r/PublicFreakout • u/mouthofreason • 23d ago
Rory Stewart "The United States Extraordinary Betrayal"
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u/grownrespect 23d ago
how is some guy talking to some other guy in the street a freakout
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u/Tersphinct 23d ago
Lots of posters here have this weird notion that posts can be about stuff that should induce public freakout. They’re incorrect.
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u/ljheidel 23d ago
Hardly seems freakout-ish.
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u/sillysimon92 22d ago
Hold on there my good man, this chap displaying her majesties forces dirty laundry right out in earshot of those uppity commoners is downright certifiable.
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u/goatfuckersupreme 22d ago
this sub has zero moderation, it's just a political grainy video submission sub at this point. not sure which way it leans politically, because sometimes the racists just flood en masse. it's a shitshow...
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u/Okami-Alpha 22d ago
I agree, but the mods seem to enforce these things haphazardly.
But I did enjoy the guy's commentary.
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u/SchoedingersCat 23d ago
After 20 years? Fuck right off
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u/iki_balam 17d ago
He wanted out ten years ago
https://www.ted.com/talks/rory_stewart_time_to_end_the_war_in_afghanistan/transcript?language=en
I understand the plight of the people, and his history in managing this kind of stuff. But I'm tired of our blood being the currency for propping a bad government. Even it means a worse one takes it place.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago edited 22d ago
Fyi this isn't some random guy on the street. He's very familiar with Afghanistan and cares deeply about the Afghan people. He's also very familiar with Western interventionism in Afghanistan and that informs his opinion on western responsibility in the region.
He spent two years walking across Afghanistan/India/Nepal etc and wrote a great book called 'The Places in Between'.
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u/ONorMann 22d ago
What but all the redditors in the comments seem to know everything so much better than him....
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u/Gutterman2010 22d ago
Well that is because his argument is stupid. Beyond the fact that he said 0 US personnel have died (24 died in 2019) the fact that he is ignoring the monetary cost and personal cost to both the country and the soldiers involved is laughable. It has been 20 years. If the Afghans haven't been able to take over funding their own contractors (most of whom left because they saw the writing on the wall about how well the ANA could fight) or managing their own military in 20 years, they are never going to.
He is right on the mark about why the average Afghan won't fight, but he ignores how utterly the ANA failed as an organization. Had it even been run in a mediocre way it would have easily been able to hold the Taliban out of the major population centers. It took a bunch of militias gathering ad hoc about a week to throw the taliban out of several areas around Kabul.
The fact is that despite the enormous human cost to the Afghan civilians, the West doesn't have some moral obligation to stick around in a forever war to support an enormously corrupt and ineffective government and a military which doesn't really want to fight that hard for their country.
There is a world of difference between billions of dollars to support their military and keep 3000 troops deployed indefinitely and similar events where the US did fuck up. For instance, Trump withdrawing from Syria and leaving the Kurds out to dry was stupid. We had an end goal (the defeat of ISIS and the Turks agreeing to demilitarize the border), and the cost was minimal (about 400 SF guys on the ground, mostly as trainers, with soldiers who were willing to fight in front of them).
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u/pearlsandplumes 22d ago
You're no better than them, falling for a random comment calling this conservative clown an expert on Afghanistan. But hey, as long as it makes you feel superior to the rest of us...
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u/ONorMann 22d ago
I have not said anything about me knowing anything more about this than others. When this war started i still wore diapers. I dont think anyone in the comments will have any good solution because its no good solution on it..
I dont really understand how it would make me feel superior. I dont know much about this
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u/NateDawg122 23d ago
Apparently announcing your departure 8 months in advance qualifies as "leaving without any notice". I also seem to remember American soldiers staying at the Kabul airport multiple days to evacuate people. But don't let reality get in your way random guy on the street!
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u/heinzbumbeans 22d ago
the guy is Rory Stewart, who is an ex minister for international development, ex diplomat, chaired the defence select committee, spent two years walking across Afghanistan and lived in Kabul for years. hes far from just "some random guy on the street" and no doubt knows more about Afghanistan than most people.
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u/uwuSuppie 22d ago
Woah woah woah dude this is a reactionary sub you're not supposed to just explain the qualifications of the person speaking like that!
