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WANTED: James and Jennifer Crumbley, parents of the Oxford High School shooter, have fled and are not returning the calls or texts of their attorney who promised to turn them in. Sheriff: “If they think they’re going to get away, they’re not.”

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

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u/Claque-2 Dec 04 '21

The parents refused to take him home that day. If they had taken him home when the school asked them to then four kids would still be alive right now.

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u/PrettiKinx Dec 04 '21

If they refused then the school should have called SRO to escort the 3 of them from the property!!! School should have said he can't return until he has been seen by a crisis counselor and cleared to be safe to be in the school.

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u/t8terTHOThotdish Dec 04 '21

And hundreds more wouldn’t be forever traumatized

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u/BilbowTeaBaggins Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

Someone who’s probably actively encouraged this kind of behavior in their child for a long time. I’m of the very firm belief that this type of shit does not come out of nowhere and the adults were not doing their jobs when his violent tendencies first started rearing their ugly head.

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u/gene_parmesan_PEYE Dec 04 '21

Bloody hell, mate; that's disgusting what your foster father did to you. I'm glad you were able to come out the other side as well as become very self aware. You don't always see this in people who've been through what you went through.

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u/WarsledSonarman Dec 04 '21

Seriously. It’s hard to break the cycle, but I hope you’re doing alright.

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u/Vreas Dec 04 '21

Just wanna say I’m grateful for you and the fact you got out of that situation random internet stranger. Thank you for sharing your experience and I hope you have a nice night.

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u/KancroVantas Dec 04 '21

A heart full of wisdom turns coal into diamonds. The perspective itself speaks volumes of the compassionate person you have become in spite of so much adversity. Kudos to you, man! Bravo! Well said!

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u/dacheezehead Dec 04 '21

I'm sorry this happened to you.

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u/xxA2C2xx Dec 04 '21

Man. I’m sorry that shit happened. My step dad used to treat me this way, until I started defending myself. Then he quit that shit because I knew all his weak points (knees, shoulders, and back). He then turned his attention to my mother. When I started see it, I fought on her behalf. Not long after that he left. They did a lot of therapy together for about a year before they decided to give try their relationship again. They’re much happier now for sure. And of course he learned this behavior from his Step Dad. It was also a major part of pushing me into my drug addiction. Been clean for around 7 years now. But I do have another point to add to what you said.

“Evil isn’t born, it’s made”

The fact I want to add to this is “Psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made”

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u/ChewieBearStare Dec 04 '21

We had a fatal shooting at our middle school this year. Are you surprised to learn that the shooter's father has a history of violence on district property? How about if his father shot someone in the school parking lot AND didn't get charged? Well then would it surprise you to find out that the kid's mother also has a history of causing trouble on campus? That student needs to be punished, but the adults who were supposed to raise him failed him on multiple levels.

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u/FrostedPixel47 Dec 04 '21

When the kid got caught browsing online for ammunitions, the teacher told his parents to no response, but his mom texted him "LOL don't get caught next time"

Clearly his parents are fucking nuts as well

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u/KennyFulgencio Dec 04 '21

Someone who literally wrote to Trump thanking him for protecting her gun rights

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u/LaDivina77 Dec 04 '21

I feel like this hasn't been said enough, but... This kid was 10 when she wrote that. Whatever his own fucked up mental issues, at least 30% of his life has been dominated by nutjob Magat parents.
I've got a bad feeling we're just starting to see the children raised by parents poisoned with this.

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u/wooztheweb Dec 04 '21

Adam Lanza's parents constantly bought him guns as gifts on birthdays and Christmas.

You know... their reclusive teenager whose three obsessions in life were DDR, shooting guns, and researching mass shootings.

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u/Spiritual-Theme-5619 Dec 04 '21

Four days. His parents were called to school over his violent mental health the day of the shooting. His parents told the school to fuck off and sent him back the class, didn’t ask if he had the gun or anything.

He started shooting a couple hours later.

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u/tinykitten101 Dec 04 '21

Not even. Given the gun on Black Friday, shot up the school on Tuesday.

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u/AdmirableEnergy400 Dec 04 '21

My father got me a P-90 for my 18th birthday. No idea why he did it. We had guns in the house. They always had cases, gun locks that go through the barrel and bullets stored separately. I even kept my gun properly stored at all times. Even though my parents were drug users and dealers. They knew about proper gun safety and taught me it. I eventually sold the gun to a pawn shop because i didn’t have a permit for it. There is no excuse for this shit. Even when i was a kid i was considered “troubled” but never ONCE thought about using it towards anyone. You can never undo pulling the trigger.

