r/WitchesVsPatriarchy Aug 17 '22 Silver 2 Gold 2 Wholesome (Pro) 1 Doom 1 Take My Energy 1 Wholesome 3 Helpful 4 Heartwarming 1

I'm a trans woman, is this a terf sub or a feminist sub? Burn the Patriarchy

Edit : thanks a lot for the feedback

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u/MableXeno ✨💗✨ Aug 17 '22 Silver

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Thank you for understanding, and blessed be. ✨

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u/Turtlebug42 Science Witch ♂️ Aug 17 '22 Yas Queen

I'm a trans guy and this sub has been nothing but supportive towards trans people as far as I've seen!

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u/UXM6901 Aug 17 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Ally

Witches are, by definition, big fans of transformations.

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u/mercurialpolyglot Aug 18 '22

If I could transform into a cat I think my life would be complete

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u/googol88 Aug 17 '22

Shoutout to the volunteer mods!

ETA: and the tireless automod

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u/JudgeyMcJudgepants Aug 17 '22

I am a cis dude and I never encountered hostile people here :) witches rock and the fact that they know they rock makes them amazing supportive people. I am at a really dark place at the time and a few of these lovely witches message me regularly and keep in touch with me. I LOVE YOU ALL!!!

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u/TechyTink Aug 17 '22

And we shall continue to be!

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u/platalyssapus Aug 17 '22

Hear hear! ❤🙌

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u/my_main_I_promise Aug 17 '22

I'm a cis-het male, I mostly keep my mouth shut but everyone here is amazing

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u/Randa707 Aug 18 '22

Hey, we learn best when listening, or reading, in this case...

You still have a valid point of view to add, but we appreciate you "listening" and learning more than you interject!

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u/Thatfrenchtwink Gay Wizard ♂️ Aug 17 '22

Same, trans guy too and for all the time i've been on this sub, I never saw of experienced transphobia from the community

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u/Poliglotka Aug 18 '22 Helpful

Hi, I just wanted to ask some questions, and all the people here seem friendly and may be able to help me so here it goes. So my friend (afab) came out a few days ago and as we live in restrictive country (Poland) lgbt people are painted as threat to humanity and treated badly, am in fact actually scared for him and know it's gonna be a hard life so I wanted to ask what to do to make his life better? Is there anything that can help and if there's maybe any page or anything i could gain more knowledge? I guess I know the basics bc I am an ally for quite some time but I don't really know much partially because of country i live in and would really love some guidance. Thanks in advance.

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u/etherealparadox Witch ⚧ Aug 17 '22

Eh, I've been here a long time and while I do love this sub it's kind of hard existing here as a trans guy when topics around our bodies come up, and it can be tiring trying to remind other feminists that things like abortion rights are my rights too. A long time ago it was really bad with kind of dianic wiccan stuff but it's definitely got way better.

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u/Eastern-Ad-8403 Aug 18 '22

Thanks for pointing this out! I will be more mindful of that in the future.

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u/nothanks42069 Aug 17 '22

People have answered your question already. I just want to say, this is one of my favorite subreddits. So much positive energy, love, and support. Y'all are amazing.

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u/ThemisNemesis Aug 17 '22

Well, you’re one of us, so you’re amazing too. 🥰

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u/Whiskey-on-the-Rocks Aug 17 '22 Doom

It's a trans/non-binary/LGBTQ+ friendly sub.

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u/Asphalt_Animist Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Faith In Humanity Restored Starry Heartwarming I'll Drink to That Helpful (Pro) Brighten My Day Timeless Beauty Wholesome (Pro)

We're NERF. Non-Exclusionary Radical Feminists.

Edit: Yes, we know it's nerf or nothing, thank you.

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u/lorinabaninabanana Aug 17 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome

And just like Nerf toys, I'm fun and kinda squishy, too.

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u/Noodle-727 Aug 17 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Starstruck

It’s Nerf or nothing

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u/bwaaainz Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

I shall assimilate this catchphrase into my repertoire 😎

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u/lilacintheshade Science Witch ♀ Aug 17 '22

Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own

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u/JacLaw Aug 17 '22 Helpful

Resistance is futile

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u/jointheclockwork Geek Witch ♂️ Aug 17 '22

Unless you're Captain Janeway. Then resistance is a pretty solid plan.

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u/Stinky_Cat_Toes Science Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Aug 17 '22

There are two ways: the wrong way and the Janeway.

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u/JacLaw Aug 17 '22

We are all Captain Janeway

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u/jointheclockwork Geek Witch ♂️ Aug 17 '22

Can I be Ben Sisko? I've always been more of a DS9 guy.

