r/entertainment Nov 29 '22

'Wednesday's' Debut Breaks Netflix Records, Equals Stranger Things 4

https://www.ign.com/articles/wednesdays-debut-breaks-netflix-records-equals-stranger-things-4
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u/flatline000 Nov 29 '22

I've been enjoying the music. The cello rendition of Paint it Black (Rolling Stones) was excellent and the orchestral Nothing Else Matters (Metallica) was amazing. Looking forward to finishing the season!

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u/Jumping_Jak_Stat Nov 29 '22

I'm sure the Nothing Else Matters cover was Apocalyptica. I recognized it like immediately and it works so well for the scene. You should check them out. they have so many really great covers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

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u/flatline000 Nov 30 '22

Oooo! That is really nice. I'll have to look into his other work. Thank you!

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u/steve-d Nov 30 '22

Season 1 of Westworld is probably in my top 10 television experiences ever. I can't get into season 2-4.

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u/kleep Nov 30 '22

Let's not forget The Cramps.

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u/efont Nov 29 '22

This show was exactly what I thought it was going to be and I enjoyed it all the more for it

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u/The_Fine_Columbian Nov 29 '22

Just started watching, casting is incredibly good and it's funny as hell!!

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u/AndyP8 Nov 29 '22

Gomez was cast terribly imo

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22 edited Dec 10 '22

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u/ToughSeveral81 Nov 30 '22

Good excuse for Antonio Banderas/Catherine zeta Jones reunion

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u/NASZIO Nov 29 '22

I’ve seen this take but no reasonings , can you tell me why ? In my opinion he was very accurate to the original Gomez https://64.media.tumblr.com/352f7d402dff6857c8e3779f8938908a/tumblr_inline_p9xmurpN2c1uxjf95_500.jpg

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u/strawlem7331 Nov 29 '22

I thought gomez was an odd choice - like Guzman is a great actor and all but growing up with Addams family in the 90s I felt it was off.

Then reading the comics I was like this is spot on....

The biggest casting mistake imo was Fred armisen. Like he did a great job and what not it's just his appearance didn't match at all

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u/Mister_Weiss Nov 30 '22

He’s closer to the Charles Addams version than the TV version. I thought it was well cast

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u/strawlem7331 Nov 30 '22

For sure 100% agree

His acting was perfect and to be honest I feel it would be hard to find someone close enough to replace him.

Visually however I expected him to be a little more round and a little more pale with darker eyes

It's like you love coke - you drink it every day. Then one day you want Pepsi for no reason - just a craving. You get one and take a sip only it's coke. A welcome surprise for sure - just not what you were expecting

Tough analogy for describing it.... it was a really good casting script and acting wise - visually.... I want more

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u/FN-1701AgentGodzilla Nov 29 '22

There’s infinite ways that design can be done faithfully in live action

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u/AndyP8 Nov 30 '22

Ive always viewed Gomez as a suav, sexy, charismatic character.

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u/Ansuz07 Nov 30 '22

That’s thanks to Raul Julia. Comics Gomez was more of a wealthy layabout

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u/jesterinancientcourt Nov 30 '22

Yeah, that was Raul Julia. In the comics he was way more goofy. With the films they wanted him to have the Spanish lover thing going on and Raul Julia had all the women swooning when he showed up.

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u/pataconconqueso Nov 30 '22

Yeah people never pay attention to the source material, look how many peopoe got annoyed that Desire from sandman was non binary lol.

What got me out of it was that his younger version as taller than Morticia and then in the oresent he is so much shorter lol

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u/Overall_Yogurt_7122 Nov 29 '22

Luis Guzman is perfect in everything.

Everything?

EVERYTHINGGGGG!!!!

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u/the_other_other_guy_ Nov 29 '22

Especially IMDb

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u/Overall_Yogurt_7122 Nov 29 '22

I got laid a ton and that was before Boogie Nights

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u/closeface_ Nov 30 '22

"Why do I go Greendale?"

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u/Avenge_Nibelheim Nov 30 '22

I can't think of anyone else that could pull off "Its that kinda party I stick my dick in the mashed potatoes!!!"

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u/AndyP8 Nov 30 '22

I like the actor, but this is the wrong role for him imo

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

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u/luckyfucker13 Nov 29 '22

If Lloyd wasn’t so damn good in the films, I could see Armisen’s take going over better. But yeah, he was really the only near-miss for me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Yeah I didn’t like uncle Fester at all. He was such a lame and pathetic personality and was just overall flat.