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u/Horn4Life01 Dec 04 '21

my father in law gave me a .40 cal S&W for christmas one year, my first gun. He had 2 pieces of advice for me:

1) Always treat it as if it’s loaded

2) Never pull it on someone unless you’re prepared to shoot them. They could take it from you and use it on you

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u/2ndtryagain Dec 04 '21

So, they have turned off their phones after withdrawing $4,000 this couple is beyond stupid.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-superintendent-message/index.html

A law enforcement official told CNN the parents withdrew $4,000 from an ATM in Rochester Hills, Michigan, on Friday. Rochester Hills is about 10 to 15 miles from Oxford.

Law enforcement had been able to track the couple's whereabouts by cell phone pings but can no longer do so as the couple's cell phones are turned off, the official said.

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u/timesuck897 Dec 04 '21

$4000 is not a lot of money, and it doesn’t look like they have a plan. They could hide out in a buddies’ cabin in a remote location, but Michigan gets some bad winters.

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u/analest-analyst Dec 04 '21

How do you withdraw 4000 from an ATM? There are limits.

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u/Parthenon5678 Dec 04 '21

Depends on the bank or credit union. I know the credit union I used to use would allow you to take out $3,000 out via ATM per month but you could only take out $800 per transaction so you would have to take your card out and reinsert it to start another transaction.

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u/redchucks219 Dec 04 '21

$2000 is a pretty standard limit, maybe they each maxed their personal account/card?

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u/lilBalzac Dec 04 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

They radicalized their kid, armed him, advised him on avoiding detection to carry out mayhem, actively hindered efforts to help their son and protect the public, and they have a history of dangerous right wing terrorist writings.

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u/smackthenun Dec 04 '21

This is a fucking home grown terrorist, no matter how you slice it...and the parents pulling this shit makes them look even more culpable in this situation.

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u/WillFred213 Dec 04 '21

Wow, I just read the news articles about Jennifer Crumbley's open letter to Trump. The kid didn't stand a chance to become anything other than another full on right wing nut job based on what I read.

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u/lilBalzac Dec 04 '21

Now multiply that by the number of parents out there spewing the same shit, and it gets quite concerning.

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u/NotsoNewtoGermany Dec 04 '21

This is the real answer.

I read the letter she wrote to trump when the kid was 10. These last 5 years they have gone full Trump culture war train, and melded him into a monster. Here's Madison Cawthorn one month ago:

https://youtu.be/IfnM0as1u30

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u/foundyetti Dec 04 '21

Yet yesterday I saw Fox News having an entire show saying leftists and liberal violence is in the rise

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u/craiglepaige Dec 03 '21

They are on the run.

Good. Now charge them with whatever else you can.

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u/FerociousPancake Dec 04 '21

Nice couple of lil felonies there

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u/KetchupArmyNoodle Dec 04 '21

If they cross state lines I believe they call that federally fucked.

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u/FerociousPancake Dec 04 '21

They probably did if they’re still hiding

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u/Dont_Give_Up86 Dec 04 '21

It’s so much worse. They bought the gun specifically for him and knew he had it. He drew pictures of people being shot at school. Parents didn’t care. He researched ammo at school, parents told him to learn to not get caught. Nearly a half hour after the shooting, mom texted him saying don’t do it. The parents knew.

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u/goldiegoldthorpe Dec 04 '21

Texted him saying “don’t do it”? Not got in the car and drove like a bat out of hell to find her child, save his and others lives, and get him to a facility that can help him with his needs?

That jury is gonna love her.

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u/Openhigh4 Dec 04 '21

They just lost any right for bail. What a shit show.

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u/APACKOFWILDGNOMES Dec 04 '21

I get the fight or flight response and all but seriously? They plan on running for their entire lives? Running from the cops the whole time? Do they think their Bonnie and Clyde? If so they never heard how that ended.

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u/psiamnotdrunk Dec 04 '21 Wholesome

I get the sense that they, perhaps, are not that bright

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u/Paddy_Tanninger Dec 04 '21

They're probably waiting for President Trump to pardon them.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Dec 04 '21

The stupid mom literally typed in her blog that she doesn't mind Trump grabbed pussy, and that it's not important to see his tax returns because it's "none of our business" (but something tells me she'd FLIP THE FUCK OUT if a Democratic Presidential nominee sexually assaulted women/men and refused to show a single tax return document).

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u/LordRobin------RM Dec 04 '21

They just need to hold out until JFK Jr. comes back and the MyPillow guy gets Trump reinstated!

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u/BojukaBob Dec 04 '21

I'm pretty sure they think their militia buddies will protect them. I don't think they're correct but I think that's what they're planning on.

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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Dec 04 '21

I think you've got the answer. They're waiting and hoping fox noos paints them in a better light.

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u/RubenMuro007 Dec 04 '21

Would not be surprising if some 3%’er would try to give them a safe house.

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u/birdman619 Dec 04 '21

And then watch this turn into Ruby Ridge or something similar.

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u/kuburas Dec 04 '21

What happens with the kid tho? Their kid is still alive and is about to go to jail or some shit, right? They just gonna dip on their kid and call it a day?

