r/SubredditDrama Your tone seems very pointed right now. Jan 26 '22 Ally 1 Table Slap 2 To The Stars 1 Gold 2 Platinum 1 Helpful 51 Take My Energy 2 hehehehe 1 I'll Drink to That 1 Are You Serious? 1 Silver 34 Wholesome 42 All-Seeing Upvote 5

[Megathread] r/antiwork goes private after fox news interview debacle

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u/ZiggoCiP I can explain it to you, but I can’t comprehend it for you. Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22 Wholesome Press F Facepalm Stonks Falling

Mod of the subreddit here; I'm not an open book but I'll answer some questions as best I can if anyone wants to ask.

Edit: Alright, I've answered as many questions as I can. Sorry most of the answers didn't seem to be what many of y'all were looking for, but I was as open as I felt was appropriate. I'm still fielding things on discord, so if you genuinely want more answers I'll be there.

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u/-Economist- Jan 26 '22

You should have sent an economist.

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u/terraborra Jan 26 '22

I know right?

My specialty is industrial organisation, and it would have been so easy to throw out statistics about productivity, wage stagnation, market concentration and inflation, to speak to Fox’s base who eat up any criticism of elites.

This could have been a slam dunk and instead it was a shit show.

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u/TinySuggestion5604 Jan 26 '22

This is the frustrating part, I'm an engineer in a union, and lurk that subreddit. I know some very talented and bright people that participate in that sub. So many people could have destroyed that interview had they put out a call to action.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I can relate to that mod's lifestyle in a lot of ways but even I have braincells to be self aware that my lifestyle wont make me the right person for this particular job. Thats some weird narcissistic, hero complex and over-confidence I have seen in a while.

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u/-Economist- Jan 26 '22

My wife also works for a labor union, so I have countless stories I could have used and then slam it home with economics.

I'm not a hardcore antiwork person, but I'm 100% in on tilting the scales back to employees and families.

Instead they send Lloyd Christmas.

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u/j_a_a_mesbaxter Jan 27 '22

I’m in marketing and advertising and would’ve advised a professional spokesperson. At the very least anyone but the living parody that is Doreen.

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u/calexil Just passing through Jan 26 '22

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u/bigdicknippleshit You contacted the mods, I will contact the courts. Jan 26 '22

Why didn’t you at least encourage Doreen to prepare for the interview? Her performance was pretty shit for a job interview, let alone fucking Fox News

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u/Swansborough Jan 26 '22

a journalist warned them about what could happen, and offered to prepare Doreen before the interview.

instead they decided they (Doreen and the mods) could handle it

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u/Ecstatic_Youth Jan 26 '22

Jesus H Christ, that is astoundingly ignorant.

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u/AnnArchist Jan 26 '22

Then again, so is whining about walking dogs for 2 hours a day and calling it a career, all while expecting to be able to someday retire.

Like girl, you already are retired.

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u/Hot-Wish2603 Jan 26 '22

Not retire... become a Philosophy professor

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u/nutxaq Jan 26 '22

Who doesn't understand the importance of rhetoric.

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u/FreeCosmo Jan 26 '22

But like, would they work? Would they be like “I can only teach 10 hours a week”

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u/ecv82 Jan 27 '22

Lol im a teacher and i work with students 6hrs a day. Then, i work a few more hours on the "behind the scenes" stuff like curriculum, lesson plans, copies, grading, conferences, meetings, training, etc. So if they think 10 hours is sufficient, they have a huge surprise waiting lol.

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u/UfthakGargantsmasha Jan 26 '22

Aaaayyyyy is my favorite mod. Whachu doing outside r/bad_cop_no_donut?

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u/AnnArchist Jan 26 '22

Honestly, feeling kinda bad for Dorreen. It can be pretty stressful getting the internet hate machine all riled up and shitting on you at times. Hopefully she comes out of this ok and doesn't let it impact their mental health.

I suggest she go for a walk to clear her mind. lol

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u/UfthakGargantsmasha Jan 26 '22

On the one hand, I feel it. On the other hand, this was a series of INCREDIBLY stupid, arrogant decisions that I feel should have been railroaded off the table by a good 60 second look in the mirror. I already hate every single reddit mod except for two. This shitshow and a half did not help lmfao

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u/joshualuigi220 Jan 26 '22

I don't think Doreen's mental health was in a great place before this interview.

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u/evilbunny_50 Jan 27 '22

Don't know them personally but the interview and subsequent actions look like a power tripping narcissist finally got called out.

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u/JCWOlson Jan 27 '22

After the interview some of her comments included her being surprised that they didn't ask her about her life, aspirations, and school as if she expected to be interviewed as a celebrity and not as the straw man she was.

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u/ItsJustMyOpinion100 Jan 26 '22

She didn't look like she cared. Couldn't even brush her damn hair. What a joke. Represented by a dog walker..... On fox News. Can't get over that... Fox News lol. Dumb as fuck.

