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[OC] Every High School Baseball Field Used in the State of Hawaii OC

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u/LoneStarDawg Nov 28 '22

RIP RH HR hitters at Kalani HS. 750 ft? Woof!

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u/REO_Studwagon Nov 28 '22

I looked this one up just because it’s so oddly shaped. The outline is really the park fence. Left field doesn’t seem to have a fence for a portion and the outline includes a kids play area.

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u/FC37 Nov 28 '22

Are they at the Aina Haina park? Yeah, there are some trees between the playground and the fields.

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u/the_eerdverk Nov 29 '22

Got to be here

Kāhala Baseball Field https://maps.app.goo.gl/7hxLG3mf9gUxxzDe8?g_st=ic

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u/REO_Studwagon Nov 29 '22

Yeah, that fits. So the shape includes a softball field out in left.

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u/zachsmthsn Nov 29 '22

Yo, dawg...

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u/imhereforthevotes Nov 29 '22

To hit a home run, you have to hit TWO home runs

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u/BenjaminHamnett Nov 29 '22

Thought he hit a home run, but started on 3rd base...

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u/thiney49 Nov 29 '22

There isn't a bounding fence, so it's kind fi arbitrary as to what is claimed to be the size of the baseball field vs the entire green space.

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u/JoeSicko Nov 29 '22

They have to declare ground rules before the game.

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u/Confirmation_By_Us Nov 29 '22

That’s obvious, but a grounder is never going to reach this far! We’re going to need outfield rules in addition to ground rules.

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u/LetterSwapper Nov 29 '22

I'm on the fence about all this...

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u/BlazerOrb Nov 29 '22

You found the fence? Nice!

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u/FC37 Nov 29 '22

Ahhh, that's it. Thanks! There's such a big green space by the soccer fields, I was focused on it being on that side of Kalanianaole.

That elementary school is on one expensive piece of real estate!

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u/LineChef Nov 29 '22

Well, that is just flavored false advertising…

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u/REO_Studwagon Nov 28 '22

My guess was Wilson Park as it’s closer and the fence line looks similar.

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u/landodk Nov 29 '22

Left field goes all the way to another field, little league dimensions maybe?

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u/hoguemr Nov 29 '22

In highschool one of the schools we played didn't have a fence. Just open field with a barn in it. You could hit a home run pretty easily if you were fast.

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u/taleofbenji Nov 29 '22

696 feet is the practical limit!

https://youtu.be/Q_F9CxSmGOM

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u/ActualWhiterabbit Nov 29 '22

I've been waiting for him to combine the bat machine and the ball cannon.

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u/hoguemr Nov 29 '22

Add in Stuff Made Here's bat too

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u/ActualWhiterabbit Nov 29 '22

I don't think it could withstand the additional force of a supersonic baseball when it blows itself apart hitting from a tee. How Ridiculous made a helicopter design with bigger bats that could work but I think it wouldn't spin fast enough to work.

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u/hoguemr Nov 29 '22

Just a few more months(or years) or integration hell and they'll get there

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u/KJ6BWB OC: 12 Nov 29 '22

You mean 717'. They remeasured optically, whatever that means.

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u/SplinTurd Nov 29 '22

That means they gave it an ocular patdown and it passed, not a threat.

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u/DuckAHolics Nov 29 '22

That machine absolutely pissed on it too!

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u/Jac1596 Nov 29 '22

You could probably still get a bunch of inside the park HR if you have some speed. Just hit it over the left fielder and he’ll be chasing that for a while. Even a canon arm will need a cut off man just to make it close

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u/BostonClippers Nov 29 '22

Yeah, that’s also not a fun park for the OFs

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u/rytis Nov 29 '22

I played softball for many years in fields with no fence. If you could line one over the outfielders head you could easily run it out for a HR. But to me the oddest field I played at had a short fence in right field, and the rule was if you hit it over the fence, it was an out.

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u/Beetin OC: 1 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

If you hit it to the fence you don't even need to worry about the throw. If the fielder starts at about ~260 ft out (very deep), and the total base paths are 360 ft to run, he has to potentially travel 500 ft while you are running the base paths just to get to the ball. So even on balls that don't make it to the fence, you could be touching home by the time he picks up the ball, let alone his team makes 2-3 200 foot throws (another 6-8 seconds).

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u/trumpet575 Nov 29 '22

There's also a narrow sliver if you cranked it to left center it could go over the wall and then drop back into the field of play behind there lol.

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u/wrxwrx Nov 29 '22

That's basically an inside the park HR...

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u/Sheffield484 Nov 29 '22

Someone could hit TWO inside-the-park HR there.

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u/Tamer_ Nov 29 '22

Not really, a line drive past the outfielder and you'll be home before the ball comes back into view.

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u/James_Bondage0069 Nov 29 '22

a good line drive over the left fielder would be an EZ inside the park home run though

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u/N0S0UP_4U Nov 29 '22

Better learn to hit left handed.

