r/baseball • u/TigerBasket Baltimore Orioles • 17d ago
https://twitter.com/dakern74/status/1426018543984803850?s=20357
u/Rickys_Lineup_Card Chicago White Sox 17d ago
Currently Romantic About Baseball.
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u/0hootsson San Francisco Giants 17d ago
CRAB
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u/TigerBasket Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
I love this sport
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u/Goooldschmidt Arizona Diamondbacks 17d ago
I love you for loving this sport
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
I think it is almost a little laughable to think baseball players get paid for playing, especially since they typically come back home and take up lucrative jobs. The idea that some baseball players get paid to play just boggles my mind.
This is a sport where the average salary of a player in the league is $13 million. Baseball players are like pop stars—they make a lot of money. I can tell you as someone who does paychecks for a living that that is a heck of a lot of money, and it is almost unbelievable that they are expected to work for it.
I have seen players work very hard, but I have never seen anyone get paid for their hard work.
The notion that they are earning some kind of a living off of what is essentially a part-time gig as a baseball player is ludicrous.
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u/TigerBasket Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
As a lifelong baseball fan, if I told you that a baseball player was earning a living off of what I can only assume is a part-time gig as a baseball player, you might think I was out of my mind.
I would not be surprised if we see the first NFL draft pick with a major arm go in the 6th round or the 7th round. I could have sworn I saw an NFL team give a $500k signing bonus to one of their draft picks as a form of compensation for giving them the opportunity to play.
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u/BlandRandy Chicago Cubs 17d ago
Pretty simple fella. People get paid more when they specialize in something they can do that others can’t, or in other words, a professional.
The business they are in generates insane amounts of money. Would you prefer it go to the owners? Or that the sport generates no money and that the millions of people across the world who enjoy it just stop supporting the game altogether.
They are compensated based on the money they generate. If that’s not fair I don’t know what is
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u/joe579003 San Francisco Giants 17d ago
Look at that post history, it is a trip
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u/BlandRandy Chicago Cubs 17d ago
I enjoy being combative to dumb statement on and offline so all is well. Just repeating an argument I’ve made to plenty of people who do like to complain about how ridiculous it is players make this much to play a game
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
Just because you earn your money not based on how much money you play makes you not entitled to a million dollar signing bonus. The only thing they give you is actual cash, not something that is supposed to be "earned" as a means of compensation. Now if a guy was only earning it on his playing days, I suppose it wouldn’t be a big deal. But when you consider that the majority of NFL players don’t start making a living off of playing until well into their forties (if they make it that long), and if they don’t make a living from playing right out of high school, then your reasoning becomes a little more complicated.
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u/Darkagent1 Minnesota Twins 17d ago
majority of NFL players don’t start making a living off of playing until well into their forties
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
The fucking NFL IS in New York, in Manhattan, in an area right outside of the World Trade Center, the biggest center of financial hub on earth. And, again, that doesn’t take away from how lucrative and high-profile it is, but to have a guy playing in your league who is literally earning his entire salary through his NFL career isn’t exactly going to be that big of a revelation to most readers. So again, the main thing to remember here is, just because someone earns his money playing for you, doesn’t mean he deserves a billion dollar salary.
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u/Darkagent1 Minnesota Twins 17d ago
How the fuck is being a professional baseball player a part time gig?
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
It is the absolute minimum a professional baseball player has to do in his or her life to make it financially successful.
Yes, they are paid to play and get paid to play, but the real reason they are paid so well is because they put in the work to get there. That work is not the same work they do every day as a janitor or a construction worker. They put in the work, and I know this because I have played baseball in the minor leagues myself.
I am aware that professional baseball players can be very successful, but I also know that this success comes at a cost—especially if you want to make a living off of it.
That is the reason why I am on the record now asking if Major League Baseball players are actually getting paid too much.
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u/Darkagent1 Minnesota Twins 17d ago
You didn't answer my question. How is being a professional baseball player a part time job?
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u/Slaaneshels 17d ago
I'm fairly certain the dudes a crap troll and mentally ill
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u/Darkagent1 Minnesota Twins 17d ago
I hope he's the troll. He's making less and less sense by the comment.
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
It is fucking part-time.
I have played multiple positions in professional baseball, and there are plenty of positions in professional baseball that are less glamorous than catcher. As much as I love being a catcher, there are plenty of guys out there with more ability who make more money at other positions, and they deserve the opportunities given to them.
What are the odds that a professional baseball player is going to be a good player? I have done the math. My odds are, like, 1 in 500 that a guy is going to hit 40 home runs, and 1 in 3,000 that a guy is going to hit 40 doubles, and 1 in 10,000 that a guy is going to hit 40 triples. And in my opinion, none of those numbers add up.
You don't see that happen in baseball when you watch the games—those kinds of numbers are rare occurrences. I've actually seen someone hit over .400 in my day—you won't find that on television or in newspapers, so it doesn't exist. As I said before, when I hit a home run, it went through the fence and into the audience—that's rare, too.