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u/grnrngr 22d ago
the guy is Rory Stewart, who is an ex minister for international development, ex diplomat, chaired the defence select committee, spent two years walking across Afghanistan and lived in Kabul for years. hes far from just "some random guy on the street" and no doubt knows more about Afghanistan than most people.
Maybe he should've picked up a gun and joined the fight.
Tell me.. did he walk across Afghanistan before or after the Taliban were pushed back?
Is he bringing shame to the European countries who withdrew well before the Americans? Is he talking down to the UN for not establishing a large peacekeeping presence?
And is he all talk?
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u/heinzbumbeans 22d ago
Maybe he should've picked up a gun and joined the fight.
why? is he only allowed an opinion if he picked up a gun? as it happens though, he was in the army before being a diplomat.
did he walk across Afghanistan before or after the Taliban were pushed back?
what a silly question. does his experience only count if the taliban were in control?
Is he bringing shame to the European countries who withdrew well before the Americans?
hes talking about america and the USA, who withdrew at the same time.
Is he talking down to the UN for not establishing a large peacekeeping presence?
he isnt allowed to address the UN and wasnt asked about that anyway.
is he all talk?
ive already outlined his credentials which demonstrate he is not. im not sure what more you want.
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u/[deleted] 22d ago
So his perspective couldn’t possibly be biased
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u/heinzbumbeans 22d ago
everyone's perspective is biased. its an interview for TV, not a courtroom hearing.
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u/[deleted] 22d ago
Then why all the emphasis on his credentials? On credentials George H. W. Bush was probably the most qualified president the US ever had - does that mean he’s right about everything?
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u/heinzbumbeans 22d ago
its in reply to someone calling him "some random guy on the street". I was demonstrating that he is not just "some random guy", he has substantial experience with foreign affairs policy in general and Afghanistan in particular which is no doubt why he was interviewed on the subject.
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u/Pseudoburbia 22d ago
We also spent quite a bit of time trying to teach them how to keep their own shit up. Had the Afghan forces mastered the art of not fucking little boys and shooting up heroin maybe we would have gotten to helicopter maintenance.
Watch the Vice doc from 2012 for clarification. My dad was over there as a contractor for 8 years and he said it was bad, I had no idea.
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u/azalago 22d ago
Yup, a lot of people don't realize exactly how corrupt the Afghan government was. All the government officials were embezzling money into their own pockets. Their army was practically nonexistent and full of "ghost" soldiers that didn't actually exist. And when the Taliban came, they handed everything over and fled with their money.
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u/grnrngr 22d ago
"it's bad, but I don't mind taking all the money."
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u/Pseudoburbia 22d ago edited 22d ago
My dad returned with stage 4 cancer and never got to spend the money, if that makes you feel better. He died having dreams of every dog he'd ever owned calling out to him while he was helpless to save them.
He also left a blanket bigot, and returned talking about the plight of the Kurds and the Sunni and Shiites he befriended working on the base. He languished for 5 years, voting for Trump and continuing to be a conservative prick, but he got more than a way to pay for his chemo out of his time as a contractor. I really think my dad was unfulfilled with his life and wanted some adventure, as much as he wanted the payoff. He worked for the military for 25 years prior, just getting by on what they paid. He was a helicopter mechanic and pilot.
During those 5 years I went to see him every weekend, because enough movies have shown me what you need to do while you have the time. I also took that time to ask him questions I had never thought to ask him. You just don't regard your parents as peers.. until you do. I never asked him what made him want to fly helicopters. It just wasn't something I ever thought about, that was just dad. He told me that when he worked as a security guard at Duke university in the 70's they would guide in the incoming military helicopters that served as the hospital life flights at the time. They would align their security vehicles in a circle facing inward, turn the lights on, and drive back and forth to create a big contracting circle of light indicating a landing spot. He wasn't good about using descriptive words like awe, but it was enough to drive him into the military and a career. It's one of my favorite stories about my dad now, to me anyways.
My dad could be a prick, but he saw a chance for money and adventure so he took it. Most people would have done the same in his position.
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u/CCRogerWilco 21d ago
Teaching people who don't know how to read to maintain helicopters is quite a challenge.