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u/Solid_Freakin_Snake Dec 04 '21

Not like they were winning any Parents of the Year awards before all this, ya know?

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u/Destiny_player6 Dec 04 '21

The mother is probably hoping Trump will pardon her in some magical white christian god way.

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u/Epyon_ Dec 04 '21

Implying these people think.

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u/Unfortunate_moron Dec 04 '21

$10 says they're in the U.P.

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u/Dugley2352 Dec 04 '21

Hiding in plain sight. Traverse City.

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u/DangerStranger138 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Helpful

In Michigan, a person under the age of 18 generally may not possess a firearm in public except under the direct supervision of an adult 18 years of age or older.

Michigan prohibits any person from knowingly selling a firearm “more than 26 inches in length” to a person under age 18.

Michigan also prohibits issuance of a handgun purchase license to any person under age 18.

If the handgun is to be purchased from a federally licensed dealer, the applicant must be age 21 or older.

A concealed carry permit may not be issued to a person under 21 years of age.

Federal law imposes additional age limits.

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u/Whydoesthisexist15 Dec 04 '21

Yep the final straw if this story are the dumbfuck parents who did not store the guns in a safe and secure manner.

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u/JamesGray Dec 04 '21

Their story is that it was stored unsafely, but social media posts from both the mom and the son indicate it was a gift for him, so that seems like it's pretty likely to be a lie at this point.

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u/Oishiio42 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Out of the loop here. Can anyone give me a quick TLDR?

Edit: Ty peeps.

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u/Nekowulf Dec 03 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

Dad buys gun for kid for black friday, kid shoots up school, parents bolt like cockroaches when the spotlight hits them.
This is the shooter some media outlets are using the kid's 5 year old church choir praying photo to garner sympathy for a murderer.

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u/Momma_tried378 Dec 03 '21

It gets better. Teacher caught the kid looking up where to buy ammo and told the mom about it. They have text records of mom saying “lol. I’m not mad you just need to learn not to get caught” (punctuation and spelling is mine. I heard the quote on NPR interview with the DA

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u/quollas Dec 04 '21

And after he was sent to the principal for scribbling violent messages in class his parent(s) came to school and left him there to go back to class.

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u/ppw23 Dec 04 '21

The school told the parents they had 48 hours to get him counseling. Unfortunately, he started shooting before they could either ignore or act on the school’s instructions. A couple of teachers complained about him drawing pictures of shooting people and writing violent messages. Not sure if the teacher who spotted the ammo search also saw one of the drawings, or if that was 2 other teachers. An emergency meeting was held and the parents brought in. Too bad they didn’t order him off school grounds until they sought help. He started his shooting sometime after the meeting, so he was already armed. He may have just opened fire if he was ordered off the grounds. Just another sickening day in a US school and more destroyed families. However, CRT is more important to too many imbecile parents.

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u/Pancake_muncher Dec 04 '21

Holy shit, it's just red flags from start to finish.

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u/FunkyChromeMedina Dec 04 '21

Hence the involuntary manslaughter charges for the parents, because they did pretty much everything short of calling out targets for him.

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u/IceBearCares Dec 04 '21

"How were we supposed to know‽ He never said 'hey mom, I'mma gonna go shoot up my school'!"

Insert SpongeBob diaper meme here

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u/pseudocultist Dec 04 '21

I mean you're kidding, but after she heard there was a school shooting in progress, she texted her kid "don't do it, (kid's name)." So, it's entirely possible he did say something along those lines.

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u/Shirogayne-at-WF Dec 04 '21

Everything I hear about this case gets worse and worse.

I hope the judge throws the book at them.

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u/MizStazya Dec 04 '21

I mean, she was just in the school hours before being told her kid was drawing threatening pictures and had bought him a gun last week. Even a MAGAt can connect those dots.

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u/HBlight Dec 04 '21

Do not give these people the credit of an interrobang.

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u/freedom_oh Dec 04 '21

Yep. I get it now. At first, I was like "look, that's kinda fucked up. Teenagers are sneaky little shits and if they wanted to, they can find the key to open the gun safe... and sometimes we parents don't know everything going on in their minds"... but this? All that? Yea, fuck that shit. Charge them. And start bringing in school therapists for all the kids. Not guidance counselors but legit therapists who specializes with teens. Normalize therapy and emotions for all.

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u/Sly_Wood Dec 04 '21

Lol they don’t have therapists for veterans or mentally Ill who can’t afford it. You think republicans would support paying for that in schools? Lmao. They don’t even want family leave. That’s axed. Nah, more guns. That’s what they’ll say.

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u/Horskr Dec 04 '21

In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.

