I had so many vaccines and I thought it was normal. I managed to survive public school, where itâs pretty fucking nasty there and people are too caught up with the local culture to even consider hygiene.
I don't support those protests as they're run mostly by antivaxxers and anti-regulation groups.
But, there can be good and very bad legislation with the same general goal. Imagine Marine Le Pen, Orban, or Erdogan mandating or issuing passports on anything. In Europe there are already enough parties you don't want to have such power.
So, imo, first, there must be a clear understanding how far the lawmaker can go. Then, there should be a clear framework centered around the drug approval process, rather than the political process, with explicit and conditioned norms who can and cannot be mandated (a comprehensive system for exceptions is just as important as the design of the mandate). After all, such encroachment on personal rights can't be regulated merely by one's good intentions.
What are you arguing against? You do realize thereâs no passport being made here, right? Itâs literally just requiring a vaccine in order to use public services which already happens with schools.
I donât think thatâs how that works, but Iâd have to look into it. We have all the answers because this has been a thing for decades.
EDIT: Itâs hard to sort through all the COVID vaccine exemption bullshit, but it looks like you still pay taxes for the school system even if your child canât go there, since itâs based on where you live.
I'm not against the vaccine, i'm vaccinated myself, but i'm against how much the governments wants to force us to do something like this, this is only one thing, what would the next thing be.
But again, itâs been this way for decades and nobody has said anything against it. Itâs part of participating in society. You canât kill people, by fist or by blade, by breath or by sneeze. If youâre choosing to risk lives, you donât get to participate in society.
Some are recommended, some are required, some are specific situations. 2006 is the oldest I could find, but I donât know French so itâs probably easier for someone who does to find a better one.
That's a bit scary, luckily we're having the freedom in my country to decide for ourself, and at the same time we're probably doing better than most other countries.
I obviously agree with the concept that you shouldn't be allowed to intentionally harm others in a society (ie murder, assault, etc), but it seems rather arbitrary as to where we draw the line. Covid is not a "sure thing" in the sense that trying to murder someone requires a certain level of intent and execution. Virus transmission does not (at least in this context). It isn't certain that you have/will pass Covid, and it isn't certain that if you did someone will be seriously harmed. I don't see a logical or moral consistency with the argument that not being vaccinated is tantamount to a societal crime, but in California for instance it is no longer a felony to knowingly infect someone with HIV, a virus that has a much higher certainty of serious, life changing/ending implications. Why are we selectively and unequally advocating for this?
Nothing has a 100% chance of death, especially with modern medicine. People survive gunshot wounds, car crashes, stabbings, poisons, etc. all the time. If your argument is that there has to be a certain likelihood of harm, then there's no winning against you because you can just keep changing it.
Personally, I would stick to the "your rights end where mine begin" mindset and say that if you are intentionally trying to hurt someone, regardless of how likely, you don't have that right. Knowingly infecting someone with HIV is still illegal, just not a felony. Knowingly infecting someone with COVID should also be illegal. If you decide you want to ignore rules because you feel like it, you should be separated from society because you obviously have no sense of morals whatsoever.
Lastly, why the fuck are you replying to a 16 day old comment?
Generally our laws are structured around the concept that the punishment should fit the crime. More serious crimes result in more serious punishment. That obviously isn't true across the board, but I think that's the generally accepted intent. Would you rather have Covid, a disease in which you have a 99% chance of full recovery, or HIV, a disease that up until very recently had nearly a 100% death rate, and years of complications? For me it's a no-brainer. With that in mind, I think the "punishment" for Covid should be orders of magnitude less harsh than that for HIV transmission. In practice, preventing someone from travel, work, public access, etc is significantly more harsh than a simple misdemeanor.
My point in all this is not to necessarily equate covid to HIV, but to make the point that the fervor towards covid and covid restrictions don't track with our own previously established metrics on how to handle other public health situations. It feels like an authoritarian overreach.
But seatbelt and drunk driving laws are from the government. You know why? Because it saves lives.