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u/skywardmastersword Aug 17 '22

She was such an inspiration for me, even growing up when I thought I was a boy

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u/SkollFenrirson Aug 17 '22

I say this with love: repertoire

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u/bwaaainz Aug 17 '22

I had a feeling there was something not quite right but I got distracted before I could actually check. Thank you!

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u/NotARobotDefACyborg Eclectic Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Aug 17 '22

I heard this sung in my head to the tune of 'It's Now or Never ' by Elvis...😂😂😂😂😂

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u/Catmom-cunningfolk69 hearth witch✨ Aug 17 '22

I NEED THIS ON A T-SHIRT

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u/JacLaw Aug 17 '22

You'll need to include the hyphen so that nerf can't sue you. N-ERF

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u/neonfuzzball Eclectic Stitch Witch Aug 17 '22

and we come in all kinds of fun colors!

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u/DrTCHH Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

...even GREEN sometimes...when we have tummy aches!!....OR are "green with ENVY!!!"

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u/Lady_of_the_Seraphim Aug 17 '22

Or when we have bodypaint and a cosplay that's worth it.

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u/immersemeinnature Aug 17 '22

And attachments!

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u/tie-dyeandtacos Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

All of this annnnd certain parts of me glow in the moonlight too! 🤣🤣🤣

Edit: to the sibling who commented about dancing naked in the moonlight and then deleted it.(maybe reddit did? Idk?) All I have to say is free the nips, my friend! Just remember to put on some bug spray! Currently got a welt in the valley between the first natural banks and it's VERY annoying 🤣

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u/LauraLand27 Aug 17 '22

Dayum!!! Maybe that’s what’s missing!

Life has been a series of unfortunate events for a long while. A nekkid dance under a full moon is overdue!!

Thank You so much for putting the idea in my head!!! 🥰😎🌚

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u/tie-dyeandtacos Aug 17 '22

Two words: Bug. Spray.

Also, free those nips! Lol

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u/LauraLand27 Aug 17 '22

I live life nekkid. Unless I have someone show up, like the plumber later.

I went to a witch craft festival very recently. It was THE BEST artist/craft fair EVER, and I go to them as much as health protocols allow.

I restocked many types of healing, positive nature things (house fire.)

It’s time to bring out the big guns (figuratively) and get me and my sanctuary’s mojo back.

Blessed be

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u/MustardFacedSavior Aug 17 '22

I wanna be nekkid at home so much more often but I got cats and the thought of finding cat hair where I def don't want cat hair is a strong deterrent.

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u/LauraLand27 Aug 17 '22

I clean my bellybutton many, many times a day. I have all the supplies in my meds box lol

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u/LauraLand27 Aug 17 '22

Oh, and I don’t own a razor and haven’t shaved since March, 2020, when quarantine began, just to belatedly throw my nickel’s worth in that part of the conversation.

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u/YourStonedNeighbor Aug 17 '22

Fun and kinda squishy….but also will surprise attack you from behind a corner with a gun and hunt you down if I must😌☺️

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u/Ahsoka_Tano07 Aug 17 '22

Do you also get lost a lot, just like the darts?

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u/An_Inedible_Radish Aug 17 '22 Wholesome

Nerf or nothin

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u/Comprehensive_Plan93 Aug 17 '22

We need to make T-shirts

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u/panatale1 Aug 17 '22

I saw some great NERF or nothing art last year. I know I saved it to my phone, I just have to find it

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u/immersemeinnature Aug 17 '22

Yes! This really is the best

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u/LostStepButtons Aug 17 '22

I love this! I'm totally stealing it!

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u/NT500000 Aug 17 '22

Me too! So good!

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u/NinjaFATkid Aug 17 '22

Can confirm, I am a cis binary white male, I have participated in this sub as an ally for equality and I have never had a problem.

Also the memes here are fire

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u/OtherwiseJello Aug 17 '22

Yer a Warlock, NinjaFATkid. ;-)

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u/ghrayfahx Aug 18 '22

I fall under the same description as him, but I still prefer witch over warlock. A lot of times I’ve seen warlock used in a way that implies being above witches. Being so adamantly against the patriarchy, I simply can’t take that title for myself.

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u/Strange_One_3790 Aug 17 '22

Same here! I love this sub!

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u/SocraticIgnoramus Aug 17 '22

And my axe? lol

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u/spiralbatross Manwich ♂️ Aug 17 '22

And my… albatross!

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u/Psyborg13 Aug 17 '22

ITS NERF OR NOTHING!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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u/dinglepumpkin Aug 17 '22

NERFS! And nerf herders

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u/mistylouwho2 Aug 17 '22

Who’s scruffy lookin’?