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u/lincolnliberal Nov 29 '22

The anti-Camden Yards

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u/TheRealMoofoo Nov 29 '22

Imagine them getting wrecked for a few years by some beefy right-handed pull hitter and just deciding, “NEVER AGAIN.”

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u/Reelplayer Nov 28 '22

I have to ask what's up with Lanakila Baptist and Kalani that they have such ridiculously deep fences?

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u/PapaChoff Nov 28 '22

I wonder if it’s like my HS where we didn’t actually have a fence. Just had to leg it out if you got it over the LF.

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u/autovonbismarck Nov 29 '22

I played at a field where if it rolled down the hill into the drainage ditch, it was a GR Double, but if it didn't bounce before it landed in the ditch it was a homerun lol.

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u/autovonbismarck Nov 29 '22

If you're not familiar with a "Ground Rule Double" it means that the runner is forced to stay on 2nd, even if they could safely advance.

For example, if a ball bounces on the field of play and then into the stands where a fielder can't reach it, that's a ground rule double in every stadium.

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u/s3DJob7A Nov 29 '22

I'm big dumb

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u/dontaskme5746 Nov 29 '22

Gotta say that some of the most interesting and even enjoyable games are on fields with no fences. The game is so different. Storytime: I became terrible at judging pitch location as I grew taller and pitches flew faster, so write me off in that regard. But give me a slower ball and I can (well, could) put that thing wherever I want, especially with a familiar bat.

 

Fast forward past high school to co-ed softball. The kind with extra fielders everywhere. And once, no fences. Now we are talking VERY different. IIRC, rules included enforced boy-girl-boy-girl batting order and ground balls being automatic outs for guys. The more capable players get relegated to the outfield, which means that runners and at-bats still pile up due to infield difficulties. Most of the guys routinely get out because they keep trying to crank it over an outfield that is relatively crowded with people and can back up as much as they want. Cue the cliche my-time-has-come music.

 

I am on base every time because I keep dinking the ball into gaps for singles or whatever. By the time my sixth or whatever at-bat comes around, the outfield has shifted in on me enough to doom themselves with the bases loaded. I get the guilty pleasure of measuring up the deepest left fielder and driving it over his head where he can't catch it even at a sprint. I think I made it home that time, but can't remember. You see, in these co-ed games, the bases were almost always loaded, or, more accurately, crowded. With the gals that couldn't hit it hard enough to fly out. #whatahero

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u/isarl Nov 29 '22

Great story, thanks for sharing!

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u/Tiek00n OC: 1 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Looking at OP's Twitter for Ohio, I assume it's like https://twitter.com/davehrus/status/1521990335680978946/photo/4 where the fence is really there for something else but it's combined with the baseball field. At a glance both of them potentially seem like they could be football/soccer fields that share the same field as the baseball field. (direct image link if that above doesn't work https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR8xVRXWQAIiJZn?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

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u/False_Creek Nov 29 '22

OK, so it's just the outfield that's shaped like that, not the actual diamond?

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u/Tiek00n OC: 1 Nov 29 '22

That's the fence boundary, you can see the diamond shape in the original image. In the Twitter posts (or maybe it was another comment here) OP explains that only fields with actual fences qualify, but they don't distinguish between fences that are specifically for the baseball field only vs. fences that surround/enclose the baseball field as well as another field.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

Kalani plays some home games at a public park that is joined as a field and softball field with no fencing in between them, which results in this massive shape.

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u/Limu_emu_69 Nov 29 '22

Everyone from those schools is Dwayne The Rock Johnson

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u/mrbkkt1 Nov 29 '22

Kalani, is a public high school, which doesn't have their own field, so they play down the road at Kahala park, which doesn't have a fence. so they added on the extra field.
Lanakila Baptist, is a small private school, so if you play baseball, it's part of Pac 5, and they play at Ala Wai, Central Oahu Regional Park or Goeas field in Hawaii kai. I'm assuming they use Ala Wai, because it's a "square" field. Including them, makes no sense though, since they don't have their own baseball field. I used to watch the high schoolers play at CORP, since I live down the street, when I used to take my kids to the park. Baseball, is baseball, and I will always love watching it.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22 Helpful

This took an egregious amount of time, so I hope you all enjoy it! I am currently plotting, measuring, and visualizing every single high school baseball field in the United States. I currently have all of the data for Ohio, Utah, Hawaii, and West Virginia (currently working on Maine). This is my first iteration of this type of graphic. Ohio's version is done but needs to be reformatted. Here are the other works of mine showcasing the weirdest fields of the states I listed previously:

All of these can also be found on my Twitter. Enjoy everyone :)

Sources: Google Maps, Hawaii High School Athletic Association, scoringlive.com

Tools: Google Sheets, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop

Edit: The Ka’u far LF distance is actually 462 feet, not 600.

