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u/jaysun_n May 26 '22

Canada always catches me by surprise. I often forget that we have so many.

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u/Forsmann May 26 '22

Hunting? I assume that’s why the Nordic countries have quite higher numbers as well.

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u/Dwerg1 May 26 '22

I'm from Norway and hunting weapons would be the vast majority of what's counted here. It's fairly popular, especially in the countryside. I would also assume many of those people own more than just one hunting weapon.

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u/PossiblyTrustworthy May 26 '22

From Denmark, even if i havent hunted in half a decade, i still own 3 guns. My father ud the same but with 15-20 guns. Why? Good hunting guns last forever and can turn into heirlooms

I think in Denmark most Hunters Will have a double bareled shotgun and a repeating rifle. Who have single bareled shotgun (pumps netc(Limited to 2 shots) or semi automatic(also Limited to 2 shots) or dual bareled rifle Will also have the basic kit, since those are the most usefull ones

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u/TheStormlands May 26 '22

Yep, the amount of shotguns my father, and his father had are astounding. All very well maintained, cleaned, polished, and the wood oiled. I'll never get rid of them, that's for sure.

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u/ultratoxic May 26 '22

I love the artistry on those old shotguns. The engraving and woodwork on the stock and action are my favorite

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u/TheStormlands May 26 '22

Yeah, I won a carbon fiber shot stock one in my early teens. I use it when I'm just in the woods walking around, but for the range Ill use the nicer ones I know I might not ruin.

Plus... there has to be some craftsmanship to the legacy ones, because they just feel so much nicer to use.

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u/Lunarath May 26 '22

My parents were both officers in the home guard (Hjemmeværnet) and had weapons at home too, although they weren't allowed to keep ammunition in the home with the gun. I wonder if these situations are counted too here. If that's the case I'm actually surprised we don't have more guns. My old neighbor was a hunter too with several guns, in protected lockers of course.

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u/PossiblyTrustworthy May 26 '22

No, hjemmeværnet isnt civilian owned guns i believe. But if i recall about 4 percent have taken the hunting licens and these also account for most sports shooters. So maybe 5-6% of the people are allowed to own guns.

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u/PlankWithANailIn May 26 '22

Looking on a map of Denmark I can't believe there is anywhere to hunt. Do you shoot farm animals or something?

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u/PossiblyTrustworthy May 26 '22

The birds use the air :P There is plenty of water for ducks and geese, enough forests and small patches of trees for deer to hide... And of course All of them enjoy a nice field full of snacks

Also, we have the right to hunt om the sea ;)

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u/An_Oxygen_Consumer OC: 2 May 26 '22

Do you shoot farm animals or something

Last time I checked they enjoyed english monks

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u/JustANormieGeek May 26 '22

Now I want some time traveling movie where a person from the 21st century hands a bunch of guns to the Vikings sailing to Lindisfarne

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u/Diamond_United May 26 '22

I’m from Canada and we just like plinking for the sake of plinking.

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u/LtDarthWookie May 26 '22

TBF most people who have done plinking enjoy it for the sake of it.

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u/Nerowulf May 26 '22

There is also a lot of sport shooting

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u/maxout2142 May 26 '22

Theres vastly more sport shooters than there are hunters now a days in most countries with relaxed gun laws. It's the most accessible way to enjoy firearms.

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u/haberdasher42 May 26 '22

Of course, you'll have one for practice and varmints, one for deer and one for birds at the least. That's before the hobby element gets involved and you upgrade for fit and features.

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u/Velfar May 26 '22

Norwegian here. Used to hunt grouse years ago, but due to decline in the population I've stopped hunting. Still have 4 guns. My gf has never hunted, but she got a permit to inherit 4 of her father's guns when he passed away. She had to get a hunters license, and the police had to see that we had a weapon cabinet. If she didn't get those two, the weapons would have to be sold or permanently sealed.

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u/pelegenic May 26 '22

From the Canada Department of Justice website, hunting is listed as the reason for ~70% of owners. However note that the figures I found at this link are from 1998, so a lot may have changed in the 20+ years since

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/wd98_4-dt98_4/p2.html

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u/Money_Perspective311 May 26 '22

It’s illegal to have a gun for self-defense in Canada, so 100% are used for sport, or at least on paper.

