r/baseball • u/Prince_b1127 Baltimore Orioles • 17d ago
[Orioles] Chris Davis has announced his retirement News
https://twitter.com/orioles/status/1425826948727574529?s=211k
u/BucksMissingLeg Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Chris was that dude from 2012-2014 ... he will be remembered for the good times here
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u/isestrex Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
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u/Bobson-_Dugnutt Chicago Cubs 17d ago
Oh my god I remember the beginning of his season that year. I think he had a home run and 4 RBI in each of the first 4 games of the season. I remember because I was getting hosed by him in fantasy
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u/orioles0615 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
He had a solid 2015 to 2016 as well. Hell I would have taken his 2017 for the rest of the contract
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u/bakonydraco Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Chris Davis also beat Alabama in 2013 in one of the most amazing finishes of all time.
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u/jonmuller Chicago Cubs 17d ago
I feel bad for him but I'm happy he doesn't have to deal eith any mental hurdles anymore. Best of luck in retirement
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u/Basic_Bichette Toronto Blue Jays 17d ago
I don't think I've ever been angrier at baseball than when I heard that Chris Davis was forced to change his ADHD medications to satisfy some suit.
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u/futhatsy New York Mets 17d ago
It's sad to think about how many people don't really know the full story and think he just randomly became awful at one point.
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u/avery_crudeman HELLO. I'M THE BALTIMORE ORIOLE! 17d ago edited 17d ago
Well it wasn't random. He just declined steadily. His first year on Vynase was 2015 which was one of the best seasons of his career. Also Davis himself said he preferred Vynase.
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u/RCDuke Seattle Mariners 17d ago
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I now know otherwise but I will admit to being someone who thought Davis just starting sucking and never recovered. Apologies.
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u/morosco Boston Red Sox 17d ago
It's pretty speculative to attribute his sucking to that one thing. Davis himself has disputed any idea that the medication alone was the difference between him being a shitty player and him being a good player.
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u/buShroom Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Having to suddenly struggle more with his ADHD may well have been the straw that broke the camel's back, especially when you consider how a lack of focus would make working on everything else that much harder.
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u/squarerootofapplepie Boston Red Sox 17d ago
My biggest difference between taking my medication and not for baseball was the ability to overcome a bad inning on the mound or a bad game batting and refocus myself and avoid a major hit less streak or disastrous inning. I think that the ability to not just focus but refocus if things start not going your way is one of the biggest benefits I saw when taking my medication.
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u/lionheart4life 17d ago
It wasn't because of the medication. He had some injuries, lost some bat speed, and refused to change his approach, or anything, to suit his abilities.
He couldn't catch up anymore without cutting down his swing, and lost some power to the opposite field. As a result he had to "cheat" by starting his swing a little earlier resulting in a ton of swing and miss and weak contact into the shift. He allegedly refused to work with coaches to change his swing.
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u/DepressedBearsF4n Chicago Cubs 17d ago
Exactly. He's a victim of the policy that forced him to change his medication. It's not like he just fell off out of nowhere.
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u/ScaldingHotSoup Los Angeles Angels 17d ago
Also the shift. That hurt him more than almost any other player
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u/The_Polo_Grounds New York Giants 17d ago
And old player skills in general. Low BA, high K, first guys almost never age well.
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u/trophy9258 Philadelphia Phillies 17d ago
It still is somewhat intriguing just how poorly he aged right alongside the league wide shift into TTO ball
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u/ggggtotalwarrior New York Yankees 17d ago
Mark Teixeira did it too. Went from a .300 hitter to a low-mid .200s hitter
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u/Aarondirtysanchez 17d ago
This IMO is the the real answer. The shift basically ruined this guys career. Once the power numbers went down it was just apparent he was a very one dimensional player too.
A lot of the hate this guy got is just from the fact the orioles signed him to a mega deal he never should’ve got.