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u/smauryholmes Nov 28 '22

Holy shit man this is awesome. Any insights on your process? Do you do this by hand in Photoshop? I’ve had an idea for something similar but have always been dissuaded by the idea of manually drawing the fields.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 28 '22

Traced them all in Illustrator

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u/FasterDoudle Nov 29 '22

Damn! Respect, that's pretty labor intensive for a project this big

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u/soil_nerd Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

A better tool for this would be ArcGIS, or it’s free cousin QGIS. Each playfield (polygon) would effectively be a data point in a database that you could easily run bulk geometry calculations on (finding area), and also see on a map, and much more (both programs are very powerful geographic data visualization tools)

You could also do all of this in OpenStreetMap or one of its open source editors like JOSM, then run a filter for tags of those features (probably something like “playfield” or “baseball field”) in Overpass Turbo. One cool thing about this option is all your work would be visible and usable by the general public forever.

By the way, how did you calculate area? Illustrator doesn’t natively perform that function as it doesn’t have an engine to project geography. There are however third party apps that will perform this task.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

I honestly love manually outlining them and researching to find them. It's time-consuming and straining sometimes but I really enjoy it.

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u/soil_nerd Nov 29 '22

You would still need to do this in QGIS, it would just be saved in a database on your computer that takes into account geography, so your drawing is accurately placed on the earth, and can thus be used for geographic calculations or can be easily transferred to a map or other GIS platform.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

Is there any tutorials you recommend for it? Because I’ve tried learning it so many times and I just cannot for the life of me figure it out. Which is really annoying because I love mapping and want to learn it but every tutorial I’ve found has just not been helpful for me.

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u/ModerateMofo Nov 29 '22

Do you specifically want to use QGIS, or are you open to using ESRI's software (ArcMap or ArcPro)? I could drop a link to a good course that uses Arc if you are interested.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

I have no idea what that means. I would like to know QGIS though.

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u/soil_nerd Nov 29 '22

This is tough, I have a minor in it from college and it took me a few classes to get the hang of how it all works.

I’m sure you can YouTube something like “intro to GIS” and there will be tutorials though.

The basics of what you need to do are:

  • install QGIS
  • save a new project
  • create a new feature (a polygon shapefile), this is a separate file (really several files in one folder) that will contain your ballfields drawings
  • add an imagery layer (like Bing aerial imagery or similar)
  • edit the shapefile, as in draw your ballfields

In a Shapefile, there is also metadata, called an attribute table. Each ballfield can have all sorts of data associated with it, like a name, size, type, adjacent high school, etc. You can also run calculations on this data, like which one is closest to a river (or whatever you can think of), or how large they are, and so much more.

You’ll also want to be aware that in a GIS system everything is projected… meaning you are seeing a 2D rendering of a 3D world. You have to choose what projection to use for everything, and not one is perfect in all ways. It’d probably be easiest for you to go with WGS 1984 at first, as it’s the de facto world wide standard, but area calculations can be less accurate when using it. For very accurate area calculations you would use whats called a state plane system, like “State Plane California South”.

Hopefully that helps a little. It’s not an easy program to learn unfortunately, but you are really working on a GIS problem, and it would greatly benefit you to use a GIS.

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u/FastRunner- Nov 29 '22

+1 for QGIS or ArcGIS. This is exactly what GIS software is made for.

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u/oroechimaru Nov 29 '22

I could do this with pencil but I like op’s better.

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u/PandaPandamonium Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Learn ArcGIS, it's designed exactly to take out this grunt work and lots of free bootcamps to teach you it found on youtube.

Edit: just saw someone else commented the same thing

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u/WesternOne9990 Nov 29 '22

On r/Minnesota there was a guy posting pictures of amateur baseball fields throughout our state, it was awesome to see the variation and almost beauty of them.

This post reminded me of that a lot. Good luck with doing every high school field! are you doing every feild used for games or just varsity fields?

i dont even play or aatch baseball, shout out to the youtuber jomboy media for getting me into it.

also i have to ask, why? i love it

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u/formerlyanonymous_ Nov 29 '22

Holy hell. I can't imagine doing TX. And all the alternate parks they play at. Most schools in the cities have not just parks at their schools, but alternate ones for underclassmen games. I'm guessing you just use varsity fields?

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

I'm truly not looking forward to PA, TX, CA, NY and FL. I'm knocking out all of the smaller states right now, but I'll get to them eventually. It also doesn't help that I'm currently in my final year of college.

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u/euphomaniac Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I was thinking the same thing. In my corner of NY, a fair number of schools play their varsity games off-campus due to pretty nice community fields.

Another non-zero number play at off-site in-district fields. For example, varsity baseball plays at the middle school where there is a larger field.

This is a huge project and I’m into it. Great work.