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u/pelegenic May 26 '22

The other reasons mentioned in the paragraph from the link are:

“They also owned them to target shoot (18.4 percent), and because there has always been a firearm in the respondents’ homes (10 percent). Another 7.4 percent of those surveyed collected firearms, and 4.6 percent had them for protection”

Did not know about that law though! Very interesting context

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u/Important_Finger_717 May 26 '22

Protection in that context typically means from wildlife in the North or that you have a special dispensation from the provincial firearms officer. You can't just own a firearm for protection with normal licenses.

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u/c1e2477816dee6b5c882 May 26 '22

From what I understand it's illegal to have a weapon for the purpose harming other people for any reason including knifes and mace, but legal to own a gun, knife or bear spray for use against non-humans.

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u/Angry_Guppy May 26 '22

Yes, which is why if you carry bear spray on you (to use as mace) you need to practice your “No officer, I only have this because I’ve had trouble in the past with aggressive dogs that got loose from their yards.”

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u/Baelzebubba May 26 '22

200# 2 legged dogs.

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u/TheRealTron May 26 '22

Kinda like having a knife clipped to your pants. Don't tell anyone it's a knife, it's now an "edged tool" and definitely make sure it's visibly clipped to yourself otherwise it's now a concealed weapon.

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u/Zullemoi May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

We(Finland, Nordics) have lots of guns for practical and reservist shooting. But yes, a lot of them are for hunting.

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u/MrBarraclough May 26 '22

In the case of Finland, there's also a very strong civilian competitive shooting culture, with an emphasis on combat style shooting such as 2-gun matches. The Finns haven't forgotten the Winter War and are deeply distrustful of their Russian neighbors. There is a strong element of strategic deterrence in their firearms culture.

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u/DiscreetLobster May 26 '22

Finnish Brutality looks like a lot of fun. If I were in better shape and a better shot I'd love to visit and compete!

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u/Maboz May 26 '22

Swede here. Hunting is a pretty big thing and most hunters have like 4-6 guns to suite different types of hunting. I got 5 guns myself ranging from shotgun for bird hunting to some big caliber guns for hunting moose.

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u/dowdymeatballs May 26 '22

Hunting mainly and to a lesser degree sports shooting.

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u/el_grort May 26 '22

Probably pest and predator control for farms sprinkled in, they tend to be the third main reason in much of Europe.

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u/ldtka May 26 '22

Even rural homes might have some for bears or wolves just in case

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u/citizen_of_europa May 26 '22 edited 28d ago

I feel like that is because Canada doesn’t have “gun culture”. I’ve lived in both Canada and the US and in Canada very few people talk about their guns except around people who also hunt or shoot at ranges. It’s a bit taboo in fact. In the US people talk about it like they talk about their favourite TV show.

To put it in perspective, I worked for several years in an office in Ohio that had signs on all entrances stating that bringing firearms onto the premises was not permitted. Nobody in Canada would ever think it would make sense to bring a gun to the office, but in the US they need to remind you not to.

In Canada it is considered a privilege you need to earn through testing and licensing. In the US it is considered a right, and getting in the way of that right is violation of a person’s freedom.

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u/JAmToas_t May 26 '22

Your significant other also must sign the application acknowledging that they know you are applying for a firearms license

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u/wallythewalleye May 26 '22

And your ex significant other! We had broken up within a year of my getting my license and they questioned them for about 20 minutes! Thank goodness we ended on good terms.

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u/Painting_Agency May 26 '22

I mean, I don't think that if your ex says "Fuck that asshole, he screwed my sister!" your application will be rejected. But of they say they were abused etc. then that is taken into consideration.

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u/zeromadcowz May 26 '22

Sport shooting, collecting, hunting? I know self defense is not a valid answer.

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u/zeromadcowz May 26 '22

You're taught in the course. I just can't remember, it's been years.

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u/photoguy9813 May 26 '22

Yup super vigorous checks. Gun owners also get their bg checked annually

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u/Hopper909 May 26 '22

Dailey if you have an rpal.

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u/Armed_Accountant May 26 '22

It’s daily background check for all levels of PAL. The check at the time of licensing is full history + a potential medical history audit (to see if you lied on your application).

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u/Big_Knife_SK May 26 '22

And if you're flagged as being under mental duress the Mounties will come over and remove your firearms so you don't shoot yourself or your family. It's a wild concept.

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u/Global-Register5467 May 26 '22

It's supposed to work like that. During college I worked at a gun shop. A person came in, wanted to buy a handgun, we processed application, recieved the transfer from the CFO and he took it away.

About a week and a half later the RCMP come in right riled up. He was awaiting trial for assault and had his PAL suspended several months earlier. he got arrested with the gun and traced it back to us..The owner politely showed them all the completed paperwork and proof that the transfer was approved by the CFO, and that we ha been no way of knowing if a PAL is valid beyond expiry.