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u/Darkagent1 Minnesota Twins 17d ago
How is it part time? You still haven't answered that question.
Dude seriously get some help. This is worrying.
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
The way you’re talking makes me very, very convinced that I am telling the truth. I'm telling you the truth because if I'm not telling you the truth, then I should have thought of that.
I have not seen an average of more than one home run or double in a week since February 22, 2014. It is only now that I have found out why, and I have found out how that number came to be—I never even knew. That’s why I can tell you that I've been very fortunate to never see even one every day since I was drafted—that number was something I had heard before—someone told me—before I was drafted, the rumor was that I would go number one to Toronto.
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u/Lionheart1224 Chicago White Sox 17d ago
And here we see an example of someone who has been brainwashed by capitalists to hate labor, just because of how much money they make. Wow.
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u/IGetItCrackin 17d ago
I am not. I am not brainwashed. I care about baseball players as human beings.
All that is true. I get it. I know there are a lot of people who resent what athletes make. But I am no longer naive enough to believe that people like me are just blindly defending players and their wages because we feel like we have to defend something.
All that is true. I get it. I know there are a lot of people who resent what athletes make.
No one can justify why they are making it. Why would you pay people to play a sport? I get that I don’t have a solution for it, but I do understand how they think it works, how it is sold to us, and I can still find it in my heart to believe the game was created and is supported because people genuinely want to enjoy the experience of playing baseball.
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u/Lionheart1224 Chicago White Sox 16d ago edited 16d ago
No one can justify why they are making it.
Here's the justification for their making so much: the owners make billions of dollars from this game hand over fist. Some even use the teams as quasi tax shelters. They're filthy fucking rich from the game.
Players deserve a cut of that, because there wouldn't be a game without them. Hell, they deserve a larger cut of it imo, but I'm no labor negotiator. But the fact remains that in a multi-billion dollar industry with few on-field employees, they deserve every damn million they make.
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u/katowash44 New York Yankees 17d ago
MLB should be marketing the shit of him.
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u/pwnd32 Los Angeles Angels 17d ago
I agree, Shoeless Joe deserves another time in the spotlight
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u/TigerBasket Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
Shoeless Joe Jackson the man who inspired Ruth's Swing and millions more still lives on to this day.
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u/JTCMuehlenkamp St. Louis Cardinals 17d ago
UNBAN SHOELESS JOE
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u/JRob370 Miami Marlins 17d ago edited 17d ago
No don’t. He threw a World Series.
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u/JTCMuehlenkamp St. Louis Cardinals 17d ago
He slashed .375/.394/.563 with a .956 OPS in that World Series.
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u/IFeelItDownInMyPlums Chicago White Sox 17d ago
He played very well that world series.
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u/A_Monocle_For_Sauron Detroit Tigers 16d ago
I mean if he was supposed to be throwing it, how do you explain the fact he hit 375 for the series and didn't commit one error?
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u/JRob370 Miami Marlins 17d ago edited 17d ago
He literally admitted to doing it.
Also, if you examine where his hits came, you’ll see that all of them were low leverage. He also made multiple very costly defensive mishaps (though they weren’t counted as errors). I read a great article examining every play he was involved in that series, and it was pretty clear that he was throwing. If someone could find it that would be great.
Here are the articles I’m talking about:
https://baseballegg.com/2016/04/05/how-joe-jackson-conspired-to-lose-the-world-series/
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u/GoldenBananas21 St. Louis Cardinals 17d ago
That baseball egg article isn’t great. It refuses claims by making claims with no evidence to back it up. Zero sources
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u/IFeelItDownInMyPlums Chicago White Sox 17d ago
Did he verbally admit it? It was my understanding that he signed a paper, but you know, he was illiterate. Also it wasn't his personal lawyer that had him sign it (he couldn't afford his own attorney). It was the team's lawyer.
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u/JRob370 Miami Marlins 17d ago
Yeah, I guess you’re right. But besides that, there’s way more evidence that he did do it than that he didn’t. All of his teammates said he did, and his play was very suspicious even though his overall stats were excellent. I really recommend reading those articles
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u/MrJigglyBrown Chicago Cubs 16d ago
People be like “the astros weren’t punished enough, should’ve been banned for life” and then say the punishment is too hard for someone who threw a World Series for money.
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u/BruceReeLoy 16d ago
Huge difference between cheating to win, detrimentally impacting the careers of players on other teams, and losing for some extra money.
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u/HoS_CaptObvious Texas Rangers 16d ago
Are you saying cheating in an effort to win is worse or better than intentionally losing for money?
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u/jnightrain Milwaukee Brewers 16d ago
I believe he is saying what the Astros did is worse because it affected more than themselves.
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u/BruceReeLoy 16d ago edited 13d ago
It's worse. Cheating to win, which also detrimentally impacts the careers of people on other teams, is worse than intentionally losing to make more money in a time where owners weren't paying more than 33% of revenue to the players. Joe Jackson was making less than 6 figures in todays dollars. That's after a world series win.