To give an idea of scope, in NYSPHSAA (so not incl any NYC or NYC catholic or unaffiliated prep schools) splits the state into 11 geographic regions. The one where I live, which includes 15 counties and most of the 315 area code, has a population around 1,150,000. Hawaii’s state population is around 1,420,000. So probably a similar number of schools, give or take.

Hang onto these images, I’ve thought about how cool it would be to sell posters with this kind of localized data on Etsy. This is a ton of work and you could probably capitalize on it.

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u/americangame Nov 29 '22

This reminds me of the question, "How do you eat an elephant?" One bite at a time.

To make it easier on you, I would suggest doing the bigger states in chunks. Maybe a northern California, Bay area, SoCal without LA, and then LA. Then once you're done with all the pieces, put them together.

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u/6hooks Nov 29 '22

You can maybe keep your sanity (and possibly avoid an overwhelmed chart) by doing top 50 HS in those states of some metric.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

Well, I've already done the data for Ohio, which has 741 fields, which is roughly about 15x the amount of Hawaii. It's just a matter of doing it.

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u/6hooks Nov 29 '22

Badass. Definitely agree with the other commenter that you should etsy this up

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u/AlbertanSundog Nov 29 '22

As others have mentioned - ArcGIS or QGIS. Investing the time to learn how to do this will pay off in dividends for you. Between those programs and freely available satellite imagery, all you would have to do is some minor clean up to auto generated polygons. Otherwise suck starting a shotgun will start to look attractive around CA or PA..

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u/danathecount Nov 28 '22

This is the shit I come here for!

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u/rafaelloaa Nov 29 '22

I was about to post "you'd like this person on r/baseball who talks about weird HS fields", before I realized that was you. Small world.

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u/Ambiwlans Nov 29 '22

I am currently plotting, measuring, and visualizing every single high school baseball field in the United States.

Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

(not being rude, sub doesn't allow short comments)

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u/aelysium Nov 29 '22

My high school made the list for Ohio’s weirdest lmfao

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u/FeelDeAssTyson Nov 29 '22

PLEASE team up with Jon Bois. He could turn this data into a 2-hour captivating documentary.

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u/EbMinor33 Nov 29 '22

Can i ask why

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u/Norwest Nov 28 '22

It always blows me away that baseball (and cricket) field size isn't standardized like it is for all other major sports. It's understandable in high school sports, etc. But the fact this variability extends all the way up to the major leagues is just really odd.

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u/HellsMalice Nov 29 '22

It used to be way worse based on the legacy stadiums you can play in in MLB The Show. Some of those fields are just ridiculous. One pretty much guarantees an in-field home run if hit to a corner...

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u/PelorTheBurningHate Nov 29 '22

The polo grounds were the funniest stadium in existence

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u/boston_beer_man Nov 29 '22

Soccer fields are different dimensions as well as long as they fit certain criteria.

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u/Shoop83 Nov 29 '22

IFAB laws of the game

Law 1.3 dimensions

The touchline must be longer than the goal line.

Length (touchline):

minimum 90 m (100 yds)

maximum 120 m (130 yds)

Length (goal line):

minimum 45 m (50 yds)

maximum 90 m (100 yds)

Competitions may determine the length of the goal line and touchline within the above dimensions.

Law 1.4 dimensions for international matches

Length (touchline):

minimum 100 m (110 yds)

maximum 110 m (120 yds)

Length (goal line):

minimum 64 m (70 yds)

maximum 75 m (80 yds)

Competitions may determine the length of the goal line and touchline within the above dimensions.

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u/Kalmer1 Nov 29 '22

So what you're saying is... we can have non-international games on a 90mx90m square

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u/coyets Nov 29 '22

No, it cannot be square because the touchline must be longer than the goal line. However, it seems as though non-international games could be played on a 90.01mx90m rectangle or on a 90mx89.99m rectangle.

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u/Kalmer1 Nov 29 '22

Close enough to a square for me :D I kind of want to see something like that one day lmao

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u/SANPres09 Nov 29 '22

Haha, yeah, pretty much. I always joked with the other referees during training that maybe this was the year we would see a square field.

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u/Shoop83 Nov 29 '22

I think so.

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u/VeilsAndWails Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Wait so can we make a 90x 89.9 m soccer field? Nearly square soccer could be interesting. Would be good for old people maybe. Less length relative to the horizontal area for trickery and shenanigans

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u/Shoop83 Nov 29 '22

I believe so, yes.

Oddly the international law doesn't say the length must be greater than the width.

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u/asquires90 Nov 29 '22

The shortest length allowed is greater than the longest width. So it's not needed.

100m x 75m

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u/Shoop83 Nov 29 '22

Ah, ha! So it is.

I can read, I swear.

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u/spikebrennan Nov 29 '22

Lacrosse used to have no outer boundaries at all.

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u/brewmonk Nov 29 '22

And this is for a sport that absolutely loves stats. Barry Bonds hit a majority of his homers in a park with a very short right field. That park was designed for dead pull left handed hitters.

