r/PublicFreakout Aug 07 '21

Large protests are underway in Paris and many other cities in France against vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations. đŸ˜·Pandemic Freakout

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u/EmperorGeek Aug 07 '21

In the United States. There is a whole list of Vaccinations that are REQUIRED for school attendance.

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u/MostlySlime Aug 07 '21

I don't think any of those vaccines used a new technology and were the fastest vaccine to go into global distribution though. I'm not anti-vax, but it's not just another vaccine added to the list, business as usual

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u/EmperorGeek Aug 08 '21

Correct, the current raft of vaccinations required for US school attendance are all fairly old vaccines.

But please don’t forget that mRNA technology is itself not “new”. It’s been in Research and Development for 50 years. This was just the first vaccine to use it.

It’s actually safer than the original technique of using “attenuated” or Weakened virus strains. There is NOTHING in the mRNA vaccine that can “give” you the virus. All that is in it is the DNA required to identify the Spike proteins on the virus.

After you get the mRNA vaccines your body starts to break them down almost immediately. After about a week it’s all gone and your body is then making antibodies for the payload that was in them.

I had the Pfizer vaccine and my shoulder muscles felt “full” or sore for about 8 hours after each shot. My wife and kids all got the J&J vaccine, made with more traditional techniques, and they all felt poorly for 8-16 hours afterward.

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u/MostlySlime Aug 08 '21

Just to be clear, I agree with what you said. There is no evidence that the vaccine is harmful in any way, other than there were a few cases of blood clotting issues in people with a rare genetic disposition.

I'm pointing out that there is some reason for people to be sceptical of this vaccine without believing in QAnon. There's talk of 3rd doses and annual doses which also makes people more wary of a vaccine mandate

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u/reading_internets Aug 08 '21

Yeah I have a friend who's been losing his sight since he was 14 due to retinitis pigmentosa. His first dose made his vision significantly more impared.

Tests were mostly done on people without disabilities, he said. So if you or anyonr you know has RP, be aware it can cause issues.

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u/Iwillcancel Aug 08 '21

3rd, 4th or yearly vaccines are frankly a godsend if each major mutation becomes more tranmissable and deadly. We're dealing with a fluid situation that can kill a large number of people as well as overwhelm our healthcare system. Add to the fact that newer variants are more deadly for younger children and you would think people would realize wtf is going on.

It's interesting to me that this shit isn't going on in Russia, but magically taking root and causing chaos in Western societies.

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u/vic06 Aug 08 '21

New technology??? CRISPR, the technology behind the Pfizer/BioNtec and Moderna vaccines, was first published in 1987. The first application proposing a role of CRISPR in immunity response was published in 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR

Mojica, F.J., DĂ­ez-Villaseñor, C., GarcĂ­a-MartĂ­nez, J. et al. Intervening Sequences of Regularly Spaced Prokaryotic Repeats Derive from Foreign Genetic Elements. J Mol Evol 60, 174–182 (2005). https://doi.org/10.1007/s00239-004-0046-3

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Aug 08 '21

CRISPR

CRISPR () (which is an acronym for clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats) is a family of DNA sequences found in the genomes of prokaryotic organisms such as bacteria and archaea. These sequences are derived from DNA fragments of bacteriophages that had previously infected the prokaryote. They are used to detect and destroy DNA from similar bacteriophages during subsequent infections. Hence these sequences play a key role in the antiviral (i.

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u/MostlySlime Aug 08 '21

This is the first time an mRNA vaccine has been approved. Of course they didn't just work overtime one weekend in 2020 and come up with a new branch of vaccines

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u/vic06 Aug 08 '21

I appreciate that you acknowledge that they did not came up with them overnight. However, mRNA injection is not new either. They were first tested in animals in 1990.

I point this out for people reading this who truly think these vaccines were rushed from the ground up.

The first successful transfection of mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle into a cell was published in 1989.[15][16] "Naked" (or unprotected) mRNA was injected a year later into the muscle of mice.[3][17] These studies were the first evidence that in vitro transcribed mRNA could deliver the genetic information to produce proteins within living cell tissue[3] and led to the concept proposal of messenger RNA vaccines.[18][19]

Liposome-encapsulated mRNA was shown in 1993 to stimulate T-cells in mice,[20][21] and mRNA proved useful two years later to elicit both humoral and cellular immune response against a pathogen.[3][22][23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Aug 08 '21

RNA_vaccine

A ribonucleic acid (RNA) vaccine or messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine is a type of vaccine that uses a copy of a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) to produce an immune response. The vaccine transfects molecules of synthetic RNA into immunity cells, where the vaccine functions as mRNA, causing the cells to build foreign protein that would normally be produced by a pathogen (such as a virus) or by a cancer cell. These protein molecules stimulate an adaptive immune response which teaches the body to identify and destroy the corresponding pathogen or cancer cells.

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u/MostlySlime Aug 08 '21

Fair enough, I could have been more precise