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u/AndyP8 Nov 29 '22

Forgot about him. He's terrible too.

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u/According_Gazelle472 Nov 30 '22

He was taken from the original cartoon by Charles Addams .

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u/Cavalish Nov 30 '22

I have some criticisms about it, and the way they represented the Addams as a unit.

But yes, it knew exactly what it was, and did it well, and I respect that.

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u/Deepest_Anus Nov 30 '22

Same. Once we got away from the family altogether and it was just school drama, it was a lot better. The whole fighting and parental hate shit almost made me stop watching it on the first episode just because it's so far off of everything I know from these characters. It did get a lot better after that though.

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u/deRoyLight Nov 30 '22

I enjoyed it because I just like Wednesday as a character in general, but someone said they could replace all the Addams aesthetic from the show and call it something else and nothing would change. And they're right.

I hope future seasons are less generic.

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u/NASZIO Nov 30 '22

I think the story line was more to lay a foundation for what’s to come with Wednesday developing into a young woman, discovering emotion etc

It also gives some cool backstory and history with the teen versions of morticia & gomez.

What could make it more Addams family for you?

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u/Krutin_ Nov 30 '22

I dont know if generic is the proper term. I have virtually no familiarity with the Addams franchise and so it felt very Harry Potterish. Id say I enjoyed it and am interested to see future seasons

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u/ojioni Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Jenna Ortega was perfect as Wednesday. My only complaint is I'll have to wait far too long for season 2.

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u/InsomniaticWanderer Nov 29 '22

Not to mention the inevitable disappointment when season 2 ends on a cliffhanger and Netflix cancels it.

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u/mostancient Nov 29 '22

It's a popular show. They tend to milk those for all they've got.

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u/InsomniaticWanderer Nov 29 '22

I feel like you don't know who Netflix are

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u/Kltpzyxm-rm Nov 29 '22

Nah, this is the kind of show Netflix likes. Big opening and record numbers off the bat, so it’ll get renewed as long as there’s seasons to make provided that performance keeps up. It’s smaller shows that take a little while to build up a fan base that get slashed too soon.

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u/Sh0w_Me_Y0ur_Kitties Nov 30 '22

Cries in Santa Clarita Diet

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u/senseven Nov 30 '22

Many shows have guaranteed orders of 20 eps which explains the cancellation after two seasons. But on the other hand, why are writers "planning" a multi year run and introducing new characters in the second season when the numbers of the first season aren't stellar? Its a dick move to just keep doing whatever you wanted to do and annoy the viewers with a cliffhanger that is never solved.

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u/the_other_other_guy_ Nov 29 '22

This matched Stranger Things Season 4 viewership levels. Unless the viewership takes a very steep nosedive this will definitely get a couple more seasons.

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u/Gohardgrandpa Nov 30 '22

She did an amazing job. I loved the show

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u/Trash358Over2Days Nov 30 '22 Gold

Season 2?

Oh!!! you mean Thursday

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u/Previousman755 Nov 30 '22

Don’t be upset that it is over, be happy that it happened!

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u/ojioni Nov 30 '22

Yep. I'm going to assume there won't be a second season, that way I won't be disappointed when Netflix lets me down yet again. But if they actually do another season, it will be an unexpected surprise.

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u/Busy-Bowl-4465 Nov 29 '22

We all loved it at our house !! All five of us

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u/Same_Comfortable_821 Nov 29 '22

I love this show. Especially the fight scenes were impressive.

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u/pilgrimteeth Nov 29 '22

This show is great! Like a mix of Buffy, Harry Potter, and the Addams Family. Really hoping for a season two with a touch more Uncle Fester.

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u/lordofsurf Nov 29 '22

Jenna Ortega is an absolute star in everything she's in.

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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 Nov 30 '22

Scream 5 was a little hit or miss.

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u/bob1689321 Nov 30 '22

She was fantastic in it though. Half the reason I went to see it tbh

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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 Nov 30 '22

They’ve just drawn out the meta schtick too long.

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u/bob1689321 Nov 30 '22

True, some scenes took me out of the film for being a bit too absurdly over the top meta. Like pop culture references are fun but the film takes it quite far.

