r/classicwow 3d ago Silver Gold Wholesome Rocket Like Bless Up (Pro) Platinum Take My Money Take My Power 'MURICA

Discussion I am a botter / gold seller at the start of every major classic expansion release, as unpopular as ill be, ask me anything and ill honestly answer you.


Majority of my selling is done directly to suppliers of major websites as price and demand fluctuate. I also have regulars from guild leaders to casuals who hit me up, below is a screenshot of what i made off this particular website in the first 3 weeks of wrath launch, but as mentioned i sell all over the place. Id avarage $2-3000 per month for the first 3 months of an expansion launch, ill run anywhere from 5-25 bots at a time. To explain the SS this was the profit on this site during wrath launch, its not the biggest site i use, but just over $1000 from it.


Been doing this since the glider days ( real vanilla ) , on and off between the years. Not here to gloat or shitpost, just see ALOT of misinformation regarding selling gold in wow, for example i am not chinese, i do care about the game and i do belive more should/could be done to stop people like me.

That said, ask me anything.

r/classicwow 17d ago

Discussion For those discussing how Blizzard will implement protection or an appeal system against griefers and disconnects — this is probably what the reality of hardcore is going to be like (ss taken directly from diablo 3 character creation)

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r/classicwow 5d ago Platinum Take My Money Vibing To The Stars Gold

Discussion Want to play Vanilla+ WoW?


Come join us on Turtle WoW! This is a WoW Private Server with additional content that is lore and atmosphere friendly (ever wondered what it looks like to see a Tauren with Plainsrunning? or a Paladin with taunt?). If you enjoy the Vanilla experience but want unique and new content built around leveling to 60 TWoW could be for you.

Also there is a Hardcore mode, turtle mode (slower xp gain), survival profession and so much more!

Website: https://turtle-wow.org - Discord: https://discord.gg/MyF5wQYHdr

Need to fix your vanilla client? https://github.com/hannesmann/vanillafixes/releases | https://github.com/brndd/vanilla-tweaks/releases

Edit: As I get questions, I will answer them here. I am an ex-dev of TWoW and in no way represent them. /u/tw_torta is the Server Owner.

With the character rebalancing on TWoW, is the spec pool more viable? Yes! Meta classes are still pretty dominant, but much more specs are seen and are viable for leveling (druids get insect swarm as a learned ability for example and a new talent to replace it).

Is crafting more valuable compared to classic? Way more valuable, there are a lot of recipes that help fill in gear gaps, and it for sure creates a better economy from what I can tell and makes professions very, very useful while leveling.

Are the new dungeons/raids going to be sidegrades or trying to fix "holes" in classic design? Yes, most of the new content is below level 55 to help substitute weird gaps in the classic leveling experience. You can expect locations to have extra buildings or new npc's, maybe more quests, or entirely new hubs altogether (2 goblin islands near Booty Bay, goblins in dustwallow marsh, etc)

r/classicwow 25d ago

Discussion The salt level on this subreddit is going to be insane when official Hardcore servers release

  1. No appeals
  2. Griefing will be rampant and highly creative
  3. Whole groups of people will die to various internet/server issues

The crying on here will be biblical, and I can't wait for it.

r/classicwow Nov 30 '22 Take My Energy Helpful (Pro) Gold Helpful

Discussion Actual tier list for phase 2 - play what you want kings it's a 15 year old video game

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r/classicwow Sep 27 '22 Silver

Discussion Being repeatedly kicked from Nexus/UK groups because I'm not full t6 BiS reminds me that the community has optimized the fun out of classic


It's a leveling dungeon for people in leveling gear... you don't need any gear to complete it.

r/classicwow Sep 03 '19 Silver Gold Platinum Wholesome

Discussion <-- This amount of people are not racing to 60.


Take your time and enjoy the ride.

A large amount of people here seem so stressed out about reaching 60 as fast as humanly possible.

A large chunk of us have more obligations than what we used to, work, kids etc.. You're not alone. No need to let a game affect your mental health when you'll gradually reach the endgame & your goals even if you take your time. Except if you burn out.