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u/Castigore Dec 04 '21

"Nobody could have seen this coming"

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u/Rion23 Dec 04 '21

I believe statistically, the first thing we should try to do is run, if we can’t, we should try to hide, and then finally if that doesn’t work, we should teach the kids to fight. It doesn’t matter if the kid sitting in that training ends up becoming a school shooter one day themselves. It’s really much harder to get a lot of “hits“ if people are throwing things at you. That’s my two cents.

American kindergarten parent, 2021

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/r85u3v/-/hn3qivw

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u/bringin_the_funk Dec 04 '21

I’m a teacher. That is exactly what they teach the kids in drills today. They tell them to use anything they can find to fight back if running out of the building isn’t an option.

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u/whitedevil_wd Dec 04 '21

Yeah I think "run, hide, fight" is the phrase for an active shooter situation

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u/maleia Dec 04 '21

Parents should be required to attend shooter drills. Parents really should be having to face most of the garbage their kids have to endure at schools. They just send them off to school and have no idea, no concept.

At least if a few school shootings happened while some parents had to be there, esp the gunnuts, it'll scare the shit out of them. If they don't wanna do anything about it, time to traumatize them.

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u/Mail540 Dec 04 '21

At this point it’s less red flags and more like opaque red contacts

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u/SirEnzyme Dec 04 '21

It's from staring at solar eclipses while wearing Rose Colored Glasses

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u/Pressblack Dec 04 '21

And my locker was searched on the first day of school before I even went in it cause I got caught with a cigarette. This was 2004. Where was this kid hiding a gun? How was it not found? Did they even look?

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u/Ishmaille Dec 04 '21

The WaPo article seems to imply that the kid literally had the gun in his backpack while he was in the emergency meeting with school staff and his parents. No one searched his backpack. Yes, the school should've searched his backpack, but they apparently didn't know he had access to a handgun, since his parents didn't mention that they had recently bought a handgun for him. The kid was released and started shooting 2-3 hours later.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-suspect-parents-charged/

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u/JunglePygmy Dec 04 '21

Wait a minute, they bought it for him?!

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u/lovemeinthemoment Dec 04 '21

This is America.

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u/FishBobinski Dec 04 '21

Yeah, this is America Guns in our area We got the strap We gotta carry em

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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo Dec 04 '21

The prosecutor basically said the same at the press conference earlier. Literally in a room with the principal, the school counselor, and his parents, WITH A GUN IN HIS BACKPACK! The parents refused to take him out of school. This was the most avoidable school shooting I've ever heard of, honestly in shock at how this happened.

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u/Stromboli61 Dec 04 '21 Helpful

Maybe it’s because I’m a teacher, but I do have a bit of sympathy for the school here. Teachers were concerned. They appropriately reported the concerns. The school called in the parents and made a plan of action. The kid doesn’t have any record of any sort, he’s just bad vibes, so what are you going to do? There’s always a few kids around like this. You get bad vibes, you say what you can when there’s something to report. Enough reports add up to actual concern. They try to address the concern. Like. Fuck. Every once in a while you do everything “right” and it’s still not enough. The people with the totality of information that shows just how bad this kid is were his parents. They knew about the gun access. They knew about the red flags at school. I’m certain there were many more at home. While in hindsight, of course there were things the school could have done, if you don’t rely on hindsight, his parents are the one with the power for a different outcome. Of course, it also sounds like his parents were a large reason for this outcome.

I had a student I reported several times last year for concern over their mental health. School was in contact with the parents several time. School had her in counseling and her parents did too. She ended up committing suicide. I think her parents could have handled things a lot differently. I don’t agree with some of their decisions in hindsight. I think that if things were going to change the outcome from being inevitable, that’s where.

I feel like this sounds like I’m blaming parents a little bit and I’m not. I’m just comparing my most recent traumatic situation in a school to this one. There’s a lot of times where I’m doing what I can, but with a gut feeling beyond what I can prove. That gut feeling just makes me vigilant. It’s not something anyone can fully act on. “Hey kid, Mrs. Stromboli has bad vibes. We’re searching your belongings and you’re on suspension until we can decide if you’re just really into WWII or a Nazi.”

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u/bikestuffrockville Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

I'm not anti-gun at all, but who buys a handgun specifically for a 15-year old? You would have to really convince me to buy a phone for a 15-yaer old let alone a gun. Maybe that is just the old millennial in me.

Edit: spelling

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u/Ohyahyabetcha Dec 04 '21

Especially because statistically speaking, the person a teenaged boy is most likely to use a gun on is themselves. Anyone with teenagers who gives them free access to firearms is handing them a permanent solution to all their temporary problems, and my god is it dangerous. Even if you don’t give a shit about what he might do to others, you’d hope they’d give a shit about him. Apparently not.

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u/Pressblack Dec 04 '21

See. This was all so avoidable.

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u/LNLV Dec 04 '21

Avoidable by the parents, idk if I’d blame the school, it seems like they were doing what they thought would mitigate the situation. I’m going to assume most school administrators believe parents DONT want their kids to become school shooters.

