r/entertainment Nov 29 '22

Collin Gosselin has not spoken to siblings in 'five or six years'

https://pagesix.com/2022/11/29/collin-gosselin-has-not-spoken-to-siblings-in-five-or-six-years/
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u/YeuxBleuDuex Nov 29 '22

I had no idea he was in an institution long enough to see two birthdays there. Terrible that she sent him away and didn't even maintain a relationship.

Good that he's stable and has his dad and Hannah.

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u/Keudn883 Nov 29 '22

His mother put him in there and when his father filed for custody over him the mother or her lawyer didn't even show up to court to contest it.

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u/YeuxBleuDuex Nov 29 '22

Aware of the first bit but had no idea she didn't contest it! Heartbreaking for him even though Kate is an absolute witch.

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u/Regal-Heathen Nov 30 '22 Wholesome

Hey man, that’s an insult to witches.

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u/Joshstradaymus Nov 29 '22

Remember when they split and Jon was getting absolutely destroyed by people? I do. Jon was so low he was bartending at my local TGI Fridays and dude was getting flamed for it.

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u/Humble-Briefs Nov 29 '22

I remember that, I remember reading he wanted a divorce bc he disliked/wasn’t comfortable with so many people knowing his children so intimately (plus Kate is a B but he didn’t talk about that, you could just see it happening in real time). I felt so bad for him honestly :/

It’s like fame destroys ppl or smthg

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u/greatfinngal Nov 29 '22

When you have multiples I do understand the intrest and they need the money. It just went too long. Exploiting your kids for money is not goid for them. Not talking Gosselins specifically but it does apply them too. There are other families that did not have tv show and managed to get their multiples adults just fine.

Also, I don't get these families with multiples which already have older kids and use fertility treatments. If I had already twins and had fertility issues, getting more kids would be big no. Especially when you see how parents don't simply don't have time to give enough attention to all kids.

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u/KayakerMel Nov 29 '22

They refused to have the recommended selective abortions done to make the pregnancy safer for everyone. As it was, there were originally 7 implanted embryos that had taken with only one natural loss. I watched the original Discovery Health special way back in the day and I was horrified with how risky that high multiple pregnancy was.

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u/greatfinngal Nov 29 '22

There was this family in Alabama (not 100% sure) who already had 3 kids before sextuplets. How come three kids were not enough? Then are these who have over ten kids and not all are fundies. Feels like they love babies until they lose their new baby smell and then new baby is coming. I don't get these hoarders.You can't be good parent to so many kids.

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u/FrostBellaBlue Nov 29 '22

Sometimes women get addicted to the attention they receive while pregnant and/or caring for a newborn. Once the attention wears off, they do it over again.

There's a woman in my home town like that. Her eldest was my age, so my mom would take the eldest two for playdates, 1. To give the mom a break, and 2. To give them more individualized attention

Everyone in town knew how neglected her kids were :(

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u/YeuxBleuDuex Nov 29 '22

Ugh you're right, I definitely do. She always seemed like she was so pleased with herself, insulting and emasculating him.

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u/Humble-Briefs Nov 29 '22

Isn’t she also the origin of the ‘Karen’ hairstyle? or am I misremembering that?

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u/YeuxBleuDuex Nov 29 '22

Lol! Yep you're right. They used to call it the, "Let me speak to your manager" because it was before le craze of Karen.

I'm almost certain they made Halloween costumes/ wigs of her.

Edit: Here's one!

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u/Craico13 Nov 29 '22

Yeap! She definitely helped to popularize it. Originally it was just “the Karen haircut”.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

He cheated on Kate with her plastic surgeon’s daughter. From what I recall that played a large part in their divorce.

Then right before/during the divorce he went through some phase where he wanted to be a DJ and was everywhere except with his children.

Not saying Kate’s not the problem, but Jon had his own issues. It’s great he’s back on track but he had his own problems too.

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u/EnvironmentalPark870 Nov 30 '22

Jon claimed that he wasn't cheating b/c Kate had kicked him out of the house, and made him sleep in their large barn/garage apartment. She was making him pretend like all was normal so they could try and keep their show and then when he was seen out with other women she feigned innocence and that he was cheating, he says they were "secretly" separated. Also she was accused of sleeping with her bodyguard/security at this time too.

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u/Humble-Briefs Nov 29 '22

Wow I didn’t know any of that! I remember him being on covers of tabloids a lot, so I guess I jumped to assuming those were most likely false. The cheating and weird midlife crisis is not a good look for sure. It turns out, both ppl can be shady in a divorce.

Edit: and also hey thanks for setting me straight!