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u/Zombie_John_Strachan Nov 29 '22

And hitters using both steroids and mechanical aides.

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u/jabby88 Nov 28 '22

It's an aspect of the game. Have to know the field you're playing on and adjust accordingly.

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u/MrCleanMagicReach Nov 29 '22

We get that, but the question is "why."

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u/HellsMalice Nov 29 '22

The same reason they still smear the same mud on mlb baseballs they did decades ago.

Tradition

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u/m0_m0ney Nov 29 '22

The reason is because it the fields were confined to the available space. If you look at older “jewel box” era ball parks in cities, they were limited by the space they had available and often had to fit within the existing street spacing so you would have really weird outfield dimensions, Fenway is a good example of this still in play, where they initially would have had a really short left field fence so they built a huge wall, but they had more space towards center and right which allows them to put seats out there. Plus different shaped outfields don’t really effect the game all that much as both teams have to play with the same configurations. This is a pretty uniquely American thing though because if you look at ballparks in Japan they are much more standardized. 100m down the lines and 130m to center I believe in a consistant arc in practically all the NPB stadiums.

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u/Reniconix Nov 29 '22

The outfields absolutely shape the game. Sure both teams are playing the same field, but both teams are likely built to take advantage of their own home field. Fenway is best played by people who can hit the ball high and to the left, which makes for a team build that is great for hitting home runs at home but suffers greatly from pop flys away.

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u/Dempseylicious23 Nov 29 '22

Baseball is just super quirky and not like all the other sports!

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u/jabby88 Nov 29 '22

Tradition? They probably played on any field they had back in the day and then they never made a rule.

Why have they never made a rule? I don't know but having played baseball for over a decade, I like it. It adds variability and strategy. It can affect how outfielders play, pitching strategy and batting strategy, as well as base running.

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u/rharrison Nov 29 '22

Baseball is a game of situations. Imagine if every F1 track was the same.

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u/RedSteadEd Nov 29 '22

That's a very unfair comparison. An MLB player has a different schedule based on their team and plays half their games at their home stadium (which could be an advantage or disadvantage depending on the field). F1 drivers race the same season as every other F1 driver on the grid.

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u/rharrison Nov 29 '22

My point is their playing surface varies and contributes to the outcome of the event.

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u/Dglaky Nov 29 '22

Why not?

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u/imtoocoldforthisshit Nov 29 '22

Yeah, I dont understand the problem here. I think it's awesome. One of my favourite things about baseball.

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u/Dglaky Nov 29 '22

If I'm being honest it might be the only thing I like about baseball

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u/RedSteadEd Nov 29 '22

Because in a sport that uses home runs as a performance metric, it's absolutely bizarre that you have to hit the ball up to 124' further in some parks to get the same home run.

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u/Dglaky Nov 29 '22

Sounds like a shitty performance metric then

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u/Radiant-Reputation31 Nov 29 '22

124ft is the difference between a short right/left field HR and a deep center field HR at different parks. I don't think that's a good number to use here. Every field has a notable difference, usually between 40 and 70ft, between the poles and center field wall.

No field is ever going to have a uniform outfield wall, where right left and center are all the same distances. Some HRs are shorter than others, but that doesn't eliminate their value as a metric.

Some 2pt shots are more difficult than others in basketball, but they still contribute the same to a players ppg. A guy scoring 20ppg on exclusively 20ft fadeaways is more impressive than one scoring 20 on dunks, but the metric doesn't tell you that. All metrics in sports are flawed, this isn't remotely unique to baseball.

Other metrics exist to complement these counting stats for a reason. In baseball launch angle and exit velocity are used in addition to HRs to better understand a player.

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u/PoutinierATrou Nov 29 '22

Because it gives baseball an aspect in which it's better than other sports ;)

But pretty much every stadium has stadium effects, from fiels, weather, gravity, etc. Other stadiums aren't actually completely uniform.

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u/Philly_Phun Nov 29 '22

Because it's awesome

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u/ThoughtlessBanter Nov 29 '22

Ohhh, I see what you mean now...

No one knows, or every will know, it just is.

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u/mynameisalso Nov 29 '22

It's not just hit as hard as possible?

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u/jamintime Nov 29 '22

Another other extreme of this is golf. Sometimes the unique field is what makes the game interesting. See also NASCAR vs Formula 1.

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u/spencerwi Nov 29 '22

Yeah, except that, as another comment pointed out, every F1 driver has the same schedule. The same is not true in baseball, where a team having a shorter home field has a significant advantage because they play there more often, or a team whose schedule has more small fields on it that year has a baseline unearned advantage that is not related to player skill or coaching.

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u/GaryBigMoose Nov 29 '22

If you're in a golf tournament, you'll be playing the same course as all other competitors. If you're in a baseball tournament, you might have a bunch of different teams playing on different fields which may favor some player's play styles. Probably not enough to make any huge difference, but it still is a weird variable to have.