There is no rush. Stressing about reaching 60 because your friends are ahead and doing nothing but grinding the same dungeons to catch up will only ruin the experience and the nostalgia that we all are experiencing.

Edit: Damn, this blew up!

For people asking me not to dictate how they should play, this is not aimed at you! If you want to play efficient and fast, by all means do so, I'm not here to judge nor teach you!

This is aimed at people inbetween that fear of losing out and force themselves to play more than they are capable of regarding IRL obligations and in different ways than what they had planned.

r/classicwow Sep 26 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Take My Power

Discussion Lend me your energy! Keep Joyous Journey Buff!!



r/classicwow Jan 23 '23 Take My Energy

Discussion Brian Birmingham (Classic lead) has left Blizzard in protest of the company's stack-ranking system, saying he was forced to give an employee a lower evaluation than that employee deserved in order to hit a quota.


Jason Schreier's article: Blizzard Manager Departs In Protest of Employee Ranking System - Bloomberg

I've included some snippets:

In 2021, Blizzard, a unit of Activision Blizzard Inc., implemented a process called stack ranking, in which employees are ranked on a bell curve and managers must give low ratings to a certain percentage of staff, according to people familiar with the change who asked not to be named discussing a private matter. Managers were expected to give a poor “developing” status to roughly 5% of employees on their teams, which would lower their profit-sharing bonus money and could hamper them from receiving raises or promotions in the near future at the Irvine, California-based company, known for games like Overwatch and World of Warcraft.

Brian Birmingham, who was the co-lead developer of World of Warcraft Classic, wrote an email to staff last week to express his frustration with this system. He wrote that he and other managers on the World of Warcraft team had been able to circumvent or skip filling the quota for the last two years and that he believed the mandate had been dropped or wasn’t strictly enforced. But recently, Birmingham said, he was forced to lower an employee from the average “successful” rating to “developing” in order to hit the quota.

“When team leads asked why we had to do this, World of Warcraft directors explained that while they did not agree, the reasons given by executive leadership were that it was important to squeeze the bottom-most performers as a way to make sure everybody continues to grow,” Birmingham wrote in the email, which was reviewed by Bloomberg. “This sort of policy encourages competition between employees, sabotage of one another’s work, a desire for people to find low-performing teams that they can be the best-performing worker on, and ultimately erodes trust and destroys creativity.”

Birmingham wrote that he refused to work at Blizzard until the company removed this stack ranking policy. “If this policy can be reversed, perhaps my Blizzard can still be saved, and if so I would love to continue working there,” Birmingham wrote. “If this policy cannot be reversed, then the Blizzard Entertainment I want to work for doesn’t exist anymore, and I’ll have to find somewhere else to work.”


Edit: Brian has tweeted about the topic now, thread starts here: (1) Brian Birmingham💙 on Twitter: "I wasn't intending to make this public, but apparently its in the news already, so I'd at least like to set the record straight. I am no longer an employee of Blizzard Entertainment, though I would return if allowed to, so that I could fight the stack-ranking policy from inside." / Twitter

I'm told the forced stack-ranking policy is a directive that came from the ABK level, ABOVE Mike Ybarra. I don't know for sure, but I suspect it's true. Everybody at Blizzard I've spoken to about this, including my direct supervisors, expressed disappointment about this policy.

(1) Brian Birmingham💙 on Twitter: "But ABK is a problematic parent company. They put us under pressure to deliver both expansions early. It is deeply unjust to follow that by depriving employees who worked on them their fair share of profit. The ABK team should be ashamed of themselves." / Twitter

r/classicwow Oct 08 '22 Gold Helpful

Discussion No wonder WOTLK had peak player base


The raids are fun, 10 man for goofy social while still needing to pay attention, 25 for some challenge. I imagine it as more challenging back in the day. PVP is easy to get into. You can easily farm gear and just do stuff on multiple characters, now even more with enchants/flying tome being account wide. Characters are fun, not complex like MoP but not braindead like TBC. Most classes are balanced with few outliers. There are no CHORES in the game. Like its actually a fun game.