Plus meta is very mainstream nowadays

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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 Nov 30 '22

It was fun for the first 4, but at the second reboot it’s a bit much.

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u/CasualVox Nov 29 '22

Great, so why haven't they confirmed a season 2 yet??

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

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u/Frostiron_7 Nov 29 '22

"Get ready for the show's premiere this Friday, as well as the announcement of its cancellation this Wednesday."

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u/OldSanJuan Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I'm like 2-3 episodes from finishing Archive 81...is it going to be a cliffhanger of a cancelled show?

I would hate to invest more time without any real answers.

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u/fhgui Nov 29 '22

It's worth watching but imo it falls a part a bit at the end which is probably why the show was canceled. They had such a good recipe going but there execution was absolute rubbish towards the end.

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u/IL2PK Nov 29 '22

They give it a pretty ….open….ending. Whether or not that might piss you off, YMMV

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u/emt_liz Nov 29 '22

If you’re into podcast and haven’t listened to it yet I recommend it

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u/Tequila-M0ckingbird Nov 29 '22

I think they lost the plot towards the end, which was unfortunate, because it started off so strong - I still recommend finishing!

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u/Beardgang650 Nov 29 '22

I got tapes!

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u/Internal-Test-8015 Nov 29 '22

They are probably talking to the actors as they have to get them on board before they can Greenlight it. Thar us if Netflix even wants to give them a second season.

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 Nov 29 '22

I wouldn’t mind seeing Guzman and Jones being cut they didn’t really do it for me as Gomez and morticia

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u/veggiewitch_ Nov 29 '22

My immediate reaction to Catherine Zeta Jones as Morticia: “she looks too alive.”

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u/beastkillr Nov 29 '22

If I could give u multiple upvotes I would. I like both of them, but not necessarily in these roles.

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u/DoNotWeepAtMyGrave Nov 29 '22

This. Zero chemistry.

It was so forced it was uncomfortable.

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u/pataconconqueso Nov 30 '22

They forced all romantic relationships, specially on Wednesday.

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u/Dr0110111001101111 Nov 29 '22

I’m only halfway through but I totally agree. And I’m surprised by how much both of them are disappointing me.

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u/Local_Working2037 Nov 29 '22

Yes. Guzman is not at all the super charming and flirty Gomez.

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u/PM_ME_C_CODE Nov 29 '22

Gusman was an amazing Gomez. Very in-line with the original comics and the cartoon depictions.

If anything Raoul Julia was too suave and charming (though, he was also fucking amazing in every way, shape, and form).

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u/m_Pony Nov 30 '22

ITT everyone totally spoiled by Raul Julia.

I can't say I blame them: I'd pay money to dance with that dude.

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u/frenchteas Nov 29 '22

Same.

My partner and I both said he had some of the humor of Gomez but not the Suaveness that he has

For me Jones didn't have the same nurturing demeanor Morticia usually has. Like she's weird but she's a loving mother and wife.

I get it was supposed to be teenage angst and stuff or whatever but it read to me more as "why won't my teenage daughter listen to me!?!" vs "I'm trying to understand my teenage daughter to support her better" which I feel Morticia would do in this situation.

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u/Shroomy_Salem Nov 29 '22

My partner and I had these exact same thoughts. Glad it wasn’t just in our heads lol

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u/ApricotNo2918 Nov 29 '22

Uncle Fester is a keeper.

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u/Internal-Test-8015 Nov 30 '22

Totally agree, he was arguably one of the top 5 characters along with wendsday and thing.

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u/cannonfunk Nov 29 '22

Cuz Tim Burton ain't cheap.

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u/BunnieSPH Nov 29 '22

Clearly that means they should just cancel it. /s

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u/EZPassTrollToll Nov 29 '22

A lot of that is Jenna Ortega she really just banked herself as one of the biggest gets in Hollywood after this

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u/ProgrammerNextDoor Nov 30 '22

She's going to become huge. If she isn't there already.

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u/Senior-Humor8523 Nov 29 '22

The show is pretty damn entertaining ngl

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u/ShiroHachiRoku Nov 29 '22

Posted on a Star Trek sub that Jenna’s line delivery is very Jeri Ryan-esque as Seven. Her chin also has that dimple like Jeri.