I know the was probably unique and slipped through but I always wondered.

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u/CharonsLittleHelper May 26 '22

In theory I 100% agree with that sort of thing.

However - the devil is in the details. HOW are you flagged for being under mental distress? Does it have to be someone who knows you reporting it? What about a jerk of an ex? etc.

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u/Big_Knife_SK May 26 '22

Anyone can call the police if they're concerned and they'll do a "wellness check". I don't know what constitutes being "flagged", I'm in no way an expert on this.

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u/Tairaa90 May 26 '22

The mounties knew the nova Scotia shooter had illegal gats and that he was a violent nut and they did fuck all.

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u/nerfy007 May 26 '22

I was about to disagree but after mulling it over, you're right. In Canada, most of the hunters I know have very little attachment or culture around their firearms. Most, when asked don't know about new options, manufacturers, or changes to the rules. They just store and maintain them, but a box of quality ammo once in the fall and that's it. Like a lawnmower or quad.

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u/Will_be_pretencious May 26 '22

That’s right. Shoot what we shoot, put the guns away, then go sledding like the respectable hillbillies we are. Don’t forget beer for the shack.

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u/sphericth0r May 26 '22

TBF, it's considered a right in the US because it is codified in the constitution, ie. It is a guaranteed right.

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u/karlnite May 26 '22

1/4 households. The culture around guns is different here though. We grew up with a gun in the house but only ever around 1 /2 a box of ammo and it only came out at deer season for a couple weeks and then was locked away.

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u/Peter_Mansbrick May 26 '22

We have no gun culture. [...] Nobody uses them or considers then a protection thing

Not entirely true in my experience. In my area (Bum Fuck Nowhere, MB) weekend shooting in the pasture is a common pastime. Guys swap guns for the day and shoot skeet or target or gophers or whatever in the same way you'd play around of golf with your buddies.

As for the protection bit, I know a number of guys who have guns for home protection. True, its not legal in the same way it is in the US and they know that but these guys would take that risk.

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u/kudatah May 26 '22

If this list specified handguns it would be dramatically different

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u/a-ravin May 26 '22

Hunting weapons mainly. If you live in bear country, you’ll probably want a gun too…

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u/DamaskRoseScent May 26 '22

And in polar bear areas, it's mandatory to carry a hunting rifle because you're supposed to be able to get yourself out of that problem should it occur - since responders would take a while. Days. Weeks, depending on season and radio signals. That's the only reason someone would arm themselves in defense against wildlife here. Even if I live in moose, bear, lynx, wolf and wolverine land, me carrying a rifle on a camping trip for protection is a no go. I would have to be actively hunting one of said species in the hunting period, in a hunting team, with permission from land owner... I could go on.

Norway has extremely strict hand gun laws, and automatic weapon laws, but hunting rifles is enough with a couple of courses, hunting certificate (different kinds for large and small game and includes clear background), being registered and owning the correct kind of weapon's locker (where ammo is locked away separate).

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u/luther_lamar May 26 '22

As an Ethiopian, this is definitely false. Even poor farmers have fully-automatic ak-47s. Ethiopians love their guns. It’s engrained in the culture.

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u/Opening_Aspect_9580 May 26 '22

Probably not registered

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u/StopTheMeta May 26 '22

Well, it says it's an estimate, so they should have taken into account the ones not registered as well. Or just excluded countries with not enough data.

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u/ststaro May 26 '22

Or just made up shit like most stats.

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u/HymanKrustofski May 27 '22

80% of people know that.

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u/partdopy1 May 26 '22 'MURICA

nah, this is clearly not concerned with accuracy as much as pushing a political point.

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u/PrinceZuzu09 May 26 '22

In japan no civilian owned guns are registered because it is illegal to own one

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u/HalfOfANeuron May 26 '22

A lot of African countries love Ak-47. Mozambique even has it in its flag

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u/trumanchap May 26 '22 Silver

Mozambique was named after the apex legends gun??? 😨

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u/physhstyx13 May 26 '22

That's hilarious

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u/eli809 May 26 '22

You are using logic in looking at this graph and thinking hmmmm this doesn’t add up. Also you can look at this graph and see shit don’t add up on the first one. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/World_map_of_homicide_rates_from_firearms_per_100%2C000_people_by_country.png/1920px-World_map_of_homicide_rates_from_firearms_per_100%2C000_people_by_country.png

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u/Time_Astronaut May 26 '22

Huh, good to know. If I wanted to visit Ethiopia what would you do and where would you go?