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u/comraden9000 Jan 26 '22

I don’t feel sorry at all. There was a consensus on the sub that no one person should represent it but Doreen and the mods decided to ignore that and go ahead with the interview anyway, basically going entirely against one of the main principles of the sub. And then to not bother to prepare at all or even present yourself properly for it?

It was their own stupid, narcissistic and arrogant decisions that landed them in this position and they deserve the hate they’re getting. They literally set the movement back years because of their own narcissism.

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u/beermingham Jan 27 '22

$100 says the dogs being walked are their parents'.

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u/hunchinko Jan 26 '22

This is actually sorta infuriating. It’s one thing to not know about resources but to have one offer you assistance and then decline, good grief. Like, naw, bc I’ve done a number of interviews so yeah I’m cool to do a potentially adversarial interview on live television. Dunno if they were good or not but the point is, I’ve done them.

The AUDACITY.

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u/cletusrice Jan 26 '22

Well she paid for it by ruining the chance of ever being a public figure ever again

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u/FreeThinkk Jan 27 '22

The problem is the anti work movement is paying for it. There are some actual good arguments to be made there and other countries are actually reducing their work weeks. She totally dropped the ball there.

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u/Lopsided_Panic_1148 Jan 26 '22

I read that she actually never did interviews herself but helped prep other people for interviews, which is worse.

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u/Damdamfino Jan 27 '22

You can find at least one interview she did on YouTube.

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u/Eirineftis Jan 26 '22

I remember that post too, when the community was discussing how bad of an idea it was to even do an interview...
 
What an absolute shame... all that momentum gained in the last few months, all for naught. I hope antiwork can bounce back from this.

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u/LTEDan Jan 26 '22

Antiwork grew in popularity because of the movement, the movement didn't grow because of antiwork. Honestly the sub label was shit anyway. There were like daily threads of people wondering wtf antiwork was about and people having to explain what it really means. The movement to reform/abolish exploitive work will continue but wr should leave the dumpster fire that is r/antiwork behind.

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u/WatNxt Jan 26 '22

Certainly not. Nobody wants to be associated with this anymore

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u/RedS5 It's funny because we're laughing at you, not with you. Jan 26 '22

That entire mod team needs to be replaced.

If the mod team is going to be able to make these types of decisions, then that community needs a better mod team - full stop.

If they don't clean house, it will be the end of that community as it exists now.

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u/Super206 Jan 26 '22 Heartwarming

It's already happened. /r/WorkReform

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u/chriscrowder Jan 26 '22

At least fucking shower!

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u/-Strawberries- Gasmasks required for airsoft BDSM Jan 26 '22

Do you think it was appropriate sending a mod who later admitted they only work 2 hours a day, 5 days a week? Do you guys actually understand why so many people, including those working 8+ hour shifts nearly every day, are pissed off?

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u/Isthecoldwarover Jan 26 '22

This was genuinely so funny, when they got asked what they do you could see them pause and they hit us with the “I walk dogs for (lie) 20 hours a week”! Shit was tooo funny

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u/Antique-Tourist-2304 Jan 26 '22

It would have been, had it not been so infuriating for many of us.

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u/Isthecoldwarover Jan 26 '22 Wholesome

I feel bad for anyone who was relying on these buffoons for change but hopefully it will be the wake up call people need to realise a sub Reddit isn’t going to get them the rights they deserve. Look into actual unions and their materials, anti work was just pictures of people “owning” their bosses anyway

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u/krully37 My company is run by based as fuck libertarians. Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

That was my biggest gripe with that sub. I can absolutely relate to the core ideology and fight for that. But that sub, like every similar sub on Reddit, wasn’t trying to changes things, they were trying to comfortably live a fantasy where they won.

And the time they are handled freely something that actually could make their movement into something popular, they are so full of themselves they can’t even recognise that they needed advices and preparation for this. They were literally trying to start a fucking revolution, what did they expect? That the greedy pigs running the world from their private jets wouldn’t put up a fight? That they were going to play fair? How naive do you have to be.

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u/machinegunsyphilis Jan 26 '22

How naive do you have to be.

It sounded like some of the mods were in college still, which makes me think they are younger than 25 at least. Idk about you, but I was a complete buffoon that thought I could change the system with "master's tools" back then. I mean our brains aren't even done developing.

What the mods did was incredibly disappointing, and at the same time, I think they have room for growth and can turn around.

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u/ObliviousCollector Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Nobody was relying on Mods for fucking anything they went and stuck their ego in the pie. They are there to stop people from saying bigoted, violent shit or derailing the conversation that's fucking it they're event security not the artists. The moment they decided they were anything other than that they attempted to drive a dagger into its heart, they failed though, the movement is in the people coming together and things arent any better so the people will congregate elsewhere perhaps where the mods know their place as servants of the community not unelected leaders which they've clearly demonstrated they never were and were never capable of being.

