r/agedlikemilk • u/mixxxn • Feb 08 '21
Instagram influencer hypocrisy 101. It’s all about the likes, am I right kids?
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u/tiredswing Feb 08 '21
What's up with the lemons?
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u/DosaAndIdli Feb 08 '21
My guess was he was sponsored by bud light seltzer lemonade.
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u/mixxxn Feb 08 '21
Good call, that seems to be the reason! Nice catch.
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u/redhat12345 Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
There was an ad for bud light lemonade where lemons fell out of the sky.
So this is an ad showing the lemons fell and got stuck in his sign.
Obviously he’s wearing a bud light mask and drinking one as well.
This dude has an insta page and his insta tag line is : “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.” Which is ironic because this is an advertisement.
Also this is a “fuckjerry” insta page, so that’s really all you need to know
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u/Mentalseppuku Feb 08 '21
And as soon as the commercial played it went back to the game and the camera was already focused right on him.
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u/Super-Dragonfruit348 Feb 08 '21
Jesus man, the fucking marketing give it a rest.
I already hated every fucking commerical that tried to evoke emotion, the kind that are like "We are GREAT when we use blah blah blah"
Like the fucking Adobe one.
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u/PM_ME_UR_HALFSMOKE Feb 08 '21
Did you see the guy behind H.E.R. during America the Beautiful desperately trying to keep his Vodka Mule can in the shot? (~1:15)
Dude was trying to score a Super Bowl freebie
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u/HuggsyBogues Feb 08 '21
Guaranteed those seats were bought/given to him with the express purpose of advertising, hence why he checked and turned the can when the zoom in happened.
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u/PM_ME_UR_HALFSMOKE Feb 08 '21
I think it was spur of the moment. At ~0:27 you can see him realise that he's visible on the big screen and gives a little thumbs up. By the next time he's visible, he's waving the can around. I think he's with the company, saw the opportunity, and scrambled to get that can up as fast as possible.
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u/OneLove_91 Feb 08 '21
Right? The Jeep one pissed me off.
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u/kampfy3 Feb 08 '21
I was watching with my gf and about 5 seconds into that commercial I distinctly said, "Watch how disconnected whatever the fuck this commercial is trying to sell is going to be from how emotionally manipulative it is." We started to guess what it was going to be hawking. Army, Marines, health insurance, and I think Budweiser were our guesses.
We both cracked the fuck up when the Jeep logo flashed across. Like, Jesus guys, read a fuckin' room.
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u/crowcawer Feb 09 '21
Is that the one where Will Ferrell taught my toddler to yell damnit?
Cause he yelled it at daycare.
Proud parent day.
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u/waffleking_ Feb 09 '21
Every commercial was just like that. 30 seconds of insane visuals or a crazy story line and then a 2 second blip of "Shop at Honda"
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u/no12chere Feb 08 '21
Is this the bruce springsteen one? That one threw me over the edge. I was so pissed. Yeah lets come to the middle after you have done everything possible over 4 years to destroy every human you disagree with but now that w you are in the minority ‘lets come together’. Fuck that.
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u/Whats_Up_Bitches Feb 08 '21
Maybe if they’d give a sign of goodwill, like say, ousting the traitors from their party. Not sure there would be much of a party left after that though..
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u/JohnBrownJayhawkerr1 Feb 09 '21
I love The Boss. Love him more than any artist alive, but I'm definitely not "meeting in the middle" with those assholes. Fuck every single one of them, I hope they get destroyed, because that's definitely what they wanted/want for the rest of us.
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u/DependentDocument3 Feb 08 '21
why is only the left expected to compromise
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u/hereforthefeast Feb 08 '21
"Meet me in the middle," says the dishonest man.
You step forward.
He steps back.
"Meet me in the middle," says the dishonest man.
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u/HHH-mods-are-snakes Feb 08 '21
Because adults tend to be the ones who have to compromise to make the children happy :/
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u/RunWithBluntScissors Feb 08 '21
SO angry at the Jeep one. We are not re-united, and I’m not going to “meet in the middle” with people whose particular beliefs are irreconcilable with mine.