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u/Opening_Aspect_9580 May 26 '22

I think there is still a civil war in Ethiopia so don't.

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u/Big_Poppa_T May 26 '22

None of the red places due to ongoing military conflict https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/ethiopia

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u/Stefouch May 26 '22

I think Ukraine has more guns per 100 civilians now.

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u/InvisibleAK74 May 26 '22

When your government freely hands out AKM’s the number’s bound to go up a tad bit

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u/thegreger May 26 '22

When the government of your neighbouring country starts freely handing out tanks...

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u/Cotcan May 26 '22 Wholesome

The tractor accepts all gifts that it can tow.

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u/DMyourSSN May 26 '22

Sounds like something Sun Tzu would say.

r/AnachronisticSunTzu should be a subreddit

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u/Edarneor May 26 '22

"If your enemy comes ill prepared, bring out your tractor." - Sun Tzu

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u/InvisibleAK74 May 26 '22

The used tank market will be overflowing soon!

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u/_PM_ME_YOUR_SYNTAX_ May 26 '22

2 for one deal at AMMU-NATION

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb May 26 '22

I mean..it was made in russia

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u/Andersledes May 26 '22

Yeah, Ukraine probably have more Russian tanks than guns per 100 population by now.

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u/wowspare May 26 '22

Not really since legally speaking, the moment a civilian picks up arms and starts fighting against another state, he/she is no longer considered a civilian.

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u/dr_auf May 26 '22

They are combatants because they signed on to the territorial defense forces. Not that Russia cares about their status as combatants…

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u/Necessary-Meringue-1 May 26 '22

I'm sure this is guns in civilian ownership

even with the war, I doubt Ukraine has 1 gun per civilian in civilian ownership

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u/whatever_person May 26 '22

Most of them are not privately owned.

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u/TimeZarg May 26 '22

I mean, there was an uptick in citizen-owned weaponry right before the invasion, as people tried to personally be prepared for an invasion. I don't know how much of an increase, but there definitely had to have been one.

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u/davidgrayPhotography May 26 '22

I also hear that tank ownership among civilians has skyrocketed.

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u/mouder61 May 26 '22

Brazil looks so peaceful... You wouldn't even imagine our murder rates are higher than literal war zones...

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u/jikflet May 26 '22 This

This map is a joke. It make my country , Colombia. looks more peaceful than Iceland or Norway.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

Gun ownership doesn't correlate with peaceful, clearly.

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u/sndpmgrs May 26 '22

I would have thought Afghanistan and Mexico would be higher.

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u/WonderSql May 26 '22

There is only one legal gun store in Mexico.

Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Mexico

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u/Drougen May 26 '22

Then how did the cartels get so many guns?

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u/TacticalDM OC: 1 May 26 '22

Illegally running them from the US. No joke.

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u/SemillaDelMal May 26 '22

Most of them are legally bought in the USA and then smuggled in to Mexico... being neighbours with the richest country on earth, wich is also huge on drug consumption and the biggest gun market its kind of a problem for us

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u/LetThemEatSkate May 26 '22

You guys should build a wall.

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u/shardikprime May 26 '22

And make them pay for it

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u/86gwrhino May 26 '22

or the ATF gives the cartels guns

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u/koolaid7431 May 26 '22 Wholesome

Look up Operation Fast and Furious.

ATF gave up 1000s of guns to "track them to cartels" to know who to arrest. Then they just said...welp we lost them dang guns. Like 2000 of them if I remember correctly.

They do this shit all the time. Pretend to place a sting operation and then just "lose" the stuff. The CIA did the same shit with pallets of money in Afghanistan. This is how they keep silently funding the cartels and warlords who will destabilize their neighbors to create a cheap work force.

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u/j_ly May 26 '22

The DEA literally cut a deal with the Sinaloa Drug Cartel. Ozark is more of a documentary than a fictitious television series.

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u/myaccountsaccount12 May 26 '22

I mean, the CIA one makes more sense. “Lose” the money in afghanistan and use it to fund a coup against a democratically elected leader.

The money was going to terrorists anyways. Let’s give it to the ones we like

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb May 26 '22

Also, having a government that keeps the populace stuck in developing status because they want to keep paying their maids and butlers cheap wages doesn't help.

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u/jpz1194 May 26 '22

Or legally, as a plan to...uhhh...trace them? Check out operation fast and furious and the ATFs brilliant strategy for combatting the cartels.