I can see how Cata was just too hard for all these players who loved WOTLK. My only gripe is removal of progressive raiding but maybe that's actually good for the game. Also fix WG lag and pet hp bug, thanks.

r/classicwow Apr 27 '23

Discussion WotLK is more 'retail' than 'classic'

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r/classicwow Jun 27 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Helpful (Pro)

Discussion Blizzard removing my BiS Items without notification and closes all my tickets regarding it


Reddit we did it!

Within 3 hours some (higher ranked?) blizzard employee wrote me a ingame message. He told me that one of his agents told him there was a big mistake made by a GM and I should checkout my mail.


´Chat with the GM:



Thanks for paying attention to it here, I don't know if I would have it back now without reddit.




TLDR: I won an BiS Item in Karazhan with rolling. Player who lost the roll raged and reported me for ninjaloot. Blizzard removed my item and close all the tickets regarding the item "not answering any questions". I have evidence and screenshots for everything down below, which I also sent to blizzard. I was not party lead, not master loot and just fairly won with a higher roll. -> https://imgur.com/a/SB2s3QE


First of all sorry for my wrong english, I am from germany and I´m just trying to get some attention to my problem, which I wouldn´t believe If it didn´t happened to me.


I am a resto druid and joined a karazhan-pug. It was a messy run. My healpartner was a Priest. I farm Karazhan because I really want Lights Justice (https://tbc.wowhead.com/item=28771/lights-justice) which is BiS for most healers. I was so happy it dropped, when the priest healer in voice told me that I wont get this item because it is reserved for him. I couldn´t believe what I heard, following by a big discussion that the raidlead never told anyone that anything is locked and therefore I have the right to roll on it. The raidlead told me at that time he did not saved it for him personally, they just talked about it but he didnt secured it to him - in the LFG channel it was advertised as a free MS > OS run and in the raid no one told me anything. After a wild discussion we decided to roll on the item and I won - he rolled 22 and I did roll 78.

Link. https://imgur.com/a/ARPCZpD

I rolled 78, the other healer 22. I won and got the item.

So I got that Item, the raidlead gave it to me and I was supper happy. I dont have that time for goldfarming, but also wanted to enchant it with 81 heal so I lend myself about 500g to enchant it. I was playing arena and everything was good. After a time the player insulted me heavily, I told him that I have no contact to the raidlead and dont know him, I was not told that anything is saved and that we (in the end) decided to roll and I won it fairly. Nothing wrong Ive done here, he just kept insulting me.


I played some BGs and noticed I was healing nothing compared to 1-2 days before. Then I saw that my Justices Light was removed.

I wrote a ticket about it. I got an answer.

They removed the item from me because I was "ninjalooting". I was not the party lead, not the master looter, I didnt knew the raidlead and was just a random member of this PUG who win with a roll.

Link: https://i.imgur.com/7IniS6N.png



I answered the ticket, told them the situation I just wrote up here, told them that I was not the raidlead and not the loot master and I didnt have any influence to the loot at all besides my roll. I didn´t even knew the raidlead. A answer came 24h after.

After that answer they closed ALL my tickets regarding to the item. They wont answer ANY questions.

Link: https://imgur.com/a/y1ohJm7

In the end they wrote: this case is completely closed for us, we do not answer any questions according to this ticket anymore.

After that one they CLOSED all my tickets regarding to that weapon (I had 3, lol)




So I ended up here, writing more tickets and trying to get attention to my case. Funny sidefact: I the early days after release I had a ninjalooter (shaman dps) who rolled for all my healstuff at some BC dungeons and told me he need it for gold and that the group sucked so hard, he will use it for rep. Nothing to bad, but still toxic behaviour I reported. The answer I got: we cannot help you in that case, because as a shaman he can wear leather (lol) and there are no lootrules in tbc unlike in Retail WOW. I was like: yeah thanks for nothing yu small indie company.