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u/ElephantBusiness7184 Nov 30 '22

Uh, he was pretty known to have a revolving door of women after the divorce and seemed to have no interest in being a dad for a while. It's telling his older daughter lived with him for a while but now has nothing to do with him.

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u/DarkestofFlames Nov 30 '22

Both parents are pieces of shit. It's so fucking weird how people want to paint him as a good parent just because some of his kids prefer him to the mom.

Both of them exploited their children on tv, both of them chose to have affairs, both of them acted like assholes during the divorce. He also was partying it up with Michael Lohan and wasn't spending time with his children for years. They're both shit.

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u/Humble-Briefs Nov 30 '22

Thanks for correcting, I never knew much past the show and a handful of tabloid covers, but after some others and yourself pointing it out, it does sound like he was a real piece of work.

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u/Ok_Quarter5139 Nov 29 '22

Even as a youngster I could see how demeaning and mean Kate was to him. She was such a control freak that it made everyone miserable. She’s insufferable.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

She was so awful to him, even on camera I can't imagine what she is like when there is no one watching. I remember an episode when the kids were sick and she made them sleep on the tile floor or some shit because she didn't want to worry about laundry. Poor little kiddos couldn't even sleep in their beds when they were so sick. Fuck this woman.

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u/Jasonotg0 Nov 29 '22

I came in here just to say this. Jon was shown to be a man in a mid life crisis who abandoned his family and left his poor wife with 8 kids.

Having rewatched some episodes recently you can feel the toxicity pouring off of her. She is every Karen stereotype. And of course hearing his side of the story has painted a very different picture.

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u/lookylookylulu Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Do we have any idea why he was put in inpatient care? It's not like you can just ask them to take your child. Something happened that had to have been serious enough for him to be in care for that long. They won't just take you because. So let's not bash a parent for seeking help for their child. We see what happens all to frequently when parents do not get hp for their child that clearly needed help.

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u/YeuxBleuDuex Nov 29 '22

No parents were bashed for seeking help in the making of my post.

One parent cutting all contact with a small child (mentally ill, behavioral issues or healthy) while the other is present, should not be celebrated.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

Because he has ADHD.

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u/lookylookylulu Nov 30 '22

Highly unlikely that is why he wrnt into care. I have ADHD. All three of my children have it. You do not get put in inpatient mental health facilities for ADHD alone. You get out there is there is a medical need. If you are a danger to yourself or others. That's it. And frequently they can't even do that because they don't have the room for all of the people that qualify.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

I have ADHD too and I agree that is a bullshit reason to lock up your child for nearly 3 years, visit them 3 times, and never speak to them again. I feel terribly for this kid, thankfully his father seems to have done right by him.

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u/Hardlymd Dec 05 '22

I’ve got to be honest. You’re unfortunately wrong about that medical need part. If someone has the money and it’s a private place, they will take the money and do whatever the parent wants where a minor is concerned. I work in healthcare, and I’ve seen it all.

We would like to believe the system is not that way, but get up and close and personal to these privately owned, run, and paid for type of places, anything goes, it seems. Look into what Paris Hilton and others like her are upset about: these reform school-style places they were sent to. Hellish, and locked in until their parents sprang them or they turned 18.

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u/BaconAlmighty Nov 29 '22

I had no idea he was in an institution long enough to see two birthdays there. Terrible that she sent him away and didn't even maintain a relationship.

Good that he's stable and has his dad and Hannah.

Kids can be fucked up - I know a kid that was adopted and they are thinking about doing this as he's caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage to their home threatened the other brothers and mom's life several times and just continually makes poor choices. Not every kid can be fixed by just more hugs.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

My older brother was institutionalized, also adopted, and knowing him as an adult and being the bio kid who had to stay at home and be raised by my mom, his issues were 50% my mom's fault and 50% his social worker was a fucking idiot.

Dude has bipolar disorder and would experience mania, but his social worker and therapist decided he was too young to be bipolar and claimed he just had anger issues and was borderline narcissistic and basically wrote him off from a young age. My mom would have refused medication even if they had figured it out. On top of that, she has never had a calm moment in her life because the slightest hint of insubordination or pushback would send her into a blind rage, so when she'd accuse us of stealing, or lying, or doing whatever wrong she decided we'd done that day (which most often was she lost something, she didn't believe the truth, or she just decided we were in for a beating because she was mad generally), we'd be hit, grounded, our stuff thrown out, etc. This regular cycle would set off the manic episodes of my brother, which caused thousands of property damage, eventually leading to a court approved institutionalization.

