r/anime_titties Aug 18 '22

Sex between men, not skin contact, is fueling monkeypox, new research suggests Worldwide

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/sex-men-not-skin-contact-fueling-monkeypox-new-research-suggests-rcna43484
99 Upvotes

u/AutoModerator Aug 18 '22

Welcome to r/anime_titties! This subreddit advocates for civil and constructive discussion. Please be courteous to others, and make sure to read the rules. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them.

We have a Discord, feel free to join us!

r/A_Tvideos, r/A_Tmeta, multireddit

... summoning u/coverageanalysisbot ...

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

→ More replies

335

u/OhHiFelicia Aug 18 '22

Wait, didn't we just have a confirmed case in the UK of a pet dog having it?!

341

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22 Silver

Yes. This is misleading and harmful journalism. While it may be the case that the CURRENT caseload is driven by MSM populations, if monkeypox gets branded as such, a) no one will care, and b) it will be much harder to REBRAND once it inevitably moves into other populations with other main transmission vectors, which is already starting to happen.

So, this just makes everyone go, “Monkeypox? Gay STI. Not my concern.” And then take no precautions and get it from shaking their straight, celibate neighbor’s hand.

71

u/Independent-Owl478 Aug 18 '22

The title's very misleading, as far as I'm concerned. I read the article and it says that research suggests monkeypox transmission is driven sexually, and that transmission's happening most frequently in sex between men. It's not incorrect to say msm are driving monkeypox transmission, but it's not the whole story

7

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

Precisely.

6

u/awalktojericho Aug 18 '22

I just heard on our news channel that there is an uptick in children getting it. So really concerning that those shildren are sexually assaulting all those men.

3

u/OpenReplacement7395 Aug 18 '22

Your town may have a different problem then...

30

u/RegisterImpossible44 Aug 18 '22

I'm your straight neighbor. Let's just shake hands and get it all over with, yeah? /s

17

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

This is the most homoerotic thing that’s happened to me all week. 😍

21

u/Parking_Media Aug 18 '22

Agreed. Jorts laid out an excellent explainer.

11

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 18 '22

99% of all cases are in gay men according to the CDC. Stop pretending this impacts everyone equally. The "follow the science" crowd stopped following science the moment it meant having to admit the gay population are far more vulnerable to Monkeypox than a 90 year old asthmatic with CoVID... but you just won't say it because it's not politically correct.

And then take no precautions and get it from shaking their straight, celibate neighbor’s hand.

Bet that won't happen. Someone says that they're obviously lying. Be real already and stop dancing.

3

u/SamuelClemmens Aug 19 '22

Cause and effect error.

Its hyperspreading in one population, meaning this is the ideal time to contain it. Its not spread by gay sex, but because gay sex involves a lot of touching and apparently orgies are a helluva lot more common in the gay population than the population at large.

At some point though someone who was at a gay orgy is going to go to a swingers party, from there it will spread through the swingers households and their families. Once it gets into a kindergarten its going to spread the same as chickenpox once school is back in.

That's my take from that article, that once September rolls around its going to spread like crazy.

2

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 19 '22

99% of cases are gay men still. That's the data. Why are you so desperate to misrepresent it?

-1

u/SamuelClemmens Aug 19 '22

I would ask you that. The data is very clear on method of transmission, in no point does it say its an STD.

The data only says that gay men engage in huge amounts of skin to skin contact compared to the general population.

Did you read the sources with that?

I think you just want it to be a "gay disease" because you are terrified of the very real scenario of it spreading to the general population. This is the same stupidity in early 2020 where people pretended that because 99% of cases were in China or people travelling from China that it wasn't going to be a problem here, that it was a "Chinese Virus" and was somehow tied to the hygiene of their food markets.

2

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

Wow... what a stupid statement. Way to ignore the data to push an agenda. If it does get into the general population we know who brought 99% of it and still held gaint orgies in San Francisco because they were deemed essential. What a joke. I know my own risk factor is zero because what the data shows and know the vector for transmission. Amazing the lengths the same people that yelled 'youre killing grandma' at anyone not wearing a mask a year ago only to pretend gay men aren't the transmission vector for monkeypox... if Monkeypox does get into the general population we'll know who didn't take it seriously in the beginning because they where more concerned about optics.

Forget follow the science, just follow the DNC talking points and you'll see reality get forced into those boxes

2

u/SamuelClemmens Aug 19 '22

The data is being really clear that once kids go back to school its likely to rip through them.

Kids of gay parents have caught it, but outside of school kids don't typically interact with other kids these days so it doesn't spread and is easily stamped out.

Once kids are back to school fighting and rough housing its going to spread just like chickenpox.

There is a limited window, that you think this is a political issue is part of the problem.

You acknowledge its currently limited to one group, but your plan is not to fight it and solve it.. its to pretend it can't leave that group and hurt your family so you can act surprised later when it is?