To me the real problem is that Bush went in there without a plan, and Trump decided to pull out without a plan, and then Biden decided to stick with Trumps lack of a plan. Obama didn't seem to have had a real plan either and just muddled through.
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u/AutoBot5 22d ago
Everyone seems to be forgetting that the UK, Australians, and others pulled their soldiers out just a few months ago.
People only care when it involves the US. 👍
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u/McSpitfire 22d ago
tbf he’s criticised everyone involved, not just the US. Post title is slightly misleading.
After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Stewart was appointed as the Coalition Provisional Authority Deputy Governorate Co-ordinator in Maysan and Deputy Governorate Co-ordinator/Senior Advisor in Dhi Qar in 2003, both of which are provinces in southern Iraq. He was posted initially to the KOSB Battlegroup then to the Light Infantry. His responsibilities included holding elections, resolving tribal disputes, and implementing development projects. He faced growing unrest and an incipient civil war from his base in a Civil-Military Co-operation (CIMIC) compound in Al Amarah, and in May 2004 was in command of his compound in Nasiriyah when it was besieged by Sadrist militia. He was awarded the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for his services during this period. While Stewart initially supported the Iraq War, the international coalition's inability to achieve a more humane, prosperous state led him in retrospect to believe the invasion had been a mistake.
The guys knows what’s going on and isn’t just some random MP.
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u/starbuck8415 22d ago
Your wife could tell you every day for 20 years that she’s leaving you. It’s still a shock when you wake up one morning and she’s gone. Especially if she’s taken all the fuses out your electrics and doors off it’s hinges or anything else you need to live in your home. He’s also not a random guy off the street. Hes been a government official and diplomat.
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u/NateDawg122 22d ago
We didn't disable their shit...they were unable to operate the equipment themselves, or so they claim. There's literally a video of the Taliban taking a helicopter for a joy ride so the equipment was working just fine.
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u/starbuck8415 22d ago
Ahh there’s a video. Any context to said video or just that “the Taliban took it for a ride so it worked fine?”
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u/NateDawg122 22d ago
Funny how you require evidence and clarification from me but not the guy claiming we sabotaged the Afghan Army...
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u/starbuck8415 22d ago
“However, reports say that it isn't clear whether any of the helicopters were airworthy.”
If you Google the Taliban taking helicopters out for a ride, the articles come back saying they are in M-17s which are Russian made and while they have the American ones too, they are more than likely grounded due to the fact there’s no spare parts for them. Why? Because they took all the important shit when they left.
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u/Crackbot420-69 22d ago
In all fairness the first link is a helicopter with rotor blades removed, and then further pictures of the Taliban attempting to piece it back together to get it operational - though i didn't see any indication that it was left specifically for the Afghan troops anyways.
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u/typicalshitpost 22d ago
Trump had already drawn down to 2k troops so bidens options were send more troops and look bad or pull out and look bad.
Let's also not forget that trump was saying just months ago that Biden should have already pulled out and that postponing to august was a failure.
Trump left a shit on bidens desk and no matter how Biden cleaned it up he was gonna have to get his hands dirty.
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u/andygigante_82 22d ago
Biden had 7 months to course correct, dude.
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u/NateDawg122 22d ago
Course correct to what?? Extending our 20 year occupation? He already extending it 3 months from the original pull-out date in May
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u/andygigante_82 22d ago
Listening to his advisors would've been an amazing start.
Gen Mark Milley advised him to keep a military presence similar to the one he inherited while seeking a peace arrangement with the Afghans.
Trump didn't force him to bumblefuck this, he chose to do it on his own, against the advice of his own cabinet no less.
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u/W1nnieTh3P00h 22d ago edited 22d ago
He was a tory politician and now lecturer at Yale.
Downvoted for facts? I’m not endorsing the twat.
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u/Capitain_Collateral 22d ago
It also explains the lack of casualties. The Taliban didn’t need to attack anymore. Just wait.
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u/SC_W33DKILL3R 22d ago
Here comes the moron who doesn't know what he is talking about.
Also the Americans ran away at 3 in the morning without telling anyonehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57682290
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u/hereforlolsandporn 22d ago
They evacuated 2,500 people with no coordination, no scheduling? Seems like someone making excuses for sleeping on the job.