Because of the additional abuse suffered in the institution, he's extremely messed up and struggles to hold down a basic job through his depression and bipolar disorder, even when it's being managed pretty well.

You'd never guess it though because my mother was loved by every person in my young life, she was the gal bringing cakes to school and doing the charperoning and parent volunteering, teachers always assumed we were lying because they loved her in person. You're only getting one side of the situation, and just because people appear good people on the outside doesn't mean that at home they're doing what's good for the child at home.

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u/YeuxBleuDuex Nov 29 '22

? Quite an extreme response, as no one here suggested anything of the sort.

He is not an adopted child.

Having severe emotional and mental issues is not a reason to end a parental relationship with your own child. Abandonment would only exacerbate the child's problems.

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u/meatball77 Nov 30 '22

And he seemed to have gotten through his late teen years with his Dad just fine. Kids tend to get worse as they get closer to 18, not better like he did.

This isn't a kid who has been in and out of jail and even if he was in Jail he should still be speaking to his parents.

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u/BaconAlmighty Nov 29 '22

? Quite an extreme response, as no one here suggested anything of the sort.

He is not an adopted child.

Having severe emotional and mental issues is not a reason to end a parental relationship with your own child. Abandonment would only exacerbate the child's problems.

Was suggesting it's not always a bad thing. Adopted or natural born, it doesn't matter.

When the child or parents life is at risk, you may change your mind on institutionalizing a child where they can benefit from professionals that are familiar with those specific problematic behaviors. If you feel they can be hugged better, then you are lucky to not have had to live within such a situation.

After tragedy or loss - it can sometimes be preferable to split up siblings in such situations where there is strife due to traumatic bonding and feeding off of each others behaviors. This allows both children to heal and hopefully could be reintroduced at a later time once everyone is in a more stable place.

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u/HKJR9000 Nov 29 '22

Except you’re just inserting whataboutism. We’re not talking generally - we’re talking about a family whose life was literally on display, including their poor parenting.

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u/BaconAlmighty Nov 29 '22

Yep - and we have an idea of their life but we don't know everything which is why I'd keep an open mind on why his parents had to make such a decision at the time and I hope they can heal and figure it all out someday.

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22

You're the one making assumptions.

My Mom threatened to put me into one of those wilderness scared straight programs once. My big issue? Being depressed and not doing my homework and having my own thoughts and opinions. That's called individuation, and it's what teens are supposed to do.

I didn't even have a full drink until I was of age. (Actually, I probably didn't finish a full drink until years after that. I had a sip, literally, a sip when I was 20.)

I have a friend who was sent off to Mexico in the middle of the night to one of those places by her parents, and her story is similar. She can't even go to Mexico now because the program neglected to get them visas and she had to be deported back to the states.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

There is no suggestion that anything like you are describing here happened. He has ADHD. His dad has had no issue with him, and he seems to be doing just fine.

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u/BaconAlmighty Nov 30 '22

2 years in an institution for ADHD, hmmm. I'm sure the doctors and caregivers also went along with her scheming plan.. You only know what is shared publicly. I'm suggesting nothing is black and white and kids can be fucked up and not every kid can be hugged more to make it better.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

Sorry, but I will believe him over Kate, considering the rest of her behaviour, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth.

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u/BaconAlmighty Nov 30 '22

I'm not saying to believe either one of them. Just that not everything is black or white - I think personally she's a piece of shit.

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22

You're assuming the child is the problem in the first place. In that case, the child should be removed from the home but not institutionalized. If possible, they should stay with a more stable relative and receive proper care, not fucking discipline.

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u/BaconAlmighty Dec 01 '22

Never stated, that - already said she is a piece of shit. I'm glad you have everything figured out.

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u/SlapDickery Nov 29 '22

Yes, sometimes you just know too. If a kid shows no remorse and takes pleasure in chaos then it’s time to get help

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u/Bananador Nov 29 '22

You do not know the whole story only what the parents tell you. Kids act out for a reason. Sounds like the adopted kid could use a family who knows how to handle him better than one who got him to prove they're good people. Throwing a kid into an institution is just a way to break their spirit.

Your random story also seems to be low-key victim blaming and shows a refusal to believe in victims.

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22

THANK YOU!

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u/washington_jefferson Nov 29 '22

was adopted

That's an important detail.

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u/alargepossum Nov 29 '22

And you know why kids act like that? Because of the adults that raised them

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u/Carrollmusician Nov 29 '22

No some children have legitimate mental illnesses. Saying that nurturing is the only contributing factor to mental health is discounting millions of people who have actual neurological issues that need addressed for them to live healthy and safe lives.