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u/FreddyDemuth 17d ago
Except CD himself doesn’t really think his medication was the issue:
“I understand that was a mistake I may never stop paying for in the eyes of some people, not going through the steps to get reapproved for those couple of years,” he said. “I understand that. But the medication that I take doesn’t make me a great baseball player. The entire reason I started taking this was because life away from baseball was just kind of spiraling out of control and I had never really explored any avenues as far as being diagnosed.
“There was some pretty good certainty in a few of my school teachers when I was younger that I had ADHD, just because, I mean, I’m the poster child for it. But my whole life I had been able to go out and play baseball with no problem because it was almost like an escape. It was almost place where I felt so in my skin that I didn’t have to worry about forgetting to do something earlier that day. So, the medication gets in my opinion a little too much power in some people’s eyes. And yeah, it’s the same thing I’ve been taking for years. It’s the same thing, it’s made by the same guy. It’s just under a different name.
“I’ve had success years I didn’t take anything, I’ve had success years I was on medication. That’s an easy fix to me if that was the case. If I thought that was the reason I was struggling, I’d do whatever I could to not have to worry about it. I just think that’s too much of an easy fix.”
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u/futhatsy New York Mets 17d ago
You'd have to think that if he played in a larger market or on a more competitive team, it'd be a bigger part of the story. But instead, it was too easy for the world to make Davis the face of the Orioles freefall in the second half of the decade.
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u/ManfredsJuicedBalls Major League Baseball 17d ago
If he played in a larger market, he’d have been eviscerated by the media. Imagine him playing for the Yankees when his performances started slipping, and the Daily News and Post having their way with him about it in the sports section.
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u/theJiveMaster New York Mets 17d ago
Honestly I feel like he WAS eviscerated by the media. And if he was on a large market team he'd also get eviscerated at first, but I agree that I think the medication news would have been more widely spread to the point where Mike Francesa would be like "Chris Davis freakin sucks now!" and he'd get 30 calls from people saying "He got forced to stop taking his medication that he needs, you fucking asshole".
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u/futhatsy New York Mets 17d ago
It would probably be a good combination of both. There would certainly be a good amount of people tearing him apart for playing poorly, but if Yankees fans realized there was a reason for his poor play and it's actually MLB's fault, I think that is where a lot of them would turn their anger.
I think it comes down to the question of who do Yankees fans like to boo more, their own players or the commissioner's office?
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u/JakeFromSkateFarm Oakland Athletics 17d ago
The more realistic scenario is that the same media would first eviscerate him to make their ratings and money off publicly humiliating and crucifying him, and then once that stopped working, they'd 180 and run the heartstrings-pulling tragic take to once again make their ratings and money off publicly using him to sound concerned about mental health and that they (the media) are the champions of truth and defending the little guy (Davis) from the real bad guys.
I fucking hate how much the media in general, sports media in particular, use this same damn tactic again and again to continue profiting off the people they victimized/exploited in the first place.
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u/Peechez Toronto Blue Jays 17d ago
He was forced to change but iirc there was also some fault in his camp. The medication he had was banned but he was grandfathered in. He (or his trainer or whoever) let the prescription lapse and he lost his grandfathered status
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u/jt7king 17d ago
Yup, makes a ton of sense for MLB to do that too. If there's one thing people with ADHD are known for, it's being on top of deadlines.
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u/at1445 Texas Rangers 17d ago
If there's one thing people with millions upon millions are known for, it's paying someone to make sure they don't miss deadlines.
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u/dodoaddict Oakland Athletics 17d ago
I mean, the full story is also that ADHD diagnosis are notoriously fuzzy and the MLB has a percentage of players WAYYYY about the general population who have exemptions for taking ADHD medications. Also, these medications clearly give a performance enhancing benefit like other amphetamines. Where Chris Davis fits into all this, gets tricky. Did the medication get him "even" to those without ADHD would be? Did he gain an advantage? IMO, it's not so simple to say that either "he sucked because he lost access to medically required drugs" nor "he was only good when he had the advantage of taking adderall"
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u/jdbolick Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Yeah, I have no idea where this narrative is coming from but it is nonsense. Chris Davis only had three seasons in his career with 2+ WAR. He was terrible before he got to Baltimore and it was extremely predictable that he would become terrible again after that contract, as many people including Orioles fans called it a mistake from the moment it was signed.