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u/MrKomiya 23d ago
“Not a costly war”?? Wtf? Is he being deployed? Troops deserve to be home. If after 20 years it couldn’t be done, it’ll never be done.
Can’t be there forever. Can’t want it for them. Who was paying for the civilian contractors? Afghan government? Then why didn’t they negotiate/extend the service contracts to retain their services? Not like the US Military kidnapped them is it?
This is some BS interventionist fever dream.
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u/hak8or 22d ago
Troops deserve to be home.
Eh? I mean, it's kind of expected if you join the USA military considering our strong suit is force projection around the globe. Not to mention, I don't see how your reasoning holds any water, considering what you said applies to SK and others more long term bases.
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u/MrKomiya 22d ago
When I say “come home” it’s to their home bases. Or to not be in an active AO. There is zero obligation to be wherever tf we don’t want to be.
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u/tschwarzmann1 22d ago
Insanity is continuing to fund fucked up diplomacy that we have no say in or any real understanding of what we’re even doing. That’s fucking insane
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u/jacoup4213 22d ago
He said there no reason why America could continue their support? I ask you for how long? How many more years? Forever? Not forever? How long does America have a responsibility to secure the Afghanistan country? I mean there are other countries in the world right? If they need support maybe some other countries can take America’s place and leave their solder there for as long as you want.
No one said it was an easy decision, but if you have the correct answer I would like to know it.
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u/racerz 22d ago
So the question is: What are we doing? Why are we still stuck in Afghanistan? And the answer, of course, that we keep being given is as follows: we're told that we went into Afghanistan because of 9/11, and that we remain there because the Taliban poses an existential threat to global security. In the words of President Obama, "If the Taliban take over again, they will invite back Al-Qaeda, who will try to kill as many of our people as they possibly can." The story that we're told is that there was a "light footprint" initially -- in other words, that we ended up in a situation where we didn't have enough troops, we didn't have enough resources, that Afghans were frustrated -- they felt there wasn't enough progress and economic development and security, and therefore the Taliban came back -- that we responded in 2005 and 2006 with troop deployments, but we still didn't put enough troops on the ground. And that it wasn't until 2009, when President Obama signed off on a surge, that we finally had, in the words of Secretary Clinton, "the strategy, the leadership and the resources." So, as the president now reassures us, we are on track to achieve our goals.
All of this is wrong. Every one of those statements is wrong. Afghanistan does not pose an existential threat to global security. It is extremely unlikely the Taliban would ever be able to take over the country -- extremely unlikely they'd be able to seize Kabul. They simply don't have a conventional military option. And even if they were able to do so, even if I'm wrong, it's extremely unlikely the Taliban would invite back Al-Qaeda. From the Taliban's point of view, that was their number one mistake last time. If they hadn't invited back Al-Qaeda, they would still be in power today.
And even if I'm wrong about those two things, even if they were able to take back the country, even if they were to invite back Al-Qaeda, it's extremely unlikely that Al-Qaeda would significantly enhance its ability to harm the United States or harm Europe. Because this isn't the 1990s anymore. If the Al-Qaeda base was to be established near Ghazni, we would hit them very hard, and it would be very, very difficult for the Taliban to protect them.
-Rory Stewart, 2011
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u/ILuvMoistTowelettes 23d ago
Fuck this rat faced dickhead and any other asshole who wants us to permanently occupy Afghanistan.
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u/kester76a 23d ago edited 23d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAVVnWmUkA == UK aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth :) Crossing the South China sea to help out our American buddies.
In general your taxes go to the wealthy elite of your country, you can spin it anyway you want but the problem stops at home. Same in the UK, industry was shunned for banking and education. Cheap labour and materials abroad is what causes the decline home industry.
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u/Dramatical45 23d ago
For one, that is an incredibly stupid assessment of European armed forces. Second, Europe wasn't the one that went gung ho invasion and destabilisation happy in the area. The EU has already had to suffer the refugee crisis brought on by primarily US efforts. Why should they have to fix a mess the US created and then unimaginably fucked up.
And also your stupid ass comment about protecting everyone else just hurts. The US does nothing absolutely nothing for altruistic reasons. The US guards shipping lines and projects force to guard their own self interests. They do it because it is beneficial primarily to the US. It is why the US has aircraft carriers, literal floating cities, to project force. Most other countries on earth have no need for them.