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u/alargepossum Nov 29 '22

You are correct. A lot of the time mental illness is passed on by adults or the child may experience trauma that causes a mental illness. I definitely left those out. The point to my comment is more so to highlight that it’s not the CHILDS fault if they are having behavioral issues. It could be caused by their environment or brain chemistry like you said

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u/oldgeek123 Nov 29 '22

That doesn't make them any less dangerous, though. Sometimes professionals are the only ones who can help them.

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u/hackulator Nov 29 '22

If you raised a child from birth and they have issues, those issues are almost certainly your fault.

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u/washington_jefferson Nov 29 '22

My dad is 5'9'' and my mom is 5'5''. Do you think this might have something to do with is why I never became a 6'9'', 225 lb. NBA player?

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u/hackulator Nov 29 '22

Yeah, most kids are not psychologically damaged from birth, there are unusual exceptions which is why I used the word "almost".

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u/washington_jefferson Nov 29 '22

psychologically damaged

I'd agree with that completely, but I also believe humans can be born psychopaths without parental or environmental damage. There are bad seeds, bad apples, genetically handicapped people, people born with severe physical disabilities, etc. That's just biology. Not everyone born is "equal". If both of your parents have severely low IQ's and have unsightly physical attributes, guess what? You will too, most likely. Life on Earth or in the solar system is not fair.

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22

Please check out the book, "The Psychopath Inside." The right environment can make a huge difference.

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

I'm adopted, and you're absolutely correct.

ETA: Also, the assumption that anything bad about you comes from your genes and anything good about you comes from your environment is gross. I was told that I would be a "throw away" kid if it wasn't for my mother by a family member. No, she actually compounded a lot of issues.

I'm fine, btw. I have a college degree, and I'm supporting myself. Definitely got myself some great therapy.

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u/hackulator Dec 01 '22

I'm glad you're doing ok.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

She saw him 3 times in 3 years and didn't even show up at the hearing. This wasn't an overwhelmed mom and her last resort. This was dumping your problem child in an institution so he didnt fuck up your show while creating a storyline that makes you sympathic.

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u/BaconAlmighty Nov 30 '22

You must be invested in the show and their lives to know so much of what is shared publicly.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

Not really, but I can read.

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u/Free_Hat_McCullough Nov 29 '22

Being institutionalized at 12 years old must have been very traumatic. I hope the family can work things out, it seems like he is open to it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Blaming Dr Phil for popularizing institutionalizing kids as the easy way out for the past 20 years. When the problem is the parent, there's no out for the kid once they're in there.

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u/chamber25 Nov 29 '22

Pretty sad when they showed Collin as a kid giving Kate a gift which was a figure of a bear protectively embracing her cub and Collin said that's you and me. Kate then questions him asking where the others are.

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u/laurzilla Nov 29 '22

That’s terrible. Way to diminish your child’s individuality.

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u/MoonlitBlossoms Nov 29 '22

I had the same thought.. she doesn’t seem to see her kids as individuals that need one on one time with their parents. Poor kids.

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u/sanslumiere Nov 30 '22

That makes me so sad. Some people just shouldn't be parents.

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u/79years Nov 30 '22

Wow this is just heartbreaking.

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u/marshroanoke Dec 03 '22

Why would you ruin a precious moment with your son by saying something like that? It seemed so needlessly cruel.

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u/bmbmwmfm Nov 29 '22

Kate was abusive from day one and watching her progression you can see how fame/money for her was above her marriage and children and more so with each episode.

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u/love2go Nov 29 '22

Kate Gosselin, the original Karen.

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u/OfficialWhistle Nov 29 '22

With the original Karen Haircut.

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u/CampingWithCats Nov 29 '22

The "can I see your manager" haircut

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u/UrbanAchiever0 Nov 29 '22

Which is why the term should be Kate & not Karen

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u/oldgeek123 Nov 29 '22

The horse has already left that barn.

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u/katikaboom Nov 29 '22

Please no

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u/RQK1996 Nov 29 '22

Wasn't she the inspiration behind the Karen meme?

Or like the poster child

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u/Odd_Radio9225 Nov 29 '22

She was abusive? I never watched the show.

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u/natsnoles Nov 29 '22

She was pretty verbally abusive.

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u/Keudn883 Nov 29 '22

She admitted to withdrawing funds from trust funds setup for her children. Hannah and Collin both live or lived with their father and he had custody over them. Because of this he had access to their financial statements and discovered that 50k was withdrawn from both of their trust funds by their mother. A judge ordered her to pay it back and as of an August article she has not. She admitted to taking the money as a means of survival and claimed she would pay it back.