The whole idea that any virus only targets gay people is absurd. AIDS used to primarily infect the gay community and no one did squat to stop it until suddenly its in the general population and kids are dying from blood transfusions after surgery.

6

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 19 '22

You won't even acknowledge 99% of cases are in gay men. People like you afraid of uncomfortable truths damn sure won't prevent it from jumping to the general population... kids are still being forced to mask for COVID here, but God forbit we cancel a gay pride sex event in SF over monkeypox.

2

u/SamuelClemmens Aug 19 '22

What the fuck are you on about? I am very clear that it is currently mostly spreading among the gay community. That is my point.

They have the most interpersonal contact and right now in covid there isn't much else that compares to the amount of skin on skin contact as the gay subculture. Once school starts its going to run roughshod through the school system though.

Please read that and instead of saying talking points that don't fit, think your own thoughts and respond to that. Don't add in stuff you think I might believe to make this some fucked up culture war tug of war.

→ More replies

1

u/Oatcake47 Scotland Aug 19 '22

It actually has a hire fatality rate than COVID, just not many grandads in orgies I guess.

0

u/JarJarBink42066 Aug 19 '22

Monkeypox can spread through contact though. https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/transmission.html This isn’t just a “gay issue”

2

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 19 '22

Look at the data instead of politically correct statements

1

u/JarJarBink42066 Aug 19 '22

That’s literally the cdc

1

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 19 '22

Apparently you don't know what data are...

-4

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

9

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 18 '22

Please read more. More science, more history.

Lol, so you link some tabliod rag like USA Today. I was citing the CDC. Learn some basic statistics before making another attempt to sound intelligent

0

u/SimWebb Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

You are the worst kind of stupid. If you don’t like the message, attack the source, right? This article is mostly quotes from a Harvard-trained doctor who works at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Get your strong personal feelings out of the way of the facts.

Caused by a virus in the same family as smallpox, monkeypox is transmissible through person-to-person contact with rashes, scabs or bodily fluids, touching infected items like clothing as well as contact with respiratory secretions. Symptoms, which can begin to appear seven to 14 days after exposure, include fever, muscle aches, exhaustion and a rash that can appear on the body.

And while the majority of cases reported have been with men who have sex with men, anyone can get monkeypox.

That's why experts say it's a problem to call monkeypox an STI. Not only because it's inaccurate and misinformation could worsen the spread, but because it can perpetuate stigma against marginalized communities.

Mistakes prove costly, again:After repeating COVID missteps, US now has the world’s biggest monkeypox outbreak

Monkeypox is not an STI. Why you shouldn't call it one.

Dr. Stella Safo, an HIV primary care physician and founder of Just Equity For Health, says it matters greatly that we get transmission messaging correct in relation to monkeypox. If it's framed as an STI when it's not, the general public may:

•Think they're at lower risk when they might not be.

•Won't know how to prevent themselves from getting sick.

•Won't know if or when to get help if they start showing symptoms.

"Many people (may) think, 'Well, I'm not having sex. I'm not a gay man. So I'm good no matter what.' When in reality, monkeypox is a contact-based disease."

What doesn't help, Safo adds, are public officials who aren't "super clear" in their framing, especially with the history of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. At that time, hundreds of thousands died from a virus that seemed to target certain communities though no one was immune – all worsened by a lack of action to help stop the spread. Despite progress in medicines and awareness around HIV today, the disease continues to more severely afflict gay and bisexual men who are Latino and Black.

Addressing myths about monkeypox:A look at symptoms, treatment and other common questions

"When public health bodies are saying we're seeing men who have sex with men have monkeypox at a higher rate, people are hearing this as, 'Oh, this is a gay disease' or 'This is another sexually transmitted disease.' It's getting conflated in people's minds."

Even if public health bodies are not calling monkeypox an STI or "gay man disease," people may make assumptions that could lead to more infections.

"There needs to be a really heavy-handed effort to make it very clear that while this group is affected more right now, we anticipate as this unfortunate virus becomes more prevalent in the community, that other groups will be impacted because of the way it spreads," she says, adding this messaging is important to help inform and therefore reduce panic.

2

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 19 '22

Apparently data is meaningless to you and would rather some politically correct coddling. Maybe if they would have stopped pretending monkeypox affected everyone equally they could have stopped it... but no, can't cancel those big gay pride event, or even gay orgies because it'd be insensitive or whatever. Amazing how much the 'follow the sceince' people don't follow the science but follow political narratives.

-1

u/SimWebb Aug 19 '22

When it comes to public messaging, science is more than just data. Scientists must also consider knock-on effects like the public’s reaction, stigma, misleading or changing correlations, etc. Because, as you continue to exemplify, people can be stupid and bigoted. If this headline had read: “For now, sex between men, not skin contact, is fueling monkeypox, new research suggests- but that is likely to change” I would not be complaining.