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u/RuinedEye Feb 08 '21
"Meet me in the middle" says the unjust man, as he
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u/huskersax Feb 08 '21
"Why won't you lunatics just put aside your differences and buy Jeep?"
Although the "both sides" compromise fallacy is 100% pitch perfect for Jeep's demo.
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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Feb 08 '21
Nevermind the fact at how much the auto industry is responsible for the fall of Unions in this country.
Which lead to even richer Billioniare Class
Which is leading us to class warfare
Just buy our shit already and shut up.
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
Just meet them in the middle. Why care that they think you’re subhuman, hate you for existing, and want to make it legal to discriminate against you?
No thanks Jeep, I’m good
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u/Kooriki Feb 08 '21
I worked on a Jeep commercial for the superbowl a few years back. It was much less wanky.
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u/TheBlueBlaze Feb 08 '21
It's ironic because the right hated that ad too, but because they think Springsteen is being a hypocrite for criticizing Trump and asking to meet in the middle.
Both sides don't want to "meet in the middle", especially not after one side still thinks their guy won the election.
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u/dennismfrancisart Feb 08 '21
"with people whose particular beliefs are irreconcilable with mine."
I translate that as "with people who want me dead."
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u/IniMiney Feb 09 '21
100% All I have to do is browse any thread about trans women to see how many people who don't even know me LITERALLY wish I wasn't alive at all.
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u/Vomath Feb 08 '21
Well on one hand some people want a higher minimum wage and on the other hand some people want to murder minorities/jail children.
Why can’t you just compromise? I’m sure they’d be happy to murder a few less black people in exchange for not raising the minimum wage (and tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, obvi).
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u/Crismus Feb 08 '21
The worst for me was using wholesome Sesame Street Characters to promote DoorDash. Never going to order from them.
The hypocrisy was just thick in the advertising. Did people forget about the 5 million dollar ad to promote minor water donations by Budweiser last year? (Or was it 2 years ago?)
Everything this year just went up to 11.
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u/T3hSwagman Feb 08 '21
I was angry at door dash ever since they did those “we are America’s kitchen” ads. You guys don’t cook shit. You’re America’s waiter.
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u/CatPoopWeiner424 Feb 08 '21
America’s middleman ayyo here’s your fast food meal for one that is somehow $25 now, only 10% tip? Wtf man?
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u/SolarTsunami Feb 08 '21
Also every single employee that works at whatever restaurant you might door dash from, except the owner, probably fucking hates it.
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u/Ok_Cockroach8063 Feb 08 '21
Can confirm, btw door dash also takes 40% of the revenue from the sale. It’s more of a promotion to get your name out there for the restaurant in hopes you call them directly next time
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u/DocHoliday79 Feb 08 '21
Oh The owner hates too. Trust me. They sign up for it out of sheer necessity. Big tech fucked small business on the pretence of help. “You don’t know how to do delivery online, no one calls for food anymore. We can fix that. For a 15-25% cut on every order. You are welcome”
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u/btveron Feb 08 '21
I worked at a Buffalo Wild Wings knockoff as a manager for a year around when DoorDash started to be a thing. We'd get carryout orders called in from an overseas call center using an outdated menu and after trying to figure out what the customer actually wanted we'd still get complaints because the order got placed wrong. I eventually called DoorDash corporate and removed our location from the app because it wasn't worth the hassle anymore.
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
that waynes world sellout uber eats shit was fucking lame as hell too
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u/bbamc2damunbitch Feb 08 '21
Was that what it was for? I just couldn't get past Cardio B being the cameo.
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u/Crismus Feb 08 '21
Yea. I'm done with them too. I figure I'll just pickup my own food now.
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
right? It was kind of insulting for them to act like they are the savior of small businesses. Support local by paying a premium to a globalized tech-bro mega corp, where the restaurants get less, the menu items are priced higher, and you're spending $10 in service and delivery fees that don't go to the driver. These assholes have spent a lot of time and money to gatekeep your local market, so small businesses have no choice but to use the service and give up revenue like some mafia style shakedown.
