r/TooAfraidToAsk • u/Hospitalities Founder & Mod • May 17 '22 • Faith In Humanity Restored 1 Wholesome Seal of Approval 1 Silver 2 Helpful 5

Ignorance of the rules is not a defense - Telling a user a method to commit suicide will result in a permanent ban. Meta

Edit: this is not up for debate

Your job before using a Subreddit is to be familiar with the rules to ensure you do not end up having your content removed (mild) to being on the receiving end of a ban (severe).

Given the nature of the offense, this type of infraction is not liable for a warning nor is it liable to the defense of “but I didn’t know!”

This stance has zero to do with personal belief regarding assisted-suicide, which would imply the use of a medical provider operating within evidence-based approaches to help with end-of-life. This stance is in regards to largely uninformed Redditors, of unverifiable credentials, offering “advice” with methodology that is not evidence-based nor generally is it without risk.

Were medically-assisted suicide pan-legal across every single State, it would still not be allowed for users to give methods to others on how to kill themselves.

Your individual beliefs have nothing to do with this discussion, has nothing to do with adhering to rules in order to participate within a sub and further has no bearing on your ability to support medically-assisted suicide, of which a Reddit comment is not, across various discussions.

However, If you tell a user a method to kill themselves, you will be banned and your comment will be escalated for additional review by Reddit admins.

You should know better than to provide someone potentially suicidal with methods to kill themselves, and if you can’t have that inherent moral compass then you should be able to gander at the multiple places our rules are plastered before engaging within this sub.

Thanks to the rest of you with enough common sense that this message will seem ridiculous, keep on keeping on.

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u/PickleEmergency7918 May 17 '22

Even if telling someone to kill themselves is not explicitly against the rules in a given space, DON'T FREAKING DO IT. No one is perfect and we are all on our own journeys to become better people, but telling someone to commit suicide is NEVER ACCEPTABLE.

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u/ThEtZeTzEfLy May 21 '22 • Silver

Why? I legit don't get this. it does not have to do with journeys or perfection. if I wanted to kill myself, I would appreciate someone giving me an efficient method. it does not mean that if someone doesn't, I will no go along with a worse, shittier, mote painful method.

It's just you imposing your point of view on the matter of someone else's life and death, because you somehow know better. And if you have this freedom, why shouldn't someone of the opposite conviction be able to express their strong point of view that 'Hey, this is an effective method to do the deed'?

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u/ZeldaNut93 May 21 '22

It's not though. It's not just a matter of personal choice. These people are in a bad place mentally. Most of them want to live but see no reason to keep trying. They're spent. How do I know? I'm going through depression myself. I've seen people at that point. But these issues in life can be solved. Happiness can be achieved in... like 98% of cases. If I was at that point, I wouldn't want people telling me "Oh hey, use this method. It's more effective." I'd want them to help me out of that situation. Sit with me until the thoughts pass, help me back up.

People don't inherently want to die. But in so, so, so many of these cases it's seen as the only option because living is suffering.

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u/RadiantHC May 22 '22

But these issues in life can be solved.

Not always. And even for the ones that can be solved, a lot of the time it isn't easy.

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u/ZeldaNut93 May 23 '22

Hello horrifically toxic person number 2.

... Yes. Most of them can. And "easy" is beside the point. Nothing in life worth doing is easy. But fucking killing yourself is virtually never the answer.

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u/RadiantHC May 23 '22

How is it toxic? All I'm saying is that you should have control over when you want to end your life. You aren't entitled to someone else being alive.

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u/Idontsuckcompletely Jun 19 '22

Depression is a potentially treatable condition which renders you incapable of making informed decisions about your future while in a major depressive episode. Thus, offering advice for someone on how to kill themselves, without first recommending treatments to help them regain their capacity for medical decision making is unethical. Hospice and palliative care doctor here, big believer in autonomy and physician assisted suicide in terminally ill patients who DO have the capacity to decide . For the most part depression is a relapsing and remitting disease and should be treated. Oh and by the way when I was a regular family doc, no one asked me to kill them more often than women in labor . I also asked them to be patient before offering physician assisted suicide

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u/Bobinska May 23 '22

Good bot

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u/ZeldaNut93 May 23 '22

You see why there's a bot for this? You see how much people care? ... Fuck how are you this insensitive? You're a disgusting person. You don't fucking encourage it. "Entitled to someone else being alive" you fucking dunce. This isn't about me. This is about them. Would you provide me with methods of suicide because guess what jackass, I've been there!! Have you? Do you have any experience in this at all? Or is this just your uneducated self-righteous opinion? I'm done with this. Thanks for showing the world how uncaring you are. I hope you never have any close friends. For your own sake.

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u/Penisdestroyer7mil Jun 19 '22

To be honest it sounded very plausible they were speaking from experience and from wishing stuff like that for themselves. It seems like a bad idea to call them a disgusting person and wishing they never have close friends when we can't be sure what their situation is like

Don't know if the deleted messages from this thread may change my opinion

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u/JrForgetFull69 May 23 '22

How is he being horrifically toxic when he’s just putting his input? Stfu you dick. And go ahead and call me horrifically toxic too

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u/shooteen Jun 09 '22

To me it's the answer if u don't feel like dealing with it at all

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u/[deleted] May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22

98% is an… optimistic… estimate. What about the ones that can’t be solved?

It’s something of a safety valve - “just in case”. That’s what tempts people to go online scouring for ways to kill themselves.

To be clear, I understand the reasoning behind not giving people suicide methods online. I’m just saying, do you really think that 100% of cases of people who want to die have solvable problems? How? Seriously asking - what’s your reasoning for thinking this?

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u/Penisdestroyer7mil Jun 19 '22

Ah that safety valve analogy resonates a lot with me. When I first went around scouting around how to do the deed I felt really hopeless when I realized I most likely wouldn't be able do it (due to various phobias). Before that I had always thought "well at least if it gets too bad I can do it". Afterwards I felt very trapped

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u/Mittysgirl Jun 23 '22

I find that when the idea of suicide gets fixed in my head, a single sleeping pill and going directly to sleep work best for me. While I sleep, the negative spiral of thought shuts down. I wake feeling better and generally glad I didn’t give in to my demons. My psychiatrist knows I do this and supports me. I’d never waste my precious sleeping pills in an attempt to end things. My stomach would just get pumped, the prescription revoked, and I’d never sleep again. That’d be far worse than death.

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u/BibleBeltAtheist Jun 09 '22

Knee jerk, reactionism at its finest.

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u/Mittysgirl Jun 23 '22

You cannot know that people do not inherently want to die. People who actually do aren’t as likely to blather about it anywhere. They’ll just do it. Sharing the desire to die is the hallmark of one who doesn’t really want to. A suicidal person stopped mid-attempt is at most danger of actually committing suicide well after, when they seem “fine,” because at that point they’ve come up with a plan.