single day

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u/rodmandirect 2d ago

That AI is afrigging genius

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u/WH0_what_where 3d ago

My husband is a singer in a rock band. Played the video clip, my son’s says “it sounds like Dad”, husband is not amused, I’m crying. Thank you 😂

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u/playtio 3d ago

The Chad Kroeger vs the virgin hater

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u/DodGamnBunofaSitch 3d ago

but does he have anything to do with the Kroeger grocery chain?

it'd be the chad kroeger vs the virgin walmart

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u/Kurwasaki12 3d ago

The super market conglomerate is Kroger, not Kroeger.

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u/mejibray860 3d ago

Weirdly enough, there's some interesting overlap between the two Kroegers

There's a really interesting video that graphs out all the similarities:

https://youtu.be/sIlNIVXpIns

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u/DrFunkensteinberg 3d ago

Look at this graaaappphhh

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u/jepayotehi 3d ago

Never made it as a wise man

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u/Accidental_Taco 3d ago

Little Women musta damn near killed you

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u/Enthusiastically 3d ago edited 3d ago

I'm gonna be a contrarian and say good for anyone making a living playing music.

Sold out? Take the money and run. Whether it's Nickelback or whoever wrote that baby shark song or even Kenny G pissing his bullshit sax all over Louis Armstrong's recordings and pretending it's art, like he's Andy Warhol's new lover. If you can turn your music into food for your family to eat, good for you.

I've got no hate in my heart at all for any working musicians except for the abusers and for Kenny G. And even with him it’s like good for you for eating from your music.

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u/deathschemist spoot. 3d ago

my favourite example of an act "selling out" is chumbawamba, who went commerical, had a massive hit, and then went right back to shitting all over the industry, just with a big bag of cash now.

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u/Enthusiastically 3d ago

If you are a starving artist and have a chance to sell out. Do it. Be intelligent about it but do it.

Your street cred with people who read pitchfork every day won’t pay your bills. Hating people who sold out in music is like living in a 50 person town and hating people who moved to a big city and are succeeding. It’s a bad way to be.

I’ll check that act out. Never gonna put on a nickelback album but every sell out is a bunch of musicians working full time, which hell yeah.

I wish indie and alternative scenes would steal a little swagger from hip hop here.

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u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS 3d ago

He is overplayed but I appreciate someone like Ed Sheeran for this. He straight up says that certain songs he makes have one goal and one goal only: getting loads of cash being played at weddings. And then he can do singles that he likes more without the record label rioting.

Playing 10 billboard bait songs and one song personal to you in front of a sold out crowd is still one good song, and that's a lot more than 99.999999% of people get to do.

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u/10019245 3d ago

Aah Chumbawamba, my childhood love! I had their albums before Tubthumper came out, no-one ever believed me in school when I was like "I've been listening to these for years!"

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u/sonofgildorluthien 3d ago

whoever wrote that baby shark song

It's a dude from South Korea named Kim Min-Seok; he's worth over $300 million now.

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u/TheTimeCactus 3d ago

Which is bullshit because Baby Shark (in both melody and choreography) has been around for much longer than the recent version that went viral. We sang a bastardized version at Bible camp in the 90s and definitely weren't the first to do it. Spoiler: The family of sharks eat you, but it's cool cuz you go to heaven and party with Jesus.

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u/InquisitaB 3d ago

Chad Kroeger feels genuine about his music. He reminds me, in a way, of Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park. Optimistic and proud of his music. If you want to watch some incredibly wholesome content, check out this video of Mike Shinoda reacting to kids listening to Linkin Park.

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u/19whale96 3d ago

Mike is the Keanu Reeves of the Rock industry

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u/OllyTwist 3d ago

This was great, thanks for posting.

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u/k0uch 3d ago

He said it was in 2017, so it would have been at most months before Chester hung himself. Sad to think it’s smiles and good times, and then life changes

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u/InquisitaB 3d ago

I definitely thought about that as I watched it.

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u/JerHat 3d ago

Nor should he, Nickelback makes generic rock music... it works... isn't great, but whatever.

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u/International_Jello 3d ago

That song isn’t about looking at photographs lol, it’s about never being able to truly go home. I think that qualifies as a heavy thought

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u/Commemorative_Pasta 3d ago

Nickelback is much as over-hated as creed. The dudes found the magic formula to get their music massive and they achieved it. No ghost songwriters, no convinient change of genres, no use of artificial instruments to create sounds.

You want raw and technically complex songs with no pop appealing? go listen to the dilinger escape plan, animals as leaders or meshuggah instead.