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u/MirrorSauce Aug 17 '22

Fuck Feminist-Appropriating Radical Transphobes, they have beef with my sister, so I have beef with them.

NERF > FART

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u/OtherwiseJello Aug 17 '22

I call them FARTs, too. I have a trans kid. Ain't no way they call my kid names without consequence from Mom.

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u/Strange_One_3790 Aug 17 '22

What is FART? Fucking Awful Racist Transphobe?

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u/OtherwiseJello Aug 17 '22

From their comment:

Fuck Feminist-Appropriating Radical Transphobes.

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u/spinbutton Aug 17 '22

ugh...so complicated. What's wrong with just accepting people as themselves. Nerf Uprising

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u/Strange_One_3790 Aug 17 '22

You actually explained it. My head has been in a fog lately. Pardon me

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u/tophiii Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

The antithesis to FARTs (feminist appropriating radical transphobes) - thank you to the kind soul in this sub who brought this acronym to my attention

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u/lemonaderobot Aug 17 '22

PLEASE let’s make this a thing that catches on

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u/aksnowraven Aug 17 '22

Also welcoming to cis male allies, from what I’ve seen.

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u/tribbans95 Aug 17 '22

I read non-trans for a second… I was flabbergasted lol

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u/midsummernightmares Gay Wizard ♂️ Aug 17 '22

This is a very friendly sub, from everything I’ve seen! I’m transmasc and when I asked if it was alright for me to join the sub to support others and enjoy the memes, I received a ton of messages that made me feel super welcome. I don’t think you have anything to worry about regarding that here. :)

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u/artichokesmartichoke Aug 17 '22

There's a seat at the table for everyone except the patriarchy.

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u/not_a_diplodocus Aug 18 '22

They made it pretty clear they have their own table.

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u/Prior_Tart_8283 Aug 18 '22

It’s quite large, I’ve seen it.

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u/MistressBlackleaf Sapphic Witch ♀ Aug 17 '22

You can trust this place; it's always been anti-TERF in my experience.

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u/AwkwardFold226 Aug 17 '22

Oh my gosh I just can’t lurk anymore without an answer.. what is a TERF? No hate, honest question. Please?

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u/SometimesSometimes88 Aug 17 '22

Trans exclusionary radical feminist. In other words, not actually feminists, just hateful bigots.

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u/AwkwardFold226 Aug 17 '22

Thank you

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u/SometimesSometimes88 Aug 17 '22 Silver

Of course! No shame in asking for an answer about something you’re unfamiliar with. We all have to learn somehow, right?

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u/SocraticIgnoramus Aug 17 '22 Wholesome

With every single post and every comment thread I become more convinced that this is the most wholesome sub on all of Reddit.

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u/caffekona Aug 17 '22

I think it even surpasses the fountain pen sub!

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u/Rainbowznplantz Aug 17 '22

High praise

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u/caffekona Aug 17 '22

Right?? I freaking love that sub. It still warms my heart when I think about the custom ink fundraiser thing for the one poster.

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u/Luminouaheartgx Aug 17 '22

Curious minds need to know, which fountain pen sub?!?!

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u/caffekona Aug 17 '22

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u/rabbitin3d Aug 17 '22

OMG, I've been on the wrong fountain pen sub all this time! Thanks for the link - now I've found my people. :)

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u/Astuary-Queen Aug 17 '22

Me also. Also r/askwomenover30 is also an amazing place

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u/SocraticIgnoramus Aug 17 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome

Joined. As a cis-het white dude raised in the south (but also someone who has always been described by my peers as someone who’s so open-minded my brain fell out), it’s such an invaluable resource to find spaces where feminist concepts and feelings are discussed from a perspective of empowerment.

Another interesting thing I can’t help but note is that NONE of these spaces are ever exclusionary of dudes, not even in the least. The unspoken rule seems to be to either contribute meaningfully or be content to lurk, but neither is necessarily frowned upon or penalized - however, speaking out of turn and regurgitating tired old thoughts of traditions and prescribed roles in society is attacked instantly and directly on the merits (or more appropriately the lack thereof). The “witches” of Reddit are an exemplary model for how society should be conducted in all matters. Pure equality and pure merit of ideas often only exists in feminist spaces, and I truly appreciate how openly and without prejudice y’all are willing to share despite the internet being an inherently chaotic space.

For what it’s worth, there are a ton of dudes like me who glean an extraordinary wealth from these discussions and not only carry it forward into our real world interactions with other cis-het dudes, but who are also exposed to many indoctrinated women of all ages and are better able to empathize and have constructive conversations with our mothers, grandmothers, aunts, cousins, daughters, and even S.O.’s because we are able to temper things through the perspective what we learn here.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

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u/UncleTogie Aug 17 '22

I'm just happy to support my sisters.