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u/Ckmyers Nov 30 '22

I’ve been combing posts about Wednesday a lot and a lot of the “praise” for this show is very generic. Always “I was surprised”, “I loved it”. Im wondering if we’re even watching the same thing. Im watching this show and it’s bad. Even if you like the casting, the script and plot are terrible and boring. Most of the time I’m just left asking “why?”. I grew up with the Addams family, I used to idolize them as a child. Shoot, I still watch the movies regularly and even the original black and white series as well as the updated television series with Curry. This show, is nothing like them. Which is fine, I’m open to something edgy or a new take, but it’s just terribly done I can’t get my mind around it. I even find myself looking at the lighting and just being aghast at how generic it is. I wouldn’t waste my time with this series if you’re on the fence. I’m not sure who these people are giving it shining reviews.

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u/cimson-otter Nov 29 '22

So many replies in posts about this show seem like bots.

Always a lot of “Ortega nailed it” and “my only complain is having to wait for season 2”

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u/KingCarnivore Nov 29 '22

It’s pretty generic, like it was written like a supernatural teen show separate of the Addams family and they just threw Wednesday in. Don’t see how anyone can have no complaints.

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u/cimson-otter Nov 29 '22

Completely agree. Seemed like a generic teen drama you’d see on free form or something. Probably will have love angles and all that in season 2

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u/aurumphallus Nov 30 '22

That’s pretty much why I didn’t enjoy it 100%. Just seems like they wanted to change Addams Family into Riverdale.

Which they did.

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u/Krutin_ Nov 30 '22

All teen dramas are not created equal. I think even the first season of riverdale was just not very good. This was much better and reminded me a lot of Harry Potter and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There were minimal plot holes (most of which only occur when you really analyze it) and the dialogue was surprisingly tolerable (something you don’t normally find in this genre). Acting was great, action was good, and overall it was a decent mystery/action series.

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u/DJPho3nix Nov 30 '22

I really enjoyed the showed overall, but I definitely have my fair share of qualms with it.

  • It's formulaic and predictable, partly because the writers push what they want you to think so hard you know it isn't going to be that.
  • Everything that ever happens in the show seems like it required a series of massive coincidences to take place just to be remotely feasible. Almost too much to suspend disbelief, even in a show full of supernatural powers.
  • Wednesday has very thick plot armor. Like laughably so at some points.
  • She gets like 47 "final warnings" from authority figures.
  • The dialogue choices are just strange at times.
  • Some characters make extremely questionable choices, giving flimsy as hell justifications (sometimes audibly to no one, literally just for the audience's sake), and the authorities/parents are just totally fine with it. Very Riverdale for sure.
  • Several tropes I won't list, partially to avoid potential spoilers.

And yet, I still watched the whole thing, had fun, and would watch another season gladly.

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u/Krutin_ Nov 30 '22

For the 4th point, it actually adds to the believability for me. So many times in my life Ive been given multiple “final warnings” or seen multiple given. Nobody wants to expel a kid, nobody wants to kick someone off a highschool sports team, nobody wants to dump a partner. In all those situations Ive seen people give final excuses after another just to avoid a consequence they don’t want.

Could you list what flimsy points were ignored (your second to last bullet point)? Super interested, you can always mark your post with spoilers. But I agree with everything else you said in your post and I think the first and last episode suffer the most from these issues and the middle is actually pretty good (which is kinda rare for a tv show)

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u/DJPho3nix Nov 30 '22

The most egregious example is when Eugene, who literally just woke up from a coma after being nearly killed by Tyler, walks out of the hospital to go fight a supernatural being because "hummers stick together" and his mother weakly argues for like 2 seconds and then is just like "oh, alright."

I get that it's a teen drama show and they wanted Eugene to have some redemption or whatever, but come on. At least have him sneak out or something.

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u/Rugged_Refined Nov 30 '22

It's literally Sabrina, just done worse.

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u/ShareNorth3675 Nov 30 '22

Sounds like an invitation to complain. My only two complaints was the portrayal of Gomez Addams, how they did such a good job of portraying Wednesday as this believable super genius type person that most of her blunders felt like plot contrivances, and their weird moral line crossing. Like having your daughter swim with sharks is endearing, but killing in self defense is wrong? It felt like they wanted to maintain the moral ambiguity of the og characters, while making it relatable for why Wednesday would object to the monster murdering people, but I don’t think they needed that. I wish they kept her motive for solving the case shallow like for revenge, for fun, or for the sake of her novel, not for some unearned yearning for the greater good.