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u/bmbmwmfm Nov 29 '22

Oh god yes! The kind of screaming and remarks that's not suited to marriage or motherhood. I still visibly flinch when I'm around someone like that . Control by fear and bullying.

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u/FrostBellaBlue Nov 29 '22

There is a famous incident in a talking heads portion of their show (just Jon & Kate in the interview closet) during which Kate snaps at Jon for breathing too loudly

https://youtu.be/fZBQGNdSSmY

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u/Mega_pint_123 Nov 29 '22

She has a horrid personality. Cold as ice. Total hard bitch. Can’t imagine being married to her or having her as mother.

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u/BonnieJane13 Nov 29 '22

She admitted to using corporal punishment and I remember seeing pictures of her carrying around a wooden spoon as control tactic to keep the kids in line.

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u/inmnohero12 Nov 30 '22

Oh yeah, totally wretched to her husband and children.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

She was awful, to Jon and the kids, I couldn't understand how people thought it was okay.

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u/s2susannah Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Extract from her Journal when Collin was 2:

I let the kids play for the first time in the water table that had beans in it instead…. Collin decided to pour the beans all over the floor while I was inside peeling potatoes, so the girls told me and I sent all the offenders inside.

Well Collin didn’t like that I sent him in and when I was out in the garage, I heard three large bangs…I went inside and three highchairs were on the floor literally. I was instantly so SO angry, that I grabbed him and spanked him as hard as I could and thought I may seriously injure him so I sent him to his crib…. And whipped him into it very hard!

I for the first time thought I may really lose it and am glad that I just let him in his crib til Jon came home! I have never felt that I may really seriously injure a child but today was that day!”

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/3-most-disturbing-passages-kate-gosselins-journal-admitting-physically-abusing-son-collin.html/

Also this incident broke my heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVBOcQ_gFiw

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22

OMG, that is heartbreaking to watch. That poor child. He didn't understand, and it wasn't his fault. She was so cold to him. His sisters were trying to stick up for him, too.

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u/s2susannah Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

It was his comfort object too. She was always cold to her kids and to Colin she was always especially cold.

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u/Dolphinsunset1007 Dec 07 '22

“He’s my buddy” through tears…how could anyone be so cruel to be like “say bye! He’s going in the garbage”

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u/Outrageous-Dream6105 Nov 29 '22

When his dad sued for custody’s, his mother didn’t even show up to the hearing. Imagine not showing up to fight for your own child. Disgusting. He’s better off without her in his life.

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u/Fanabala3 Nov 29 '22

The ex wife loved watching that show with our kids. Then I started seeing some similarities between her and Kate. I always felt bad for Jon because he was a hen pecked husband, and I was not surprised when he left her. I remember watching an interview with him and he in the nicest way possible said Kate had this thing about being famous and the show got to her head.

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u/MyLadyBits Nov 29 '22

I stopped watching the day she criticized how he was breathing. Jon may be immature but Kate was emotionally abusive.

And those kids were whored out for their parents paycheck.

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u/Green_Message_6376 Nov 29 '22

don't forget the physical abuse of said kids by KG. I always thought she was a horrible human being and an even worse mother.

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u/SirOk5108 Nov 29 '22

Same. She was the devil's mistress and id want the mother I got instead of Kate anyway..and that's saying Alot if you knew my mother..

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u/Green_Message_6376 Nov 30 '22

I knew mine, so I get where you're coming from. I swear I will always feel the strongest need to get fucked up on Mother's day. You're not alone SirOk5108.

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u/SirOk5108 Nov 30 '22

Thnk u. I appreciate that..so much.

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u/Active_Coconut5000 Nov 29 '22

Was she the original prototype for a Karen?

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u/natsnoles Nov 29 '22

Well the “Karen” picture is her.

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u/wustacheride Nov 29 '22

her haircut pretty much solidified what it means to be a “Karen”; entitled white woman who thinks the entire world should revolve around her and her kids.

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u/rcw16 Nov 29 '22

I watched that show with my mom. She thought Kate was an amazing mom and always went on and on about how she was just misunderstood. My mom wonders why we have a strained relationship today.

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u/SirOk5108 Nov 29 '22

Same..my mother said..She had 8 kids..u try wrangling 8 kids..And I said she had the Drs make them 8 kids..so no excuse to be a Nagging uptight bitch.

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22

Thankfully, I didn't have to watch it with her, but my Mom was paying attention to the stories that came out around their divorce and definitely sided with her. She thought the same, that she was just misunderstood. Went on and on about how Kate had to do everything and Jon did nothing. (Maybe that last part was true, but I don't really know.)