Edit: the MLB recognizes the Astros as champs after cheating but won't change the ump's bad call on what should be Galarraga's perfect game. The MLB is ran by idiots.
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u/JTCMuehlenkamp St. Louis Cardinals 17d ago
How about you go and find it yourself? It's not our job to prove you right.
But let's assume that you are completely and totally 100% right. They threw the World Series because they needed fucking money and the rat fuck owners wouldn't pay them.
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u/Wordlesswing Hiroshima Toyo Carp 17d ago
Not to mention said rat fuck owner made them PAY to wear the uniforms….as in he’d RENT them their fucking uniforms. The man was the worst and at that point baseball was the worst for how it treated and enslaved it’s players so no Shoeless joe is not the bad guy in this at all, he did an immoral thing but so did everyone in baseball at that time.
Two wrongs don’t make a right but the fact that anyone can think shoeless joe Jackson deserves his ban really is missing the forest for its trees.
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u/Hail2TheOrange Puerto Rico 17d ago
No he didn't. Look at his splits in the wins vs the losses. He 100% threw that world series.
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u/JTCMuehlenkamp St. Louis Cardinals 17d ago
And I'd say that's completely justified considering the White Sox had to rent their own fucking uniforms and didn't get paid shit thanks to their scumbag owner.
There's an old Soviet saying that goes, "We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay."
Shoeless Joe and his teammates deserved better.
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u/Hail2TheOrange Puerto Rico 16d ago
Yeah that's a different issue though. The Joe Jackson didn't throw the world series crowd is just delusional. He admitted to it.
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u/michaelt2223 17d ago
So what you’re saying is I should bet everything I own on the white sox losing in the World Series
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u/thescottreid Los Angeles Dodgers 17d ago
Would you look at that, the Reds only 3.5 back of the second wild card.
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u/doyouevenIift Chicago White Sox 17d ago
Whenever I think baseball can't surprise me anymore, it goes and does something like this. Greatest sport in the history of mankind
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u/BlackCloudDiner143 Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
There had never been another walk off homer against the Yankees in the nearly 20 years prior? How is that possible, even during the dead ball era.
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u/SirParsifal Cincinnati Red Stockings 17d ago
They probably only played the Yankees ten or twenty times a year, they were much better than the Yankees that entire time, and teams did not hit home runs.
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u/sailfishfly Atlanta Braves 16d ago
Can someone explain I feel like I’m missing something here
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u/Silent_Samurai Chicago White Sox 16d ago
Shoeless joe was a main character in the movie field of dreams and TA7 just walked off the Yankees in the field of dreams game.
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u/TrapperJean New York Yankees 17d ago
I mean, that's not that crazy, how many dudes had his power at that that? Makes sense he'd be the first to do it in the population
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u/TigerBasket Baltimore Orioles 17d ago
To be fair with how old the Franchises are, and how old this game is they had like 10 Years after the Yankees were founded and played at least 8 games per year against one another. For the first walkoff homerun to be Shoeless Joe is pretty damn improbable
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u/fromcjoe123 Los Angeles Dodgers 17d ago
Makes sense given that he's still in that damn corn field!
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u/2003Oak New York Yankees 17d ago
Why must this season hurt so much?
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u/tyler-86 Los Angeles Dodgers 16d ago
Well you've won 27% of the last 100 championships so probably just roll with it.
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u/Frigidevil New York Yankees 16d ago
I mean at the end of the day we're 2 games back and 1 in the loss column. Not the end of the world.
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u/Yossarian1138 Jackie Robinson 16d ago
Just to play glass half full:
You threw a very C level starter out there to eat some innings against one of the very best offenses in MLB on a field that was playing like a high school park. It was a little rough, but they hung in and kept it within reach and didn’t get completely shelled.
Then you got a ton of offense (and great defense) from a bench scrub that set up Judge and Stanton to look exactly like you want Judge and Stanton to look and seriously beat up a very good bullpen.
Now Wade feels like he belongs, Judge is lava hot, and even Stanton is somehow overcoming that ugly mustache to look good.
It is already back to being a scary as hell offense, and that is with Rizzo out for a week and Gallo not in a groove.
Sure you lost, but after that performance Yankees fans should be feeling optimistic. Even if the bullpen has a 6.50 ERA the next six weeks it won’t matter much if the offense is averaging 8.
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u/haus_der_luege St. Louis Cardinals 16d ago
Hey now, if your team played in the NL East they'd be in first place.
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u/NYGiants181 16d ago
Relax man we’ve been MUCH better lately. Plus covid hit us pretty hard. Last night was just good for baseball win or lose.
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u/AegisPlays314 Atlanta Braves 17d ago
Does this mean that for the symmetry of it the white Sox can never walk off the Yankees again
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u/Jerry_from_Japan 17d ago
You juice enough balls you can pretty damn well script anything lol. I for one don't mind it, I'd like for them to use them the rest of the year and next season as well.
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u/seth928 Chicago White Sox 17d ago
Well, that's pretty fucking cool.