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u/kevlarbuns 3d ago

In chads defense, he seems much more likeable and self aware than Scott Stapp did during Creed’s moment.

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u/Pyrochazm 3d ago

Stapp was completely full of himself.

Don't get me wrong, I liked creed at the time, but the Jesus poses he did all the time screamed egomaniac.

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u/kevlarbuns 3d ago

Lol, I was so committed to hating them. Then a buddy put in a CD and wouldn’t answer who it was, said “just listen”. It was What If, and I was absolutely loving the first 20 seconds. Dude tricked me into recognizing Creed could write a good song or half a dozen.

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u/Pyrochazm 3d ago

What if is great. Beautiful is another I really liked. Tremonti is a riff monster.

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u/BlackIsTheSoul 3d ago

Alter bridge ftw

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u/DudeOverHere 3d ago edited 3d ago

I’ll listen to anything Myles Kennedy sings.

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u/TheOneManDankMaymay 3d ago

Save Defiance with Mark Morton is a "hidden" gem for those who don't know.

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u/TheOneManDankMaymay 3d ago

Damn right. But Mark's and Myles' solo stuff is nothing to be scoffed at either.

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u/kevlarbuns 3d ago

Those riffs won me over. What if has some that would be at home in different kinds of metal. Bit of thrash, bit of groove, bit of orchestral. Great guitar showcase.

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u/calfan5 3d ago

I listened to Human Clay all the time in the early/mid 2000s. I think it was my 2nd CD I owned as a kid. Love that album, the riffs are indeed awesome

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u/PFunk224 3d ago

Mark Tremonti made me want to own a PRS Singlecut, his riffs were so good.

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u/duskywindows 3d ago

I don't give a fuck: "Bullets" fucks SO hard, and I will absolutely blast it as loudly as possible every once in a while, headbanging till my neck snaps.

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u/DashCat9 3d ago

If you want all of the creed with none o the Stapp, just listen to Alter Bridge.

Creed has more amazing songs than you might think, too.

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u/kevlarbuns 3d ago

Myles is a hometown guy. Great dude. The Mayfield Four were an awesome local band. We were pretty lucky to get to see him play dives when I was a teenager.

https://youtu.be/8EbR-e6twKc

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u/bigpeechtea 3d ago

Look at his hair too, dude absolutely saw himself as the second coming of Christ

Like you can have long hair that’s fine. But to be a religious nut with long hair and constantly pose like your Jesus while you have millions of followers? Yea he thought he was a messiah

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u/darkness1685 3d ago

There's plenty of good and accessible music in between nickelback and DEP.

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u/CorgiDaddy42 3d ago

Ehhhh I think the bigger problem with Creed is Scott Stapp is a dick. There even used to be a website dedicated to how much of a dick he was, named ScottStappisadick dot com.

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u/UX-Edu 3d ago

I’m gonna go see Animals as Leaders in a couple months. Should be a packed house, but it’s not a particularly massive venue. I don’t like Nickelback very much but they definitely drew a crowd and got paid. Can’t really argue with the scoreboard

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u/Enthusiastically 3d ago

You don't need that many fans when every third fan buys a 2,000 dollar guitar from your guitar concepts shop.

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u/dwilkes827 3d ago

I haven't seen Animals as Leaders yet but I saw Abasi on a tour with other guitar players and he played some AaL songs, you're in for a treat. The dude is a wizard on guitar. His thumb is magical

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u/Stonebagdiesel 3d ago

Was this the show with all those shredders like yngwie malmsteen and Steve vai?

That was a weird show, Tosin was by far the highlight ( and he played first) but it was a bit weird when the show was just 2 and a half hours of dudes noodling on guitar haha. Still enjoyable.

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u/DC_Disrspct_Popeyes 3d ago

Honestly can't recall the last time I've seen someone reference Dillinger escape plan.

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u/GladiatorUA 3d ago

no use of artificial instruments to create sounds

What does this have to do with anything? Also, it's rarely a guarantee.

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u/Datathrash 3d ago

They mean that they only use hand carved bone flutes and gourds strung with animal gut from their own kills. Not some fancy electric instruments with effects boxes and highly produced recordings like some kinda fakers!

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u/almosthuman2021 3d ago

Creed is another one that’s puzzled me I don’t like them but they haven’t released an album since 2009 and their last hit was in like 2003. It was so bizarre the hate because I often forgot they existed before the memes which I think actually kept them relevant lol

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u/neverw1ll 3d ago

I remember the biggest criticism at the time was that Scott Stapp sounded too much like Eddie Vedder.

I'll be the first to admit, there's a lot of Creed songs that slap. Alter Bridge is great too. Mark Tremonti is a monster on guitar and writes sick riffs.