I was an adult living with my parents when that happened. I already knew things were messed up, and that really confirmed it for me.

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u/Travieso_Cochino Nov 30 '22

Kate Gosselin is a total piece of shit. Think about the emotional manipulation and brainwashing going on that the kids who live with you don’t even text their own father OR siblings.

I’d be willing to bet money she has used the fact that she institutionalized Colin and abandoned him, as a threat against the other children should they have any communication with them. Cant you hear her say it? “Do you want to end up like your brother and never see your other brothers and sisters again”

She tried to control how Jon BREATHED!!

The Shirley Temple laws were made specifically for people like her. She’s a legitimate child abuser who pimped her kids for money and used them as a commodity, attention, clout. And if they didn’t have trust funds to steal from she probably wouldn’t have any relationship with any of them.

I 100% hope Colin gets a book deal and puts the truth out there opening the flood gates for the rest of them to turn the tables on the abusive relationship she created. I will buy it just to support him.

And one last note. This Karen who alienated the kids from their father and each other is a Fucking NURSE! Why the fuck would someone who abandoned her child at 12 give a fuck about anyone in a care giving capacity. Imagine how she must abuse her position of power. Or let people suffer because that’s how she gets her jollies. Imagine how she treats people who “annoy” her. Mother Teresa 2.0 a woman of the people who wants your donations and adoration because the only charity that matters is her.

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u/MNConcerto Nov 29 '22

What is Collin's diagnosis? Never shared. I'm guessing he didn't toe the line and bow down to Kate so he was sent away.

Shame on whatever facility kept him for so long knowing that he probably didn't need to be there.

I worked residential for 20 years with kids, he doesn't present like a kid who needed a residential program for that long.

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens Nov 29 '22

Gossip rags say Kate described him as 'having special needs' and said his diagnosis was 'fluid'. Jon said he was ADHD and the kids were abused and suffering PTSD.

I'm going out on a limb and saying he was probably neglected and wanted attention because 8 kids within three years means kids won't get enough individualized attention and he had coping issues and because she couldn't put time into his needs with therapy. He acted out because he didn't know how else to handle himself and his wants versus what he had.

They all probably weren't held enough or given enough attention during infancy. He just got it the worst because of whatever innate factors he had.

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u/MNConcerto Nov 29 '22

Fluid diagnosis, sounds like BS to me. Im sure she just paid out of pocket to keep him out of her hair. Some programs will do that as long as someone is paying. Mom doesn't want him home because he challenges her, makes her work harder, have her adjust her expectations and life.

ADHD doesn't need years of residential treatment. Kate isn't flexible so she couldn't handle a kid that didn't fit her vision or routine. Shameful.

Too bad Collin was the one who paid the price. If ever there was a case for a kid needing a guardian ad litem assigned to make sure someone was looking out for the kids best interests and not the parents, this was it.

Remember, 20 years of residential experience speaking here. There is no way he needed 5 plus years of residential program. He is articulate, obviously not overly medicated, handled the stress of an interview appropriately for his age etc.

I see a kid who was what we would have called "spirited, high energy" maybe with ADHD and little more defiant but just needed a parenting style that wasn't Kate to be fine in the home.

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens Nov 29 '22

Having dealt with unmedicated ADHD my entire life - ADHD makes it hard to plan my day and do laundry because I hop in the shower for five minutes and get out twenty minutes later and then I go to get dressed and then suddenly it's an hour later and I don't know where the time went. And I need laundry tomorrow so I'll do that a little later and then it's nine at night and I didn't do the laundry yet.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Bro, I have severe ADHD too, we don't need residential institutions, we need therapy and life coaching around strategies to cope with ADHD. Residential treatment is for people who need around the clock care because they are a danger to themselves and others.

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u/whateversheneedsbob Nov 30 '22

I also have ADHD and it is totally manageable for the vast majority of people who have it. There's definitely no need to lock us up.

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u/Dolphinsunset1007 Dec 07 '22

I also work with residential treatment kids and he is NOT one of the typical long term kids. Kids who have been at our facility for 2+ years are very sick and need the supports we offer to function. Collin presents like a perfectly well adjusted child. Maybe he has adhd and a learning disability or some emotional dysregulation related to his upbringing but he appears like a well adjusted young man. He is well spoken and composed enough for an interview. I cannot imagine why a facility would keep him for so long

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u/MNConcerto Dec 07 '22

It does seem odd doesn't it from one residential worker to another. He is not a 2 year resident.