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u/ActionDeluxe Aug 17 '22

This is beautiful. Username checks out.

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u/SocraticIgnoramus Aug 17 '22

I’ve been “username checks out”’d quite a few times, but this is the first time it wasn’t backhanded or pejorative in effect. Thank you

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u/LiekaBass Aug 17 '22

There are dozens of us!

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u/verronaut Aug 17 '22

A little extra context, it was originally an acronym that terfs chose for themselves, but now that it's primarily used when making fun of their shitty beliefs about trans folk, they will complain that terf is a slur.

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u/wafflesandbrass Aug 17 '22

I like FART (feminism appropriating radical transphobe).

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u/anarchwitch Aug 17 '22

I've heard "feminism-appropriating reactionary transphobe" as well, which is think is probably more accurate

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u/tophiii Aug 17 '22

My favorite

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u/TeeManyMartoonies Aug 17 '22

Hahahaha stealing this for the next fart face I run across

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u/franncn Aug 17 '22

This has always been so so so confusing for me. How can you call yourself a feminist… an advocate for women, women’s rights, and equality, while simultaneously disregarding an entire group of women?! It really baffles me. There is so much hate out there and it gets increasingly disappointing.

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u/NotMyNameActually Aug 17 '22 Wholesome

I don't agree with them, but I can follow their logic. They're operating from a flawed premise, (or several) and I don't know if it's ok to explain where I think they're coming from, or if it will sound too much like defending them, but I'll give it a go.

They believe that being assigned female at birth gives all cis women a shared, common experience of the world that men don't share and can never empathize with. This common experience is a sort of female heritage, connecting us to all women of the past and future. They believe this experience and connection is what defines being a woman. So therefore anyone assigned male at birth can never be a woman, they are just men pretending to be women to invade and take over women's spaces.

This, of course, ignores the following facts:

First of all, not all cis women have a shared common experience of the world. A middle class white American woman might even have more in common with a middle class white American man than with a woman of color from a developing nation.

Second, they usually believe this common female experience is one primarily of oppression. If that is true, we should be welcoming our trans sisters with open arms, because that is definitely something we'd have in common.

Third, gender is complicated. Too many people learned about X and Y chromosomes in middle school and think themselves experts on genetics. Not only can you be something other than XX or XY, you can also have the same chromosomes as someone else but they can be expressed and interpreted differently in different bodies. And then the brain can develop in a whole different way anyway. It's a really complex interplay of brain structure, chromosomes, hormones, and probably other things, so it's really best just to take someone's word for it when they tell you what gender they are.

So yeah, the TERF type of "feminist" makes perfect sense . . . if you ignore facts, and people's lived experience, and have no empathy.

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u/theotheraccount0987 Aug 17 '22

I saw a meme/tweet and to paraphrase it, it said something like “I’m constantly conflicted by my gender, constantly in a state of cognitive dissonance where I hate my body for being oppressed, victim shaming myself for being female in a patriarchy. Rejecting feminine and girly aspects of me.

Then I see a trans woman. So undeniably happy and giddy to be Woman. Embracing their femininity. Loving their womanhood. And it gives me freedom to be feminine again.”

I don’t know if this is problematic? Obviously trans women don’t owe cis people gender performance and they don’t have to pass to be a woman.

I just see someone (anyone really) “allowing” themselves glitter, and pink, and twirly skirts and beautiful nails, and it allows me to embrace that too.

Despite being told by women throughout my life that to be feminine was inherently unsafe, to embrace feminine fashion was vapid, slutty and vain. That to be seen as woman was weak and unintelligent.

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u/perseidot Aug 18 '22

I love this answer. Comprehensive, and deconstructed. Beautiful.

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u/monamonzano1 Aug 17 '22

There's this awesome book called "The Trouble with White Women: A Counterhistory of Feminism" by Kyla Schuller that I cannot recommend enough. It does a great job of helping to tease out the subtle and not so subtle ways white women (like myself) have really fucked up and been on the wrong side of feminism and it's often-not-credited creators of color and trans experience. Some of it explains origins of things we still say and hear today that are super depressing.

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u/TeeManyMartoonies Aug 17 '22

Ooh thanks for this rec.

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u/le_nico Aug 17 '22

IT IS NUTS RIGHT??? The sad part is when reading about historical feminist movements that were straight up racist. I mean, not to say that there isn't racism in feminism today, but it was a big thing with the suffragettes.
My take on any of it is "You want to be femme? Come on over, join us!"