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u/spect0rjohn 3d ago

Well… there’s also the Scott is Jesus imagery that was a tiny bit heavy handed.

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u/Confident_Bluejay 3d ago

Creed’s music was also emotional and a tad melodramatic which makes them easy targets. But musically, they are pretty good and wrote catchy tunes.

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u/DamnitBobby2008 3d ago

It's been a while

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u/btener412 3d ago

Isn’t that Staind?

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u/DamnitBobby2008 3d ago

Goddammit, you're right.

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u/dwilkes827 3d ago

This is the reason people call these bands generic and formulaic, can't even tell them apart lol

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u/mider-span 3d ago

They are the Olive Garden of rock music.

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u/desde1984 3d ago

Wow, I totally get this. I've never had a horrible meal at Olive Garden. I've never had an exceptionally great one either, but the food is not horrible and they are consistent.

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u/dirtyculture808 3d ago

Because it’s full of butter/fat, impossible to hate that

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u/slippin_park 3d ago

When you hate it, you're family?

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u/big_hungry_joe 3d ago

So there are breadsticks at their shows?

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u/anderoogigwhore 3d ago

I saw Nickelback a few years ago (I went for Seether who were the support act). Honestly, they are actually a fun band live. They played the five songs I like and Chad had some banter with the crowd.

Their opening video clips on the screen was basically 'no one likes us and we dont care, we get paid to play music' and Chad had a roadie whose job during the show was to make Jaegerbombs and bring the jug out to him on stage. If ANYONE thinks they take themselves seriously they are being trolled.

That being said, I fucking hate 'Rockstar' with every fibre of my being.

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u/InsuranceInner3040 3d ago edited 3d ago

There is a LOT worse music than Nickelback out there being mass consumed.

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u/selicos 3d ago edited 3d ago

Into The Night with Santana just shreds

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u/Riker87 3d ago

Just gonna throw this out there, Chad’s song he wrote for Spider-Man 2 is one of my favorite songs from the early 2000s.

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u/kevlarbuns 3d ago

My guy is gonna have the Guy Fieri bounce-back. The pendulum of ‘cool’ favors longevity and consistency.

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u/false-identification 3d ago

Maybe but Guy won a lot of people over with his charity.

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u/user_account_deleted 3d ago

Was Guy ever disliked? I always thought the meme was that he LOOKED ridiculous, but I also thought he was mostly viewed as a decent, entertaining dude.

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u/Pixilatedlemon 3d ago

I’m a sucker for an unthreatening corny famous dude like Guy. I love that he just does his own thing.

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u/user_account_deleted 3d ago

I watched the shit out of Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives. And it's cool he has his style, but I'll be damned if it isn't objectively goofy AF lol.

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u/Pixilatedlemon 3d ago

He’s so goofy but it’s part of his brand. He doesn’t have a single fan that would deny that he’s a goofball, it’s just part of the appeal. I just dream of a better tomorrow where people can be corny goofballs without being disliked so to speak haha

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u/BrianWilsonsOldApt 3d ago

Do not kill the part of that is cringe. Kill the part that cringes.

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u/BrianWilsonsOldApt 3d ago edited 3d ago

Guy was disliked. There was that NYT 1 star review of his restaurant, that made the rounds for a while. The writer even did live readings of it. Anthony Bourdain took shots at Guy, many times over the years. Despite the fact that Bourdain and Guy do (did) essentially the same show. Bourdain was not shy about his love of street food, or "low" dining. The only difference is he did it in Thailand instead of the USA.

Lots of weird rumours run around that Guy is a homophobe - despite the fact that his sister was gay and by all accounts he was very close with her. After she passed away he all but adopted her son and raised him. He officiated a mass same-sex wedding with very little PR after the fact.

Guy is definitely a goober on camera, but that's his brand now. A couple restaurants in town were on DDD and apparently off-camera he's very different.

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u/ACardAttack The Beatles 3d ago

Nick Cage

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u/kevlarbuns 3d ago

Yeah, he’s another great example for sure. Keanu. Blink 182. Etc.

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u/thugdout 3d ago

When was Nic ever not cool? Even when he was down my man was giving Oscar-worthy performances in terrible movies, always giving it his all even if it was straight to DVD shit.

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u/BrianWilsonsOldApt 3d ago

Let no one say Cage doesn't do the work. Doesn't matter what movie it is, he doesn't phone it in.

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u/mostlygroovy 3d ago

I’m not a big fan, but people saying they suck or are the worst is just a lazy meme. There are many worse and less talented bands than these guys.