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u/BellerophonM Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Australian Football isn't standardised either, largely because it's designed to be played on cricket grounds. Unlike soccer/association football, the high level of variation continues all the way to the ovals used at the top level of the sport, too, it's just part of the game.

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u/Aeth0s0 Nov 29 '22

I think it’s cool, makes it stand out from other sports

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u/False_Creek Nov 29 '22

Jeez, wait till this guy learns about the existence of soccer...

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u/Th3_Hegemon Nov 29 '22

I don't believe soccer/football fields are uniform either.

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u/QWERTYRedditter Nov 29 '22

they are

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u/PresidentZeus Nov 29 '22

They are all rectangles with certain limitations, but they do vary a lot (relatively)

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u/boxofducks Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Neither is hockey or soccer. Football isn't either if you consider Canadian rules or 9-man fields. Basketball is the anomaly.

Edit: NHL rinks are all the same, but collegiate are not, and the NHL size does not match the Olympic size.

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u/ufluidic_throwaway Nov 29 '22

Football isn't either if you consider Canadian rules or 9-man fields

Football isn't either if you consider completely different sports

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u/xAIRGUITARISTx Nov 29 '22

Golf courses aren’t standardized. It adds another layer to the game.

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u/eleven_eighteen Nov 28 '22

Are the left field dimensions for Ka'u High School swapped or something? If down the line is actually 600' then the corner in center-left would be farther than 518'.

I also wonder about the Kalaheo High School left field measurement as well. Even if the Ka'u dimensions are flipped 446' doesn't seem to fit compared to Ka'u at 518' at the corner. I see the Kalaheo figure in center-right is estimated but the one in left doesn't indicate that it is.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 28 '22

I forgot to edit the text in the Ka’u one.

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u/JPAnalyst OC: 146 Nov 28 '22

Impressive work! And interesting. Are you posting to the baseball sub? They’d love it over there.

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 28 '22

I do!

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u/lost_in_life_34 Nov 28 '22

MLB is the same. infield size is regulated but the outfields are different in most of the ballparks and so team stats people have to do fancy math to figure out how one pitcher will be expected to perform in another ballpark

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u/illi09 Nov 28 '22

Fun fact, the length of the base paths is regulated, as is the placement of the pitchers mound (obviously), but if you define the infield as outlined by the dirt, MLB stadiums also have variable sized infields. It's an interesting topic in the context of the new infield shift bans, because some of the rules are based on the placement of the dirt.

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u/m0_m0ney Nov 29 '22

I wonder if this is a big enough deal to cause them to standardize it. My gut says no

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u/JoeSicko Nov 29 '22

Infields are supposed to be the same. It's measured as a semicircle, the center of which is the pitchers mound. I actually Google it when the shift discussions came up.

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u/illi09 Nov 29 '22

You are correct that they're supposed to be the same, but they aren't. Here's the article where I first encountered the info: https://theathletic.com/3596022/2022/09/15/mlb-infield-dirt-shift-rule?source=user-shared-article

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u/Sentsuizan Nov 28 '22

That is definitely one of the more interesting parts of baseball. Home field advantage is way more important than most sports because of it

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u/ctl-alt-replete Nov 28 '22

But both teams play on the same park at a given time. Doesn’t this make things equal and fair for both teams?

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u/Sentsuizan Nov 28 '22

Who's gotten more practice on a given field? The home team or the away team?

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u/lost_in_life_34 Nov 28 '22

That and many away teams get in late and play on little sleep

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u/m0_m0ney Nov 29 '22

Travel and routine is 100% more impactful than the playing surface and dimensions of the field

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u/ctl-alt-replete Nov 28 '22

Ok. I kinda see your point. If the home team adapted their skills to their particular stadium, then they’d have an advantage during that particular game. But can teams adapt to the outfield shape of their home stadium’s outfield? That’s the part I’m not so sure about.

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u/GoBuffaloes Nov 29 '22

And it’s not just practice, say you have a very left-hander-friendly park, you could build your roster around having as many lefty’s as possible and have an advantage in half your games.

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u/On3_BadAssassin Nov 29 '22

All teams do this, to some extent — some just more than others.

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u/AllTheThrowingBagels Nov 29 '22

More at some stadiums than others. Fenway Park's Left Field Wall has balls bounce off in really funky ways. It is a common occurrence for visiting players to 'misplay' the Wall and the weird bounce gets past the defender. Likewise, the Home players can learn the weird bounces and be able to take that info into account when playing defense. This may allow them to reduce the number of bases a batter would expect off a hit. Yes, a visit plaher can learn this as well but if you play LF st Fenway say 8-9 times a year, it will take a decade of visiting to equal the number of games the Red Sox LF could play in one season. It is not a regular occurrence but it does happen.