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u/justsyr Feb 08 '21
Watched in Argentina but the Canadian feed.
I just saw an ad from Robinhood app talking about letting people invest... wtf didn't they were shutting down people to invest just a few days ago?
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u/cold_toast Feb 08 '21
At least they are donating to Sesame Street. Unlike the jeep one which was a whole lot of nothing
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u/16semesters Feb 08 '21
Fuck DoorDash and similar.
Pay Employees Shit
Pay Restaurants Shit
Cost consumer an arm and leg.
All so some douche bag in San Francisco can be a billionaire.
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u/Shaggydog206 Feb 08 '21
I think we should acknowledge that Budweiser didn’t run an ad this year and donated it. I’m fairly certain a few companies released statements saying they were doing that.
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u/jewww Feb 08 '21
AB still ran plenty of ads though. That whole Budweiser thing was just a load of bullshit and an ad itself.
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u/bbamc2damunbitch Feb 08 '21
Budweiser's a hard sell in the age of craft beers. Gotta pump that seltzer while the trend is on the rise.
All strategy...
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u/JoppiesausForever Feb 08 '21
Are you feeling bummed out? Just have some 3D Doritos.
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u/CalicoCrapsocks Feb 08 '21
I'm convinced some people LOVE to be manipulated. Nothing turns me off to a product faster than shit like this.
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u/everythingisanail Feb 08 '21
Yeah, the flip side of this sign “coincidentally “ says: “When life gives you lemons, make lemonade”. They showed it right after the Bud Light Lemonade Seltzer spot.
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u/Toph-Builds-the-fire Feb 08 '21
What is a "fuckjerry" insta page?
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u/A_Lusty_Argonian Feb 08 '21
Fuckjerry is an Instagram account with shitty memes that are beloved by the masses
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u/larrylevan Feb 08 '21
Not just shitty, stolen shitty memes. Just ask John Mulaney about fuck jerry and stolen jokes.
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u/Green2Black Feb 09 '21
I could but it would be much easier and save time if you just came out and brought me into the loop.
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u/Kenesaw_Mt_Landis Feb 08 '21
They are marketing company that specializes in insta stuff. They were big on the fyre festival
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u/Whateverbro30000 Feb 08 '21
That ad was in terrible taste. Saying it was a “lemon of a year” makes it sound like kooky bad luck. Almost half a million Americans died in 11 months, good luck making lemonade out of that shit.
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u/WhatsThatSmellLike Feb 08 '21
There’s another side to his sign that says...
“When life gives you Lemons, make Lemonade.”
Here’s the video clip.
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u/wcollins260 Feb 08 '21
That’s exactly what it was. The other side of the sign said “when life gives you lemons blah blah blah bud light lemonade”
I paraphrased because my memory sucks.
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u/BluEagle365 Feb 08 '21
On the back of the sign he wrote, "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade."
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u/stiof95 Feb 08 '21
Looking like he sold out to promote some drink
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u/Lemond678 Feb 08 '21
Yup. The back of his sign was an ad for the drink in his hand. I watched it live as they zoomed in on him.
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u/_megitsune_ Feb 08 '21
It's also on his mask
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u/ambrosebookeater Feb 08 '21
And in his hand.
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u/justabriese Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
And in his heart
Edit: first award! Thanks kind stranger. But I don’t take silver... ONLY GME 🚀🚀
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u/sc0511 Feb 08 '21
It was such an obvious ad and I hated how the commentators made it sound like the guy was genuine. Glad I saw this post to confirm my suspicions.
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u/trollfucker69 Feb 08 '21
It was never original in the first place it was always a fuckjerry-run account
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u/Sports-Nerd Feb 08 '21
Fuck those guys. The only time they haven’t stolen content it was literally Fyre Fest
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u/carly_kins Feb 08 '21
THANK YOU. Everyone is so surprised the marketing company marketed. Ugh. I hate FuckJerry.