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u/Sotigram Jan 26 '22

They couldn’t even be honest, which is bad in itself. They really shit on what was a pretty blossoming movement. Now anytime it’s brought up, at least in media circles it’ll be “oh you mean those people who only work 2 hours a day and it’s too much”

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u/AnxiousIndicator Jan 26 '22

I don't even like FN or Watters, but seeing them shred that person apart was like a trainwreck

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u/Im_Old_In_Town Jan 26 '22 Take My Energy

The mod did it to themselves. They didn’t even ask any hard hitting/unfair questions.

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u/coinpile Jan 27 '22

He handled that interview skillfully. Soon as he realized the mod didn’t need any help digging their own grave, he backed off, started lobbing softball questions, and let her do his job for him.

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u/ImGoingToCathYou Jan 26 '22

The posts in r/antiwork made me believe the sub is like Sylvester Stallone in F.I.S.T. Make the work environment better, or we riot.

Doreen just made every user there look like a petulant child

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u/SoSaidTheSped Jan 27 '22

Hence, mass Exodus. Nobody wants to be associated with Doreen.

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u/Bizzaro6673 Jan 26 '22

I'm SO SHOCKED that he's ignoring this 🙄

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u/BankPirate Jan 26 '22

Hey now. He could be taking a mod approved dog walking or Fox News interview break

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u/MattTheSmithers Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

1) Do you (you meaning you in your individual capacity) feel that Doreen’s response to this situation is appropriate or reflects well upon your sub?

2) Does the mod team, collectively, feel that Doreen’s response to the situation is appropriate and reflects well upon your sub?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

“I’ll answer some questions”

Dodges all questions

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u/Oh_umms_cocktails Jan 26 '22

Tbf the mod also said

Fwiw you aren't really worth my time

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u/Redditisbadforyou58 Jan 27 '22

Literally nobody's time is less valuable than a Mod's.

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u/ComradeSchnitzel Is there a way to report a Reddit admin for abuse? Jan 26 '22 Helpful

What the fuck were you thinking sending someone with no obvious media training into the largest pro-corporate media organisation in the fucking world.

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u/Cryvern1 I'm a 21 years old male, long-term unemployed and an Anarchist Jan 27 '22

I have a feeling that even if the sub and mods decided noone should do the interview, that person would have gone anyway lol. They were the one contacted in the first place what could anyone do to prevent it

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u/Transformouse Jan 26 '22

What did you think when you saw the interview?

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u/Antique-Tourist-2304 Jan 26 '22

How bad is this 2nd unaired interview going to be?

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u/Ok_Bus_2038 Jan 26 '22

There's a second one!?

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u/KarmaCycle Jan 26 '22

Oh good gods. I just can’t.

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u/-_kAPpa_- Jan 26 '22 Bravo Grande!

Be honest with the people asking questions and stop trying to save face for the other mods. Unless you were also at fault.

The users of the subreddit made it very clear they did not want the interview done, and y’all deciding to do it goes exactly against the nature of the sub. It is about how shitty figures of authority, or those with power over others abuse that power, and y’all did exactly that.

Some mods should be removed including whoever did that interview as they were clearly not prepared and did refuse to admit any fault in their actions.

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u/sekoku cucked cucked cucked your voat Jan 26 '22

Why did you go through with the interview when the sub was totally against it?

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u/hoosakiwi Jan 26 '22

Honest question: is it confirmed that the community was against it or is this being confused with WSB?

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u/Arte98_PL Jan 26 '22 Starry

Pretty sure the community would be against sending the top mod to an interview who is a confirmed/ self admitted serial rapist by her own confirmation and a blog firing her over it years ago

https://c4ss.org/content/53795

She even wrote a confession post she raped people.

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u/Bspammer Jan 26 '22

Holy shit wtf? Is this definitely the same Doreen?

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u/Arte98_PL Jan 26 '22 Starry

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u/Bspammer Jan 26 '22

Big yikes. I'm wary of a witchhunt but that is not someone who should be in a position of power. Also if fox ever figures that out, you bet your ass they're covering it so I suppose it's only a matter of time.

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u/j_a_a_mesbaxter Jan 27 '22

I think there’s a set of requirements to be a mod on Reddit. At least a long term one. I won’t say one because I’ll be permabanned but the other is a past including sexual assault. Usually as the opposite gender.

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u/SeptemViginti Jan 27 '22

Holy fucking cringe:

I'm unaware of who I've allegedly [assaulted] besides the person making the accusation. The only person I can think of is a previous partner (I'll put their details in the comments).

I take consent very seriously. ...

This person is delusional, if not outright and obviously mentally ill, without an ability to comprehend their impact on other people.