It can also be a matter of roster construction. For instance Fenway has a very large Right Field to offset to small Left Field. This means if they have a poor defensive RF, it could hurt the team because you can't hide him. This has meant the team will often ensure their RF player is at least adequate defensively. Because the Left Field Wall is so close to the plate, the team has often emphasized hitters who can use the Wall to their advantage. Luck is the residue of design sometimes

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u/ctl-alt-replete Nov 29 '22

SUPER fascinating. I’m sure this has made the difference between winning and losing. On the one hand, BOTH teams playing at Fenway have the same stadium constraints. But one team may be better suited for it.

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u/evil_cryptarch Nov 29 '22

Batters can certainly adjust their swing to aim for the easier home run spots and avoid the deeper parts or higher walls. The effect may be small but the pros play 81 home games a year so even small effects have plenty of time to add up.

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u/acoolnooddood Nov 29 '22

Enter the Yankees, a team famous for their left handed hitters and mezzanine overhang in right field.

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u/m0_m0ney Nov 29 '22

The Baltimore Orioles recently changed the dimensions of their outfield, bringing the wall way back in left field in order to entice more free agent pitchers to sign there because it makes it wayyy harder for righty’s to hit home runs. It has a funny corner in left center now as a byproduct which can be difficult for left fielders to judge so that could be an advantage but I don’t think it plays a huge role of 162 games

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u/Captainspacedick69 Nov 28 '22

One team plays all their home games there (82 games) while the other teams may play between 1 and 9ish games at a opposing teams stadium in any given year. So you have to get players that play to the strengths of your home stadium.

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u/SweetTea1000 Nov 29 '22

So... why hasn't there been an arms race for the tiniest outfield? More stands, more tickets, more winning home games. Seems like a loop hole nobody could resist exploiting. The sport isn't exactly synonymous with integrity.

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u/Ambiwlans Nov 29 '22

I'd add an out of field zone or two right in the middle. Just like a 15' circle for people to aim for a home run.

That'd 100% get the most press and tickets. They need to make new stats just for your zone.

Have the stadium offer cash prizes to players that get home runs in different zones.

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u/skulblaka Nov 29 '22

Because your opponents get to use that field as well. If every batter that manages to hit the ball can crack it out of the park, you've not even got any advantage over your opponent, home field advantage means nothing.

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u/IReallyLikeTheBears Nov 29 '22

You’d have to be more creative than that, everyone can hit home runs so a tiny outfield wouldn’t be much of a game changer. What you would really do for an advantage is something like what the Yankees have with a “short porch” in one of the outfield corners (see Ka’u HS right field in this graphic). That way, you stock up on players who tend to push or pull the ball out to that direction depending on handedness, and manufacture some sort of advantage that way. This way, only teams that are also built to take the ball out that specific direction can experience the same advantage

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u/False_Creek Nov 29 '22

Reminds me of the time they built a baseball stadium in Denver and suddenly nobodies were breaking records, because of the drop in air pressure.

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u/JMS1991 Nov 29 '22

For the same reason, many of the longest field goals in the NFL have been kicked in Denver. Until last year, they held the record.

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u/tico_pico Nov 28 '22

This is really cool. Good work. I can only imagine the time that went into it.

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u/dbe1111 Nov 29 '22

Are some of these fields along coastline?

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u/theclacks Nov 29 '22

Kalaheo is built into a hillside. Don't have good memories of the others.

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u/bizzyj93 Nov 29 '22

Not really. Most of the schools are more inland. More central for the neighborhoods as homes stretch from the mountains to the beach.

Source: I am from Kailua

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u/Melodic-Yam-7622 Nov 29 '22

I’m so confused by this map… can someone help explain :/

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u/Whaines Nov 29 '22

Each one of those lines is the outline of the playing area of a high school baseball field. They are on top of each other so you can see just how different they are.

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u/Melodic-Yam-7622 Nov 29 '22

Ahh so baseball fields are really that crooked? Like the top left??

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u/DoctorPepster Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Kind of. Baseball outfields are only loosely regulated. That one that extends wayyyy out in the left is not really like that according to another commenter. Apparently there is no fence until that line, but there are some trees and a playground in the way, so it would probably be more accurate to call the line at the trees or something.

Edit: grammar

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u/Melodic-Yam-7622 Nov 29 '22

I was so confused haha. So the baseball field could be like at the bottom left corner of a field then like the upper left of the fueled field could he used for other sports? Like a recreational field?

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u/DoctorPepster Nov 29 '22

Yeah, I don't know what they do there, but at my high school we had a soccer practice field in the outfield for soft ball.

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u/Whaines Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Also note that the majority of them are nice and neat where the white lines are. There are just a lot of outliers with quirky shapes!