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u/Conscious-Charity915 Aug 17 '22

A great book on this is "Women, Race and Class, by the great A. Davis. Goes into the whole saga of the white racism of the early suffragettes.

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u/makeawishcuttlefish Aug 17 '22

They refuse to see trans women as women. 😣 It’s very frustrating.

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u/kiawithaT Aug 17 '22

There is a history of feminism being incredibly bigoted - racism and transphobia is rampant in many places.

For example, when initially fighting for voting rights white suffragettes abandoned the black women in the movement to ensure that they got their right to vote. This schism has caused deep wounds in the feminism movement that still bleed today and many white activists still refuse to acknowledge/atone for the past or show signs of repeating the same patterns. As a white person, it's frustrating as hell.

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u/Willowed-Wisp Aug 18 '22

I remember writing a paper that touched on "white feminism" (it was actually about feminist themes in short horror stories, and I found some comparisons in a Shirley Jackson story) and I was so disappointed when my professor, who by all accounts was a progressive, liberal (white) woman, added a note at the bottom of some of her feedback saying something like, "to be fair, the early feminists were white women".

I didn't say anything (I didn't have the time or energy to) but it pissed me off. Like, seriously? Did it ever occur to you that women of color were also involved but possibly left out of textbooks? Or worse- actively oppressed by the white ones? I'm white myself, born and raised in quintessential suburbia, but I still get that. Some people would probably say, "Well, whatever, it all worked out in the end" but that isn't the point. We need to acknowledge our past to prevent repeating it... which we're already doing, frankly.

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u/Willothwisp2303 Aug 17 '22

Not only that, but even if you're insane and hate trans people, conservatives love to assault and harass women under the guise of going for trans people. It's literally in their best interest to join forces. Otherwise, we get creepy pedos wanting to check little girls genitals to play sports.

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u/Yrcrazypa Geek Witch ☉ Aug 17 '22

This is why conservatives try to attack intersectionality so hard. The more they can keep everyone divided and fighting amongst themselves, the easier a time they have in crushing people.

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u/necktiesandbowties Aug 17 '22

"In order to protect real little girls we're going to mandate sexually assaulting any and/or all little girls to prove that they're little girls who deserve to be protected!"

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u/Amelaclya1 Aug 17 '22

That's because they don't care about women that don't fit their traditional "feminine" stereotypes. So in their mind, any cis-woman that gets mistakenly harassed for "using the wrong bathroom" is at fault because she should put more effort into being "pretty". I'm so glad their sub got banned for the hateful place it was, but sometimes it was amusing to go in there and gape at them like zoo animals. They came up with some truly bizarre takes to try to justify their transphobia, to the point I don't know how they could even consider themselves feminists anymore.

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u/sofaraway10 Aug 17 '22

JK Rowling has entered the chat…

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u/AuntJ2583 Aug 17 '22

JK Rowling has entered the chat…

Yup. Disappointment in her is where I learned the term.

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u/Haber87 Aug 17 '22

The other thing that’s mind-boggling is that when you go with the whole “enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing, TERFs are cozying up the biggest women-hating right-wing patriarchy confirming men. It’s ridiculous for them to even attempt to claim themselves as feminists.

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u/Tamras-evil-eye Aquarian attitude✌🏼 Aug 17 '22

I’ve never heard that either. Thank you for sharing

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u/Theheadandthefart Aug 17 '22

I read that as "hateful bidets" and it struck a weird terror in me

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u/Jaomi Aug 17 '22

As a bunch of other people have already pointed out, TERF stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

However, around the internet, TERF is often used interchangeably with “transphobe.” Pedants might point out the logic problem here - all TERFs are transphobic, but not all transphobes are TERFs (since one can be transphobic but also not be interested in any brand of feminism, radical or otherwise).

TERFs themselves consider TERF a slur, and use terms like “gender critical” or “sex-based rights” to describe their opinions. (Its a whole mental gymnastics thing where they want to oppress people but don’t want to admit they are oppressing people.)

There’s also the term SWERF, which means Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Unlike TERF, SWERF hasn’t really caught on as a word to refer to anyone who is anti-sex worker.

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u/significantotter1 Aug 17 '22

It stands for trans exclusionary radical feminist. Basically it is a group of "feminists" who do not accept trans women

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u/PhilomenaBunny Aug 17 '22

Someone who says that Trans women aren't real women and should be excluded from feminism. Atleast that's how it has been dumbed down to me.

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u/CrochetTeaBee Kitchen Witch ♀ Aug 17 '22

This whole thread gives me deja vu,,,,

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u/uuuuuggghhhhhg Aug 17 '22

Because it’s asked twice a week lol

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u/RowdyBunny18 Aug 17 '22

So true but that means more people are finding a welcoming place.....I kind of like it when new people announce themselves. And I love all the wholesome comments. It's a constant reminder that a whole bunch of people are really sweet and strong and human and it makes all the other negative bullshit I see sort of fade away.