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u/Krutin_ Nov 30 '22

Ill add on a bit to the second complaint in that I never really knew if they were intentionally doing things with Wednesday’s character or were just fucking up. Like you mentioned making stupid mistakes (I believe she confronts who she suspects is the culprit like 4 times with no good plan, sometimes with none, and then never learns). I also feel that way about her “sociopathic/edgy” attitude. At some points it seems like its an act and she is human (romantic sub plot or her roommate) and then other times it seems like she’s genuinely sociopathic (torturing Tyler, trying to kill the waterpolo kid).

As for the third point, I could be completely wrong but does she ever say she’s doing it for the common good? I could be misremembering, but near the beginning Tyler gives her the file of her dad’s murder and shes like “cool story bro, I dont care” The moral quandaries seem to be entirely meant for the audience. Besides me wondering if Wednesday is actually crazy (see point above) it seems like she doesn’t really care about murder, torture, or anything bad as long as it doesn’t affect her personally. The obsession with the murder mystery seems to be a morbid sense of curiosity. Like all of the Addams seem pretty morally ambiguous, especially Wednesday.

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u/Krutin_ Nov 30 '22

Spoilers for the entire show. The biggest complaint I have that I didnt see listed was that it sacrifices the plot being consistent/making sense in order to build up to the final twist of Tyler being the Hyde. Like why did he kill the therapist? What were his thoughts with Wednesday? Did he actually like her? The last episode he completely “turns evil”. But why put on an act? He wasnt trying to manipulate her and often the Hyde saved her so it seems like those feelings were somewhat genuine. Then why act like a lunatic at the end? Makes 0 sense to me. But that said, overall I did enjoy it.

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u/aradiowave Dec 01 '22

I was hung up on why he killed the therapist too, and my conclusion is that Tyler was worried the therapist would have Wednesday locked up. He had to save her over and over because Thornhill needed Wednesday's blood to unlock the casket to free Crackstone.

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u/Molly_latte Nov 30 '22

Yesss… I was pretty disappointed to be honest. I don’t really care about season 2. I enjoyed watching it with my teen daughter because SHE was so into it, but it seemed like I would watch this on the CW?

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u/wiklr Nov 30 '22

Because Ortega/Wednesday is the best part of show. The show was plenty of criticism but overshadowed by Ortega's performance. She's undeniably rave worthy, despite the show itself being subpar.

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u/Babbles-82 Nov 30 '22

I agree. It is my favourite show. I like all the actors, especially the main one. And the plot was great too, especially the finale. I really like the music too, especially the theme song.

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u/DreamcatcherGoneWild Nov 29 '22

that's great. But in terms of movies - I hope Tim Burton comes back with a great film - I loved his films since I was young and the last great Tim Burton film was Sweeney Todd (15 years ago) - maybe it's good that he's called it quits with Disney and he'll do something from the heart!

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u/blvckwings Nov 30 '22

Honestly what grown adult is watching this show? Tried and couldn’t get through half an episode

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u/Resident_Ad9731 Nov 29 '22

Ok I was expecting some teenager love story where the main problem is not being anle to go to a party but I guess I am going to try this show, people are talking too well of it

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u/urzu_seven Nov 30 '22

Netflix show breaks Netflix records according to Netflix. Yeah thats totally believable...

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u/eDisrturbseize Nov 30 '22

The first star that comes to mind after the show- whomever did the subtitle captioning for sound and music.

They were so incredibly descriptive and not the standard “ ominous tone” or “jump scare”. Whomever went buck-wild with description variety.

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u/PM_ME_C_CODE Nov 29 '22

My only complaint with the show was their toning down of Pugsly. They turned him into a helpless victim when he's supposed to be, at the bear minimum, a co-conspirator.

I would love it if, in season 2, they brought in Pugsley as a regular character.

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u/Giannandco Nov 29 '22

I was hesitant after watching the trailers, but surprisingly I loved it. Jenna Ortega is a perfect Wednesday Adams.

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u/cogburn Nov 30 '22

She reminds me of Aubrey Plaza from parks and rec so much with this.

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u/nothatsmyarm Nov 29 '22

Loved it a lot more than I was expecting to.