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u/trollfucker69 Feb 08 '21
I’m sick and tired of fuckjerry promoting their shitty tequila brand
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u/life-doesnt-matter Feb 08 '21
It would be less anoying if they were up front about it. "hey, we make a tequila now, try some". but instead, its always some meme/joke about drinking or a game night and a bottle of it just happens to be sitting on the table in frame.
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u/Q_Fandango Feb 08 '21
Ah but my friend that is just “organic marketing.” Stating that you are promoted outright turns a lot of people off.
You know- something subtle.
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u/trollfucker69 Feb 08 '21
It’s like that Bo Burnham sketch about country music “a bud light with the logo facing out”
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u/carly_kins Feb 08 '21
I posted this above but I’m just so mad. It’s always been a sell-out marketing ploy. He’s literally a creation of @fuckjerry, the marketing company that steals everyone’s content and was involved in Fyre Festival. It’s in his bio
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u/Confident-Victory-21 Feb 08 '21
I'd sell out in a heartbeat if it was enough money.
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u/pillsbury8 Feb 08 '21
Anyone saying they wouldn’t is a damn liar this guy just made a haul to liiiiterally hold a sign at the super bowl lol
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u/Sports-Nerd Feb 08 '21
I’ll be completely honest... this year if you said you were going to send me to the super bowl, I hate to say it, but I probably would have still done it. I know that would make me a hypocrite and all, but I don’t know if I would ever have that opportunity again
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u/eju2000 Feb 08 '21
Worst part is this account is part of the FuckJerry / Jerry Media empire of accounts that compulsively steal media without credit for their own financial gain. Fuck all of them.
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u/trickyteton Feb 08 '21
This. This needs to be higher, it was started as a viral campaign by FuckJerry, never unique or original by an individual, just another marketing agency with bad morals
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u/eju2000 Feb 08 '21
They bought & confiscated like 30 extremely popular IG accounts too. It’s the epitome of everything that went wrong when meme & influencer accounts blew up 6-7 years ago. Wish more people were aware. Remember when #FuckFuckJerry was trending?
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u/schindlerslisp Feb 08 '21
he's affiliated with fuckjerry and that whole crew. they're the internet equivalent of a ponzi scheme.
fuckjerry built a platform off of screenshots of other people's jokes. his company (and ring of influencers) were some of the biggest influencers paid to promote the fyre festival and continued to "advertise" for it long after they all knew it was going to be a disaster.
then... they produced a documentary on the whole shit show, fyre, inking a distribution deal with netflix and profiting again from their role in the scheme, while barely mentioning their role in the affair.
i wish more people would just ignore everything they touch...
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u/ralexh11 Feb 08 '21
In the doc they basically blamed everyone else and tried to paint themselves as the "good guys" lmao.
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u/schindlerslisp Feb 08 '21
yep. and it was annoying as fuck watching the docs unfold in real time when they came out.
95% of online personalities mentioned the netflix doc and shredded everyone else associated with fyre. and... you hardly heard any online personalities mention the hulu doc or fuckjerry's role in all of it.
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u/thatguyned Feb 08 '21
There's a pretty common phrase that people dealing with controversy use. "if you control the narrative you can control how the public feels about you".
Thank God a lot of youtubers covered the scenario in an unbiased way and call out fuckjerry for their disgusting behaviour and point out how the whole festival was obviously a scam. If you look it up on YouTube you get a lot better understanding about how it all went wrong and who ran the shit show.
The fact they got a Netflix deal blows my mind. They actually may have used that to help hide the YouTube videos because searching fyre Island shows a lot of tailors now instead of the youtubers docks. It's disturbing to know there are people out there so intent on money fucking people over and are pretty intelligent at doing it
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
The fact they got a Netflix deal blows my mind.
If Tiger King taught me anything, it's that Netflix will gladly reward you for severely misrepresenting facts in your "documentary" as long as you spin it into a compelling narrative that keeps people watching.