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u/WhatAboutGarbage Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
As someone with ADHD, I can’t imagine how hard it would have been to compete without something that makes you normal.
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u/squarerootofapplepie Boston Red Sox 17d ago
He actually has ADHD and he got suspended for taking amphetamines?
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u/RIFofBDL Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Yep. Had an exemption and everything, I think Miguel Tejada got fucked over also.
At least Davis saved a guy’s life while he was suspended, so some good came out of it
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u/TheOneTrueChuck Cleveland Indians 17d ago
Tejada got busted for steroids though, IIRC.
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u/HoraceBenbow New York Yankees 17d ago
At least Davis saved a guy’s life while he was suspended,
Never heard this. What happened?
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u/GeologicalOpera Anaheim Angels 17d ago
You can see the write up here.
The TL;DR is that Davis was the first person to come upon an overturned truck where one of the occupants was pinned underneath. He flagged down other motorists to help free that person, at which point he went to check on the second victim (who was ejected from the truck) until EMTs arrived.
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u/Prince_b1127 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Yea. I would be as frustrated with him as everyone else but for people say he fell off without explanation is wrong
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u/squarerootofapplepie Boston Red Sox 17d ago
I’m glad the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association didn’t drug test me when I was playing baseball in high school if people can get suspended for taking prescribed medication for their mental health in the MLB.
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u/WhatAboutGarbage Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
He was allowed to take it but I think the story was that his prescription lapsed, then tested positive and he wasn’t allowed to take it anymore, something crazy like that.
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u/squarerootofapplepie Boston Red Sox 17d ago
That doesn’t make sense, if he has an ADHD test on file it shouldn’t matter whether he’s taking them or not, he should have a permanent pass.
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u/jackhole91 New York Yankees 17d ago
Davis himself said he said a therapeutic-use exemption in the past but didn't have one the year he got suspended (2014) https://www.mlb.com/news/orioles-chris-davis-suspended-25-games-for-amphetamines/c-94335720
Then the next year he got an exemption for a different medication https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-spring-training-0228-20150227-story.html
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u/WhatAboutGarbage Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Looking into it more, it looks like the reason why he couldn’t get the exemption for 2014 is still unknown, but he was basically forced to switch to Vyvanse after he couldn’t get the exemption for instant adderall.
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u/xixbia Netherlands 17d ago
Honestly, beyond anything else, that's medically irresponsible.
Even ignoring the fact that changing medication might change the effectiveness, considering the possibilities of side effects, forcing someone who is using medication that works for them without serious side effects is just absurd.
I'm currently taking Dexamphetamine (which is one of the components of Adderall) because when I used Methylphenidate (or Ritalin) I couldn't take an effective dose because it led to increased stress levels.
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u/HendogHendog Minnesota Twins 17d ago
Even crazier as someone who’s been on Ritalin and felt like an absolute soulless piece of shit, and felt like a normal person on adderall, I totally understand how something like that could absolutely fuck you up. All of the meds are similar on paper, but can affect people extremely differently
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u/Fellatination Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
I loved his peak. I hated his downfall. I stayed for the memes. I've always liked the man behind the player.
I wish him and his millions the best in retirement.
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u/PurpleBullets Boston Red Sox 17d ago
Coming from the enemy, I never disliked Chris Davis. Mostly I just felt bad for him. I was always rooting for him to get his groove back, even if it had to be at our expense, like when he broke that long hitless streak.
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u/whaleball7 Philadelphia Phillies 17d ago
I did not expect this
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u/TigerBasket Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
I hope he isn't leaving money on the table, not like we're gonna spend any of it if he doesn't get it
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u/MrJ429 Chicago Cubs 17d ago
Per the Atlantic, the Orioles will pay his remainder 2021 salary and his 2022 salary will be deferred: 3.5mil from 2023-2032 and then 1.5 mil through 2037.