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u/space-zebras Jan 27 '22

And saying she experienced symptoms of PTSD because she sexually assaulted someone???? yikes

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u/thisishell421 Jan 27 '22

Yeah they just made that whole post about themselves. “ I know I sexually assaulted you but just know this whole thing has been a hassle for me and caused me to have to seek therapy I can’t afford. Oh yeah I have ptsd now poor me”.

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u/moodybiatch Jan 27 '22

Just another way to make themselves look like the victim

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u/hadapurpura YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Jan 27 '22

Hoo boy. If you need to mention that you have "a series of behaviors related to cuddling" then there's something wrong with you.

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u/DEMOCRACY_FOR_ALL Jan 27 '22

nononononononoh nononononononononon

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u/corkythecactus Jan 27 '22

What the fuck

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u/laQuantum Jan 27 '22

what the hell

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u/rditusernayme Jan 27 '22

I wonder if Fox had access to things like this, and because they had access, they knew they could throw her under a bus at any moment, if she perchance came off positively.

Wait, no, I don't wonder, because Fox & its parent organisation has form doing their homework.

cough news of the world cough

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u/KyloTennant Yes, the US constitution is basically a socialist manifesto Jan 27 '22

Jesus, just what the fuck

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u/reticulatedspline Jan 27 '22

That's a whole lot of words to say "I repeatedly molested someone in their sleep."

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

What wtf

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u/pippipthrowaway Jan 27 '22

This whole ordeal just keeps on making its own gravy.

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u/j_a_a_mesbaxter Jan 27 '22

Holy shit Reddit has got a serious fucking problem with rapist and child molester mods. Fucking hell.

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u/mikamitcha Jan 27 '22

Its almost like people committing crimes of power/dominance look for any position they can get where they can establish power/dominance over others. Who would've thunk.

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u/sector3011 Jan 27 '22

and racists, extremists...

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u/thelaziest998 Rickard & Mortimer Jan 27 '22

Jesus Christ it just gets worse. If this is true wow what a scumbag.

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u/Pepito_Prime Jan 27 '22

Reddit mod tradition be like

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u/Steeltoebitch Jan 26 '22

I know I was against it but I didn't participate in the thread.

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u/grosskoft Jan 26 '22

Was anyone paid for that interview? If so how much?

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u/Arte98_PL Jan 26 '22 Starry

Why is this person still the top mod when she has been publicly exposed as a rapist by even his own blog she used to work as

Just ctrl f doreen on this page

https://c4ss.org/content/53795

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u/Kronusx12 Jan 26 '22

Jesus this makes it even worse somehow. This is really her?

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u/Arte98_PL Jan 26 '22

Yes .. she made a long ass facebook rant admitting to rapes

This isnt her first rodeo either she did this multiple times

Refer to

https://i.redd.it/sc41gqos44e81.jpg

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u/Kronusx12 Jan 26 '22

Holy shit thanks for this. What a colossal clusterfuck

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u/shardikprime Jan 27 '22

holy fuckerinos. If this gets to the news somehow

Jesus christ

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u/mybluecathasballs Jan 27 '22

I'm sure an intern isn't reading this before they go to sleep and eating poocorn.

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u/Guestwhos Jan 26 '22

Why is your mod team behaving the same way as the shitty managers your users are rallying against?

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u/toddstar Jan 26 '22

Why didn't you do the interview when you're great at dodging the questions and just putting out sound bites rather than actual answers?

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u/-Libertatem- Jan 26 '22

To what extent were other mods involved in selecting a representative for the interview?

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u/MasterHavik Jan 26 '22

Lupe Fiasco did well when he was on there.

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u/MasterHavik Jan 26 '22

I mean to be fair the guy interviewing him wasn't wrong. I am just happy it wasn't Carlson.

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u/Sotigram Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Lupe is talented at expressing his thoughts in a nuanced manner.

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u/ANAL_LAZER Jan 26 '22

Doreen ain't Lupe fiasco lmao

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u/JAM3SBND Jan 26 '22

I mean, fox brought up nothing about the individual's gender. So that point ended up being inconsequential. Why they did it? Idk to think they were trolling the network? "Haha this will stick it to those transphobes"

I really don't know.

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u/FluffyDog423 Jan 26 '22

Nah, it’s not about what Fox says, it’s about what those who saw the fox interview will say and the conclusions they’ll draw. As horrid as what they’re doing it, they’re decently good at egging on their viewers and fueling multiple shitty agendas simultaneously. They also never said the interviewed was a lazy entitled millennial either, but the point is they don’t need to, everyone else will later, and the interview will simply be used as perfect evidence for why they’re right. (They’re not, but you gotta admit, this person is not overworked and underpaid if 10 hours of dog walking pays for their life).