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u/samcrut Nov 30 '22

The music is pretty damn amazing. Ep3 in particular jumped out at me. The Vivaldi made me evil laugh. The Metallica was like a Scorsese monologue montage. The cello solo of Rolling Stones in Ep2 (I think) gave me spine chills. Elfman knows how to play emotions with a bowstring.

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u/A_Musty_Ass_Fart Nov 29 '22

I did enjoy it but the casting and and directing seem pretty poor at times.

I really appreciate most things Fred Armisen does but for me he completely missed the mark for fester.

Gwendolyn Christie didn't really give me principal of oddball school with a chip on her shoulder vibes more of a very general authority figure.

Definitely not a bad show but it feels like the original Addams family was giving a traditional netflixing and released. A little disappointing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

And Bianca’s very incompatible blue contacts..bothered me so much. At least get something like looks natural instead something cheap looking.

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u/0x1e Nov 29 '22

Why are all the men in this series trying to fuck the nice asexual girl? She couldn’t be giving off stronger signals

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u/smitty3257 Nov 29 '22

The men are all subpar in my opinion. Art guy has some good material. But clearly the women are the shining stars of the show. Just wish a few of the dudes had personality/story equivalent to the women.

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u/Dr0110111001101111 Nov 29 '22

Uh, let me introduce you to my friend Eugene.

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u/theal3xorcist Nov 29 '22

Eugene is my favorite

Imho though I did not like Fred Armisen as uncle fester

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u/ste7enl Nov 29 '22

I was the exact opposite. Did not like Eugene, enjoyed Fester (even though nobody beats Christopher Lloyd). But regardless, all of the men felt underwritten.

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u/Dr0110111001101111 Nov 29 '22

Ahh I didn't get up to that reveal yet.

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u/Double_crossby Nov 29 '22

If she indeed is asexual, that would be a nice break from the norm of "introvert or depressed or embittered girl that suddenly blossoms into a normie from the love and attention of male(or female) lead".

Not every character needs or should be fixed. I'm hoping Wednesday doesn't move more in that direction than it already did.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

She did need fixed, though. Not from a sexual relationship standpoint, but just in regards to her relationships in general.

The majority of the show is her learning to accept and value others. The macabre-loving girl isn't broken. The edgelord she is portrayed as at the beginning is.

I agree, it shouldn't be a story where she needs a man or love interest at all to fix her. I thought the lessons learned with Thing and her parents and Roomate were much more appropriate and pertinent to the characters growth.

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u/Libriomancer Nov 29 '22

Yeah the Wednesday/Enid relationship was one of the most fun TV relationships I’ve seen in a while. The fact that their interactions alter Wednesday’s worldview enough to make the relationship with Eugene work is even better as it introduces the only male relationship worth talking about to the story. And it ISN’T a romantic one, sure he’d date her if she said yes but he isn’t actively pursuing her and is glad to be friends with her.

I really do hope they do make a second season as they made a perfect setup of a new issue to tackle with Bianca’s mother and the cult. Having Bianca stand up to her mother to return to school then having the cult somehow gain influence over the school (open principal position…) would make for a fun situation as the frenemies joined forces again.

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u/Double_crossby Nov 29 '22

That is a good distinction to make -- she did need to learn more in terms of friendship and the sacrifices one makes to be a good one.

My specific critique was to the age old trope of "love/romance fixes a woman or man". Which is common for outsider or characters that are seen as weird in any show or movie.

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u/MANDALORIAN_WHISKEY Nov 29 '22

I got "not like other girls" vibes so hard it was cringey.

That being said, it was really only the first episode or two it was really bad. I thoroughly enjoyed the show. Finished it last night and I think I'm going to rewatch the whole thing again this weekend.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

She isnt like other girls, though. That's always been her thing. She's always been a flat affected, macabre little creature. Sure, this show is a bit older Wednesday than traditionally shown before, but Wednesday was "not like other girls" way before it was a meme or a thing.

Making her something else because modern audiences find it too similar to something else would be a disservice to the character, imo. She's not like a wild bigot in the original series who needs an update for modern audiences.