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u/thatguyned Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 09 '21
There's a lot of shows I watch on Netflix because I've got nothing else to do or watch but I make a point of avoiding these things just to not add to their view count. It'd be good if this trend caught on because Netflix will produce anything that makes them money so the only way to prevent them from making these things is to not watch them
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u/NotMyLittleAnus Feb 08 '21
I’m a bit confused, which is the more accurate doc, the Netflix or the Hulu? I’ve been thinking of sitting down and watching one with my fiance
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Feb 08 '21
Watch both. They both have a lot of great footage but just remember the Netflix doc. is produced by FuckJerry who absolutely are culpable in Fyre and sought to minimize their role.
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u/LlamaBuster Feb 08 '21
I watched both as well. Netflix first. Remembered all the awful stuff they showed and applied it while watching the Hulu one. Imo the Hulu one is way better at explaining those involved and that everyone involved in the actual planning knew and continued to sucker people til the very end.
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u/Vermillionbird Feb 08 '21
haha i remember that: "the fyre guys wanted to have the hottest festival so they hired an elite production company, jerrymedia" then they spent like 5 minutes hyping themselves up
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u/warpvector Feb 08 '21
Hulu's doc featured a former fuckjerry employee who called them out on all of their shit.
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u/ralexh11 Feb 08 '21
Yeah, the Hulu doc was way better and not, you know, made by someone who was involved with the event in the first place.
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u/SquashIsVegan Feb 08 '21
They used to have an office in SoHo and would hang out at this bar I was at after work all the time. I can’t really fully explain how vapid and empty the whole lot of them are. They fashioned themselves as little masters of the universe and would always talk business loudly but anytime I ever heard anyone make any reference to the sorts of things they were planning on ripping off, they didn’t have any context whatsoever. Just a bunch of rich kids who fell ass backwards into more money because they were able to have the initial capital from their parents.
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u/Paddy_Tanninger Feb 08 '21
Initial capital and zero concern about failure or having a fallback.
These are things that go unmentioned a lot when discussing wealth privilege. You can shoot for the moon without ever worrying about being evicted or having your power shut off.
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u/schindlerslisp Feb 08 '21
yep.
i worked with them a while back. it went well for about a month but then they started using my work uncredited elsewhere. when i told them i didn't like that, they didn't see what the big deal was. they said don't worry, this will all benefit you.
it became pretty clear that their business model was to build a huge network of charlatans that would hype each other's work. i give them credit, they did sort of figure out how to game the system but i didnt want to be associated with people like that...
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u/SquashIsVegan Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
Yeah. It’s exactly like a Ponzi Scheme. People don’t realize how many of the largest accounts on Instagram are all being run out of the same office by a bunch of obnoxious guys who see memes and decide which type of person it would appeal to. It’s so cringey.
The internet used to be cool because anyone could contribute. But the way big tech and companies like the one we’re talking about function, it takes away everything that was great to begin with.
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u/elveszett Feb 08 '21
Rule 1 of being an influencer: Get money off everything, no matter how shady, and then claim no moral responsibility because "you didn't know".
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u/juca5056 Feb 08 '21
On a related note, the account Daquan is a bunch of 30-something white guy ad-execs using the same stolen jokes business model while pretending to be a young black man (or at least allowing a sizable chunk of their followers to assume that’s the case based on the name and AAVE-heavy content).
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u/MDG0910 Feb 08 '21
Can you please tell mewho else is he affiliated with besides fuckjerry or anyone else from that 'crew'? I realized after seeing this post that I need to clear my insta follows...
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u/schindlerslisp Feb 08 '21
beigecardigan has been there since the beginning. krispyshorts & kanyedoingthings came along shortly after they started to branch out.
i really stopped paying attention to their growing network a few years ago and mute all the accounts i see affiliated with them. i'm sure it's pretty huge by now.
if you're curious, just go to any of their profiles and see what other profiles they're posting and hyping.