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u/wateralchemist Aug 17 '22

I’m a cis guy and I’ve felt nothing but positive vibes here. My favorite sub actually- funny, intelligent, subversive, makes my pagan heart happy.

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u/Trashblog Aug 17 '22

The mods are really vigilant and care a lot about keeping this a positive space (and so deserve some of this praise)

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u/CuriousPincushion Aug 17 '22

They also do not just ban anyone who does not agree 100% and leave room for constructive discussions. Can sadly not say that about other big feminist subs.

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u/Crankylosaurus Aug 17 '22

Agreed, especially about other fem subs being less than kind

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u/StellarTitz Aug 17 '22

I've been perma-banned from another female sub because I criticized a woman who thought every single man in the world was staring at her and that she had the right to tell people not to look at her anymore... I thought it was crazy that she felt that way and tried to offer alternatives. I was perma-banned for "lack of support" and using the word crazy in any context.. I felt like I didn't belong there.

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u/DamesUK Aug 17 '22

Same here, brother witch.

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u/Cosmic-Cranberry Science Witch ☉ Aug 17 '22

We love seeing our brother witches here. We're glad that we share equal voice here, no matter the gender. Thanks for being here.

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u/CactusPete75 Aug 17 '22

Same here witch!

Edit: switched warlock to witch. Thank you for the insight.

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u/stanley_leverlock Aug 17 '22

Same. I really have no idea how I got here, but I really like it.

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u/chaosTechnician Geeky, Mormon Witch-Supporter ♂️ Aug 17 '22

Right? I'm a Christian cis-dude, and I love this sub!

Always a good place for content to share with my wife and daughter.

Best. Coven. Ever.

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u/SarcasticFox70 Green Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Aug 17 '22

Huh, that's pretty chill of you and good of you for supporting the women you care for. It's nice seeing other people from different religions being accepting of us here. You're always welcome here friend! 💜

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u/lalalicious453- Aug 17 '22

Hey! Welcome:) what are your thoughts of Jesus being an actual witch? I’ve explored the idea and the more I find the more I’m inclined to believe it.

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u/chaosTechnician Geeky, Mormon Witch-Supporter ♂️ Aug 17 '22 Gold

I don't think I've ever thought about Jesus being a witch before. Given that I consider myself more of a non-traditional, chaotic-good Mormon than a bible-thumping, evangelical Christian, it's an interesting question. Let's see where I end up:

My personal opinion as a human (which is certainly affected in multiple ways by my extremely traditionalist Mormon upbringing for good and bad 😬) is that anything that encourages people to treat people well and treat our known world with reverence is capital-G Good. Anything that encourages people to be shitty and wreck the place is not. In my opinion, the concept that aLl WiTcHcRaFt AnD sPiRiTuAl PrAcTiCe Is DeViL wOrShIp is objectively false.

If we assume that Christianity is 100% correct about the nature of the universe and Jesus' and our roles in it, his teaching that the only way back to God is through him must be true. Assuming God is somehow benevolent despite the current state of the world (because if He isn't, I don't want to know), and that one must follow Jesus to find proper peace after this life, then there has to be a way for everyone ever to be properly exposed to whatever precise message makes "Heaven xor Hell" a fair outcome. Accordingly, Witchcraft (as a positive religious practice) and any similar spirituality must be at least somewhat borne of the same God, just as different manifestations of the same something to ultimately direct everyone to Jesus' teachings. By that logic, sure, he could have been seen as a witch because it's the same thing. He likely wouldn't have identified with the term "witch" because his whole thing was glorifying God, not himself, and telling people to look to God through his example. But, I think conceptually, sure.

If we assume that Christianity is 100% wrong, then whether Jesus was a witch or not is immaterial because he was incorrect about everything. 😊

If we assume that Christianity and Witchcraft are just different flavors of interpreting some Higher Power, then yeah. If Christianity is strawberry and witchcraft is chocolate, then Jesus was still sharing ice cream?

Lastly, if I loosen up on the concept of Witchcraft and consider it from the angle the sidebar frames it, as folks "interested in using their esoteric powers to destroy the Patriarchy and all its constraints on women, men, and everybody in between and beyond...meant to channel the spirit of the women who were persecuted...as part of a thinly veiled systemic oppression of female power," then hell yes he was. He spent so much of his time with the oppressed and marginalized, including sex workers, and Christianity should learn a thing or two. 🥰

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u/justasque Aug 17 '22

I have never before seen the use of the exclusive OR in a religious analysis. Nicely done all ‘round!!!