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u/MANDALORIAN_WHISKEY Nov 29 '22

She isn't like other girls, but she's never had to declare it. Like when practical Weems asked if her name was due to her being born on a Wednesday, she practically salivates at the opportunity to tell her she was born on Friday the 13th. That's just once instance I can think of off the top of my head, but the first couple of episodes are riddled with her running around and telling shocking anecdotes, just for the shock value. Like you said, edgelord. Trying way, way too hard. Every other portrayal of her was a Wednesday fully secure in who she was, despite being different from her peers. It was refreshing, because at that age, you become distinctly aware of how other people act, and you naturally seek to fit in. General you, of course.

I just think the character was trying a little too hard. Like, she was uncomfortable in her social setting, so she uses macabre as a defense mechanism. Like, if I have to be uncomfortable and miserable, so does everyone else. Does that make sense?

It was still down really well. Pilots are always slightly off, because they have to establish characters and backstory without being too clunky. It was just tiring to hear, over and over, when she's introduced to someone, her go, ooh I like DEATHHHHHH and MORBID THINGSSSSS, also I'm so cool don't mess with meeeeeee. The audience is smarter than that, find a new line. I was just waiting for an adult to just roll their eyes after a while. Instead they're just soo scared. Made it a little less fun for me.

I do think she acted the hell out of that character though. I was thoroughly impressed. SPOILER ALERT she portrayed Goody Addams superbly, and honestly, that hug with Enid at the end was just SOO perfect. They didn't do a stereotypical Hollywood kind of hug where she's changed and they just loved each other so much. Just a, they've been through some shit, and they bonded. Ugh, so good. Loved it. I liked how she changed but only in a personal growth kind of way. She didn't change who she was. That is a powerful message to send to girls. Wednesday was one of my heroes growing up, so I'm glad they didn't tear her character apart, or make her unlikable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Yeah, I guess maybe we're seeing the same flaw from two angles. All of what you're referencing is exactly what I meant with the edgelord comment.

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u/MANDALORIAN_WHISKEY Nov 30 '22

Lol yeah I was a little confused when I agreed with your comment (from my perspective), but you disagreed with mine haha

I didn't know how else to describe my PoV.

Either way, we both got an awesome show to enjoy, amiright!

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u/kerkyjerky Nov 29 '22

They also don’t need to make it explicitly obvious that she is one way or the other. Just let her be who she is, and don’t over explain it

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u/_illec Nov 29 '22

Are you assuming her sexual preferences? Tsk tsk

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u/PM_ME_C_CODE Nov 29 '22

Men?

No...teenage boys. Having been one myself, once upon a time, they will fuck anything with a pulse (and some things without one).

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u/nuckle Nov 29 '22

Has she even said no? During the fight with the normies she said she hadn't found a normie who could handle her which suggests she might be open to finding one.

Why are they all trying? She is awesome.

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u/PerniciousParagon Nov 29 '22

Unpopular opinion: started out great, but lost it's flavor pretty quickly. Also, as much as I love Luis Guzmán, I didn't think he fit the character.

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u/aurumphallus Nov 30 '22

I didn’t feel it was was very Addams family. But it was okay.

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u/sf-keto Nov 29 '22

Few directors can equal Time Burton's vibe. So sure after the first four eps. when the other directors come in, you notice it.

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u/cogburn Nov 30 '22

Only episode I was disappointed with was the final one. The rest were just fine in my opinion. But I agree that quality changes with different directors.

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u/createausernsme Nov 29 '22

Watched it all and the family actors are a joke compared to the originals,wednesdays roommate speaks in cringe and the story sucks ass but the last episode takes the cake of shittiest episode. Still watched it with my family cuz we loved the old adams. I loved the music tho

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u/power_procrastinator Nov 30 '22

You must definitely forget about the 90’s version to understand this as another piece on its own way. I wasn’t able to go beyond the first chapter, but i can totally get its appeal, considering the tendency to make this edgy versions of heavily attractive characters filled with one liners. Merlina is some sort of copy paste and some sort of improvement of sabrina, or eleven... or the characters from Riverdale or Raven from teen titans or... well, you get the point.

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u/cogburn Nov 30 '22

Fester is like a cartoon. In fact, I think they channeled the animated version from a few years ago to write this one.

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u/Iridemhard Nov 29 '22

I watched the first episode and was bored as shit.

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u/soyahoy Nov 29 '22

It gets better

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u/Aubear11885 Nov 29 '22

It’s a fun Nancy Drew take on Addams family and monster tropes. You’ll figure it out by episode 5 or so at worst.

