It’s not about hurt feelings, it’s about creating a deterrent. If a racist knows there could be physical consequences for their useless hate speech (consequences that would be considered “self-defense” in the eyes of such a law if created), then they would be deterred from even speaking their nonsense views on race. This is why criminal law is created, to deter society at large from engaging in detestable behavior.
You've got shit so twisted. What about people who can't protect themselves from people who hurt their feelings? So you're trusting random people to be judge jury and executioners for getting their feelings hurt? You also never answered how far they can go? Brain damage, concussions, broken limbs? I'm glad you'll never be more than an edgy reddit commenter.
You must have trouble reading, as the first sentence in my previous comment is literally “it’s not about hurt feelings”. The problem with current hate speech legislation is that it rarely has any bite to it; it can be next to impossible to prove those cases in court and even then there is rarely substantial punishment for the crime.
That’s where making racial hate speech a form of assault comes in. If the victim of said speech is able to respond to it with physical force without the threat of arrest and conviction, then a lot of racists will keep their mouths shut and think twice about spewing their hate in public, thus making it less prevalent in society at large.
I didn’t answer your asinine question about “how far can they go” as it simply isn’t mine to answers. Contrary to what you obviously believe, creating criminal legislation like this is extremely complicated, and it’s normally left to the writers and courts to determine what would be “too far”. Considering such a law would be a state statute in most cases, I can imagine likening it to normal self defense laws could be a good start, but once again, that’s what out of my wheelhouse. But hey, I’m just an edgy Reddit commenter, right? Lol.
You keep saying the same bullshit. What else do you want me to say to your fake law that would never have a chance outside of your sad fairy tale world? You'll be okay buddy, keep fighting your good fight.
Honest question, in the videos where a black woman calls a white woman "white bitch", do you feel that the black woman should be charged with a hate crime?
Ok, fine I'll rephrase. In the videos where a black woman calls a white woman "white bitch", do you feel that the black woman should be charged with assault?
Sorry if I’m curt in my response, but I’m legitimately confused by your line of questioning. Why would such a crime apply to one race and not another in your eyes?
Also not sure how I’m the asshole considering you’re the one calling people names…
“White bitch” doesn’t hold any weight because white people were never oppressed in this country. “Black motherfucker” takes us right back to the past where we’ve experienced slavery, segregation, hate crimes, etc., whereas “white bitch” takes you…. Nowhere lol.
“White bitch” doesn’t hold any weight because white people were never oppressed in this country. “Black motherfucker” takes us right back to the past where we’ve experienced slavery, segregation, hate crimes, etc., whereas “white bitch” takes you…. Nowhere lol. By u/lordxxscrub. (In case they delete their comment)
And? I do not know this person, and my views on the matter don’t align with theirs.
What am I supposed to take from this? That some people think laws should apply differently depending on races? Like, yeah, that’s obvious. It’s sort of one of the major problems with racism today…
Sorry if I’m curt in my response, but I’m legitimately confused by your line of questioning. Why would such a crime apply to one race and not another in your eyes?
I was answering your question by providing proof that people honestly think that you can't be racist to a white person. I don't know you, so I didn't know your opinion on the matter.
Lol you know these folks like to arbitrarily decide when racism begins and ends! After 400 years of legal privileges and giving black folks some free words on paper after 100 years of tax farming us to pay for white socialism…they want to set themselves up as victims because you said a mean word. No sense of proportion and intentional obtuseness.
Care to explain why? Are you that against accountability for racist speech that you’d anonymously (and by effect, cowardly) attack someone’s intelligence over it?
And? You do realize all speech isn’t protected by this amendment, right? Or are you the type to immediately refer someone to an outdated document without full understanding of how it works?
Seriously, make up your own opinion. Don’t just rely on a document hundreds of years old that couldn’t possible predict or account for the current racial identity of the nation today. That’s just blind faith without any substance.
I did not say all speech was protected - but this speech was, which is why I sent you the helpful link. Do you know what speech is protected by the first amendment? And what should we replace this “outdated” document with? Should black people be able to punch white people because of slavery? What exactly is a punchable offense with zero legal consequences? Please be real clear.
You seem to be unaware of “fighting words” doctrines. Another commenter goes a bit into it, but there’s some speech not protected as it’s meant to create confrontation, and in some cases, violence.
My proposal simply allows violence to act as a deterrent to racism itself. Racists are ultimately weak and cowardly, so the moment you create physical consequences for their stupid actions and speech is the moment they begin to reconsidering sharing these vile thoughts and beliefs out in public. Less racism in the public discourse, of course, means a healthier society overall. This isn’t hard to comprehend unless you have a specific problem with racism being punished for what it is.
Speaking of, you sure give away your biases by bringing specific races into this. I never mentioned specific races, just racism at large. If such a law came to be, I’d hope it would work as a deterrent to racism no matter who it’s coming from, regardless of something as silly as the pigmentation of their skin.
I mean I brought up specific races because of the… Wait for it… Races of the people in the video. It seemed like a logical thing to do.
Please go into the “fighting words” doctrine for me and tell me how verbal insults excuse physical violence, and the legality of such doctrine. Also, since you indicated you believe using racist language excuses physical violence, how much are we talking exactly? Can you kill someone? Punch them? How many times? Does the racist behavior need to be proven or just alleged?
My point is that white-knighting, virtue signaling dipshits that think videos like this should be legal are short sighted and ultimately hurting whatever cause they think they’re supporting.
Or maybe, just maybe, ANYONE throwing literal hate speech someone's way is up for an ass whooping if you're so inclined? Hate speech being defined as aggressive out threatening speech directed as someone's race, religion or sexual orientation? That choice would be up to the person being verbally assaulted? That would clear up your whole moral conundrum pretty quickly.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how outlawing hate speech against ANYONE, white black Asian gay Christian Muslim, would be a bad thing to anyone but hateful individuals. And.. Fuck those people right??
Doesn't surprise nor hurt my feelings at all, I fully understand who it was that wrote these documents. Your question was what made it outdated. And if like to think that we've reached a place, as a country, where we're no longer ok protecting hate speech. ALL hate speech. Is that not societal progress?
Even in the countries with the most oppressive speech laws, hate speech would usually need to be in print or be broadcast or put out for some level of public consumption. Not just some racist asshole calling an individual a slur.
However, in the US, there is such a thing as the “fighting words doctrine”. We could be in a place where you can’t be a victim of simple battery if you started the fight with a racial slur.
So nobody would go to jail for saying the N-word, but if they get slapped, the slapper doesn’t go to jail either.
If the racist gets put in the hospital or attacked with a weapon, however, words would be irrelevant.
Lmao you're an idiot. If you don't like a free society I implore you to seek citizenship in one of the countries where freedom of speech is not a right.
Lol as soon as black folks got equal rights and “protection” under the laws white folks rushed to eliminate fighting words as a justification for assaulting someone. They were all for it when you could yell the n word to someone free of consequences but as SOON as it was legal for a black person to defend themselves or use fighting words as an excuse to kick ass……nope.
Fighting words have never allowed for someone to use violence as a response. The doctrine of fighting words means that certain words are not protected and the use of the words allows the government to punish you. Do some actual research before you start parroting what some dumb ass redditor comments.
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u/burtweber 21d ago
This is why they need to make racially based hate speech a form of assault. Once these racists start getting hit they’ll cut that shit out real quick.