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u/chaosTechnician Geeky, Mormon Witch-Supporter ♂️ Aug 17 '22

It did seem appropriate in the context to be so-very-explicit about the exclusive ORness of those outcomes. I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😀

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u/PM_me_opossum_pics Aug 17 '22

It feels like a mirror of menslib tbh. Menslib is a male-oriented positive/inclusive sub, this one is a bit more oriented towards women.

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u/bsievers Aug 17 '22

Never to be confused with mensrights. Ugh.

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u/PM_me_opossum_pics Aug 17 '22

Oh no, hopefully no one makes that mistake.

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u/szypty Science Witch ♂️ Aug 17 '22

Should rename it mensleft.

"Where are all the good men gone? Well, they all left to here!" xD

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u/sturmcrow Aug 17 '22

Same! I love this sub and always see the nicest posts and responses here.

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u/IWishIHavent Aug 17 '22

Same here.

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u/Vykrom Aug 17 '22

Ditto. I'm subscribed to a few feminist subs just to keep a pulse on things so I'm not ignorant and worthless as an ally. There's another sub where it's not only dangerous to be a man, but dangerous to be a woman because they will attack their own over lofty misguided ideals and misbelief. Which is a shame because it's so huge it draws a bigger crowd. I've never seen those issues in here. I'm not super active in either, but I love this place

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u/ApriKot Aug 17 '22

I think it's super funny I've been banned from subreddits for saying a lot of the stuff I see on here 🤣🤣🤣

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u/DephosieDracaenae Aug 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

You are safe here, sister.

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u/Jay15951 Witch ⚧ Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

It's a trans friendly sub :)

Though jerks get in on ocasion but the mods will usualy remove them pretty quickly even faster when you send them a report.

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u/sound_of_aspens wandering apostate ◯ Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

Mods are legend because I’ve never seen such a comment on this sub.

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u/CatzMeow27 Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Aug 17 '22

This is one of the safest subs I’ve found. They do an amazing job.

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u/CluelessIdiot314 Aug 17 '22

I remember I made a post once that got enough attention to get the trolls crawling out of their caves. I would get notified about a comment on my post, see in the notification it was probably not very nice, click on the notification, and it was already gone. The mods be speedrunning.

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u/cookiemonster511 Aug 17 '22 Helpful

THIS. The mods here rock and I say that despite having gotten a temp ban myself for one of those "it sounded better in my head" sarcastic comments that definitely came across as ableist when I reread it as part if getting reinstated. I love it here.

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u/Jay15951 Witch ⚧ Aug 18 '22

/s is apparently used to denote Sarcasm (I just learned about it last month XD)

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u/PoorDimitri Aug 17 '22

This happened to me the other day! I was so hyped to womansplain to the person.

Alas!

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u/persePHOreth Eclectic Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Aug 17 '22

Trans women are women. Period.

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u/KnightWombat Aug 17 '22

Must not.. make joke... about not... getting periods

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u/Glyst_di_Bold Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22 Silver Ally

Actually, if the person is on HRT they may experience period symptoms. Cramps, PMS, bloating, etc have all been documented in folks on HRT.

HRT = Hormone Replacement Therapy, i.e. hormones like estrogen and testosterone

Edit- Sauce, for interested parties, is below. Links to the medical studies in the article.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-trans-women-get-periods#tracking-pms-like-symptoms

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u/abortionleftovers Aug 17 '22

Haha I love your edit because even though I know you mean “source” for interested parties it says “sauce” and I literally thought you were selling a period sauce and I was SO INTRIGUED 🤣🤣🤣

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u/Milo_Moody Aug 17 '22

Really, you don’t even need to be a woman (and for clarity - trans women are women) to join this sub. Just be against the patriarchy. Also, we’re anti-TERF here. 🥰

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u/Vykrom Aug 17 '22

Lurking warlock against the patriarchy(?) Or a witch-bro

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u/Milo_Moody Aug 17 '22

“Witchbro” ❤️ love it!

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u/Bhrunhilda Aug 17 '22

Well pagans use witch as a non gendered term. So practicing men are witches.

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u/thesluttyastronauts Aug 17 '22 Bravo!

I'm a manwitch myself

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u/Dagos Baker NB Witch ☉ Aug 17 '22

Got a good cackle out of me haha

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u/Vykrom Aug 17 '22

Lol love it!

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u/Cosmic-Cranberry Science Witch ☉ Aug 17 '22

We love our witchbros too!

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u/hettienm Aug 17 '22

I will be using witchbro from now forward!