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u/Pressblack Dec 04 '21

Well then the parents certainly could have tried harder to suck less and fail at that.

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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Dec 04 '21

I feel like the school did almost all they could, they couldn't just toss the kid out of the building onto the street if the parents wouldn't take him, I think the next step should have been call a therapist or even the police.

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u/_IMNOTTHEFBI_ Dec 04 '21

They refused to take him home earlier like the school suggested.

But didn't go check to see the where the gun was and didn't call about it until about 45 minutes AFTER the shooting.

Guilty AF in my book. Throw away they key.

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u/ppw23 Dec 04 '21

I’m glad to see these parents being held accountable. It’s not always the case, but in a household that centered on guns as an idol to be worshipped, they definitely are culpable.

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u/Political_Fishbulb Dec 04 '21

He also had the gun with him in his backpack during that meeting where the parents were told to get him counseling - but the parents didn't bother to mention it to the school staff.

Whether or not they knew he had the weapon on him, the staff knowing that the parents gave him one just a few days earlier likely would have prompted the question about where it is, potentially preventing this whole thing.

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u/MungTao Dec 04 '21

When I was in highschool columbine had just happened 5 years ago. This is when kindergardeners would get suspended for biting a poptart into the shape of a gun and pretending to shoot a class mate. You couldnt have a shirt with a gun on it in any context it was zero tolerance. Its weird to hear that they got complacent but it makes sense I guess. If you drew pictures of shooting people that would have been immediate expulsion and still should be.

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u/freeparKing33 Dec 04 '21

People die all the time what’s the big deal!? CRT is fake news and will corrupt our children

/sssssss

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u/ConverseBriefly Dec 04 '21

Hey if kids are dead then they can’t be taught CRT!!!

/sssssss as well

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u/jessflyc Dec 04 '21

This kid was clearly BEGGING for someone to stop him.

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u/david5699 Dec 04 '21

Parents refused to take him home like the school asked. Later that day, shot up the school.

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u/Jstef06 Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

Who buys a handgun for a 15 year old? Wtf is wrong with these people? This is EXHIBIT A why America needs gun control. People DO NOT understand how fucking stupid the average consumer is.

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u/ChickenWingPenis Dec 04 '21 Take My Energy

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

George Carlin

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u/zero573 Dec 04 '21

George Carlin is the fucking patron saint of common sense.

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u/beautnight Dec 04 '21

They are Trump supporters. Critical thought isn’t really on the table here.

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u/wonteatfish Dec 04 '21

Yes, and other Trump supporters will somehow make heroes of these criminal lowlifes.

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u/Openhigh4 Dec 04 '21

Fox will hire the kid and the parents.

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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Dec 04 '21

Fox was already trying to paint him in a good light.

So lets see if I have this right. fox nooos now supports

  • Child molestors

  • Viruses

  • Nazis

  • Domestic Terrorists

  • And now school shooters

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u/pingpongoolong Dec 04 '21

Michigan conservative extremists are a special kind of insane. They tried to kidnap their own governor for goodness sakes.

Source: my folks are UPers. I would betcha a fair amount of imaginary money they’re hiding in the UP with all the other gun stashing, confederate flag waving, doomsday prepping wakodoodles...

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u/fermium257 Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Gold Helpful 'MURICA

Who buys a handgun for a 15 year old?

'MERICA!

Wtf is wrong with these people?

IT'S MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT AFFORDED TO ME BY THE 2ND AMENDMENT! MUH RIGHTS AND FREEDUMS!

This is EXHIBIT A why America needs gun control.

GUN CONTROL IS USING BOTH HANDS! AIN'T TAKIN' MY GUNS! OVER MY DEAD BODY!

People DO NOT understand how fucking stupid the average consumer is.

MUH FREEDUMMMMMBBS! REEEEEEEEEEEEE

-Republicans probably

patiently awaits the delicious (republican rage tears) downvotes

EDIT: Let me clarify something for the smoothbrains in the back of the room. (Looking at you, u/rhade333) If what you took away from this post is "making light of a sad situation", than you've completely missed the point and proven mine. This points out the ignorant and ridiculous firearm worship and idolization, the majority of the Republicant's spew. Any time a mass shooting happens, it's always "ThOuGhTs AnD PrAyErS".. No real suggestions of change. Just pray the problem away. Cause that has worked so wonderfully so far. MORONS

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u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn Dec 04 '21

Yep. And they are probably going to take back Congress in 2022. I think it only gets worse now.

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u/fermium257 Dec 04 '21

It's definitely not good now. If that happens, it'll definitely be worse.

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u/Potential_Spring_625 Dec 04 '21

Is this part of the concerning behavior that was mentioned by prosecutor? It certainly would've concerned me. I'm just wondering.