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u/WonderSql May 26 '22

From the mexican military members taking them with them when they go AWOL.

From programs in the US, like Fast and Furious https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/eric-holder-contempt-of-congress-and-fast-and-furious-what-you-need-to-know/258783/

They didn't buy them legally.

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u/vargo17 May 26 '22

Remember how we just left billions of dollars of guns in Afghanistan? We and the Soviets did that everywhere. They're tracing a good portion of these select fire weapons back to Vietnam. And I'd bet good money we'll be finding arms we ditched in Afghanistan flooding criminal organizations for the next 30 years.

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u/pablonieve May 26 '22

They're not buying them from the legal gun store. Surprise, I know.

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u/kmo9e May 26 '22

The ATF has funneled some to them in the past.

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u/partyhardcake May 26 '22

it should be added that during the early 1900s mexico had a higher gun ownership than the US and much like the US, gun rights are part of the constitution however, guns were (in practice) banned after the tlatelolco massacre when the mexican army killed 300+ university students for protesting, the government, fearing a civil rebellion, made the right to own weapons illegal

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u/WonderSql May 26 '22

That's a pretty interesting bit of background as to way they are so restricted.

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u/Marina_07 May 26 '22

In 26 years I've never seen a gun in Mexico other than those owned by police and military. Violence is very localized and most people live in cities where they might have never seen a civilian gun.

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u/Jefferson-Steelflex1 May 26 '22

My in laws live in Belize and it’s very similar. Even having a bullet in your possession is a big deal. Guns can be acquired for hunting and livestock control but they are relatively expensive and cumbersome to obtain.

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u/Tinidril May 26 '22

The same for me in the US actually, if you add the rifle range. It all depends on where in the country you live.

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u/SuperSMT OC: 1 May 26 '22

Same here in new england. Aside from a few hunters withe rifles up north, i don't remember ever seeing a civilian with a gun

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u/Ninenails98 May 27 '22

NOT the same in the deep south. It was fairly common to see someone open carrying a handgun

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u/nature_remains May 26 '22

Same. And South Africa was among the lowest? I guess I'd always heard they were so prevalent there

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u/GaiusJuliusCaesar7 May 26 '22

When I went there, the man looking after the lions had a stick but the man guarding the pharmacy near my uncle's house had a pump-action shotgun, bulletproof vest, and a bandolier with extra ammunition.

Coming from the UK and seeing so many firearms was very weird for me!

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u/InvisibleAK74 May 26 '22

This counts legally owned and registered firearms only.

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u/Megalomania192 May 26 '22

No where in the source does it say that.

This is in fact an estimate of all Small Arms including unregistered, criminal and 'homemade' firearms.

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb May 26 '22

It's not a federal gun registry, but the firearms industry gets very detailed data from their resellers. In fact, if you wanted to make a dent in illegal sales of firearms, you could just pressure them to do something with that data. It'd probably make a big dent, for awhile at least, in firearms crime by people who can't legally buy, since it's a small number of resellers who are just pumping out the firearms that get used by gangs. Most retailers will be on the watch for straw purchases, it's bad for business, but some don't care and they just shovel them out the doors.

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u/elementbutt May 26 '22

Then why is Yemen so high I doubt they keep thorough record

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u/Imyourlandlord May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

Gun ownership in yemen is also part of the culture, someone showing off a custom made rifle in a wedding is as normal as carrying a ceremonial ornamented dagger

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u/OrgyInTheBurnWard May 26 '22

Registration is generally not permitted in the U.S. due to FOPA, although some states do find loopholes around it.

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u/SpecialistEstate4181 May 26 '22

I thought Brazil is full of guns….

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u/martlet1 May 26 '22

It is. America just keeps track.

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u/Living-Pair-5003 May 26 '22

Exactly. Here in Brazil, most guns come through the black market. Black market is not even black down here anymore.

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u/jdPetacho May 26 '22

Damn, they even gentrified the market, nothing is safe anymore, smh

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u/Ghroznak May 26 '22

What type of guns though?

Norway is gold but majority of guns here are hunting rifles (bolt actions or small magazines) and shotguns (max 3 shells in pump/semi autos).

Also a variety of 4,5mm and 5mm air guns (if those are even counted in this).

Be more interesting to see amount of handguns per 100.

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u/Nox_Dei May 26 '22

Swiss here, mostly military issued assault rifles.

Yes we have a lot of guns per capita... And no we don't have many firearms crimes.

Due to these weapons being from our mandatory military training, their owners at least have some gun-education.