Kinda like vaccines do.
Sometimes the population is too dumb to do the thing that is safest for everyone. So the government has to step in lest 616k more Americans die from covid. It's not like they're pushing for mandating we all...go vegan. It's a matter of public health and safety.
It is not the same, but even if you see it that way, it's an extension of that control. Such power won't be used only when it is right, at very least it is a new direction the legislative process can evolve in, and even now you have to ensure that special cases aren't ignored as an insignificant statistic.
There is always a crisis that needs to be solved and the suggested approach is coincidentally without any other alternatives and no need for a review.
I don't think any of those vaccines used a new technology and were the fastest vaccine to go into global distribution though. I'm not anti-vax, but it's not just another vaccine added to the list, business as usual
Correct, the current raft of vaccinations required for US school attendance are all fairly old vaccines.
But please donât forget that mRNA technology is itself not ânewâ. Itâs been in Research and Development for 50 years. This was just the first vaccine to use it.
Itâs actually safer than the original technique of using âattenuatedâ or Weakened virus strains. There is NOTHING in the mRNA vaccine that can âgiveâ you the virus. All that is in it is the DNA required to identify the Spike proteins on the virus.
After you get the mRNA vaccines your body starts to break them down almost immediately. After about a week itâs all gone and your body is then making antibodies for the payload that was in them.
I had the Pfizer vaccine and my shoulder muscles felt âfullâ or sore for about 8 hours after each shot. My wife and kids all got the J&J vaccine, made with more traditional techniques, and they all felt poorly for 8-16 hours afterward.
Just to be clear, I agree with what you said. There is no evidence that the vaccine is harmful in any way, other than there were a few cases of blood clotting issues in people with a rare genetic disposition.
I'm pointing out that there is some reason for people to be sceptical of this vaccine without believing in QAnon. There's talk of 3rd doses and annual doses which also makes people more wary of a vaccine mandate
Yeah I have a friend who's been losing his sight since he was 14 due to retinitis pigmentosa. His first dose made his vision significantly more impared.
Tests were mostly done on people without disabilities, he said. So if you or anyonr you know has RP, be aware it can cause issues.
3rd, 4th or yearly vaccines are frankly a godsend if each major mutation becomes more tranmissable and deadly. We're dealing with a fluid situation that can kill a large number of people as well as overwhelm our healthcare system. Add to the fact that newer variants are more deadly for younger children and you would think people would realize wtf is going on.
It's interesting to me that this shit isn't going on in Russia, but magically taking root and causing chaos in Western societies.
New technology??? CRISPR, the technology behind the Pfizer/BioNtec and Moderna vaccines, was first published in 1987. The first application proposing a role of CRISPR in immunity response was published in 2005.
CRISPR () (which is an acronym for clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats) is a family of DNA sequences found in the genomes of prokaryotic organisms such as bacteria and archaea. These sequences are derived from DNA fragments of bacteriophages that had previously infected the prokaryote. They are used to detect and destroy DNA from similar bacteriophages during subsequent infections. Hence these sequences play a key role in the antiviral (i.
This is the first time an mRNA vaccine has been approved. Of course they didn't just work overtime one weekend in 2020 and come up with a new branch of vaccines
I appreciate that you acknowledge that they did not came up with them overnight. However, mRNA injection is not new either. They were first tested in animals in 1990.
I point this out for people reading this who truly think these vaccines were rushed from the ground up.
The first successful transfection of mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle into a cell was published in 1989.[15][16] "Naked" (or unprotected) mRNA was injected a year later into the muscle of mice.[3][17] These studies were the first evidence that in vitro transcribed mRNA could deliver the genetic information to produce proteins within living cell tissue[3] and led to the concept proposal of messenger RNA vaccines.[18][19]
Liposome-encapsulated mRNA was shown in 1993 to stimulate T-cells in mice,[20][21] and mRNA proved useful two years later to elicit both humoral and cellular immune response against a pathogen.[3][22][23]
A ribonucleic acid (RNA) vaccine or messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine is a type of vaccine that uses a copy of a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) to produce an immune response. The vaccine transfects molecules of synthetic RNA into immunity cells, where the vaccine functions as mRNA, causing the cells to build foreign protein that would normally be produced by a pathogen (such as a virus) or by a cancer cell. These protein molecules stimulate an adaptive immune response which teaches the body to identify and destroy the corresponding pathogen or cancer cells.