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u/halfdecenttakes Dec 04 '21

He had also posted on insta something pretty obviously implying what he was going to do and his parents had a meeting with the school over his fucked up behavior the day of the shooting.

Like they had every warning sign imaginable

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u/Potential_Spring_625 Dec 04 '21

Holy shit! I missed that.

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u/inkedup1985 Dec 04 '21

How can you garner sympathy for such a piece of shit. If I lost a child to someone who the media portrayed for sympathy I dunno how I’d handle that.

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u/FaerilyRowanwind Dec 04 '21

I mean it literally what these people do. Next they are going to say it didn’t happen and all these people are crisis actors like they did with parkland and Sandy hook

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u/look2thecookie Dec 04 '21

Or ignoring the murderer altogether and sharing the hero (a kid) who is dead from trying to disarm the shooter. Bc God forbid they talk about the problems with guns and instead focus on this weird hero trope they love so much.

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u/Ayan0212 Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

How the fuck do you buy your 15 year old a gun?!?! Is that even legal?

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u/Nekowulf Dec 04 '21

You legally keep it under your name while handing the loaded 9mm to him and winking.

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u/mjk1093 Dec 04 '21

Depends on the state. In some, 12-year-olds can possess firearms, and even hunt without supervision.

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u/Promethazines Dec 04 '21

Those are generally long barrel guns though. Owning a handgun is more stringent.

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u/NuNuCheese Dec 04 '21

All that does is make the Church and any religious white person look worse than they already do

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u/Tom_Slick2020 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

THEY DIDN’T LEAVE IT WHERE HE COULD GET IT, THEY FUCKING GAVE IT TO HIM!!!

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u/AntiSentience Dec 04 '21

They radicalized their own child. They’ve been spending the last five years indoctrinating him into the trump cult and acting like guns are the only answer. They RUINED that kid. Not that he isn’t responsible for pulling the trigger, but they bear way more responsibility than any other school shooters parents I’ve ever seen.

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u/ScrotumSam Dec 04 '21

Adam Lanzas mom comes to mind. He started with her though so no one ever had to address whether or not to charge her.

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u/WarHeroG Dec 04 '21

What a fucking shame. The New Nazi Party will celebrate them as right wing folk heroes for abusing their 2nd Amendment rights.

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u/ppw23 Dec 04 '21

They were giving it to him as a Christmas present! They posted it on FB as if it was a proud moment. The Ahole parents raised him in a household that apparently worshipped guns and gun culture.

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u/Sure_I_Kno_A_Baggins Dec 03 '21

If they're concerned for their safety, perhaps they should get themselves some more guns.

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u/Tom_Slick2020 Dec 03 '21

Can’t, they gave the last one to their demon spawn son! WHO THE FUCK WOULD DO THAT???

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u/A_Topical_Username Dec 04 '21

These people in fact did not love their kid.. they loved their guns.

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u/Reamofqtips Dec 04 '21

Are we really calling a Kia Soul a station wagon?

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u/Ninja_Lazer Dec 04 '21

I often wonder if children like this would have turned out better with more capable parents.

I don’t wonder that in this situation. If the reported evidence is true, than these parents are absolutely culpable.

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u/Clean_Mix_963 Dec 04 '21

I feel the same way. I genuinely wonder what types of crazy shit they taught to this already mentally ill kid to get him this way. Like I don't believe any kid just turns out this way without some outside influence?

I think this is something more than just the parents purely being neglectful and "stupid" like alot believe, I wouldn't be surprised if they put some really hateful and violent ideas in his head that spiralled out of control

Don't get me wrong, I think they're ALSO stupid, but this doesn't feel entirely due to the parents being simply dumb. They definitely seem like malicious people too

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u/cantthinkofaname1357 Dec 04 '21

survivors should class action lawsuit the parents into the dirt. this wasnt one of those oh he was such a quiet boy no warning signs.

also his church picture still makes him look like somethings wrong with him

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u/1artvandelay Dec 04 '21

If you have minors in your home and you do not lock your weapons then you deserve to be held accountable for what happens when they find them. The fact that this was a gift to the stupid kid and they willfully dismissed red flags about his intentions is flat out evil and they should be thrown in prison

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u/bobswandi Dec 04 '21

Absolutely, and honestly some child abuse charges should be filed imo. The blantent disregard to thier own child's mental health to add to the "senseless act" of buying him the weapon.

Honestly and unpopular opinion maybe, I think school officials should be held liable as well. If reports are true, because we all know inflation in the media sometimes, especially with instances like these, the school officials also ignored red flags of the kids mental health, supposedly they could have sent him home the day of the shooting. Everyone wants to talk about mental health when things like this happens, and this case is a prime example of how utterly abysmal we truly treat mental health in America.

Damn.....this is so tragic on so many levels.

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u/deuce_less Dec 04 '21

Just wait till Boebert starts a gofundme for the parents.