Source: SIG550 in my closet

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

Do they tell you how to store your weapon? Like, in a locked cabinet, bullets in a separate place, rifle taken apart, maintained constantly?

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u/Nox_Dei May 26 '22

Yes.

Key's around my neck with my dogtag.

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u/KaufJ OC: 1 May 26 '22

If it's a military issued rifle you won't get any ammo for keeping at home. You used to get so-called "Taschenmunition" (pocket ammunition) which you kept at home between your services, but not anymore nowadays.

If I remember correctly, a part of why it is not issued anymore is because there have been several family homicides committed with that ammo.

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u/Nox_Dei May 26 '22

They were a few incidents that were enough for military issued ammunition to not be given with the weapon.

However it is still relatively easy to buy your own civilian-crafted ammo, provided a background check and you being registered for it.

I bought some from my local armory.

Edit: I might add that the "difference" is that if someone were to loose their shit now, the idea is that the government didn't "give" you the ammo for it.

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u/smokeeye May 26 '22

If it's a caliber over 5.5 (or maybe 4.5) you have to register airguns IIRC.

edit: Found this (Norwegian) - which says airguns with a 5.5+ caliber must be registered. It's from 2009 though, so maybe something has changed since then, I dunno.

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u/Uberzwerg May 26 '22

Hunting rifles all across Germany and Austria as well.
It's nearly impossible to have any legal use for anything else outside of registered gun ranges (eg. Schützenverein) and regulations for storing and transporting are very strict.
And don't even think about owning an automatic firearm.

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u/Rip_6319 May 26 '22

Austria has less strict gun laws than Germany though. You can own bolt action or break action guns without a lisence there for example. Which is the reason that Austria is so brown in this map.

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u/StrangeShark408 May 26 '22

don't even think about owning an automatic firearm.

Contrary to what the media has told you, it's incredibly difficult and expensive to own an automatic firearm in the US. Base cost of entry for the weapon itself is atleast $10k and that's before the licensing and permitting required, that also typically takes up to a year to process.

AR does not stand for Automatic Rifle, despite how scary looking they find it.

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u/vainbetrayal May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

I usually hear AR as Assault Rifle, when most don’t know it stands for the name of the American manufacturer.

Now the media just calls them “assault-type weapons”

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u/StrangeShark408 May 26 '22

it stands for the name of the German manufacturer.

No. Definitely an American manufacturer. It stands for Armalite Rifle.

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u/Saxit May 26 '22

Getting a firearm for sporting use is easier in Germany than getting one for hunting, if you have a little more time anyways.

The German hunter's exam is somewhat difficult and requires a bit of studying.

For sport you join a club, shoot once a month for 12 months, do a 20 minute written test and then you can go and buy 2 handguns and an AR-15 that you can store at home.

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u/Sould6 May 26 '22

No one actually uses automatics, not even the damn military uses the automatic function for the rifles. Half the time it exists to make the non professional side lose their ammo faster. But man is it a scary talking point for politicians wanting to secure a meal ticket

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u/nom-nom-nom-de-plumb May 26 '22

For the record, automatic firearms aren't "easy" to get in the usa, legally at least. The procedure is, you send forms into the ATF to get special permission, wait about a year while they verify everything from your balls to your back teeth, then when you get permission, you pay about 20-30k for an m16.

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u/donaltman3 May 26 '22

These shootings aren't using Automatic or Assault Rifles.. they are using semi automatic sporting rifles. You have to pull the trigger each time you want the rifle to fire.

The media has labeled any rifle that is black or synthetic an "assault style weapon." I use black synthetic guns in the deer woods and also on duck slews.. they hold up better to the environment. They look scary to someone that doesn't know much about guns.... but are no different than the wooden stock rifles.

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u/Altruistic_Leader_42 May 26 '22

This looks very inaccurate

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u/Abaraji May 26 '22

The data is from 2017 and even then there is absolutely no one who knows exactly how many firearms are in Yemen

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u/AhpSek May 26 '22 Silver Take My Energy

It's very inaccurate, and it's using a useless number (firearms per capita) to talk about gun-ownership, which everyone thinks is the problem.

26% of Canadian's own at least one firearm.

32% of Americans own at least one firearm.

The only reason to use per-capita is to jack up the U.S. as an outlier. It doesn't matter if a person owns one or a 1,000.

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u/theouterworld May 26 '22

That just means the average gun owner in the US owns 3.75 guns

68% of the country own zero guns, and then 32% own 3-4. Seems like a totally normal thing.