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u/IllustriousStorm5730 23d ago
People who want a Forever War…
22 Service members were killed in Afghanistan in 2020 but people like this only count those deaths if they had a rifle in their hands. His claim is a Right Wing Nutjob lie that’s been getting spread.
LOL “liberal interventionism”… https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2021/08/rory-stewart-interview-why-afghanistan-marks-end-liberal-interventionism Someone needs to be reminded which President started these wars
It is up to Afghans to determine their future, America is not the World Police.
North Korea has nukes… and South Korea is a major Ally…. And the Americans are based in South Korea at their invitation. Which is again… not a Civil War.
This same person would of wanted to see an occupying force in Vietnam leading to death after death from a country not wishing their occupation.
This whole thing is just Conservative nonsense wrapped up in a different accent to sound smart.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
America is not the World Police.
That horse bolted a long time ago. Do you know how many countries have a US military presence? Or how many invasions the US has been involved in in the past 3 decades alone? Or how many regimes it has overthrown?
Also where did you get that 22 figure from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_military\_casualties\_in\_the\_War\_in\_Afghanistan
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u/typicalshitpost 22d ago
What's your point? Do we have to be forever now?
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
I think Mr Stewart made the point fairly succinctly in various interviews - we may need to maintain a small military presence for a significant period of time.
Look American foreign policy has always been myopic. They helped fund thousands of Mujahadeen fighters in Afghanistan who then turned their sights on the US. What do you think is going to happen in the next decade or so? The US will be back within a decade or two.
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u/OutdatedElements 22d ago
Define “significant period of time” because I think 20 years fits that definition. What this man is calling for is the continuation of a forever war with a never ending occupation. The systemic problems the Afghan military specifically the Afghan Government faced showed zero signs of improving from 2002 onward.
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u/IllustriousStorm5730 22d ago
Ahh I mixed my numbers up… 11 were killed in Afghanistan in 2020…
While the US keeps several bases around the world, most are in countries they are invited to maintain a presence in. The Afghan government had made it clear it did not wish for the US to be based in their country, the Taliban did not want the US to maintain a base within Afghanistan. Every indication was that a massive escalation of the Civil War was coming. Any presence of the US Military in Afghanistan would result in large casualties and an escalation of the 20-year un-winnable war.
The only people insisting on the US staying are either war hawks who wish to occupy the entire Middle East indefinitely or mentally ill Rambo fanatics who think “we just need to bomb them all and they’ll quit”. Also known as morons.
The fact that this shmuck tries to compare a potential base of operations in Afghanistan to the base in South Korea shows that he has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to Global Politics and International Relations.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
The fact that this shmuck tries to compare a potential base of operations in Afghanistan to the base in South Korea shows that he has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to Global Politics and International Relations.
You clearly have no idea who Rory Stewart is lol
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u/IllustriousStorm5730 22d ago
Again… trying to compare a mythical base of operations in a country in the midst of a civil war where neither party involved wants it there… to a country which is at peace with a standoff with its neighboring nation is a completely idiotic notion which ignores reality.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
This might seem like an obvious point but I don't think he was saying they were identical situations - I think he was just using it to illustrate the length of time vs necessity. If anything the differences highlight a greater need for a presence in Afghanistan.
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u/IllustriousStorm5730 22d ago
It is exactly what he says! He specifically cites why is it ok to have a base of operations in South Korea, but not Afghanistan… they are wildly different situations. Just as the base in Germany is not in the middle of a country in a Civil War…
If the US had stayed behind they would have been under constant attack from the Taliban leaving no choice but to either try to escape during active firefights… or escalate the war which is exactly what idiot conservatives wish for.
An un-winnable forever war as part of a wish to occupy the entire Middle East so that their natural resources can be plundered for the Western World’s benefit.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
I have to say I'm astonished by the level of arrogance in these comments.
Are you genuinely telling me you think you have a better grasp of "Global Politics and International Relations." than this man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart ?
Reddit is a fucking weird place.