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u/MDG0910 Feb 08 '21
Ok thanks a lot for the info )) i don't go much on insta but I'd rather not follow those kinds of people at all so it's good to know
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u/SquashIsVegan Feb 08 '21
FuckJerry, AnimalsDoingThings (and all of the ...doing things), GrapeJuiceBoys, BeigeCardigan, ShitHeadSteve, TrashcanPaul, BoysWhoCanCook, FuckAdvertisements, MiddleClassFancy, DudeWithSign.
Pretty sure on all of those. There are tons of others too though.
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u/AusBear91 Feb 08 '21
“Do you follow fuckjerry” The last thing you hear before someone shows you a trash ass unfunny meme
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u/GoodWorms Feb 08 '21
Not to mention a trash ass unfunny meme that you've already seen because it's stolen just like every other one of their posts.
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u/mixxxn Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
In case you feel r/outoftheloop, this is @dudewithsign. What started as a pretty original and fun idea, turned into mostly forced relatability, hypocrisy and lots of ads.
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u/Gator-Needs-His-Gat Feb 08 '21
Wait... He gets sponsored because his schtick is to hold a sign up?
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u/LazyCookNxtdoor Feb 08 '21
That “Schtick” includes having +7million users see his posts.
Even an instagrammer with several thousands of users can make a couple hundreds of dollars per post.
Being able to pay off a dude (famous for consistently going viral with their millions of users) several thousands of dollars to hold up a sign during one of the most watched televised events where a single 30second ads cost millions, of course his kind are gonna get money thrown at them lol
Hell, Budlight probably had his SB ticket and travel cost as a tax deductible business expenditure.
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u/SammySquareNuts Feb 08 '21
Bud light definitely paid extra for it on top of paying this dude to be there. The broadcast cut to him for ~10 seconds right after the BL ad and Jim Nantz read a prepared statement about him and the sponsor.
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u/Gator-Needs-His-Gat Feb 08 '21
God bless America!
Where having a gimmick can be monetized and is the dream of millions of would be influencers. #blessedlife
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
In my 1st year in college, a professor was doing the 'get to know everyone' shtick, and asked what we wanted to do with our careers.
One girl said she was going to be an "influencer", and maybe I just have a 'boomer soul, but I just mentally vomited on the spot.
Everything about influencers, and people who pay attention to them (I honestly could not name one) just really irks me.
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u/Loopbot75 Feb 08 '21
Millennial here and I agree. It's one thing to want to start up a blog or insta, and I won't even complain about getting sponsored to cash in on building a good amount of followers, but to aim for making a career out of it is dangerously vapid.
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u/WasteCupcake Feb 08 '21
Aren’t millennials like 40 now? Seems like most of us wouldn’t get it.
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u/ExtraTallBoy Feb 08 '21
Aren’t millennials like 40 now?
The very oldest ones are just turning 40.
From wikipedia:
1981 to 1996 being a widely-accepted defining range for the generation.
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u/Turbulent_Salary1698 Feb 08 '21
In the end, an influencer is basically the same as any star, but a focus on selling their personality.
The same core concept applies, have people like you for some reason, and become a spokesperson from that.
With new social media technology, it's easier for people to become a star based on personality, and those stars are often even better from a marketing perspective too. And of course, like with everything, having good looks doesn't hurt either.
In the end, I guess people can complain about how "money hungry" people are, but that's a tale as old as time. It's not like pop stars from yesteryear weren't cashing in.
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u/Neuchacho Feb 08 '21
I feel the same way about people who say "I want to be an influencer" as I do people who say "I want to be rich and famous".
It's a vapid goal and rarely has any thought put into how to attain it by the person proclaiming it.
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
He gets sponsored because he has 7.4M followers, an average of like a million likes and thousands of comments on each of his posts.
... for holding a sign up.
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u/unique_username91 Feb 08 '21
Welcome to late stage capitalism where everything is commodified and the points don’t matter
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u/digizeds Feb 08 '21
iirc dudewithsign is part of fuckJerry https://instagram.com/fuckjerry?igshid=1oe5m2g0hguha. an ad company
more info : https://youtu.be/fVtQKC2NK84
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u/JustHereForPorn12345 Feb 08 '21
'if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything', says the man that pretends to care about the health of others, and use his influence to convince people to stay home during this pandemic... Only to sell out for a sponsorship.