1

u/novacancy8o8 United States Aug 19 '22

I can tell you don't have a degree in a science discipline after that statement... how embarrassingly misled. No, scientists don't consider public messaging, if they do they're not being scientists, they're propagandists.

99% of all monkeypox cases are actively gay men. That isn't just by accident or some loose correlation. But, go on, keep embarrassing yourself

8

u/SomeToxicRivenMain Aug 18 '22

This isn’t misleading. It’s not harmful either. It never says it’s only infecting gay men nor does it say it’s an STI.

32

u/beardedbast3rd Aug 18 '22

Right, to those of us with functional comprehension capabilities, it doesn’t mislead. But for the very, very large amount of people who have absolute dogshit comprehension, what do you think they read when they see “fueling”

It’s not like this is new either which is the problem. The people pushing these stories know exactly what happens when they aren’t explicit.

2

u/aznoone Aug 18 '22

Yep not misleading unless done for a target market usually politically slanted . /s

-9

u/Beneficial_Course Aug 18 '22

So the whole world, except the crazy-part of young Americans

1

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

Old Americans, actually... Who am I kidding, most Americans.

But no, actually this article will be cited by many groups or individuals around the world who want to find fault with gay people. It’s not stupidity that’s the main disease vector for misinformation, it’s those with an agenda of hatred and bias.

4

u/chilll_vibe Aug 18 '22

I'm a straight guy but I'm a afraid that I might get it if it ever becomes transmissable in other ways and I won't be able to convince my parents I'm not gay because they'll absolutely never stop believing this

1

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

Yup. It’s a thing. Sorry about your folks.

3

u/Living-Question-4481 Multinational Aug 18 '22

So, this just makes everyone go, “Monkeypox? Gay STI. Not my concern.” And then take no precautions and get it from shaking their straight, celibate neighbor’s hand.

I am currently having this issue in a thread in the other news sub.

4

u/this-guy1979 Aug 18 '22

It will be interesting to see how the narrative changes once a politician gets it. I hope it’s Lindsey Graham, because everyone will be like “well…”

0

u/lufan132 Aug 19 '22

He's too busy trying to prove they're having a lowtown broil in Russia because they stole his secret family recipe for shrimp and grits.

I hear the secret ingredient is hate.

2

u/Demonicplaydoh Aug 18 '22

Too late dude. Boys are already using it to imply homosexuality

-2

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

Ugh. Of course.

1

u/AAVale Aug 18 '22

I have to ask, did you read the article or just the headline, because your post suggests that it's the latter.

5

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

I’m specifically complaining about their choice of headline.

0

u/AAVale Aug 19 '22

That has to be peak social media, don't read the article, write two paragraphs complaining about a headline.

I guess you know your audience.

1

u/SimWebb Aug 19 '22

Jesus. Look man, I DID read the article. But I’m SPECIFICALLY criticizing the way the headline was written. Are you always an obnoxious, presumptuous pedant?

1

u/GI_X_JACK United States Aug 20 '22

Or we can you know, not just not repeat the AIDS crisis where it was gay male STD at first.

-1

u/el-Kiriel United States Aug 18 '22

Except their straight, celibate neighbor is extremely unlikely to have it if he is in fact, either straight or celibate. That's kinda the whole point.

2

u/SimWebb Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

...FOR NOW.

THAT’S the whole point, and you missed it

-1

u/el-Kiriel United States Aug 19 '22

Nope, I didn't. I also didn't miss the agenda you are hard pushing.

1

u/SimWebb Aug 19 '22

Oh yeah? Pray tell, what agenda is that? 🙄

1

u/el-Kiriel United States Aug 19 '22

You are actively pushing against monkey pox being linked to bi and homosexual males. Unfortunately for you, it is effectively feat accompli. As it should be, given dominant disease spread vectors and the famed 98% statistics.

2

u/SimWebb Aug 19 '22

That’s spelled “fait accompli.”

So, do you believe that monkeypox will remain contained within the MSM community, and that sexual contract will remain the vector of transmission?

1

u/el-Kiriel United States Aug 19 '22

I believe that if those communities were a bit less promiscuous, we wouldn't be having this issues. And that a cultural change is in order.

(And yeah, my phone keeps autocorrecting it to feat. I gave up)

1

u/SimWebb Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22

I think your own agenda is much balder than mine. I want the messaging around monkeypox to accurately represent, and anticipate, the transmission dangers and vectors. You want to make monkeypox about your own personal moral crusade to shame promiscuous gay men. Do you understand why I have an issue with you and your bullshit?

→ More replies

-15

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

So, this just makes everyone go, “Monkeypox? Gay STI. Not my concern.”

And why exactly do u think it will make people go like that? Many people saw COVID as the old people disease, didn't stop us from vaccinating even kids.

We need to have clear and exact knowledge on what is going on, that's how we effectively resolve anything. So unless the info in the article is wrong, then at most the article has an issue of a click bait headline.