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u/WikiSummarizerBot 22d ago
Roderick James Nugent Stewart (born 3 January 1973), known as Rory Stewart, is a British academic, diplomat, explorer, author, soldier and politician, who is a senior fellow at Yale University's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs where he teaches politics and international relations. Prior to this appointment, he served as a minister in four different departments of the UK government, before being appointed to his final ministerial role, in the Cabinet as Secretary of State for International Development in May 2019. He resigned from this role on 24 July 2019, when Boris Johnson became prime minister.
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u/ray_kats 23d ago
America might as well have annexed Afghanistan and made it the 51st state since everyone seems to think we're responsible for solving all their problems.
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u/HogswatchHam 22d ago
You did invade...
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u/hereforlolsandporn 22d ago
And spent 2 trillion building them an army that fell in like 45 seconds...
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u/theroangel 22d ago
Oh that’s Rory Stewart. This guy was contesting to become the prime minister of the UK btw, he lost to Boris Johnson. Plus he’s very familiar with the Afghan affairs, an ex soldier and now diplomat, he isn’t a random guy.
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u/GrandJuan86 22d ago
You have spent the last 40 years throwing money at it like it's your country
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u/GrandJuan86 22d ago
And installing a government so corrupt that on the rare occasions the ANA actually got paid most of their ammunition had been sold to the Taliban by their commanders. Not exactly a setup for success.
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u/jetfire245 22d ago
"zero cost, zero risk" for occupation in the past few years 😂😂😂🤣🤣
"zero risk" sees veterans with blown off legs and arms
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u/racerz 22d ago
2400 dead and almost 1 trillion dollars (US costs) and he claims it wasn't costly?
UK lost around 30-40 billion and around 500. So maybe he thinks that is cheap for the UK? (I don't) If so, they could have stepped in to pick up the flag when the withdrawl deal was made in Feb of 2020...
Anyone and everyone acting with a sense of shock and outrage is either not informed enough for you to care, or is faking it for political leverage.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
I think he was pretty clear that he was referring to the small presence maintained since 2014.
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u/racerz 22d ago
Oh right, if course, when it was just a paltry 45 billion dollars per year.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
That was when there was 18k+ troops. They were reduced to 2,500 which is what is upsetting Rory Steward - did you watch any of his interviews?
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u/racerz 22d ago edited 22d ago
So you're walking back on his statement that this "hasn't been a costly mission since 2014?" Are we just going by last year's costs if all you're going to look at is the final troop reduction level? Why is it assumed this level was sustainable and not a part of a withdrawal?
And no, I haven't watched additional videos from someone trying to spin facts disengenuously and feign outrage. If he thought their was a moral obligation to continue he should have lobbied parliament to increase its funding and commitment.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
I'm not walking back anything, it's very clear that you're not interested in his opinion on the matter and just want to rant.
And no, I haven't watched additional videos from someone trying to spin facts disengenuously and feign outrage.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. He does.
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u/racerz 22d ago
I've provided sources refuting his quote and you've done... Nothing.
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
what exactly did you refute? You're clearly having an imaginary conversation.
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u/racerz 22d ago edited 22d ago
hasn't been a costly mission since 2014
Timestamp 1:14. You're just going to pretend like you missed that? Definitely not having a real conversation...
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u/ozy1234 22d ago
You refuted your own words? Jesus christ man what is wrong with you?
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u/WhatTheHeHay 21d ago
Seriously, STFU ya dolt.
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u/WhatTheHeHay 21d ago
It’s ma right to be fat! Okay? I’m FREE to be fat!
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u/WhatTheHeHay 21d ago
But we have it freer here. Freedom rings from town to town. Can’t say the same about your place. It’s like a freedomland party here every day.
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u/WhatTheHeHay 21d ago
Oh say can you see, by the dawns early light, what so proudly we hailed, at the twilight's last gleaming.
Oh, were you saying something? Couldn't hear you over the best national anthem this side of the Mississippi!
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u/WhatTheHeHay 21d ago
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?Sorry? What was that? Still can't hear you! The Londoners are singing with me! They should be too, we saved their asses from the Germans twice!
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u/bobo8290 23d ago
Fuck him and his bad dental work...the only thing we did wrong was not leave 15 years earlier....
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u/McSpitfire 22d ago
Lol great argument... Attacking someone’s physical appearance. 👏 solid rebuttal.
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u/Arrowintheblue 23d ago
'Murica this is your Dumbkirk. Own it.
