Because it is a violation of your freedom and privacy.
A business should have the freedom to ask for proof, and people should have the right to refuse it, it works both ways. But any government service or nationalized business should provide their service to anyone regardless of what vaccinations they've had. You have rights as a person, and I don't think they can or should be altered unless you break the law.
You know that, in France, unvaccinated people can still access all the same things as the vaccinated, right? You can get the sanitary pass even if you're not vaccinated.
That aside, you're trying to make a distinction but that pass is still for people who are either vaccinated or recently tested. But the crux of the issue is not the vaccinations, it is a two tier society where one person can do something another can't.
That it seems like a good option to battle a pandemic is irrelevant, an internet filter for kiddy porn might seem like something you can't argue with either, unless you realize that it's just a foot in the door to strip people from their privacy. Which coincidentally is exactly what Apple decided this week, and what experts clearly recognize it as.
Many people just look at this instance in isolation and fail to see the bigger picture.
they have been doing it for decades, they managed for 18 months somehow and now they will be marginalized for not submitting to experimental treatment.
you know, you don’t need to polish the boots so hard, unless you are getting paid for it
they have been doing it for decades, they managed for 18 months somehow and now they will be marginalized for not submitting to experimental treatment.
So your best argument is "new = bad"? You should stop using the internet then.
Mandating vaccines isn't even new. The polio vaccine was mandated for exemple.
This is outdated now. Unvaccinated are being refused entry. I’m vaccinated but I do think that people shouldn’t be punished if they don’t want it.
What? You do know that schools and hospitals have required proof of vaccination for YEARS, right? It's not a violation of anything. It's a safety measure. You're fucking rights to privacy end the moment you put others in danger.
The US has been locking up people for user amounts of weed for half a century. Would you argue that the age of a measure is a good indicator of its quality?
If your only argument is "we've been doing it for years", then why are we not burning witches anymore?
In no context is marijuana use the same as vaccinations. Please use an argument that can't be torn apart by a 5th grader. Also, maybe try to read what I wrote before going off on some hyperbolic, lame tyraid that holds no value toward any argument.
Marijuana has nothing to do with the argument, just like the veracity of forcing vaccinations had nothing to do with your argument. Yours was solely about how long they've been in practice, and so was mine. I suggest you try and understand what an analogy is.
lol "The veracity of forcing vaccinations"? I know exactly what an analogy is. Yours was just bad. Like... really bad. My point WAS the vaccines, no matter how fucking much you want it not to be. You can't just go "fuck the subject, lets jerk off semantics til I win with my non-argument".
What a surprise that someone who starts a sentence with "lmao" doesn't understand what it means when 2 parties have rights. Ironically, you sound like an average anti masker. Businesses have the right to require masks, you have the right to refuse. Now where in that statement do you think your right to refuse a mask trumps the business right to refuse you? The same is or should be true for vaccinations.
There's nothing to hope for, a business can refuse you service if you're not wearing a pink hat for that matter. There's no extra law required, a private business can refuse service to anyone.
How do you feel like you have the "right" to enter any private store or space while putting others at risk of injury or death answer is you dont. You have the right to sit at home and do nothing with your life after this nothing is a given get that straight stfu about your rights if you dont know what they are !
You have the right to refuse and stay home were we dont have to deal with you. They do not have to serve you in any way at all you seem to think you can do what you want and that will end very soon.
Who is this "you" you are talking about, I've had my vaccinations. That doesn't mean I believe in a two tier solution.
You can't even get something as simple as a nuanced believe about being against vaccinations and being against forced vaccinations and identification right. Why do you think you're in a position to say anything constructive about handing out special privileges to vast swaths of the population?
This is exactly why I'm against it, not because I hate vaccinations, or because I think it's not effective in dealing with a pandemic, but because by and large people clamor for these things without a level head. They're just sick of everything, they're scared, tired, and then they start applauding the most far reaching measures without understanding the implications.
I wish it were different, and I wish we were not ruled by people who wouldn't take advantage of misery, but we are, so I can't in good conscious see these measures as a good way to deal with the situation.
We're all in agreement on how these things look on the surface, but many people don't perceive it as anything but the surface, and that is problematic.
A doctor on NPR the other day was saying parents should mask at home because RSV is going around sooner than usual. I thought everyone caught that every year, what else is going to require it, and will it be like this forever now? Reminds me when NPR said we would need "soldiers bristling with ammunition clips" on street corners checking our papers, after 9-11, to protect us from terrorists.
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u/spays_marine Aug 08 '21
Because it is a violation of your freedom and privacy.
A business should have the freedom to ask for proof, and people should have the right to refuse it, it works both ways. But any government service or nationalized business should provide their service to anyone regardless of what vaccinations they've had. You have rights as a person, and I don't think they can or should be altered unless you break the law.