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u/cat-meg Aug 17 '22

No good reason for witch and warlock to be gendered

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u/SultanFox Science Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Aug 17 '22

I'm trans-masc and have largely felt very safe here! Like anywhere people can say problematic things sometimes but the overall vibe is incredibly trans inclusive.

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u/Llamaandedamame Aug 17 '22

This is the safest sub that exists IMO.

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u/testing_testing-123 Aug 17 '22

We're a love sub. 💜😁

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u/Spare_Job_9226 Aug 17 '22

No terfs allowed. Women support women here, ALL women💕💕💕

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u/localfartcrafter Aug 17 '22

I'm not a woman, but I've felt supported. Y'all are aware, accepting, inquisitive. This is a good part of the internet

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u/c4keandcre4m Aug 17 '22

I'm really glad as a trans guy there's safe reddits for us outside of specific trans/lgbtqia+ spaces 💙

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u/SomeRandomIdi0t Aug 17 '22

We are sisters, not cisters

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u/Narcy_Boy Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

Petition to change the term TERF to FART (Feminist-Appropriating-Reactionary-Transphobe) or (Feminist-Appropriating-Radical-Transphobe) or (Feminist-Appropriating-Ridiculous-Transphobe)

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u/honest-miss Aug 17 '22

I know I'm one of 900 comments but I'm legitimately curious and hoping to hear more: Why do you ask OP? Did you see something on this sub that wasn't sitting right?

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u/Digndagn Aug 17 '22

From the perspective of reading through your fingers waiting for some horrible a-hole comment to have 100 upvotes, this is maybe the best sub on reddit. It never happens. It's like this sub exists in a different world. Welcome!

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u/punkojosh Aug 17 '22

Living in the UK, this sub makes me feel like I'm allowed to live on this Earth. It sucks people have to ask, especially when the 'normal' people outside in some countries are going through a bit of crisis of bigotry and division.

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u/Bardfinn Anti-Hatred Seiðkonan ⚧ Aug 17 '22

Hi

This subreddit is safe.

Signed

The trans witch who is spending her retirement putting her witch boots on to sweep transphobes off Reddit

Cheers

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u/cookiemonster511 Aug 17 '22

We salute you for your service to humanity.

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u/Crankylosaurus Aug 17 '22

Hi, I love you, that is all. :)

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u/Purusha120 Aug 17 '22

TERFS can (and should) fuck off!

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u/narcmeter Aug 17 '22

I’m new to this concept (older, small town, different from the surroundings culturally) but feminist no frigging doubt tho. So, please forgive the ignorance but the question means there are supposed feminist communities or spaces that say NO trans women?! Also do they not allow trans men? Wtf is this shit?! Plz tell me this is some sort of pseudo book-club feminism. Gosh I’m old.

I’m glad you’re here, OP. I’m glad I’m here too after reading the answers. 💕

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u/ThePixiePenguin Aug 17 '22

Sadly there actually are loads of spaces online not welcoming of trans people. From my experience spaces that are not inclusive or trans ladies are common especially for a lot of women’s spaces but there are exceptions to this thankfully. It’s a shame because we are all women, I was born a woman my lovely friend is now a woman same thing no difference.

This sub is one of my favourites, I don’t post much but they seem to love everyone of us witches op you’re safe ❤️

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u/NeonGenisis5176 Geek Witch ☉ Aug 17 '22

Says in the Subreddits description, we are Sisters, not Cisters. BIPOC and LGBTQ+ friendly :3

I like it here a lot.

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u/Affectionate_Ear_778 Aug 17 '22

I think I’ve seen this sub say they’re for everyone who has dealt with the patriarchy

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u/blunar00 Aug 17 '22

i feel like a lot of people in this thread would benefit from knowing this, but the browser extension shinigami eyes is a great anti-transphobia tool if you're on a pc! everything gets vetted by human moderators before being saved on the wider app (things you mark will be saved locally for yourself). it works across many social media platforms (i use reddit, twitter, and tumblr and have seen it on all of those).

transphobes get highlighted in red, so you can avoid interacting with them, while those who speak up and actively defend trans people and their rights are highlighted in green. this sub has been green as long as i've been following it :)

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u/deskbookcandle Aug 17 '22

Trans women are inherently magic, ergo witches are not allowed to be transphobic

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u/daddakamabb1 Aug 17 '22

They literally went through the most to be who they really are! I can't imagine something more magical, than to over come all obstacles, and finally be who they are.

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u/LionResponsible6005 Witch ♂️ Aug 17 '22

You can’t be a transphobe and a witch is one of the laws of nature

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u/PolkHerFace Aug 17 '22

Super supportive! There's even a gender magic tag that folks put on their non-conforming selfies.