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u/detrydis Feb 08 '21
This fuckin idiot was out during the HEIGHT of the pandemic in the streets of SOHO, REFUSING to wear a mask while holding his stupid signs. Then suddenly he gets wind of a deal so he stays home? Fuck this guy
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u/Garofoli Feb 08 '21
Really bothers me that he held all the above signs without a mask on - it's the opposite of what his sign is speaking to
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u/AustinTreeLover Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
Can we talk about the nice weather thing?
A lot of folks are suffering from depression and other very real health issues compounded by forced isolation.
We should be able to enjoy good weather while still practicing social distancing.
And in fact, we should be encouraging it.
A better sign would be: Put on a mask. Put on pants. Go outside. Stay a safe distance from others. Enjoy the nice weather!
Edit: Pants optional. Masks are not.
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u/derekakessler Feb 08 '21
Don't you tell me to put on pants! The audacity of some people.
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u/AustinTreeLover Feb 08 '21
Hahaha Personally, I need the reminder. If pants aren’t for you, kindly disregard!
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u/marshblarth Feb 08 '21
The problem is people hear what they want to hear. “Go outside and enjoy the weather” is probably all they’ll get from that.
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u/AustinTreeLover Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
TBC: I’m in favor of shutting down all sporting events (yeah, I sed it!), concerts, festivals, etc. Anything that encourages folks to congregate.
But, we don’t all have the same experience. And no one where I live, surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of green space and beaches, should commit suicide bc they’re cooped up.
Ticket folks who congregate, but continue to encourage folks to be outside practicing social distancing.
Bc it’s life or death for some folks either way.
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u/sonofaresiii Feb 08 '21
You can
It was always within guidelines to enjoy nice weather, just do so responsibly. I think there may have been like a week or two where they said "don't go outside at all except when you absolutely have to" but then they clarified that getting outside a little bit, responsibly, was all right.
The problem is people wouldn't be responsible. They'd crowd beaches and parks and stuff without distancing and no masks.
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u/JulioCesarSalad Feb 08 '21
After all the protests last year there was no evidence of mask+outdoors being a big COVID risk
If the weather is nice go outside! You don’t need to be stuck in your apartment for the whole year
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u/Flynn_22 Feb 08 '21
This guy’s hypocrisy aside, it blows my mind that filling a stadium with that amount of people is even allowed in a moment like this. Football (or soccer, however you wanna call it) in Europe has been taking place with no audience for months now, how’s this happening in one of the most terribly affected countries in the world?
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u/asentientgrape Feb 08 '21
Especially considering that the NFL is literally the most lucrative league in the world. 25,000 fans is a drop in the bucket for their profits. It’s nothing but pure greed.
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
It's not the NFL that makes money off of it, they already got paid.
The host city bids to host a superbowl with the expectation that it will bring a surge of people into the city for the week of events.
it's the local businesses and hotels. (who really need the help).
The bidding happened in the before-times (pre-covid).
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u/Sloppysloppyjoe Feb 08 '21
and that's why the state of florida told NFL they would not limit the capacity, so the NFL themselves capped it at 25k. i'm totally agreeing that 25k packed in a stadium at this point in time in america (and florida especially) is absolute insane. but i thought it was more insane that florida would've let them at 110% capacity if the NFL chose to.
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u/HerbertWest Feb 08 '21
I wonder how much each life was worth if you run the numbers.
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u/9throwaway2 Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
OK, why not.
Well seeing at the lots of the people there were vaccinated health care workers with mRNA vaccines, let us say that out of the 25K people there, 17K are either un-vaccinated or part of the 5% without immunity. The other 40K are cardboard cutouts, I assume they aren't carriers/susceptible.