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u/Dolphinsunset1007 Dec 07 '22

Not at all! He’s one of the easy kids you’d be grateful to work with and would likely be a quick discharge. Unfortunately makes you wonder about the quality of the facility

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u/plethorafeelings Dec 08 '22

he was sent to fairmount behavioral health system in pennsylvania and from just reading the google reviews of that place, i cant imagine being abandoned there for 2 years with a mild diagnosis of adhd. jon claimed that collin came out of there with more diagnoses as a result of the trauma and abuse he faced there, which seems to parallel some of the reviews that i have seen of that place from patients and/or their parents.

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u/meatball77 Nov 30 '22

He's talking about joining the marines. If he's able to join the marines it means he doesn't have a diagnosis (beyond mild Autism or ADHD).

Him seemingly having no problems in his late teens says to me that there was nothing wrong. Kids do not fix themselves when they go through puberty. If he was bad enough to be admitted for 18 months he shouldn't be successful and functional as an 18 year old.

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u/littletimtimissleepy Dec 05 '22

So I was in the marines and let me tell you there are wavers that you can get even if it's true Plus recruiters will just say don't say anything about it because they don't actually care the end goal is to get a certain number of recruits so he still has a chance of getting in the military if he really wants to

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u/FrostBellaBlue Nov 29 '22

TV is regulated by the FCC, TikTok is a new, wild frontier where parents can exploit their sick babies by posting too much about them.

I can think of two different babies with severe conditions that are honestly visually-upsetting to look at that get posted on TikTok. One of them was born to teenagers; his mom likes to post him with hashtags like "precious baby" "all life is precious" "beautiful baby" "handsome boy" etc.

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u/ProbablySPTucker Nov 29 '22

I can think of two different babies with severe conditions that are honestly visually-upsetting to look at that get posted on TikTok. One of them was born to teenagers; his mom likes to post him with hashtags like "precious baby" "all life is precious" "beautiful baby" "handsome boy" etc.

This is specifically a fundamentalist Christian pro-life thing, as I understand it.

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u/FrostBellaBlue Nov 29 '22

I understand that, but imagine you're browsing the "beautiful baby" hashtag and you see a baby with severe holoprosencephaly you weren't expecting to see

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u/ProbablySPTucker Nov 29 '22

Trust me, I am by no means defending the practice; the people doing this shit are not only generally the scum of the earth to begin with, but they're also too damned dumb to realize they're actually having the opposite effect of what they want.

Self-awareness of goddamned masonry, that.

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u/FrostBellaBlue Nov 29 '22

Ah, I understand!

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

You should look up the dad challenge podcast, the family vloggers on youtube make
tends of thousands off their kid's sponsored instagram posts. Most of his videos have the standard obnoxious titles, but I found him when I learned about another family vlogger taking down every video of their children when she learned through him how to look at the playlists videos her kids were in were being added to. They included things like "kids in a bathsuits", and "kids dancing" and they were all playlists run by men.

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u/Mega_pint_123 Nov 29 '22

Agree. Kate Gosselin is horrid as a person, a mother, and was as Jon’s wife. Vile, cold, self-centered narcissist.

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u/top_value7293 Nov 29 '22

I read she’s a nurse now. Tv doesn’t want her anymore

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u/lookylookylulu Nov 29 '22

She was an RN before she ever had children.

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u/top_value7293 Nov 29 '22

Yeah she went back to it when tv offers dried up

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u/greatfinngal Nov 29 '22

I read that she is going to be in another reality show.

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u/Turquoise_Lion Nov 29 '22

Kate essentially abandoned him

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u/Glengal Nov 29 '22

Poor kid. Mother of multiples here, watched the first few episodes and turned it off after that.

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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids Nov 29 '22

When Collin gave Kate his bday gift & she says, "well what about the rest of the family?" was so...I dunno...rude. Insensitive. He told her the bears represented him and Kate and that was her answer. Sheeeeesh. Kate was such an ass to her own kids on that show.

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u/rargylesocks Nov 30 '22

The horrifying part about that is the thought that since the parts shown on TV were that abusive then wtf happened to the kids when the cameras were off and there was no audience to witness?

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u/wisefolly Dec 01 '22

On the one hand, they probably aired a lot of the bad stuff for ratings. However, that's still the family with their guard up. I'm sure you're right that it was worse off camera.

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u/CaptainExtra567 Nov 29 '22

That is the saddest thing I’ve heard yet about this fam.