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u/JAM3SBND Jan 26 '22

If I'm going to be honest, i think your average fox viewer isn't going to find out Doreen isn't a man. When I watched the interview, I misgendered Doreen myself. So unless they have a screening after and say "TRANS leader of antiwork group has dogshit interview" i don't see it being an attack on the community.

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u/LonelyWolf9999 Jan 27 '22

I'm gonna be one-hundred percent honest with you: none of the regular people watching that interview are going to know Doreen is trans unless they're told so.

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u/tarapoto2006 Jan 27 '22

Uh, that's like 100% the first thing I thought as soon as I started watching the interview. Doreen is girls name and that's very obviously a biological male. How on earth would anyone not see that this Doreen person is transgender?

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u/The_Nightbringer Jan 26 '22

Explanation: I will answer almost no questions, and what questions there are I will answer vaguely.

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u/Isthecoldwarover Jan 26 '22

One last question because I know I’ve asked a few already, but are you going to address the post about the mods not speaking on behalf of the community that was hugely upvoted / awarded right before the sub coincidentally closed?

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u/College_Prestige Hillary ate a child and used her torn off face as a mask Jan 26 '22

Is it true Fox specifically picked a certain mod to interview?

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u/mischievous_unicorn Jan 26 '22

Take a look at the screenshot at the top. Doreen says they asked for her.

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u/tsacian Jan 27 '22

She was the top mod, why wouldn’t they ask for the top mod?

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u/TheSyllogism Jan 27 '22

Jesus Christ THAT was the top mod!? I really assumed they picked a random mod with limited influence.

I'm actually more sad about the r/antiwork movement with that knowledge. I get that mods generally have a lot of free time, but how can you be so out of touch from majority of your userbase?

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u/glynstlln Jan 27 '22

I could be wrong, but I think the subreddit wasn't initially for what it recently has been for.

The subreddit has, since exploding in popularity, been about work reform and breaking free from the capitalist mindset, hence why "antiwork" was a kind of bad name for the movement.

However, IIRC it literally started as a subreddit for basically a society where work isn't required at all. Which... I mean that definitely fits what we saw from the interview.

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u/phaserbanks Jan 27 '22

The sub was originally started as a literal anti-work movement. As in, “Why do I actually have to work for a living?”. It blossomed later into more of a labor reform sub, but apparently the founder and head mod didn’t get the memo. The sub as it stood was just very badly represented.

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u/xixi90 Jan 26 '22

Why didn't you let the subreddit know you would be appearing on Fox news and prepare any sort of game plan or message that the users wanted to communicate to the national media?

100% unprepared and disgraceful honestly. A slap in the faces of all of the millions of desperate workers

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u/KarmaCycle Jan 26 '22

Arrogance.

Edit: The mod, not you.

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u/Badloss Jan 26 '22

Have you realized that rather than "brigading" you're actually dealing with the nearly two million pissed off people that you misrepresented?

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u/Solid_Judgment_8026 Jan 26 '22

Firstly thank you for taking the time out of your day to answer questions. I'm sorry you are doing it and not rhe actual mod who caused this mess.

1- Are you going to unban all the people who have posted about the train wreck of the interview?

I ask as I have been a long time lurker. I don't post or anything, I upvote the comments that I agree with. I posted about the interview as I was unhappy with how we were all represented. The language I used was not hostile I didn't mention any genders or anything yet I was still banned.

2- will the mod be removed from the position?

3- with everything in mind will the sub be transparent with what mods are planning to do when it comes to public appearances?

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u/Greg_Norsworthy Jan 26 '22

This. People work their whole lives (40+ years) and can't even retire properly without working part time.
Such a tone-deaf decision.

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u/Thehealeroftri I guarantee you that this lesbian porn flick WILL be made. Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22 Gold

Saying it was tone deaf is kind of an understatement. How the fuck did they think that sending an autistic non binary dog walker to be their movement's mouthpiece to a right wing national news organization was a good idea? It's like a south park episode come to life lmao

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u/oldmanshoutinatcloud Jan 26 '22

Not going to be long until this is on southpark.

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u/Wrightwrong Jan 26 '22

Lol I can see it now, it's just so perfect it writes itself.

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u/13steinj God has long since left you to your own wretched devices. Jan 26 '22

They also claim to be autistic.

If they answered appropriately fox would have tore them up on either being non-binary, autistic, or a dog walker.

Instead they opened their mouth and said some stupid shit about teaching philosophy while not even looking at the camera. This is definitely not a person you give to Fox of all places, and they're definitely ill-equipped in general.

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u/Tigerbones I ate five babies and they're fuckin delicious. Hail Satan. Jan 26 '22

A part time dog walker mind you. She was complaining about having to work 20 hours a week. You could not have given Fox a better target if you tried.

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u/13steinj God has long since left you to your own wretched devices. Jan 26 '22

Note apparently they only work 10 hours, and lied on TV that it was 20 hours. Which will also get out. And be even worse, because now a leader of the community is seen as a liar too.