Now of the 17K, let us say 2% get covid (keep in mind this is OUTDOORS and there is quite a bit of space here; this isn't an old-style standing Euro stadium). so 320 cases. The US has a CFR for 2.5%; but that is based on the earlier pandemic, more recent numbers are more like 1%, so that would be ~3 deaths.
The big Q - how many more people do these folks infect/kill. Now this is really hard. But some estimates are more like 3x. So 9 deaths total.
The US government values a life around $6M, they use this number when determining things like environmental laws, consumer safety, etc. So as long as this was worth $54M, it passes a cost benefit analysis.
edit: math/context
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u/ChillyPep519 Feb 08 '21
Ah, but did you see the tailgating outside of the stadium? That is likely going to be the real superpreader event.
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u/Anger_Mgmt_issues Feb 08 '21
this isn't an old-style standing Euro stadium
No, but it is not safe social distancing either. those seats share armrests like a movie theater.
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u/Spuriously- Feb 08 '21
Yeah, and it's outdoors but it's a nearly 4 hour game, longer with trophies, anthems etc, and then there's the crowds when entering/leaving/using the restroom, plus if people did pre-game activities, and so on
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u/M_Drinks Feb 08 '21
FWIW, a good percentage of the attendees were vaccinated healthcare workers.
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u/WhosUrBuddiee Feb 08 '21
Only 7,500 of the 25,000 were healthcare workers or about 30%. Also the remaining 17,500 had no vaccination requirements. The 25,000 is only tickets, doesn’t count the thousands of staff working the game.
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u/bocaciega Feb 08 '21
Yea barely vaccinated. Fucling tampa was crazy this week. NUTS ybor city? Most packed maybe its ever been. 50 cent playing clubs, droves of people roaming and at capacity everything. Literally the most busiest it has ever been. EVER! The entire areas streets are packed with out of town plates.
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u/TheBigPhilbowski Feb 08 '21
It isn't worth shit because it was less than a third of the crowd as announced. Also, who knows what stage of the vaccine they had, and it isn't a magic shot. You can still contract and spread the virus when you're vaccinated, the difference is that YOU are personally less likely to die.
It really is the worst case scenario for America. Bad people are less likely to die and better able to kill others.
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u/Xuval Feb 08 '21
It has not been proven yet that any of the vaccines prevent you from spreading Covid. It has only been proven that they make it less dangerous for you.
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u/Bobbicorn Feb 08 '21
THERE WAS A CROWD AT THE SUPER BOWL???
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u/redjames23 Feb 08 '21
25,000 as far as i know :/
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u/Bobbicorn Feb 08 '21
Y'all are never gonna get out of it, im so sorry jfc
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u/zbipy14z Feb 08 '21
well they made it sound like alot of them had been vaccinated. Which I would hope makes that ok
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u/Saxophobia1275 Feb 08 '21
People here in the states have largely given up trying because they are relying on the vaccine to magically fix everything. With that on the horizon they feel like “eh, it’ll be over soon so why try now” and are coasting.
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u/niudropout Feb 08 '21
This dude is the embodiment of every virtue signaling idiot on the internet.
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u/mrpopenfresh Feb 08 '21
Amazing. Can’t wait to see the contact tracing study they will do about this event.
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u/nbury33 Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about this guy he literally just gets paid for appearances to hold a sign that says anything.
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u/GraveyDeluxe Feb 08 '21
Nice to see the lady behind him not wearing a mask, in a packed stadium, during a pandemic.
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u/RagingtonSteel Feb 08 '21
I unfollowed this tool after he started doing sponsored content. Garbage sellout.
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u/hiplobonoxa Feb 08 '21
i understand that some people are starting to come out of this thing, but we still have a long way to go. this guy and everyone else involved with the super bowl can fuck right off.
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21
What bothers me most about this doesn't have anything to do with covid, moreso the guy has zero talent but yet got rich off of it and can afford the most expensive SB tickets ever only because of dumbshits on social media giving this NTAC their support of nothing.
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u/PartialCred4WrongAns Feb 08 '21
The worst part is imma see this go viral in a week on Twitter as a how it started/how it’s going
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