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u/0430ke OC: 1 May 26 '22

Why wouldn't it be normal? Most hunters own more than one gun. A shotgun is used for different things than a rifle is used for, as well as a .22. Thats 3 different guns right there for 3 different reasons. That's still not even counting if they have a hand gun for self defense.

Most hunters also don't just have guns for themselves, but for other hunters in the house. They also might replace older guns with newer ones. Have collection items, etc.

3 per owner is completely normal.

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u/nateactually May 26 '22

I'm Canadian and I own exactly one of each of those. Use a rifle for hunting deer, a shotgun for hunting ducks and a .22 (which I know is technically a rifle) for hunting Grouse.

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u/Bellex_BeachPeak May 26 '22

I own the same three guns. But also an SKS(because Canadian). So four total. Most of my friends with guns have 3-4. That's a perfectly normal number for a casual shooter/hunter.

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u/Atomic_ad May 26 '22

How many of those are simply collectors guns? I have a shotgun and 3 rifles for hunting various game, 2 handguns because ammo is outrageous and .22 is good for the range but nothing else. My other guns are all collectors pieces, guns my grandfather brought back from WWII, and a few museum quality pieces that will never be fired.

Owning 3-4 guns is not that outrageous if you are a hunter or genuine collector of guns.

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u/noahdyj May 26 '22

Using gray as actual data-representing color is kind of not the smartest decision when it is usually used to show "no data available"

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u/Ascenser May 26 '22

Remember when we had actual beautiful data on here? It seems like every post nowadays is just plain graphs with coloured lines or plain maps with coloured countries.

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u/Necessary_Quarter_59 May 26 '22

How to make it to the front page of /r/dataisbeautiful:

  1. Pick a topical issue
  2. Visualize the data, but make it not beautiful
  3. Wait for the upvotes to come raining in

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u/axesOfFutility May 26 '22

Or add animation/video to a line chart which is perfectly capable of capturing the time element

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u/lolwutpear May 26 '22

I'm upvoting your post because it literally angered me when I was reading it.

The boring/ugly/political posts just make me sigh, but the videos... I'm not going to waste three minutes of my life because you don't know how to make a graph properly.

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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

Don't forget to use odd colour changes! Multi coloured gradients are problematic unless centered around a point chosen for a reason (zero, previous day close, maybe avg, etc.), but choosing 15-20 as the arbitrary colour switch point is just downright deceiving. Makes the 5 difference between 15 and 20 look like a larger gap than anything 20+

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u/newnamesam May 26 '22

1a. Pick an incendiary topic 1b. Don't bother with accuracy, it just slows you down.

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u/ThoseThingsAreWeird May 26 '22

Remember when we had actual beautiful data on here?

Amazing posts like Hours of daylight as a function of day of the year and latitude or 3 months of playing Minecraft on a multiplayer hardcore world visualized! seem few and far between, but there certainly have been decent posts recently (<1 year ago):

That last one probably falls into your definition of "not beautiful", but I give it a pass for being hand-drawn and because it's someone's personally useful data that looks pretty neat.

At a guess it's probably the pandemic causing a proliferation of boring data; "here's even more covid data", a lot of which is easily shown as a coloured country / US state, or as a line graph. I'm hoping that in a few years once we've analysed the pandemic a lot more we'll have some cool infographics that are able to compare various bits of pandemic related data.

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u/Zerasad May 26 '22

Exactly. What's up with the groupings. One group is 0-15, and around 75% of countries fall into this group. Then another group is just 15-20, which only a couple countries fall into, and which is GRAY, the same color as no data. And then you have 20-120 which is orange, meaning the color scheme would suggest that the blue and orange countries are on opposite polars, but it's just high and low values of the same scale.

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u/ohmygot May 26 '22

Yeah, kinda seems like someone with an agenda threw this together. Data is beautiful and easily manipulated to paint a narrative. Hmm

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u/pooryxa May 26 '22

Estimated civilian owned firearms " that we know about "

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u/DizzyDeezler May 26 '22

This is horribly inaccurate.

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u/radome9 May 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Notice Australia is very blue. Australia used to have lots of guns, but then they had a horrible mass shooting and the government took away the guns.

And that greatly reduced the problem - in the 26 years since then, only 37 persons have been murdered in mass shootings. That's less than 2 persons per year, on average.

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u/grumd May 26 '22

I want to point out that Australia is not "very blue". Lighter blue actually means more guns. More saturated blue means fewer guns. Grey is more than blue. This color scheme is terrible.