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u/Wombat7272 23d ago
Saw the NY Post headline and just couldn’t wait to drop that huh?
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u/Arrowintheblue 23d ago
Yeah it's fucken funny. Think I'll keep using it till it's dead in the water.
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u/Nahidisagree 22d ago
So like, are people gonna post this 9,746 times like they did the Afghan army doing jumping jacks or is this no their type of propaganda. Amiright??
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u/kaseface27 22d ago
This guy is a fuckhead !!! Guaranteed was the same sort of moron saying beforehand we need to get us troops out of Afghanistan ... the hypocrisy is unreal
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u/heinzbumbeans 22d ago
the guy probably knows more about Afghanistan than you do, and has never to my knowledge advocated for removing troops from there, so the hypocrisy is entirely in your head and nowhere else. Rory Stewart is his name, google it.
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u/McSpitfire 22d ago
Lol you’re so wrong its hilarious and depressing at the same time. Research who Rory Stewart is first before you spout utter shit.
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u/-Dopplebang3r- 22d ago
I see but...did you draw this from memory onto the VHS tape frame by frame?
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u/Way_Unable 22d ago
Taking the people who make the expensive death machines work is probably a smart idea....
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u/Kongtai33 22d ago edited 22d ago
I think that the US shouldnt be there in the first place..or get out long time ago atleast..
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u/First-Funnies 22d ago
Bit if misinformation. He repeatedly fails to mention that the only reason that it's been no casualties and attacks in the last couple years is because Trump made a deal to completely pullout by May 2021. The Taliban just waiting us out. The reason that the government collapse in less than a month is because its a puppet government that most Afghans do not support and consider the same or worse than the Taliban.
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u/tuchi2001 22d ago
It’s not the us that’s is at fault here they tried to train the Afghan army but it’s just filled with drugs and people that don’t care for their country
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u/Nimbussxull 22d ago
But now reddit and all social media is full of pictures of us soldiers giving water and cookies to those who swarmed to Kabul airport for their lives that must be something ...
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u/IsaacErickson 22d ago
Makes sense why trump pulled troops out, basically “screw them, they’re middle eastern and cost me money”
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u/[deleted] 22d ago
I mean absolutely no derision to the people of Afghanistan, this is directed entirely to the late government of Afghanistan. I keep hearing this lament - but why couldn’t Afghanistan hire the same or other aircraft maintenance contractors with the billions in aid the US has been giving them? Was it because of the corruption or because of the incompetence?
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u/WhatTheHeHay 21d ago
Biden fucked up so bad on this one, no way around it, this guy is just saying what everyone has been thinking.
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u/Stylelementz 22d ago
I wonder if the us asked this guy to send his son or daughter there on tour for a few years with a high chance of them not making it back, how he would feel? Too many sons and daughters etc from the us and many other countries have died there. Its enough, its time they went home to there loved ones alive.
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u/McSpitfire 22d ago
He’s been out there mate. He’s lived out there on the front line. He’s served his country.
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u/PolyZex 22d ago
Yes.. take the troops out of South Korea.
America is not the world police.
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u/[deleted] 22d ago
You dont have a damn clue what you're talking about.
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u/PolyZex 22d ago
Yes... I do. It may hurt your feelings, may fill you with emotions of bitterness and frustration but- too bad.
Americans have spent enough money on countries that couldn't give a shit about America. You want to help them? Join the peace core- but for God's sake, don't start whimpering at me as if your feelings are based on reason.
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u/EastGlencoe 22d ago
Go volunteer in Kabul then smartmouth. America could literally spend it's annual GDP and lose 100,000 soldiers and guess what? It would still be a shithole. 20 years is quite enough.
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u/toofunnybot 22d ago
How we roll mitches. In like a tiger, out like a lamb. Handle your shiz so we don't have to come back. And yes, war is stupid, evil, and we suck.
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u/cracker707 22d ago
Just stay after we already delayed the May deadline? I’m sure the Taliban would just be reasonable and patiently wait for us to leave whenever we decided. I’m sure they would have never attacked our minimal 2500 soldier presence there.
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u/McHonkers 22d ago
Yes you should take the troops out of South Korea... Yes you should shut down all foreign military bases.
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