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u/derrida_n_shit Jan 27 '22

"Philosophy and stuff" was what they said

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u/Mizzie30 Jan 26 '22

Will you respect the wishes of the sub and remove the mod in question?

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u/TheAsianTroll Jan 26 '22

Lol she started the sub. Only way she can be removed is if it's voluntary. And she clearly fails to see where she went wrong.

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u/hellscaper Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Imagine getting 1.7 million people to join your little community, and then you proceed shit all over that work in the span of like 5 minutes lol

As an aside, how the fuck did she not know how to blur or use some fake background instead of showing off that neckbeard nest?! Make your bed at the very least!

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u/Heavenfall Jan 26 '22

If you've ever worked with media in any serious organization you know the most important rule is: never, ever participate in an interview without coaching. Companies are literally bankrupted from shitty ones.

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u/thesamebs Jan 26 '22

I'm sure she's completely delusional and envisioned herself as becoming the hero/ spokes person for the movement.

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u/iheartnjdevils Jan 26 '22

I don’t think she started it, she’s just the mod that’s been there the longest.

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u/magicmeese Jan 26 '22

The revolt in r/freefolk got the admin dragged into it and I believe the sub founder was yeeted

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u/The_Nightbringer Jan 26 '22

Apparently, the mod in question is pretty bad at respecting other peoples wishes about their bodily autonomy so I wouldn't expect much

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u/TheJarcker Jan 26 '22

This is where I begin to be out of the loop. What's the context for this comment?

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u/puregarbagetime Jan 26 '22

There is a deleted post (for doxxing) in this thread, and the child comments indicate it was a link to FB where the mod in question admits to having done *something* without consent. What a shit storm amirite?

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u/shardikprime Jan 27 '22

doxxing

its a public figure now since the interview

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u/p00bix so many fucking neolib bootlickers jesus christ shut the fuck up Jan 26 '22 Silver

Was one failed interview not enough?

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u/happyposterofham Jan 26 '22

clearly everyone wanted to try their hand at it

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u/Valeen Jan 26 '22

Based on their responses here, definitely not. Sometimes you just have to take the L, but they don't seem to be.

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u/billyyshears Jan 26 '22

I’ve heard that multiple interviews were done so we have that to look forward to

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u/The_Nightbringer Jan 26 '22

oof - iloveoof

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u/ratherscootthansmoke We can remain retarded for longer than they can stay solvent. Jan 26 '22

They’re just trying to up their “media training”

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u/blaze87b Jan 26 '22

Would you like a shovel? I know a guy who has a backhoe if you want to dig a deeper hole

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u/Babiesarentcute Jan 26 '22

Please explain how you guys thought for even a MINUTE that sending the autistic transgendered woman into the fucking lion's den unprepared like that was a good idea? Neuro-typical folks that had prepared would struggle to handle that kind of an interview, and you send the person who is going to struggle with confrontation like this in there?

Can you not see that people are going to see that as EXTREMELY intentional? I'm irate with you and the entire mod team. Incompetent doesn't' even begin to describe it. But hey - you guys got to play revolutionaries for a bit I guess.

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u/Clbull Jan 27 '22

Let alone the one who only walks dogs for 20 hours a week and doesn't represent the wage slavery that corporate America is subject to.

I mean I could have done a far greater job speaking to Fox News than Doreen did, and I'm on the spectrum too.

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u/BlackeeGreen Jan 26 '22

You are really, really bad at this. I haven't seen an internet joke this intense for awhile.

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u/RedS5 It's funny because we're laughing at you, not with you. Jan 26 '22

The sub's entire mod team needs to be replaced, including you.

You don't get to come back from something like that, and if you all stay you will be harming the community you claim to serve.

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u/TruthPains These sanctions are not a joke, and they are incredibly serious. Jan 26 '22

Serious question: What is it like basically tanking an entire movement and making something extremely important a laughingstock that will always be used against any points you make in advancing people who actually work for a living's rights?

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u/k_ironheart Jan 26 '22

When they were trying to smear Occupy Wall Street, it took a concerted by corporate media to plaster poor representations of the movement all over their networks and turn public opinion against them.

The mods of antiwork managed to do all the hard work for corporate media and gave them everything they need to smear the movement.

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u/Khetrak64 Jan 27 '22

not joke, i really don't think the mods understand how big of a fuck up this was.

this was the start of a movement that could someday make actual change to the work system in USA, probable not anytime soon but i really though that in 15-20 year we could see some change that started here. the movement could escalate to some big change in the system after a while and if big enough the ripples of that could end up affecting other countries.

this shit was the start of a maybe better future and now its fucking dead. i was honestly considering that i would wake up the next day and see a thread about how Doreen commit suicide or something (sorry if i went dark there) because trust me people had committed suicide because of how big they fuck up and most of the story i had see, it wasn't as big of a disaster as what Doreen MAY had caused.

i understand if someone is reading this and think im exaggerating but i really had some hope to this movement and seeing Doreen posts talking as if she fucked up something on the level of school work is just infuriating, this lack of self awareness is insane.

