r/PublicFreakout • u/mouthofreason • Aug 07 '21

Large protests are underway in Paris and many other cities in France against vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations. 😷Pandemic Freakout

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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21

If you don’t have a health reason to not take a vaccine, why would you not take it?

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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21

Not sure where in the world you’re from but I believe in something called freedom of choice! Let me explain. I literally have the tail end of a covid infection right now, barely a cough and a slightly high temperature, had worse hang overs to be honest and I haven’t had the vaccine.

I have a friend at work who is currently on life support because after having his second jab last week he had a very bad reaction and his chest filled with fluid putting pressure on his vital organs. May be related to the vaccine… may not, but you won’t see it in the news I know that much! 😂

I am not anti vaccine… I will probably have it eventually but I would appreciate having the choice rather than being forced into it through fear of poverty 👍🏻

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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21

Where does that attitude stop?

Is it OK for someone to get sloppy drunk and drive their car through town at high speed?

It’s a matter of personal choice, as you say.

The problem with your point of view is it doesn’t take into account your impact on people you encounter.

Your freedom of choice cannot infringe on someone else’s freedom of choice.

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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21

We have laws to stop people driving into crowds last time I checked. If the people I encounter are so bothered about covid then its their decision to protect themselves with a vaccine.

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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21

So should we have law requiring vaccinations? Oh wait, we already DO! You can’t send a child to school without them!

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u/Paul2777 Aug 07 '21

In what country is that law?

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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21

We have laws to stop people driving into crowds last time I checked.

So you think we should have laws preventing people going in public spaces when they aren't vaccinated?

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u/Paul2777 Aug 08 '21

Nah I think unvaccinated people like myself should be able to go anywhere

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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21

Then you're being inconsistent with what you just said. You literally said that limiting people's freedom of driving drunk is ok because we have laws against that is ok, but limiting people's freedom of spreading a deadly disease by making a laws isn't ok.

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u/LogicAnswers Aug 08 '21

limiting people's freedom of spreading a deadly disease by making a laws isn't ok

But you are not limiting the spread with the vaccine.

Already proven, already publicly admitted.

So, like I told you in previous posts, a vaccine passport is literally a free pass to spread covid at will.

Ideas of a mad man.

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u/Paul2777 Aug 08 '21

These people seem to think the vaccine stops people carrying or passing on covid. All it does is teach the vaccinated person’s immune system to defend itself when they become infected. Same as having covid and overcoming it but not as good.

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u/LogicAnswers Aug 08 '21

These people seem to think the vaccine stops people carrying or passing on covid.

These kind of useful idiots is the only reason why covid is still a thing.

All it does is teach the vaccinated person’s immune system to defend itself when they become infected.

At this point, even this is a maybe. Israel has mostly vaccinated people in hospitals. And the delta variant, as far as we can look at other countries, is less deadly/more contagious.

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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21

All it does is teach the vaccinated person’s immune system to defend itself when they become infected.

It also reduce your chance of catching it which also means that it reduce your chance of being able to spread it since you can't spread it if you don't catch it in the first place.

Same as having covid and overcoming it but not as good better.

FTFY
It's literally less side effects for better immunity.

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u/Paul2777 Aug 08 '21

I’m saying you can’t compare the two things. Drink driving is completely different, someone has to actively drink and put themselves into a dangerous position and there are laws against it. Going to a public space when you’re unvaccinated puts no one in danger because its a 99.7% survivable virus and if anyone there is so terrified of covid or is either vulnerable or old then they have the option of getting themselves vaccinated. I’m not anti-vaccination, I’m anti forced vaccination and coming out with crap like its the same as drink driving is just another way to try and shame people into it. There are people out there who legitimately can’t have the vaccine for multiple reasons. Should they live like hermits and never be allowed to leave the house?

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u/charlesfire Aug 08 '21

puts no one in danger because its a 99.7% survivable virus

You're literally putting "put not one in danger" and "do cause deaths" in the same sentence. You know that most DUI don't cause deaths either, so why is it ok to make it illegal?

if anyone there is so terrified of covid or is either vulnerable or old then they have the option of getting themselves vaccinated.

If anyone there is so terrified of DUI or is either vulnerable or old then they have the option of wearing protections (helmet, padding, etc).

I’m not anti-vaccination, I’m anti forced vaccination

And yet we are here on a post about a protest against a pass you can get even if you're unvaccinated...

There are people out there who legitimately can’t have the vaccine for multiple reasons. Should they live like hermits and never be allowed to leave the house?

  1. The vaccine passport is literally the best way we currently have to protect these people without making them live like hermits. That's actually one of the main argument in favor of the sanitary pass.
  2. These people can still legally get the sanitary pass.