So I wrote a new ticket and trying to spread this story. If that is the purpose of blizzard, I can get all my items in the future: just whisper your buddy item XY is reserved for him, dont tell anyone else and just give it to him. Blizzard will not punish you If I understand correctly here.

Please upvote this so people see how Blizzard is acting and how less they care for their players.

Thanks for reading

If you have any questions or need more evidence, feel free to ask. I am asking for attention here, yes, because I hope blizzard will notice it and correct their mistake. What do you guys think about this damn thing?

Pls share!

Offical WoW Forum: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wow/t/blizzard-loescht-mein-bis-item-gibt-mir-keine-informationen-und-schlie%C3%9Ft-alle-tickets/153323/7

r/classicwow Sep 01 '19 Silver Gold Platinum

Discussion Asmongold failed classic wow


At the end of the day he's only one person and it doesn't matter in the long run, but as a person who has watched him for a long time and has even give him my twitch prime, He has failed classic wow.

Asmongold spent years ( as did a lot of people ) begging blizzard to release classic wow servers, For many reasons..


the leveling experience..

the RPG elements that disappeared throughout the years..


the old zones..

Grouping up with other players all the time...

There's a million reasons we all wanted classic wow but I think it's really sad that he and many streamers shit talked BFA forever and said they would play classic differently only to go around begging for gold and items.


.. Only to beg for gold and items from other players after saying they strictly wouldn't.

...Only to spam Scarlet Monastery to level.

...Only to beg for gold for your first mount when you said you wouldn't

...Only to say " CAN I GET THAT? " whenever an item drops.

...Only to say " I don't want to do that quest it doesn't give good enough loot "

...Only to do the same exact things and behave the same way you do on retail

You had a second chance to re live classic wow and you threw it all away.

You can't use the excuse " but I decided to roll on a pvp server sooooo I don't want to be behind..." Because we know that's an excuse. Don't even try to justify your lie.

You asked for legacy servers for years but when they came around you just weren't strong enough to do it without begging for gold and items.

At the end of the day, Who cares he's just one person. But as a top WoW streamer it's sad.

You failed classic, you failed your fans, but most of all, You failed yourself.

We thought more highly of you.

You're disappointing.

r/classicwow Sep 12 '19 Silver Gold Platinum

Discussion How would you guys like Classic to progress in the future?

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r/classicwow Nov 13 '19 Platinum Silver Gold

Discussion World first 60 Method Jokerd ninja'd Staff of Dominance from my raid last night...


EDIT: Method has responded: https://twitter.com/Methodgg/status/1194733591537897472

I'd like to thank them for addressing the situation but I would also like to hold my comments until they investigate this further. It's fairly commonplace for people, companies, organizations, etc to PR their way out of situations such as this by temporarily suspending individuals until the heat dies down. Hopefully, that is not the case and Joker will be dealt with appropriately. Not saying Method is doing this, but I'd like to hear their follow up response once the investigation has concluded. In addition, I'm not upset about the staff one bit. I'm upset he ruined the run, stole it, then taunted us/rubbed it in our face. Hopefully WoW Esports will go the CS:GO route and start introducing Psychologists to their competitive rosters.

I'm only writing this up because no one has mentioned it yet. Last night I was in a PuG MC which I was assuming would be a safe/good group because Joker was running the raid. Boy was I wrong about that...


Not only did Joker ninja the item, but he genuinely screwed the raid over multiple times by trying to raid lead it. Anyone is free to watch the VoD and how many mistakes this guy makes with the actual raid. It's pathetic, he's actually terrible at understanding the mechanics of MC from Trash to bosses. He never assigned douses and he didn't even have enough dousers in the first place because he really only had to get to Golemagg to ninja the item. Finally, this guy is geared to the core, but he wasn't even the best mage in the raid, he doesn't even wait for 5 stacks of Winter's Chill before he pops all his CD's. He's an actual bot, a one-trick pony.

Now all this stuff is bad enough, but then Joker begins insulting and laughing at everyone after he wins the item. He reminds us he's had more viewers on WoW classic than anyone else. That he is the best. He laughs at us on stream while his braindead twitch viewers cheer him on. He does everything to make it more content and rub it in our face. Joker is also in the best/2nd best guild on the server...What did they have to say about it?