25

u/MyScorpion42 Aug 18 '22

we have a lot of data from the 80's that suggests that's how people would react

-11

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Ah, yes. 40 years of progressively leftward social change amounts to nothing.

The legalization of gay marriage in every Western country and even conservative politicians being for gay marriage in Western Europe, the Anglosphere, much of the Hispano-sphere and the blue states in the USA amounts to nothing.

Ridiculous to think with how infamous and well known the reaction to the aids epidemic was that u think people will still react the same way.

18

u/RubixKuber Europe Aug 18 '22

Mate have you not listened to any right wing political propaganda in the last 6 years as it’s slowly slid the mask back from pretending to care about minorities and womens rights?

They will victimise whoever they feel emboldened to. It is ALL about creating an “other” to hate.

-8

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

I mean, the main news I have been listening to has been saying right wingers don't care about womens rights or minorities right and may want to assimilate the other completely so I don't expect anything else.

However, right wingers in Britain, France, Spain etc(well, unless u want to call their current running parties leftist) are all for gay marriage. The literal only people against it in those countries are called far right and even then only some of them.

Stop acting like we're half a century in the past, literally over 30% of youth are LGBTQ+ today. If people can care about issues affecting minorities of less than 20% to protest for close half a year, they'll certainly care about issues affecting 10% to 40% of the population.

10

u/RubixKuber Europe Aug 18 '22

As if the Eastern European right haven’t been doing the same thing as the US right and Western Europe is immune to the same?

The right will consistently do whatever it can get away with. They rely on the left’s complacency.

We aren’t half a century in the past but without any pushback from the left that’s where we have potential to end up.

1

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

There is no international right coalition so it would be ridiculous to think that news largely circulating in the West would have some huge impact in Eastern Europe or the near East, if it did, Saudi Arabia wouldn't have been banning rainbow toys.

but without any pushback from the left

And since when has there been no pushback by the left? Especially when it comes to more cultural stuff?.

And where in my argument did I advocate for a lack of pushback by the Left? Saying there's nothing wrong in this headline is far from saying there should be no leftist pushback against prejudice.

7

u/RubixKuber Europe Aug 18 '22

I feel like you’re misunderstanding my point. (Though there definitely are global outlets for conservative propaganda like RT and the Murdoch press, albeit with sometimes differently aligned end goals).

I never said there was a global coalition. The natural progression of conservatism is towards “traditional family values”.

In the West this is largely based around the nuclear family era, banding people together against “the other”. Tell me there isn’t any hint of this in Western European conservatism and I’ll know you’re simply not paying attention.

It’s not AS strong in France, Belgium, The Netherlands or Germany to name a few countries - but it’s there waiting for regression. Name a place in the West where minorities weren’t persecuted or discriminated openly against in the mid-to-late 1900s.

→ More replies

0

u/leathercock Aug 18 '22

The right will do whatever it can get away with and the left gets away with lying about a pandemic so nobody would blame the gays. Oh yeah, I forgot I'm on reddit...

2

u/RubixKuber Europe Aug 18 '22

Steven Crowder isn’t gonna suck your dick bro, chill.

→ More replies

7

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

Ridiculous to think with how infamous and well known the reaction to the aids epidemic was that u think people will still react the same way.

I truly wish I shared your optimism about the general public. We’ll see if you turn out to be correct. I strongly suspect you will not.

8

u/Skwinia Aug 18 '22

"youve got gay marriage! homophobia doesnt exist anymore!"

4

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

There's a huge difference between homophobia existing and it being the driving cultural force or it being the driving idea in this slowly growing pandemic.

Saying that the Monkey pox cases have been disproportionately driven by sexual transmission will case homophobia is even more ridiculous than saying lockdowns and Quarantines during COVID will cause Fascism.

3

u/Skwinia Aug 18 '22

there was a massive spike in hate crimes against asian people due to covid...

2

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Hate Crimes against Chinese people has been going on since before COVID.

It's actually a big thing in Chinese media and was propagandized by the CCP to show how bad the USA was.

5

u/Skwinia Aug 18 '22

yes but i specifically said that there was a spike. meaning it went up.

0

u/Brightbane Aug 18 '22

Saying that the Monkey pox cases have been disproportionately driven by sexual transmission will case homophobia is even more ridiculous

Oh look, it's already happening:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/gay-couple-attacked-on-d-c-street-by-suspects-who-mentioned-monkeypox-as-slur-145859141728

1

u/MyScorpion42 Aug 18 '22

There was also that twitter thread of a doctor asking people on a train in Madrid if they were worried for their health since they were sharing the train with a passenger who seemed to have monkeypox (he was later revealed to not actually have monkeypox), and the passengers responded exactly that they weren't at risk because only gays got it, with one guy even saying "I'm not going to fuck you" when pressed on the issue.

That to me at least points to a risk of those kinds of sentiments becoming widespread once again

3

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Well, they might be being crude about it but Monkey pox isn't the most transmittable disease.