Edit: this satellite shot might help: https://i.imgur.com/pGzy6Hl.jpg . With the diamond on the bottom you’ll see there’s no actual fence defining the boundary. If there was a tournament there you might see a temporary fence put up to define the playing area. Without it, the field really doesn’t have a boundary other than the park itself.

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u/kujotx Nov 29 '22

Polo Grounds: My LF power alley was 450.

Kalani HS: Hold my mai tai.

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u/formerlyanonymous_ Nov 29 '22

It'd be cool to see the distribution by direction. Like plate to mound. In my area, everything is mostly northeast so the gulf breeze goes out to left. Keeps the sun out of batters eye, but makes playing the right side of the field blinding at the wrong time of day.

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u/ATrueGhost Nov 29 '22

Wow, actually a unique way to portray data that is beautiful. Not just some R plot or excel chart. The sub needs more of this, even at the cost of it being slower.

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u/jagger1973 Nov 29 '22

I'm looking at Lanai with centerfield at 298ft. How do they play on that field?? We used to play at the local college field in high school. My senior year, that field was being re-done so our home schedule was shifted to the local senior league field with a 308ft center field and ~295ft corners iirc. In our first game, both teams hit something like 25 combined home runs in 3 innings. Pop ups would fly out of the park. We all decided to postpone that game and we opted to play all our 'home' games at the opposing team's field for the remainder of the season.

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u/ngmcs8203 Nov 29 '22

205ft is little league fence dimensions. You hit a ball out of a standard sized infield and it’s going at least 140. 210ft is ridiculously short for a high school field.

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u/MJZMan Nov 29 '22

I don't get a field like Kalani. Why the hell have all that barren space? Fence that shit off long before you get to 750 feet.

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u/landodk Nov 29 '22

Kāhala Baseball Field https://maps.app.goo.gl/XYmDsy62nJy8kocg6?g_st=ic

It goes into another field. Limiting the outfield of one impacts the other. And makes maintaining/ mowing harder. And eliminates the option for other events/sports

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u/RevivedMisanthropy Nov 29 '22

Now THIS is a goddamned data visualization

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u/ScoffingYayap Nov 29 '22

Some really cursed ballfields here

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u/kfrancis95 Nov 29 '22

Kaiser high school? Punahou? Also Kamehameha

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

What about em?

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u/kfrancis95 Nov 29 '22

Just wondering if you included them in the stats. I used to live in Hawaii (7 years ago) and those 3 schools definitely had used baseball fields. I played left field at Kaiser so was just wondering is all.

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u/iCountFish Nov 29 '22

There's a whole ton that are just included in the standard "white" outlines in there that aren't really remarkable. Radford isn't on there by name, but I remember it having fairly standard dimensions.

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u/TheRnegade Nov 29 '22

Now that you mention it, I have myself asking the same. Punahou and Kamehameha are flush with cash, surely they'd have a more regular type field.

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u/pokemonplayer2001 Nov 29 '22

Going yard at Kalini HS means something entirely different.

Damn.

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u/roryseiter Nov 29 '22

Having graduated from Konawaena, I am not surprised at all. Our sports were a joke. We put new irrigation in our football field and they added macadamia but shells with the dirt when they filled it in. It was like concrete and multiple kids broke bones during the season. They had to redo it. Cost a fortune.

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u/GeorgieWashington OC: 2 Nov 29 '22

I’m in no way surprised that Lanai is a short porch.

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u/fillmorecounty Nov 29 '22

Are baseball fields not a standard size?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Only the length between bases and the height and distance of the pitchers mounds are required. There are no regulations regarding outfield fencing.

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u/theiLLmip Nov 29 '22

This is what this sub is for. Beautiful work

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u/CIoud-Hidden Nov 29 '22

Where does Mililani play, I haven’t been back in awhile. Maybe they never did play on theirs.

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u/Thereminz Nov 29 '22

im surprised there's that many high school baseball fields in Hawaii

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u/ThreesKompany Nov 29 '22

Lanai HS pitchers must have some BRUTAL home run stats.

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u/prsTgs_Chaos Nov 29 '22

It's always been so weird to me that there's seems to be no regulations beyond like the infield as far as field size

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u/LANDVOGT-_ Nov 29 '22

What kind of game is this? It does not have a fixed field size?

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u/YourDogsAllWet Nov 29 '22

FivePointsVids has a video on YouTube about the weirdest baseball fields. I'll have to go back and watch it and see if any of these are featured

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u/dvd5671 OC: 18 Nov 29 '22

I’ve worked with him twice before actually!

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u/Reeblo_McScreeblo Nov 29 '22

Well done, but your post makes me want to block this subreddit

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u/HRslammR Nov 29 '22

Work with me on this hypothetical:

Could Aaron Judge, using the 2000s era Easton Z-core luminum bat, off a 100mph pitcher, hit it over the Kalani HS wall? Either with or without a wind to LF.

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u/cellopaddy Nov 29 '22

Wow, a non-political post on this sub.