Lastly, Joker is a member of the best organization in WoW, Method. Which includes a ton of sponsors and should be a group of people who care about their reputation in WoW. I'm very interested to see how they respond. I've already reached out to Method via email, but we'll see how this plays out. I'd highly doubt people like MSI would want to support a person such as this.

I'm tentative to post this because part of me thinks this was all a publicity stunt. But anyone who watches the entire end of the VoD can tell this guy has some mental problems, in addition to an inflated ego. Also that little controversy about him cheating to World 60? I believe that 100%. This guy is an absolute sociopath. Finally, this is just a video game and it's not that big of a deal. I didn't even need the item, it's just astounding to see something like this actually go on. Even if Blizzard does nothing, hopefully, his org and sponsors pull support.

r/classicwow Oct 08 '19 Silver Gold Platinum

Discussion Blizzard, on behalf of "casuals", please slow down


I know this probably won't get much attention, as it is very unlikely to create any outrage. Because it is, in fact, a positive post and they're not in fashion lately, but let me try anyway.

Blizzard, with the latest news of opening Dire Maul this soon, made it look like the timeline of Classic moves and will move very fast.

But I just want to speak up and let everyone know, that there is plenty of us, who don't even have level 60 yet. We're probably not the typical Reddit users, we're not the typical Reddit posters even more. But there is a lot of us.

I personally am not even level 40. I am from the demographic of the original players who played WoW back in time and absolutely loves the game, as it helped (for some it's maybe pathetic, but it's true) shape my childhood/teenage years. Now though, adult life and adult responsibilities are coming and there is simply not that much time for WoW anymore. I'm not advocating for making the game less time consuming, or less "hardcore". I love the game as it is. Just for slower release plan. I expect WoW: Classic to last, and last long. I don't want it to be "over" in few months. This is one of the things that excite me about WoW: Classic - it's there to stay for a long time and everything will not be invalidated in the next patch. But I don't want to hit fresh 60 when Phase 5 is rolling out and I would be so far behind.

Now, we're at 42 days since launch that is around 1,4 levels per day. That's a lot! Even calculating the first 20 or so fast levels.

Average players spends around 8 days (? someone correct me if not true) /played. That averages around 4.5 (!) hours per day to hit 60 around now. Which is close to impossible for a regular working dude with other hobbies/responsibilities.

But let me just say it - I don't mind it! I don't mind that it takes so long. The leveling is fun and I'll gladly spend months doing it.

Although there is a lot of us like this and I would like the content-release schedule to be at least a bit in accordance with these human options, and not caring only about those who race to level 60 spending 12 hours a day playing, getting ahead of 99% of playerbase and then (although I didn't hear anyone actually say this) say that there is "no content".

I realize that hardcore players are the moving engine of the game and they should absolutely be catered to (and mad respect to them), but not only them and not when nobody is asking for it. And it's (I think) sometimes hard to hear the rest of the players. Moreover, I think Activision's HQ is pressing to push new content as fast as possible to keep the timeline moving and the "engagement numbers" up, but I think it's very unnecessary.

But as I said in the beginning, this is supposed to be a positive post. Because otherwise (or including) Blizzard is killing it! Everything, and I mean everything they've done with Classic and for us, the Classic community, has been fantastic (and that's coming from someone who played Vanilla and was fan of Vanilla as long as even TBC rolled out) so far.

I just wanted to voice that there is a lot of us who appreciate it and enjoy it, but are not vocal very often, and are not part of the 10% hardcore players.