In the case of a dog catching it it was speculated it would have taken ours of skin to fur contact, like it sleeping on the leg of an infected.

Don't make skin contact with strangers and cover it mouth and nose if they sneeze should work pretty well.

59

u/UsualDeparture1933 Aug 18 '22

🤨

43

u/postblitz Aug 18 '22

THEY FUCKED THE DOG

Immediately comes to mind. Quite legal in a few places

They could've just slept next to the dog without clothes.

11

u/spike4379 Australia Aug 18 '22

Ya but what was the peanut butter for then?

7

u/postblitz Aug 18 '22

Nutrition. Damn vegans.

1

u/BrokeMacMountain Aug 19 '22

thats noting. new. The Torys have been "fucking the pooch" for over a decade now. /s

13

u/Schiffsmaedchenjunge Aug 18 '22

And aren't there also cases of children in the US having it?

37

u/Irishinator Aug 18 '22

Fueling doesn't mean only cause of.

19

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Fueling doesn't mean only cause. The disease also passes through skin, mucus and pus contact tho those generally need to take hours of contact to pass.

Still means it could bass between two people sleeping in the same bed or generally living in the same house.

3

u/anongirl_black Aug 18 '22

Oh. Oh sweetie. You and the person you replied to are so innocent.

-24

u/postblitz Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

14

u/itiLuc Aug 18 '22

There's also straight people that do that, also none of those people have monkey pox?

-13

u/postblitz Aug 18 '22

You are now engaging in "whataboutism".

1

u/itiLuc Aug 18 '22

We both are tbh

-4

u/postblitz Aug 18 '22

Nah you chose another viewpoint, i stuck to the gays infecting children angle. You invoked "straight people doing that" as if the two groups can compare on every other account or the monkey pox spread being anywhere near as infections - bad faith whataboutisms all the way.

2

u/SomeToxicRivenMain Aug 18 '22

Man that’s fucked up

12

u/ANDYNUB United States Aug 18 '22

i think it was in France

2

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Why am I not surprised.

11

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Could easily be explained by an infected person having a pet dog and it sleeping in their bed or on their leg.

Edit

Better terminology

2

u/anongirl_black Aug 18 '22

Is that why the dog had sores around its anus?

1

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 19 '22

I don't know

-1

u/SomeToxicRivenMain Aug 18 '22

I don’t think that’s how that works

7

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Prolonged skin contact and prolonged contacted with the puss spreads the disease.

1

u/theblisster Aug 19 '22

i think you mean pus....

6

u/cpops000 Aug 18 '22

Quit fucking your dogs people 🙄

2

u/Lusvit Russia Aug 18 '22

What da dog doin'

3

u/Hyndis United States Aug 18 '22

There have also been cases with little kids getting it, like a toddler with monkeypox.

This kind of "journalism" is causing real, actual harm to people.

Its just the pox, similar to smallpox or cowpox. Transmission routes have been known since the 1700's.

1

u/Shiroi_Kage Asia Aug 18 '22

But it's not the main mode of transmission.

1

u/_Tigerbot_Hesh Aug 19 '22

An HIV positive gay male and his partner, who both have unprotected sex with multiple random men, reported sleeping with their dog.

Odds are they were doing more than just sleeping with the dog.

1

u/GI_X_JACK United States Aug 20 '22

...

There is a dog fucker in the UK.

little more concerning than two men having sex if you ask me...

148

u/member_of_the_order Aug 18 '22

Interesting. The WHO link they included said only that it's more prevalent in networks of men who have sex with men. That's not at all supportive of their claim. Love some good old-fashioned journalistic dishonesty.

Not sure if I'd rather be right and have this be such gross journalistic dishonesty, or wrong and have this disease somehow magically be able to target only men who have sex with men...

62

u/Feed-and-Seed Aug 18 '22

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2207323

I mean this link they included says 98% gay/bi men so..

-19

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

[deleted]

61

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Correlation does not imply causation

Has to be the most abused fallacy behind ad hominem.

Unless u have some actually counter data, the disease spreading between a group defined by their sexuality implies it is spreading through sex.

Also, there is usually another stronger correlation to explain away such instances like the stronger correlation for explaining economic rises by cycles rather than who's president at the time.

So what is the other correlation other than being gay/bi male? The only other I have seen is being white male.

-7

u/EmilyU1F984 Aug 18 '22

Because it‘s not the sexuality that matters, it’s being part of hook up culture. That‘s a tiny portion of gay/bi people.

5

u/Feed-and-Seed Aug 18 '22

Listen, no one gives a fuck that it’s gay people getting it. Idk why you’re all getting so defensive, it’s just a fact. We don’t think you’re any lesser than us or whatever you think, it genuinely does affect gay/bi men the most….

Bending the truth doesn’t benefit anyone.