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u/whaleball7 Philadelphia Phillies 17d ago
Can’t wait for Chris Davis day in 15 years
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u/PrinceOfPasta Toronto Blue Jays 17d ago
Was 2022 the last year of his contract?
If so that seems like a win-win really. Davis gets out with some dignity and the O’s shift some significant payroll.
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u/austinhannah Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
I love all the 2012-2016 Orioles and Chris Davis is no exception. Thanks for the memories.
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u/rdavis45 Boston Red Sox 17d ago
It was a scary sight when this guy stepped in the box against us in his prime. Good luck in retirement Chris!
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u/RIFofBDL Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Or on the mound
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u/inhale-my-dong Chicago Cubs 17d ago
Somewhere out there is an alternative universe where Crush Davis reinvents himself as a high-leverage relief pitcher and brings new life to his career.
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u/DoseofDhillon Toronto Blue Jays 17d ago
There was a series against the jays where he was just fucking god it was just so dumb. Every pitcher from Estrada down to Buehrle, who Buehrle had the most perfect down and away fast ball that painted the corner on him, he just destroyed it. People remember his lows, they were really low lows, but during his short peak dear god he felt unstoppable
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u/ELEMENTALITYNES Toronto Blue Jays 17d ago edited 17d ago
The man was a freak of nature, I used to watch highlights of him just because of how entertaining he was at the plate. I remember him getting HBP and breaking the bat on the ground, and it literally terrified the shit out of the pitcher and catcher
E: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmRkLwAzHc
Look at the catcher, he wants to protect his pitcher but he’s also hiding a bit behind the umpire not sure where to go, and the pitcher apologizing while he’s on base
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u/JorSimpson45 Los Angeles Dodgers 17d ago
his 2013 when he was going back and forth with miggy is one of the most insane years i can remember
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u/ZodiacKiller1968 17d ago
That was eight seasons ago, time flies. 2013, Davis was still a dangerous hitter, Matt Harvey was still good, Jose Fernandez was dominating hitters as a rookie, Trout was still young and just continuing his dominance as a player, Felix was still good, etc. Great times!
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u/JorSimpson45 Los Angeles Dodgers 17d ago
puig’s call up and the insane regular season run the dodgers went on is a personal highlight
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u/JamesWithaG Houston Astros 17d ago
I wonder if seeing Matt Harvey get his swagger back recently (sorry if I'm baiting the baseball gods here) has anything to do with his retirement. Sure, there are much bigger factors at play. But they were in a similar place in their career arcs. Near-superstars long unable to taste their former greatness.
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u/Luchador-Malrico Los Angeles Dodgers 17d ago
That time when the Orioles, Tigers, and Pirates were among the best teams in MLB.
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u/Typical-Sauce Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Happy trails Chris! It didn't end the way we all wanted, but he was one of the most exciting players here during our playoff years. Hope retirement is great for him
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u/RIFofBDL Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
I could watch him hit opposite field homers all day
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u/YoYoMoMa Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
He would hit what looked like shallow pop ups and then they would just...fly away.
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u/RIFofBDL Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Didn’t even look like he was putting an effort into his swing either
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u/Catullus13 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Class act. Love me some Chris Davis.
This game is hard and he was on top of the world for awhile.
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u/hdjunkie Boston Red Sox 17d ago
I was at Fenway when he broke his 0-50 streak...even the Sox fans cheered for him lol
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u/AngryBird-svar Boston Red Sox 17d ago
I watched that game and I knew he’d break the streak against us
NGL but the picture of him just staring blankly in the distance while getting a pitch is the funniest image I’ve seen in baseball
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u/reddit_beer_map Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Lots of emotions. I'm very glad for the good times, sad it ended like this, happy that he is moving on, hope he stays strong. Good luck in whatever comes next.
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u/YoYoMoMa Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
The thing is, I have seen tons of Oriole players suck. I have never seen an Oriole crush balls like he did for a few years. Wish him the best.
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u/coffeeMcbean Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
That's where I'm at too. I grew up in an era where we had Tejada for a short period but other than that we didn't have anything of note. As a kid it was tough to stay invested in a team that was bad year after year. And then Crush came along and lead the way to hope in the Buck era. He was one of the major reasons I got back into baseball, and for that, I thank him.