PS: I realize the title is not the best, as I can't in fact speak for anyone else and all this is my opinion and viewpoint. But the response for the post will help clearing that up, whom it concerns and whom it doesn't.

edit PPS: Also the title is a bit sensationalist, I apologize for that

edit2: The issue is not DM itself, DM is mostly fine. The concern is mainly for future and for releases new Phases and full raid tiers if they come as fast as DM now. This is just me saying "hey Blizz, cool what you're doing so far, just slow down with the next content patches, there is lots of us who are not there yet and even the most hardcore players are not asking for it yet.." also I didn't expect this to blow up that much really.

r/classicwow Feb 19 '20 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome This Press F Bless Up Mind Blown I'd Like to Thank... Stonks Falling Bless Up (Pro) Updoot GOAT 2020 Vision Yas Queen Heartbreak

Discussion Bot company attacks WoW Classic servers!


Around 1 week ago a company of bots, literally a company because there are hundreds, if not over a thousand lvl 60 bots doing Stratholme on Classic Servers right now, started breaking the game economy and we need the community help to bring Blizzard to do something about it before it's too late. These bots do all the same thing, they are a group of 1 Priest, 1 Druid, 3 Mages, they go inside Strath Living, farm there and then go back to Undercity, sell stuff on npc, post Righteous Orb and Pristine Black Diamond on AH and send mail to their main account with the gold, they do the exact same path every single time, they are 101% obvious bots and it's infested, like a plague, on my server, Incendius Horde there's 4 groups, 20 of them, when you see them in Undercity, how their posting in auction works, always cutting the cheapst one buy a set amount, always setting time at Very Long, cutting even their own price, it makes so obvious that they are a bot. My friends and I did some investigating, and we find out that it's not some loser botting, it's something HUGE, they have around 20 bots inside Stratholme in almost every faction/server. Just imagine how much money they invested for so many subscriptions, so much time to create the script, how many computers he has to have so many bots spread around close to all servers and factions. This is not a joke, this is serious, it's a company that infested WoW Classic and if Blizzard doesn't show them that in here it's not like other games, they will break the game economy, these guys are not joking around. If they get banned now they are going to lose so much money and time invested in this project of theirs, they will probably give up and never come back again. Blizzard show some service please, don't let WoW Classic die to bots like other games! They even tried to make it not so obvious with movement, making the characters to wait for one to complete the path before the other do it aswell, but if you pay attention like we did, it's really obvious!

My friends and I have took some screenshots and recorded some videos to show you guys. Please spread this post so Blizzard can do something about them before they kill our game like they do on all other mmo.

Incendius Horde: i.imgur.com/3HPLbdi.png

Sulfuras Horde: i.imgur.com/AMmxVrO.png

Pagle Horde: i.imgur.com/R33x19F.png

Benediction Horde: i.imgur.com/1A77XFv.png

Blaumeux Horde: i.imgur.com/lmy60sF.png

Sulfuras Horde:




Incendius Horde:



r/classicwow Sep 08 '22 Wholesome

Discussion "We believe the time has come to end the concept of a mega-realm.


r/classicwow Aug 23 '19 Silver Gold Platinum


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r/classicwow Sep 14 '22

Discussion Are Heirlooms a System You LOVE or HATE in WOTLK?

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r/classicwow 20h ago

Discussion After leading a couple of SR runs, I'm not surprised GDKP exists.


Basically my guild died and I wanted to finish my Valanyr, so I started hosting some SR runs with fragments reserved. It was a complete disaster: loot drama, people saying that class doesn't need x items, people just alt f4-ing after their item doesnt drop, we were left with 20 people at yogg and couldn't even finish the raid, and it was a normal run. This happened twice.

After this I decided screw it I'm hosting GDKPs, well, everybody sticks in, very easy to replace people in case it happens cause new recruits just get the full cut, and we cleared algalon and almost all hms every time.

So what are we talking about? I think without bots Gdkps would still exist, but instead of selling things at 50k they would sell for 3-5, but this model of raiding is just too efficient.

r/classicwow Sep 12 '22 Gold Wholesome Take My Energy Ally

Discussion "I want this QOL thing, I want that QOL thing"


Im starting to see where the "you think you do, but you don't" comment came from. We truly do not know what we want. In retail, we complain about no sense of achievement, its too easy to level so it should be taken out, gear has no value because it's thrown at us, no events makes the content stale.