-17

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

[deleted]

19

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Yes, correlation implies causation, that's the whole reason why we look further into correlations to confirm causation or not and the nature of the relationship between the two correlates.

Of course it by itself doesn't prove causation.

Again, better correlations exist for the example u give, they were also all astronauts and worked in NASA either of this gives better specificity than white man and both of which can be as easily(cost effectively) captured in a survey as race and sex.

And pointing out that Gay or Bi men are those most at risk doesn't somehow say that's the only way it's being transmitted. If people could be both aware of AIDS spread through sex and blood donations, I trust they can be aware of Monkeypox spreading several ways.

Also, Monekypox unlike most skin contact diseases isn't super contagious so I will assume the way they'll act to take care of it would be different from, say, Hephititis or smallpox.

I say the article is still sufficiently correct.

-1

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

[deleted]

7

u/defiantcross Aug 18 '22

"Sex between men, not skin contact" is not sufficiently correct.

this is only in reference to what is FUELING Monkeypox. the headline does not claim MSM is the only cause by any means.

-3

u/Lord-Slayer Aug 18 '22

You can get monkey pox from having close contact with someone with monkey pox. It does not have to be skin to skin contact, it could be from their saliva or any bodily fluids. You could also get it from anything that is touched by someone with monkey pox.

Therefore, your claim that only men having sex with other men getting is not only false but it’s misleading.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/transmission.html

11

u/Ren_tho North America Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

your claim that only men having sex with other men getting is not only false but it’s misleading.

You must have missed the line where they said thats not the only way its being transmitted.

23

u/Feral0_o Europe Aug 18 '22

98% is a really, really strong indicator

I do have absolutely no idea why it so disappropriately affects gay and bi men, but assuming that this stat is correct - 98 in 100 people, come on

7

u/hastingsnikcox Aug 18 '22

Also the two queer men's dance parties patient a and b went to....

3

u/Feed-and-Seed Aug 18 '22

Why did you quote something I didn’t say?

It’s 98% gay/bi men. Get over it and stop obfuscating the facts by getting defensive.

3

u/bnav1969 Aug 19 '22

Essentially the extremely promiscuous gays who constantly fuck at orgies - God forbid we try to limit the gays' rights to have disease spreading orgies.

(and before anyone says anything, most gays are obviously not like this - they're normal. But ultimately a select group are a breeding chamber for this disease that could leak to the general population. We shut down the whole world for covid but can't shut down mega orgies lmao).

-8

u/Alberiman Aug 18 '22

Gay men are also more likely to get regular medical checkups and be tested for stds and this looks a lot like an STD, soooooo

63

u/TheAsurakid Aug 18 '22

have contagious disease that can spread through anonymous sex.

have anonymous sex

get disease

"the health system has failed me!"

7

u/gerrta_hard Aug 18 '22

you, you needed to be higher.

4

u/BrettEskin Aug 18 '22

"Hey chill with the orgys till we figure this out"

"Lol no"

-45

u/Ra1d_danois Denmark Aug 18 '22

It’s human nature to have sex. Abstinence won’t solve this. Besides, who’s right is it to judge and dictate how people have sex?

Lastly, yes, the health system have failed many. We have a vaccine that authorities in many countries have been slow to roll out, especially to the most vulnerable groups.

65

u/Fredriga Aug 18 '22

Abstinence would solve this though, they don't need to stop having sex, just stop having sex with random strangers.

49

u/UntarnishedCopper North America Aug 18 '22

Two weeks of monogamy to flatten the curve.

-39

u/PurrculesAndCatlas Aug 18 '22

Do you know what a pox is?

→ More replies

19

u/bharatar Aug 18 '22

Actually abstinence would work if people did it.

-1

u/bnav1969 Aug 19 '22

Why lockdowns then?

Is shutting normal social interactions in fear of a strong flu more justified than stopping mega orgies for fucking small pox?!

I mean it's not even just sex, it's extreme promiscuity that's literally endangering society. I mean people get furious at open air markets lmao.

42

u/UltraHawk_DnB Aug 18 '22

Ok so now is it spread by skin contact or sex lol. Every other week its the other way around...

56

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

It is spread by prolonged contact with skin, puss or most mucus membranes. Sex generally involves all of those (well, puss if the person is infected and showing symptoms).

4

u/gamergeek Aug 18 '22

There's a one week period where you're contagious and the only symptom is a fever. That's why this shit keeps spreading. Everybody's an asymptomatic carrier for a week.

I'm not real optimistic that this one's ever going to go away again.

1

u/theblisster Aug 19 '22

are you trying to say pus or puss? because, you know, either way

9

u/Shiroi_Kage Asia Aug 18 '22

It was always spread by contact with infected skin. If you ever had sex before, you would know that it involves an insane amount of skin-to-skin contact.

20

u/Guessididntmakeit Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

I'm pretty sure that the first news articles about this suggested it was mainly a problem for homosexual/ bisexual men who are having multiple partners in a short period of time and in Germany these men could get a vaccine for free to stop or at least slow down the number of cases.