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u/BirdlandMan Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
The disrespect to Melvin Mora and Brian Roberts.
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u/nonsufficientfunds Toronto Blue Jays 17d ago
I used to fear the 1-2 punch of him and Adam Jones at Rogers Center more than anyone else. They killed us
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u/NevermoreSEA Seattle Mariners 17d ago
This is definitely a bit surprising, but I guess it makes sense given his struggles past few seasons. He certainly had a good run during the early to mid 2010s though.
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u/orioles0615 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago edited 17d ago
Its Happening!!!!!
Chris is a good dude though, its a shame he fell apart. I really thought after 2020 spring training for 2 weeks he had figured something out
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u/DoucheyHowserMD Boston Red Sox 17d ago
Forget the HR dominance or the Ace performance
The best Chris Davis moment is him smirking and asking for the ball after breaking his 0-54 drought
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u/cooljammer00 New York Highlanders 17d ago
Ugh, people are gonna be rude about this.
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u/amatom27 Philadelphia Phillies 17d ago
Of course, it's Twitter
Overall, it was a whirlwind of emotions. At the end of the day, I just feel bad for the guy and hope he can forget all of this and live a happy life
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u/cooljammer00 New York Highlanders 17d ago
I like how in his retirement message, he mentioned that he's still going to work with the charities he's been working with.
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u/Prince_b1127 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
He’s done more for our community than almost anyone who’s come through Baltimore. His 5k races were always a ton of fun
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u/amatom27 Philadelphia Phillies 17d ago
Yeah he's always been a classy guy, which I always appreciated. I truly think anyone else wouldn't have been able to handle this the way he did.
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u/Break_these_cuffs Atlanta Braves 17d ago
Of course, it's Twitter
Saying that on reddit of all places is really funny.
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u/ZodiacKiller1968 17d ago
This might be funny but there was at point in time when Davis was battling with Miggy for the Triple Crown for the first few months of the regular season (2013). He had that dream season in 2013 but couldn’t quite get back to that level, although his 2015 season was still pretty good. There goes a potential new member of the 2,000 strikeout club (for hitters).
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u/DJHJR86 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
I know that people have ragged on him for the last 4 years or so, but he was legitimately a good dude involved in a bunch of local charities and causes. And his 2013 season was one of the best individual seasons for an Orioles player. He's definitely an Orioles Hall of Famer.
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u/notchandlerbing Cleveland Indians 17d ago
He literally lifted up a truck at the site of an accident to help rescue an injured victim then just went about his day. Guy is genuinely a great dude
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u/cdbloosh Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
This is absolutely the correct take and any O's fan making negative comments about him right now can get fucked.
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u/Il_Exile_lI Boston Red Sox 17d ago
Chris Davis is one of about 30 guys to hit 50 HR in a season. He's also one of only a handful of guys to have -3 WAR in a season.
He is truly a man of rare accomplishments.
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u/PhotoNate Washington Nationals 17d ago
He struggled as a player, and probably as a person due to the well publicized games MLB played with his legitimate medical condition, but he never struggled as a member of the Baltimore community.
I remember that when he was setting the record for hitless at bats he was still also active in the community and with charity.
For that I will always have a huge amount of respect and love for Chris Davis.
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u/jtrom93 New York Yankees 17d ago edited 17d ago
By far one of the most - if not the most - effortless looking swings of all time. Dude looked like he was lazily waving his bat at the ball and yet those hits would land in the seats. It was rough to watch how low things got for him.
I hope he gets some happiness back in his life. People will say "oh he's making gobs of money, I'd be the happiest guy on Earth to trade places with him". It ain't as emotionally easy as you think getting up in the morning, going on TV (sometimes national TV), and being a failure almost every time. That weighs and wears on you.
Happy retirement, Chris.
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u/Prince_b1127 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago edited 17d ago
Master has given Dobby a sock! Dobby is free! All jokes aside, I’m still grateful for what he did for us in his prime and for the community here
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u/bangarrang16 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Hate the contract, not the man. He was massively involved in charities and did a lot of good work in Baltimore.