My employer requires all applicable vaccinations for employment and yearly we are required to get the Flu vaccine and now we had to provide proof of COVID vaccination.
My gym requires masks and that everyone spray and wipe down the equipment after using it.
LOL, yea, approved vaccines that have been around for over a half century or more, most for illnesses that wiped out tens or hundreds of millions of people, MANY of which were kids. Green passes are idiotic since now we know the vaccinated can catch and pass on COVID which is the point of green passes, to get people together that can't.
I assume Green Pass is a form of what some call a Vaccination Passport?
The problem with ANY virus is that the more people that get infected, the greater the chance of Variants that change the behavior of the virus. Some will weaken the virus, others will make it more infectious or deadly.
This is where the Delta variant came from.
The faster we can get âenoughâ people vaccinated the lower the chance that a new variant developed that can break through the vaccine effect.
Delta is Close to a break through, but being vaccinated is still MUCH better for you than NOT being vaccinated. If you are vaccinated and come into contact with Delta your chances of being infected are higher than if you came into contact with the earlier strains but the chances are still much lower than if you were not vaccinated. And if you DO get infected you have a better chance of fighting it off quicker and or having lower grade side effects during and after infection.
Also, since being vaccinated reduces the chance of active infections, it reduces the chance of new variations forming and that is VERY desirable.
Final calculation â- GET AS MANY PEOPLE VACCINATED as soon as possible.
LOL, ok, how far behind the news curve are you? It seems the vaccinated are the issue now. In Israel, 90% of all new cases are double vaxxed. 85% of all hospitalized double vaxxed. Iceland the same. Both countries are among the most vaccinated in the world. The CDC put out a report that in Mass, 74% of all new cases are vaccinated. Gibraltar is the only place on earth where every adult is vaccinated, they now have the 3rd highest rate of infection per capita in the world.
The evidence is overwhelming, it's not the unvaxxed that is the issue, it's the vaxxed and the inventor of mRNA, Dr Robert Malone explained this would be the issue, those vaxxed get unnatural spikes in immunity and by month 5 they have more vulnerability to viruses.
Variants are NOT a bad thing. Throughout history, it's the variants that become more transmittable but less lethal.
Green passes, yes vaccine passes are absurd because they have been passed under the premise the vaccinated don't catch and spread which we now know they do just like unvaccinated.
The CDC DID find that "an outbreak" in Mass that included a 74% reinfection rate which is why they changed their recommendation on Masking. Also a percentage is MEANINGLESS without the sample size. 74% of 6 is MUCH different than 74% of 100,000 people. The article I found doesn't state how many people were involved. One is a statistical aberration while the other would be deeply concerning. A quote from the article ... "A CDC document that was reviewed by CNBC warned that the delta variant sweeping across the country is as contagious as chickenpox, has a longer transmission window than the original Covid strain and may make older people sicker, even if theyâve been fully vaccinated."
A little reading on Virus Mutation for those that are interested, its more than I can explain in a few paragraphs ...
I find NOTHING to indicate that vaccinated people were the problem. The Unvaccinated are still the problem and until the vaccination rates increase there will remain a substantial risk to the general population.
I'd be interested in reading any of your source material. Care to share?
You're a fucking idiot. Your article from Isreal is from March. This is August, genius.
I'll stop checking your BS links there, I don't have time to deprogram cultists. My link was from this week and the Times Of Isreal had an article RECENTLY showing the same numbers.
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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21
In the United States. There is a whole list of Vaccinations that are REQUIRED for school attendance.