They did not explicitly say that heterosexual and active people couldn't get it but that the probability was much lower. This was my last update on the whole situation, coming from a variety of German outlets.

I'm not writing any of this to come up with a "Gotcha!" situation, it's what I remember reading about it on the news and there were also articles discussing if it came off as homophobic saying that those groups have a higher tendency to get infected.

I don't think it should be a problem IF there is a scientific clue that the issue is mainly one for a certain group of the population. It's creating an awareness, helping to keep the number of people infected lower and decreasing the number of patients in hospitals and medical facilities in general. Whatever helps the most affected groups the best should be the way to go.

Edit: Please help me understand why you downvote me for recounting the content of articles I've read and saying its important to keep the people with the highest possibility of an infection (whoever falls into that slate) safe by educating them about the situation and giving them free vaccination.

It was important to let people know that the Corona virus was especially problematic with the elderly and that hygiene and caution around them was more important than with any other group. This was done to keep them safe.

What is your problem?

2

u/Spitinthacoola Aug 18 '22

What is your problem?

The west (and the US especially) has a lot of baggage around labeling things as "gay diseases" because of the shit response to HIV and people are extra vigilant about that happening. Plus, for a disease we already knew about, already had tests for, and already had a vaccine for, we just decided to not do much about it because it's basically only affecting African countries. Then the response was pretty lackluster when it started showing up in the west, but primarily in MSM communities. And now it's starting to bust out of that population too.

Given all that it's hard to tell on the internet if someone is acting in good faith and these days I think most people just assume that a comment that smells shitty is purposefully shitty.

1

u/Guessididntmakeit Aug 18 '22

Guilty until proven innocent, got it.

4

u/Spitinthacoola Aug 18 '22

I don't think you did get it based on that reply.

6

u/Guessididntmakeit Aug 18 '22

Trust me I did understand you but I wasn't around to judge gay people in the 80s ans I'm not doing it now either. I don't like the constant overcompensation for things I could have had nothing to do with and I formulated my response as respectful as possible.

18

u/Shiroi_Kage Asia Aug 18 '22

The way people are treating this information like it's an attack on homosexual men is absolutely bizarre to see. It's almost like people would rather the highest-risk population NOT be informed that they are the highest-risk population.

-3

u/Iceykitsune2 Aug 18 '22

It's because of what happened with HIV.

13

u/Shiroi_Kage Asia Aug 18 '22

So what? We're going to pretend the highest risk population that's actively spreading the disease because of a specific set of practices doesn't exist until the disease spills over, like what happened with HIV, or are we actually going to address it?

-4

u/Iceykitsune2 Aug 18 '22

It's because articles like this create the first situation.

5

u/Shiroi_Kage Asia Aug 18 '22

What is wrong with this article?

0

u/Iceykitsune2 Aug 18 '22

Read the title.

5

u/Shiroi_Kage Asia Aug 18 '22

It's literally accurate. What's wrong with it?

-1

u/Iceykitsune2 Aug 18 '22

Read it like the average American.

3

u/Shiroi_Kage Asia Aug 18 '22

Oh so it's the fault of Americans for these implied problems, not the fault of headlines like this. Maybe education should be stronger so that straightforward and accurate headlines aren't misinterpreted?

2

u/Iceykitsune2 Aug 18 '22

Part of the responsibility of being a journalist is to not give people false impressions.

→ More replies

14

u/UntarnishedCopper North America Aug 18 '22

We know. Good to catch up.

Excessive promiscuous behavior + riskier sexual activity has a greater chance of spreading disease.

16

u/Busy_Bunch5050 Aug 18 '22

We have known this for like 2 months already

5

u/Iceykitsune2 Aug 18 '22

jfc It's AIDS all over again...

3

u/tupe12 Aug 18 '22

Well I wish the lgbt community the best in trying to overcome the wave of hate they’re going to receive

1

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

10

u/Living-Question-4481 Multinational Aug 18 '22

the alphabet gang

We prefer league of letters, much catchier.

1

u/Connect-Ad2831 Aug 18 '22

This doesn’t mean it’s only sex between men that spreads it, just that in homosexual circles it spreads easily and quickly. The way this is being written they are already setting this up to be the new AIDs or “gay disease” to openly hate gay peoples all over again. It’s pretty foul if you think about how this is going to be propagandized by groups who hate gay people.

1

u/Iced-TeaManiac Aug 18 '22

Meme of the guy removing the calendar page and the one beneath shows 1984

1

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

[deleted]

1

u/MangoFruitHead Aug 18 '22

The thing is…that’s exactly what people think it is. The headline also kinda reinforces that.

1

u/anongirl_black Aug 18 '22

Trust the science.

1

u/No_Strategy148 Aug 18 '22

But when a women sleeps with a horse nothing happens.