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u/DEMOCRACY_FOR_ALL Jan 27 '22

People on /r/antiwork are dreaming of the life Doreen has: working 10 hours a week

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u/fuzzychiefette Jan 26 '22

How do yall walk when yall are power tripping so hard?

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u/LOOK_MOM_NO_HELMET Jan 26 '22

First off, thanks for answering these, I'm surprised you hopped in the fire but Ive got a few:

Did you vote for dorreen, is it true it was unanimous he be the voice?

Did you really think the best representation or 1.6M people was a 20 hour a week dog walker?

Why did you go against the community and go through with the interview?

Do you think you took your rile as moderator too far? And if so, do you think the community should have a way of voting folks like you out if they don't meet expectations?

Finally, what next? The sub has already become a legendary meme. Im curious if any of you stick around to try and clean up this mess

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u/DrinkMoreCodeMore Jan 26 '22

How in the everlasting fuck did you think this would be a good idea for an interview on Fox News of all places?

You should have had someone who was well dressed, college educated, well versed in interviews and public speaking just totally kill it with awesome talking points yet you did this instead lol wtf

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u/BboySparrow Jan 26 '22

Are the mods open to leaving criticism up that they don't like or will they delete the comments/threads

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u/haxelhimura Jan 26 '22

You're responses on this are absolutely horrid. The entire mod team should step down. Pull your head out of your asses.

You let one godforsaken mod ruin an entire sub AND any trust the sub had in any of you. This isn't going away just because you're deleting posts and comments. Own up to this disappointing mistake.

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u/inv3r5ion Jan 26 '22

i have two questions:

what gave the mod who did the interview the "right" to represent a sub of 1.7 million people?

the sub is currently set to "private", and i cannot access it. i have had disagreements before with the mod staff over them blocking a resource i created for people suffering discrimination in the workplace (in the US). i cant tell if im blocked for being critical again (in response to the interview), or if its just a temporary thing and the sub will come back after a couple hours/days?

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u/KarmaCycle Jan 26 '22

It’s by private except for mods. I thought it was just me being blocked but nope, it’s all of us.

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u/Caring_Cactus Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Is this an alt account or something, it doesn't say you're a mod of antiwork nor subredditdrama

Edit: They are indeed a mod from antiwork, when a subreddit goes private their mod status gets removed from public view on their profile.

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u/Vandiyan Jan 27 '22

When a subreddit is made private all users for the subreddit are not displayed. This included moderators.

The only reason I know this person is a moderator, and most likely not an alt account, is from this post.

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u/hoosakiwi Jan 26 '22

It appears that someone's alt posted the screenshot to /r/antiwork that set all this off. The account is mostly inactive and posted last night after the interview and the title started with "We".

This tells me that someone on the mod team felt that the interview went really well and wanted to make sure the community saw it...and thereby started this entire drama.

Are you all looking into whose alt account it is? And what do you plan to do about abolishwork's woefully poor interactions throughout this entire thing?

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u/drunkenatheist Jan 27 '22 Gold

Are you aware that there have been a lot of allegations against Doreen re: inappropriate sexual behavior? I knew her from activist circles on Facebook about 10 years ago and I remember when a lot of people cut her off. I had cut her off before this because she gave me unsettling and creepy vibes and iirc, she had sent me several messages asking me why I had dropped her from Facebook. (We had never met, barely interacted, and something about her seemed off. Before anyone says it, no, I did NOT think that because she is autistic. I have interacted with people who have autism in the past. They did not creep me out.)

I'm honestly pissed that I did not make the connection between her and r/antiwork. I remember when she was first talking about her blog, and the way she spoke about it turned me off. (She came across as being a lazy grifter who had family or friends to fall back on, not as someone truly invested in this. My apologies if I have mischaracterized her on this point.)

Full disclosure, I do not know if she ever refuted anything at all, let alone with any sort of proof. As far as I'm aware of, it never crossed into sexual assault or anything illegal. There was, however, a lot of pretty fucking gross behavior. Iirc, a lot of guilt tripping/manipulative and predatory behavior. Things along the lines of trying to manipulate/emotionally coerce people into physical contact/getting into a relationship with her. Also, again for disclosures sake, aside from being a little unsettled and receiving some (imo) weird messages, I did not experience anything that could be categorized as inappropriate. I do believe the women that made allegations against her because I could 100% see her behaving in this manner, and we were far from close online friends.