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u/Pleasant_Tiger_1446 Nov 29 '22

Kate had a dating show or appeared on one. And omg what a see you next Tuesday. Watch it

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

They probably don't know who the fuck he is either

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u/midwestblondenerd Nov 30 '22

Psychologists have shown that bringing a camera crew into your family will 100% split up your family. Every signal family - minus the Osborns and the Kardashians (however, there are several divorces so.. there's that) had divorced or were ruined because of cameras in the family. Looking at this through situation-specific. I see two things 1) this particular mother has shown serious anger issues, control issues, and attention-getting issues. Her son may have a serious mental illness; I would say that he would have been better served by a less angry and controlling parent. 2)The fact that this kid is more insightful and mature than his mother speaks volumes.

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u/formerNPC Nov 29 '22

This show was the worst thing that happened to these kids, all because of their attention grabbing and money hungry mother. Couldn’t you just raise your kids like a normal person and not exploit them for your own benefit! What a garbage human.

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u/MJDooiney Nov 29 '22

Every time I scroll past this article I keep thinking the kid on the left looks like an AI rendering of a Charlie Brown character.

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u/RQK1996 Nov 29 '22

Who even is this?

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u/FrostBellaBlue Nov 30 '22

He's a sextuplet, one of 6 babies in one pregnancy. And he has two older sisters who are twins. Their parents had a show on TLC called Jon & Kate + 8; the kids were adorable, and their parents couldn't hide their natural behaviors: Kate is controlling, and Jon is immature

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u/Vendevende Nov 30 '22

Probably for the best

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u/MtnMaiden Nov 29 '22

Don't knock Kate. She's famous, provides for her kids, sent them to college, a nice place for the kids to stay.

She's just a hard working SINGLE mom raising a family.

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u/Taniwha_NZ Nov 29 '22

Hilarious that your list of good qualities starts with 'famous'. As if that's a positive personality trait like being honest or committed to her kids.

I have no idea if you are being sarcastic or not.

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u/idomoodou2 Nov 29 '22

And everything else on the list is monetary. Which says a lot...

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u/DigaLaVerdad Nov 29 '22

Which the kids earned

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u/musicmast Nov 29 '22

oh hi kate's throwaway account

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u/Nellezhar Nov 29 '22

That doesn't excuse abusive behavior. Financially providing for your family is your duty as parent. It's not a fix all for emotional, and physical abuse.

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u/Jdsnut Nov 29 '22

I hope your joking right?

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u/30minut3slat3r Nov 29 '22

I don’t think so lol, the mountain lady is a fan of the original Karen.

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u/MtnMaiden Nov 29 '22

Facts don't lie. Just look at her. Kids in college. lives in a nice house. Has a job.

Haters gonna hate me for pointing out she's doing more than all of us.

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u/Jdsnut Nov 29 '22

Sure if that's your measurement for success. Yet let's be honest, her path there and bodies dropped along the way would likely disagree with ya.

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u/MtnMaiden Nov 29 '22

What would you do...for your family.

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u/GeoffAO2 Nov 29 '22

We are paying fully for our oldest child’s college tuition, and will do the same for our youngest when they get there. We would never pretend to be perfect, but being in a position to financially support our family never struck us as an excuse to berate, abuse, or be an asshole. Is it the “famous” part that gives Kate that right?

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u/30minut3slat3r Nov 30 '22

Who she is and what you’ve described isn’t related. A persons achievements are not who they are as a person. In other words, a rich person isn’t a good person. She is generally regarded as a negatively mannered person that presents regularly as a egomaniac. This is where most people decide their opinion of her. None of us, including you, actually know her. I’m just here for the tea lol

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u/BlerghTheBlergh Nov 29 '22

Oh hai Kate, how’s that kid you threw away?

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u/kemosabe19 Nov 29 '22

Such weak trolling game.

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u/Joshstradaymus Nov 29 '22

Keep it up she might see this and have sex with you.

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u/anonimitydeprived Nov 29 '22

Lmao article makes it sound like one isn’t doing so hot?

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u/chkraise Nov 29 '22

Haha, no, Kate is a cold hearted bitch…one could see that from season 1 episode 1. Fuck her.

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u/Mega_pint_123 Nov 29 '22

Every second of her on that show showed how much she sucks as a person. Cannot stand her!!

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u/Mega_pint_123 Nov 29 '22

And a total evil bitch the whole time, so she gets few points for those things.

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u/dejatheprophet Nov 30 '22

Not to derail this thread but I misread the last name Gosselin as Gosling and was wondering for an embarrassing amount of time why Ryan Gosling sent his brother away to an institution

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u/19-PRISMO-91 Nov 30 '22

No one gives a fuck..