He still gets paid but deferring over a few years his last year under contract at least frees up some room for payroll and he was under no obligation to do that.
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u/ForYeWhoArtLiterate Cleveland Indians 17d ago
The last four years Davis has been worth a combined -5.7 bWAR, and has had a negative WAR all four of those years. I do not think we’re ever going to see another contract tank in value quite like his did.
I’m glad he’s retiring because I cannot imagine it’s healthy to show up and try to play through that every day for four years. However I will selfishly miss the experiment of seeing just how bad it could get.
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u/-KeyDirection- Colorado Rockies 17d ago
I’ll miss this guy being in the league. Watching him destroy baseballs in 2013 was super fun, I hope this is the final step for him in breaking down all the mental barriers he faced in the game. Good luck in retirement Chris.
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u/idocrunches Washington Nationals 17d ago
For a while everyone was a Chris Davis fan. How could you not root for him to break out
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u/KidFresh71 17d ago
People are giving Chris Davis shit for not walking away from the game sooner; but the guy left more than $20M on the table by retiring early. My wife would never let me do this! To me, Davis showed a lot of moxie. Maybe I'd feel differently if I was an Orioles fan.
As an outside observer (Giants fan), looks like a good dude who gave a lot back to the community, got massively overpaid, could never live up to that contract but tried his best. And instead of trying to eke every last million out of the deal, left 1.3 years early with some integrity in tact.
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u/normsy New York Highlanders 17d ago
Wow, leaving $21 million on the table from next year, and whatever he's due for the remainder of this year.
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u/normsy New York Highlanders 17d ago
So it's either insurance or not officially retiring, but in all actuality retiring.
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u/2thincoats New York Yankees 17d ago
Yeah I’m assuming it’s a “retirement” that’s basically just a handshake agreement the Orioles can stop pretending to find a roster spot for him and he can stop rehabbing. He has every right to force them to pay for his rehab, so this is a “win win”.
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u/willofthemaster New York Mets 17d ago
Is this the team doing him a solid, or does this go against the Orioles cap for 2022?
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u/coffeeMcbean Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
From what I'm gathering in the last 20 minutes the team must have basically agreed to pay out his salary next year if he retired and doesn't take up a roster spot.
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u/i_am_thoms_meme Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
lol even counting his salary the O's are $132 million below the Luxury tax threshold.
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u/human_stuff St. Louis Cardinals 17d ago
He’s getting his remaining contract spread out over the course of several years so it doesn’t break the Orioles bank the next couple of seasons.
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u/opiusmaximus2 17d ago
Hes Bobby Bonilla Round 2
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u/human_stuff St. Louis Cardinals 17d ago edited 17d ago
Fun fact: Ken Griffey Jr. has been getting almost $4m a year from the reds every year since 2008.
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u/smiles134 Milwaukee Brewers 17d ago
Heyman says he's still getting paid: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1425828681755381760
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u/JeffMatz Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
This just makes me feel sad about the great teams we had with Manny, Jones, CD, JJ, Markakis and just makes me think how much fun it was to watch the Os back then. CD retiring is the last thread of those teams so it makes me really sad. I hope he enjoys retirement!
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u/eekbarbaderkle Boston Red Sox 17d ago
In spite of everything, Chris Davis ends his career with an OPS+ above 100.
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u/Matthew2818 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
So is he owed his deferred money like Bobby Bonilla? He forfeits his $21m for next year but get his $1.4-3.5mil for the next 15 yrs?
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u/aresef Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Heyman says he'll get his full contract amount and agreed to a restructuring. He'll be paid in full next year, $23M, and then the deferred kicks in.
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u/InvasionXX Atlanta Braves 17d ago
Guy was absolutely key in their early '10s run. Sports are tough to maintain your body.
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u/IAmGrum Toronto Blue Jays 17d ago edited 17d ago
Players with a +50HR season and at least one win as a pitcher during their career:
* Hall of Fame