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u/Malky_10 May 26 '22

Also check where the colors are on the scale. If the scheme is blue-grey-gold, you would expect grey to be in the middle, around 50. Instead its probably less than 25. Basically this graph is designed to make few countries look like terrible outliers.

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u/fokke456 May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

If you were to put the gray at 50, all countries except for the US and Yemen would be a tint of light blue, which would be terrible.

The worst part of the current colour scheme is that the scale goes to 100 guns per 100 people, but the US has 120 guns per 100 people.

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u/bullboner May 26 '22

We also export a very high number of livestock. The majority of gun ownership in Australia is for pest control/culling and hunting.

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u/DarkLink1065 May 26 '22

It's probably worth noting that in the 20 years before the Port Arthur shooting, there were only ballpark ~40 deaths as well, give or take. Australia didn't really have a mass shooting problem to begin with. Also, the Port Arthur shooting is the only mass shooting that has killed more than ~10 people. The overall trend of "minor" mass shootings is generally unchanged, and in terms of "major" mass shootings there's only the one data point so you can't really draw any conclusions, at least with regards to mass shootings.

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u/godelski May 26 '22

I honestly wish people would talk about gun statistics at times other than mass shootings and when emotions are high. It is a complex and multifaceted problem that people are vastly oversimplifying. Suicides, homicides, gang violence, and school shootings have different causal relationships just just get lumped together as "gun deaths" and I'm not sure how we can do that when there are so many statistical paradoxes that we're fully aware of that are due to data aggregation.

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u/RedNotch May 26 '22

To be fair talking about death as a statistic is a very gloomy conversation, I get why people steer clear of it unless there is an incident.

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u/ellothere1204 May 26 '22

I def not in favour of guns(I am not American)

But in the same wiki page you linked, there is an entire sub division on how uneffective the NFA was.

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u/CanadianGunner May 26 '22

But in the same wiki page you linked, there is an entire sub division on how uneffective the NFA was.

If I don’t read it, does it really exist?

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u/waspus2021 May 26 '22

Notice Canada is orange and yet we have extremely few shootings as well - there is a solution that is not simply taking all the guns.

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u/lordofthedries May 26 '22

Australian gun ownership is at its highest its ever been. We have restrictions on types of fire arms and rigorous checks on owners.

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u/Josquius OC: 2 May 26 '22

Seem to be conflating two seperate but similar things here. Firearm deaths as a whole and mass shootings.

Also worth noting that changing a factor and something happening unrelated to that factor merely means inconclusive evidence, not evidence to the contrary.

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u/critical-thoughts May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

No guns in Rusia or elsewhere in Africa? How about in Brazil?

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u/busdriverbuddha2 OC: 1 May 26 '22

It's super hard to get a gun legally in Brazil.

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u/95CJH May 26 '22

Aotearoa New Zealand is a surprise to me

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u/kiwirish May 26 '22

Importantly, this is from a survey two years before the Christchurch masacre where sweeping gun control reform was voted in 119-1 in the NZ Parliament.

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u/PH0T0Nman May 26 '22

Lots of farmers, lots of hunting rifles but overall good and responsible gun culture, fairly stiff background checks and gun license required.

A funny/not funny story is once upon a time the majority of guns in NZ were registered but the registrations kept falling into gang hands so they basically had a list of what houses to hit for rifles. Apparently it was such a problem we ended up getting rid of it which I have mixed feelings about…

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u/ham_coffee May 26 '22

A family member of mine was robbed a couple of times many years ago with his gun safes targeted both times, he suspected for exactly that reason.

Also, I suspect registration efforts aren't gonna go too well. A lot of people have significantly reduced trust after the removal of the MSSA licence endorsement.

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u/SuperSaiyanRonaldo May 26 '22

Nobody talks about Mexico the country with a high murder rate and no legal guns.

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u/anonimogeronimo May 26 '22

America is the only country in red. Suck it, the rest of the world.

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u/GeerJonezzz May 26 '22

Number 1 Again baby KKona 👏🏾

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u/In1earOutYourMother May 26 '22

I only know 1 person who owns a gun. Do people who own guns usually own many guns? I wonder what the stat on that might be.

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u/Destroyer_Wes May 26 '22

Not everyone in America has a firearm, just the people who do have enough for a small army.

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u/RogueFox771 May 26 '22

Uhm... This estimate seems a bit off... Should probably specify the dataset description to be what... Legally owned only I assume?

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u/SavedMountain May 26 '22

This is inaccurate. Way more firearms in Latin America

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