In classic we have slower leveling, yet we want joyous journeys, we have slower gear grinds but we want buffed honor and adjusted legendary drop rate. We have invasion event, yet many complain it ruins the game for a 1 week event.

We don't want the game time coin, but the majority buys gold on G2G.

How the hell is blizzard to know what direction to move in with this controversy

Edit: Holy shit this blew up a lot more than I thought it would. But I think there's honestly a lot of good inputs here as to why certains things are/aren't good for the progress of the game. Here's to hoping blizzard will read through it inhales hopium

r/classicwow Nov 08 '19 Silver Gold

Discussion <------- Number of people who think free realm transfers need to be faction specific.


With Blizzard's latest announcement that free realm transfers are opening back up for selected realms, they are setting up another mass exodus of alliance from the horde dominated realms of Stalagg and Skeram. I thought Blizzard would have learned from their mistake the first time around,yet here we are again....

What are you doing Blizzard? Why? We have seen what happens when you don't restrict transfers. You end up with 2 grossly unbalanced realms. You almost certainly have the means to restrict transfers. So why don't you?

This whole situation has me banging my head against the wall...

Edit: This problem affects more than just Stalagg and Skeram. Herod is another highly imbalanced realm. Frankly, any high pop PvP realm with an imbalance problem could see that problem exacerbated if transfers are not regulated.

r/classicwow Sep 18 '19 Silver Gold Platinum

Discussion I thought I was useless, but then...


I was questing in the Barrens, a lowly level 18 tauren warrior. My weapon was trash, but I was pacing along when I accepted "Weapons of Choice" at Camp Taurajo.

The quest was red, but the mace reward was juicy. A whopping 17+ dps would amount to a 60% damage increase for me. Could I do it?

Absolutely and unequivocally not. I died multiple times to the level 23 mobs before throwing in the towel and dodging quillboar to mine for tin in the area.

A level 24 priest appears and is melting mobs. I humbly ask if I can tag along and he agrees. I laid hamstring on the mobs to keep them under control and leached the juicy exp, hoping for the three quest drops necessary to complete my quest (absolute garbage drop rate).

He killed his quest mob after 5 minutes but decided to help me out while he grinded to 25. Greens were dropping like mad and despite my protests he left them for me to pick up on FFA loot. "It's all you, man."

30 minutes later he dings and I still need 1 more drop. It's taking forever and I say goodbye - but no, he wants to finish the deed. What a nice guy.

Another 20 minutes and we finally finish up. I thank him profusely, offering my help in the future but knowing itll take me another month to hit 25. I'll never be able to repay him.

We part ways as I mine the last couple of veins and he starts back up the Gold Road. He's still in my group and all of a sudden I see his health bar plummet to 20% and a hamstring/rend appears on his portrait. He is flagged for PvP, and a warrior had him in his clutches.

I dart toward the road as fast as I can. I arrive on the scene and the human warrior had been feared by a psychic scream. /rude emotes were flying from my compatriot as he turned tail to run. But it was useless. The warrior began mounting up to chase him down. It was only a matter of seconds before my new friend would be laying on the ground.

I am running toward the warrior, dodging hyenas and just hoping I can do something. I tell him to run for his life, and whatever happens just dont stop - I'm a willing sacrifice.

The warrior's mount animation completes and an epic armored warhorse appears. I am desperately mashing my charge in the hope that I can at least distract him for a moment.

I dash forward as soon as the button lights up and to my surprise the charge stun wasn't resisted. Amazing. It gives me the split second I need to pop blood rage and mash hamstring. Fat chance, I thought. But the first one lands and he has no choice but to dismount and turn his fury toward me.

He lays a huge hit on me as I spam the customary emotes and shuffle around him, waiting to die as I laugh and scream in complete hysterics at my computer screen. But just then I realize - while he is hamstrung I am free to run.

Im at 42 hp and I take off in the other direction. He swaps to berserker stance to put the nail in the coffin - but the second I see the icon I run back in his direction. I'm in the sweet spot. 7 yards out. Too far to swing at me, and too close to land a charge.