Also, before anyone asks, I don't have receipts available. I bit the bullet and logged into Facebook to see if I could find anything right away, but couldn't find anything in a several minute search. I also realize I may get down voted to hell for this by people on my side/possibly up voted like crazy due to bigots. My issue is with her specifically, not with anyone who shares any similar life circumstances or political views.

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u/Diamondsfullofclubs Jan 27 '22

Full disclosure, I do not know if she ever refuted anything...

If by refuting you mean admitting, then yes. She goes on to blame her PTSD on these events, the poor girl.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdj1xl/rantiwork_mod_who_went_on_fox_news_admitted_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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u/MattTheSmithers Jan 26 '22

Simple question: Is Doreen still a mod on your sub and, if so, what is the rational?

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u/PoopnEvryDay Jan 26 '22

Apparently, they started the sub...

This is like a comedy of disasters. Some lazy idiot started a sub called antiwork because they really actually hated working, and not because they wanted to represent the people that kill themselves and work tirelessly to feed their families and pay the rent.

🤦‍♂️

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u/tristfall Jan 26 '22

Yeah I'm starting to wonder if the reason the mods have shut the sub down is not to cleanse the critics, but to just try to get on the same page. If she's the founder then even if all the other mods were acting in good faith they'd need her to agree on what to do next.

If she pushed her way onto the interview and only publicly made it appear as if it was a joint decision, and then everything went to hell, what choice would the other mods have but to either continue to side with her or abandon ship. This might make sense also with why they're all being so cryptic and combative with responses.

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u/BarnyTrubble Jan 26 '22

What makes the mod team think that they get to private the sub and decide that any criticism of her interview is a bannable offense? You're going into image damage control for a mod who fucked up and should be removed, not for the subreddit or the movement, does the mod team believe in the movement or did y'all decide this is more about your popularity than it is about us discussing being over worked and under payed?

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u/AnotherProgrammer42 Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Do the mods appreciate the damage this interview may have caused to this entire movement? Are they concerned how this is going to effect families who were already struggling who this movement was trying to affect change to help?

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u/unknoahble Jan 26 '22

Morgan Freeman: They don’t, and they aren’t.

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u/Kev_daddy Jan 27 '22

You ruined it, you destroyed our entire movement

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u/BboySparrow Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22 Wholesome

Deleted because /u/phedre notes it's too far past the line

Thoughts on your mod being an alleged predator?

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u/subzerojosh_1 I can spoonfeed you if you want, but I want you to call me daddy Jan 26 '22

Is it gone for good?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

While I appreciate all the effort and time that goes into modding a huge community, the mod responses in this thread makes it even more obvious why the mods of r/antiwork should take many steps back and realize their role is serving a community.

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u/Orenmir2002 Jan 27 '22

Where are your answers?

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u/El-Woofles Jan 26 '22
  1. Will the mod in question suffer repercussions for the interview, ie. lose their position?

  2. Will the moderation team attempt to unban those who were unjustly banned, (because you know there are) or just sum them up to trolls?.

  3. Does the mod team have a recovery plan for basically losing the entire sub’s steam for the anti-work movement.

  4. After the sub becomes public again, will the sub continue to be a circlejerk for those who don’t want to work, or be reformed to the original goal of the anti-work movement?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22 edited Feb 01 '22

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u/_Diskreet_ Jan 26 '22

It’s so funny. A sub dedicated to the abuse of power from their bosses, the overworking and underpaying of so many employees that have families to feed and houses to maintain, represented by a single individual who only works 2 hours a day and refuses to bow to the wishes of the many he/she moderates.

Shit is so off the charts, the moment that sub goes public again it’s going to be popcorn hour for so many of us.

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u/pokerboi08 Jan 26 '22

You done messed up, and the way you guys banned people out of your ego for calling you people out to become more responsible. You guys deserve this, you have brought this on yourself by your ego. And do something of that crybaby head mod you had there. 🤌🤌🤌

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u/pigmansanguishedoink Jan 26 '22

Why make it private? The damage is already done.

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u/Kwall267 Jan 26 '22

In situations like this when a sub grows exponentially and garners mainstream attention (such as WSB) do the admins ever contact you or get involved to ensure that the sub and its mod team don’t make big Reddit look dumb? If so, what do those conversations look like? If not, do you think they should and would that have helped?

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u/KarmaCycle Jan 26 '22

Serious question, what’s the plan now that it’s private? WSB handled the flack pretty well.

Note that I’m just grateful antiwork mods can’t give me a 28-day ban here, too, for suggesting the interview could have gone better. lmao.

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u/OtisB Jan 26 '22

How does it feel to know that you were personally involved in undoing a large part of the good that the sub had done, setting this movement back possibly years, by making it the biggest joke in the country?

And no, "woops" is not a meaningful answer.

Every one of you mods from that sub are complete assholes, you have done actual harm to the people you claimed to be supporting.

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u/illQualmOnYourFace Jan 26 '22

How old are you and what is your job?

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