-1

u/Guilty_Assignment_25 Aug 18 '22

I'm sure this will go over well and cause zero issues.

-2

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

Explains our "HIV" test that most of the gay men had two weeks ago. It was literally a line up of my Tinder feed in medical for HIV blood draws.

-3

u/Spooning_noodls Aug 18 '22

Ah the AIDS/HIV PROPAGANDA all over again

-5

u/Victor_2501 Aug 18 '22

It's like we never learn from former cases of diseases and instead ignoring it and if not possible anymore we blame some minorities for it, not because the socio-economic circumstances that we put them into but because half of all people need easy answers and are self-centered.

-6

u/Sirmalta Aug 18 '22

Whyyyyy are they saying it like thiiiiis

Do they not understand that 50% of the population is literally fucking brain dead and doesnt understand that illness cant identify sexuality? Like, these people literally think this is a "gay disease".

Stop.

-10

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

69

u/spike4379 Australia Aug 18 '22

I don't agree with any kind of bigotry.

I do believe in being honest when reporting cases, how they're spreading, and the common denominators between them until we arrive at a point where we understand the workings of the virus properly.

-2

u/Blackfire01001 Aug 18 '22

Unfortunately here in the United States bigotry is a goddamn pastime. There are extremists in this country who like two bash gay people. This is just going to add fuel to the fire. They're going to use it as an excuse to start hating people and it fucking sucks cuz you can't stop it.

-28

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

16

u/spike4379 Australia Aug 18 '22

To be fair, if you're worried about the safety of gay men then look to the middle-east where they are executed.

2

u/Exastiken United States Aug 18 '22

Your post/comment has been removed because it violates Rule 4 (Keep it civil).

4.1 To encourage healthy debates the following behaviours are banned

(a) personal attack, name-calling and harassment of any kind,

(b) but especially discrimination based on

age, disability, ethnicity, gender origin, religion, sexual orientation.

4.2 Retaliation as described in 4.1 is also forbidden

18

u/Icke04 Aug 18 '22

I now present to you:

AIDS 2

-1

u/Blackfire01001 Aug 18 '22

God I hope not. They get enough hate already.

8

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Next u'll say that noting that aids is more prevailent in Botswana is because of racism.

But then again, if I'm a bigot I would support the pretense as it would mean not attacking the issue where it's happening.

-4

u/Moistened_Nugget Aug 18 '22

People do this shit all the time. 100 people arrested for gun crimes, and 80 are minorities... Must be racist cops

6

u/ukezi Aug 18 '22

At least here the inflation is worse at the moment.

1

u/Blackfire01001 Aug 18 '22

Yeah I fucking typoed the shit out of that. Reverse it and flip.

1

u/Exastiken United States Aug 18 '22

Your post/comment has been removed because it violates Rule 4 (Keep it civil).

4.1 To encourage healthy debates the following behaviours are banned

(a) personal attack, name-calling and harassment of any kind,

(b) but especially discrimination based on

age, disability, ethnicity, gender origin, religion, sexual orientation.

4.2 Retaliation as described in 4.1 is also forbidden

-8

u/TeddyEvilTeddy Aug 18 '22

Again if we’re not gay why the fuck is this on the international news. Tell them to stop ducking without condoms and everything is ok put this on woke lgbt subreddits ducking weird people you are

9

u/National-Fox-7834 Aug 18 '22

OK that's why this post is dangerous. Condoms DON'T PROTECT FROM IT, IT'S NOT A SEXUAL DISEASE.

-13

u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/Exastiken United States Aug 18 '22

Your post/comment has been removed because it violates Rule 1 (Follow Reddit's sitewide policies).

If you feel this is unfair, please leave a modmail

-18

u/idiodic-genious Aug 18 '22

So it's an STD.

9

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

An STD and other things as well.

-2

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

NO. Please read my other comment above.

6

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

It having multiple modes of spread doesn't change anything.

7

u/SimWebb Aug 18 '22

...unless it has an inaccurate reputation as an STI, and therefore no one takes the appropriate protective measures against all other forms of its transmission, and suddenly what’s called “the gay pox” actually gets spread as the handshake pox. Do you get it yet?

10

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

People can hold more than 1 idea in their minds. People Being aware of the sexual nature of AIDS and Hepititis(however that's spelt) B spread didn't stop people being careful around blood transmissions and sweat transmission respectively. Infact, people were so concented by AIDS spread, a disease advertised as an STI that they refused to eat with the same cutlery as carriers of the disease sometimes.

So history doesn't agree with ur assertion.

-5

u/Blackfire01001 Aug 18 '22

So are childeren. Lol.

-2

u/Blackfire01001 Aug 18 '22

LOL people with no fking sense of humor.

-6

u/Pecuthegreat Aug 18 '22

Based and Anthrophobe pilled.

-2

u/ViviansUsername Aug 18 '22

Misanthrope is already a word