I run and strafe forward and backward as he tries to catch me, and I can see it - he is completely lost.

The panic sets in, and then the rage builds. He swaps from berserker back to battle, then back to berserker. Five stance changes later and the hamstring wears off - he catches me with the final hit. I am slain.

By now, my new friend was halfway to camp Taurajo and managed to duck onto a side path, completely shocked and feverishly asking me what in the holy hell happened.

He is safe, and though my lifeless body sits blood- soaked in the dust beneath the harsh southward eye of the Barrens sun...I am victorious.

Edit: some people from Smolderweb whispered and gave me his name - Wonsamdi, troll priest. Hats off to the gentleman.

r/classicwow Apr 24 '23 Silver Gold Platinum Looking

Discussion Wotlk arena and cheaters


I have been an avid player of WoW Arena for several years and have thoroughly enjoyed the engaging and competitive gameplay it offers. However, since the release of Wotlk, I have noticed that many high-rated players are using third-party programs like AutoHotkey.

AutoHotkey is a program that allows users to spam a button hundreds of times per second and even execute pixel hacks that give them an unfair advantage, such as instant kicks on spell casts. This behavior is clearly against the game's Terms of Service and is ruining the experience for players like myself.

It is disheartening to see players like Torstenstock, Wingball, Shinta, Raselx and Pvelord using these programs on their live streams, further normalizing the use of these unfair advantages. I implore you to take action against this behavior to maintain the integrity of the game and ensure a fair playing field for all. Several of my friends and I are considering quitting the game due to the unfairness we experience in high-rated arena matches against players who use these programs.

We want to compete against other players, not computer programs. It's frustrating that some players can attain the highest PvP rank, Deadly Gladiator, by using a program. Many well-known streamers, such as Venruki and Ziqo, who have commentated at Blizzard's PvP tournaments at Blizzcon, have expressed similar concerns on their streams. Additionally, Hydra, Ziqo, Venruki, and many other have had enough of these players and have voiced their grievances publicly.

The following video shows hydra talking about those cheaters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0zF6_HSWg

The following video explains how torstenstock uses a 3rd party program in arena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_BlLHYALdU

The next video shows Venruki reacting on the last video: https://clips.twitch.tv/JazzyConcernedHareHassanChop-Wy6RxK9DISqd7nKj

The following clip shows how Torstenstock (or rather, his 3rd party program) presses 4 different buttons within 0.2s while also walking to the enemy: https://www.twitch.tv/ziqoftw/clip/FriendlySpunkyRadicchioPunchTrees-OrYWgqpSiO6ko6Xz?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time

The next clip shows some very suspect plays from the warrior Raselx: https://www.twitch.tv/ziqoftw/clip/ImpossibleTenuousBatteryGOWSkull-F6Zgf7Q_rJPnO-em?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time

The next 4 video shows how the same warrior called Raselx reflects a sheep at 99%: https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceIcyBubbleteaKappa-s_w2vZsuSIofXtMl




Another very suspect play from Raselx against Ziqo: https://clips.twitch.tv/BlitheChillyKuduShazBotstix-yAfM7Pv2Mpd11Q-K

The following clip shows how torstenstock is not aware of pressing his shieldwall. After noticing it, he makes a joke out of it: https://clips.twitch.tv/ThoughtfulSmellyMooseBrokeBack-nMvE11GcVugmmjY3

Furthermore, in addition to using 3rd party programs, players such as Torstenstock and Wingball use a program similar to TeamViewer to boost other warriors and attain high arena rewards, resulting in them earning thousands of dollars.

It's imperative that action is taken to address these cheating practices, as many people have stopped playing WoW and would consider returning if the cheaters are punished. The warriors involved in using these cheats must be thoroughly investigated and immediately banned, with their titles stripped for using such unfair means. It's akin to 15 cheaters against an entire PvP community, and it's important to restore a level playing field to ensure a fair and enjoyable gaming experience for all.

Edit: Thank you for sharing additional clips demonstrating the use of 3rd party programs. Please feel free to post them in the comments section and I will add them below.