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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Dec 04 '21

They can hide under Marjorie’s flesh mask.

Marjorie’s Mask: a legend of Zelda game I don’t wish to play.

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u/WestG1992 Dec 04 '21

Time to use some right-wing rhetoric, ahem. If they didn't do anything wrong, why are they fleeing?

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u/lainwla16 Dec 04 '21

"JuSt CoMpLy"

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u/omfgihatemyjob Dec 04 '21

to escape the cancel culture obviously!!! /s

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u/LightningMcLovin Dec 04 '21 Helpful

So how long until they break out the Trump playbook and pretend they’re being persecuted for their political beliefs?

And then how long before they’re on Tucker Carlson to discuss cancel culture?

And then how long before they run for Congress as Republicans and win?

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u/Grouchy-Ad-1835 Dec 04 '21

You from the future or what lol you know they plan already lol

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u/mason_savoy71 Dec 04 '21

Pretty sure it wasn't even the dad who bought the gun.

It was antifa.

And the gun wasn't bought for the son.

It was bought for antifa.

Teachers who claimed he drew something rotten were antifa.

It was an antifa false flag episode. There is no mother, father, or son. Just antifa.

This stinks of antifa from left to right to top to bottom.

/s (because internet)

Turtles, ur ah antifa all the way down.

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u/rbmk1 Dec 04 '21

I went over to the Fox News site out of morbid curiosity. Some of the absolute lunatics they have there are actually defending these shitbirds, thankfully even there the majority seem to be telling them how insane defending these parents is. Running doesn't exactly make them look innocent either. If these were confirmed Biden supporters thr right would be having an absolute feeding frenzy.

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u/fillymandee Dec 04 '21

We cannot look to anything in an online comment section as a barometer of public opinion. Literal robots can be making these comments. Sure, there’s some wackos that will say contrarian shit just to troll but they are the few.

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u/hadyourmom69 Dec 04 '21

This is beyond politics. Anyone that can defend the kid or the parents for buying him the gun and enabling him are out of their minds. I mean who buys a teenager a handgun?

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u/UCPonch Dec 04 '21

Terrorists, that’s who.

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u/rougewitch Dec 04 '21

Welcome to america friend! Where we value guns over womens rights….

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 Dec 04 '21

Nothing is beyond politics. If a deadly, flu-like virus can be politicized, anything can.

Republicans can and will politicize anything if they think it helps them. All they need to do is paint the other children as liberal Biden lovers and this kid as doing his moral duty to take them out.

Luckily, I don't think we're in a place where that will win over even the most ardent Trump supporters. But it will probably veer into gun rights debates and how if the teacher had a gun, this all could have been avoided.

I don't want to witness any of it. I can't take it. I hope in however long it takes to wake up one day and see that these people have been sentenced to life in prison for their crimes.

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u/tacomenu Dec 04 '21

Do they think this is some Bonnie and Clyde shit??

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u/FerociousPancake Dec 04 '21

No way. Bonnie & Clyde were WAY smarter than these people.

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u/ChillenDylan3530 Dec 03 '21 Silver

They’re just gonna call trump and JFK Jr and ask for a pardon.

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u/_Kay_Tee_ Dec 04 '21

You joke, but I would not be surprised if they turned up at Mar-a-Lardo expecting Jesus-Donald to help them.

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u/ChillenDylan3530 Dec 04 '21

Yeah it’s only slightly a joke lol

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u/OutOfCharacterAnswer Dec 04 '21

Like they say, there's a little truth to every joke!

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u/KryptikMitch Dec 04 '21

These people should be considered armed and dangerous. If they armed their kid they armed themselves too no doubt.

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u/VivelaVendetta Dec 04 '21

So they've just abandoned their son in jail? True he's s murderer but he's still just a child. You expect that if no one else will stand by him his parents will. They aren't visiting him or speaking for him? That's just strange to me as a parent.

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u/FaerilyRowanwind Dec 04 '21

I low key think they were hoping he would actually use the gun to kill himself.

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u/maleia Dec 04 '21

Low key? That's the only way they could have gotten out of this situation without possibly going to jail. Now they are fucked. They probably really hoped that he did.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

Man, that's some Dead Man on Campus meets We Need to Talk About Kevin shit. You've just given Hollywood an idea for a dark comedy. Except in the screenplay, the kid has an inheritance from a distant relative that only he could access once he turned 18 but if he died before then, it goes to his parents. So they really emotionally and mentally browbeat and manipulate this Jeremy into Speaking In Class Today, but instead he fucks them by staying alive and giving evidence that would bring them down with him.

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u/lainwla16 Dec 04 '21

Parents of the year

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u/lemonsforher Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

For:

-Ignoring signs their kid needed mental health services for possibly years

-Buying him a gun

-Not locking up said gun

-Telling him “lol” it’s fine and he just needs to do a better job of hiding it after he’s caught searching online for ammo at school

-Asking administrators to let him back to class on the morning of the shooting after a teacher found his drawing which included a gun, blood, and “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”

-Conveniently omitting during this meeting that they (the family) own weapons, that they bought their son a gun a few days ago, and that there is a possibility he has it in his backpack as it was stored unlocked

-Fleeing

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u/MaMerde Dec 04 '21

Imagine being raised by these fucks. Reaching a breaking point and killing people and then your parents bouncing on you.

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u/insertcaffeine Dec 04 '21

Right? If (god forbid) my son ever goes to jail, I'll be there advocating for him. I won't be excusing his behavior, I'll just be there to make sure he has what he needs.

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u/ihateyouall675 Dec 04 '21

Dude if you buy a gun for someone that cant legally own a gun that's called a strawman purchase and the ATF will have some shit to say about that. Let alone if it's used in the commission of a murder. They should be charged as accessories to the murder. Let them all share a cell together. Be one big happy family in prison.

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u/seadog01 Dec 03 '21

I'm sorry I only have one upvote for this turn of events.

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u/Magnet50 Dec 04 '21

I’m sorry, but I really hope they resist arrest when law enforcement catches up to them.

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u/warboner52 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Not to make light of a horrendous situation.

But ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha they're so fucked.

And rightfully so.

They knew their kid was a fucking miserable monster... And did nothing.

Edit for clarity: by nothing I mean, they did not seek assistance or help with their burgeoning serial killer, and instead ignored all warning signs and as poster below said, enabled this monster to act on their impulses.

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u/Durr1313 Dec 03 '21

But they didn't do nothing, they enabled him. Doing nothing would have had a better outcome.

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u/cagedwisdom8 Dec 03 '21

It’s unfathomable that a parent would defy the school the way they did after they brought so much concerning evidence to their attention. The disturbing drawings, the note… it’s like they wanted him to do something horrific.

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u/Durr1313 Dec 04 '21

My guess is they knew he was a lost cause and thought this was an easy way to get rid of him - he gets a life sentence and they get a fresh start. They just didn't think it through to realize that they would be held legally responsible for it.

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u/BilbowTeaBaggins Dec 04 '21

I think the parents actively fostered this behavior, judging by their reactions and the fact that they provided him with all the supplies and actively ignored the teacher telling them on out the son’s disturbing behavior.

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u/warboner52 Dec 03 '21

Edited for clarity, you are correct.

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u/bubba7557 Dec 03 '21

Far worse than even enable, they abetted and participated when they put a weapon capable of mass murderer in his hands.

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u/warboner52 Dec 04 '21

Very true... Honestly, they shouldn't get manslaughter... They should be charged as accomplices.

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u/Enlightened-Beaver Dec 03 '21

Nice. Add additional charges, lock the whole family up

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u/AvoidingCares Dec 04 '21

I'm going to take a wild guess and say they were NRA members.

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u/BennyBurlesque Dec 04 '21

The Mom wrote a letter praisng Trump for guns laws. which he didnt pass.

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u/cjmorello Dec 04 '21

Since they decided to flee. What's the odds they off themselves?

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u/lilBalzac Dec 04 '21

The parents are insurrectionists. They should have been arrested that day on no-bail. I guarantee they are being harbored and funded by pro-Trump militia terrorists.

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u/mjace87 Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

Why announce on tv that you’re charging people that aren’t in your custody. The DA made a mess of the whole thing. They should have never let those people out of there sight. Send a detail to “protect” them.

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u/ojioni Dec 04 '21

I am a gun owner and a supporter of the second amendment. The parents are absolutely responsible for what happened and belong in prison.

If you have guns in your home, you are responsible for how they are used. You are responsible if your child gets his hands one one and shoots someone, whether by accident or on purpose.

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u/JesseTheServer Dec 04 '21

So during emergency meeting about his drawings to shoot people, parents didn't think, hey, let's see if he brought that gun we just bought him to school? Or at least where the fuck it was so they could take it?

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u/col381 Dec 04 '21

Placing my bet now that the right wing “media” attempts to turn them into victims in the coming weeks.

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u/framilz Dec 04 '21

This kids just fast tracking himself to be Matt Gaetz’ new intern.

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u/Purple-Design9795 Dec 04 '21

The mother ignored the calls and messages from the school telling her her demon spawn was caught buying ammo online in the middle of class and instead texted him, laughed and told him he needed to learn to do that without being caught. They also refused to do anything the morning of the shooting when they were called to the school because their kid was drawing pictures of dead and bloody people and saying he had bad feelings that wouldn’t go away. They absolutely didn’t give a fuck. The school administration needs to answer for their own refusal to call the police when they knew the kid was disturbed and possibly dangerous. When his idiot parents refused to take him out of school and get help for him, they just shrugged and sent him back to class. They are all garbage.

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