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u/TheGreatMattsby Nov 29 '22

Same. It's your standard "middle aged person tries their hardest to write dialogue for teenagers" BS. Everything felt so forced.

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u/Pixielo Nov 29 '22

Funny. The kids I watched this with loved it.

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u/TheJollyHermit Nov 29 '22

Yeah, my teen boys loved it and said we need to watch it. My wife and I loved it and our older boy's girlfriend got pulled in while we were binge watching and couldn't stop. She'll go back and watch it from the beginning with my son now.

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u/Pixielo Dec 01 '22

I think that it'll go into our Halloween rotation for sure. I sincerely hope that a second season is greenlit soon.

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u/TheGreatMattsby Nov 29 '22

Everything is subjective I guess! Not everyone is going to like everything. This one just isn't for me.

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u/anywho123 Nov 29 '22

The “love interest” aspect does seemed forced.

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u/TheGreatMattsby Nov 29 '22

I don't know if I made it that far to be honest haha

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u/jhudilluminati Nov 29 '22

Anyone else find it really bad and boring?

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u/Ckmyers Nov 30 '22

It is not good. Entertaining, sure, if you can stomach the bad writing.

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u/Rugged_Refined Nov 30 '22

Yes. Thought it was terrible acting all around and the story is underwhelming. Ortega is ok, but how good can you be just keeping a straight face throughout the entirety. I've been comparing it to Sabrina, and it falls short in every comparison.

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u/Spurrierball Nov 29 '22

Couldn’t make it through the first episode. I expected it to be campy but it didn’t seem to have any charm.

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u/ChiBears_34 Nov 29 '22

Shouldn’t she have gone to prison for dropping piranhas into a swimming pool?

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u/RobTheThrone Nov 29 '22

No because piranhas only actually consume rotting flesh. The whole thing is fiction, so it shouldn’t be questioned too heavily in that regard.

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u/ChiBears_34 Nov 29 '22

I was half joking but in the trailer the piranhas chew off someone’s junk

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u/Philly5984 Nov 29 '22

Americans will literally watch garbage

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u/jtyrui Nov 29 '22

Good.

I Am also happy i Am not the only one hating the love triangle. For a Moment I feared It was just my asexuality acting up

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u/SirReal_Realities Nov 29 '22

Because of the one sided interest, I thought they were going to make her gay or bi… then They said she is 16 and I am like, hell she doesn’t need to have a love interest! It was like she didn’t want to disappoint them, but weren’t interested. Now I think the triangle was just to try to make it a “mystery” who was doing what; But honestly the writing made it about as complicated as a Scooby Doo mystery. She had more chemistry with her roommate (who is a great Luna) and bee boy, who seems a bit like the movie camp boyfriend. But I have to say, overall I enjoy the show. Ortega is a bit more goth-y than kookie, but her acting is superb, and I love the cello and dance scenes. The rest of the Addams don’t seem to embody the roles, except maybe Fester. Gomez isn’t over the top like the tv show or movies; Maybe he is doing the comic strip. Pugsly isn’t… robust, or tough as he should be with Wednesday as his older sister. Morticia is a fucking “dove” wtf?? She is too maternal and warm; She should be more aloof. Eh. Maybe they will settle into the roles. Or become more familiarity. Hope the show lasts a while.

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u/ineedsomespace Nov 29 '22

The acting in this show is abysmal

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u/OldSanJuan Nov 29 '22

It's basically a higher production CW show.

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u/jtyrui Nov 29 '22

I agree regarding Gomez and Morticia, but Ortega nailed her role

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u/NormalVermicelli1066 Nov 29 '22

Catherine zeta Jones was a terrible morticia

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u/Daewrythe Nov 29 '22

I didn't like the direction of either parent or her brother.

Fester was great though

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u/NormalVermicelli1066 Nov 29 '22

I thought the mother daughter dynamic they went for was weird. I liked the morticia from the 90s movies- she was very accepting, strange, and encouraged Wednesday's violence/sharp wit whereas CZJ kept getting in her feelings which felt wrong. The parents were played too sensitive and not morbid enough for my taste.

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u/Frostiron_7 Nov 29 '22

Which is weird because nobody talks about "Stranger Things 4" as a show that has its sh#t together.

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u/blobfishsashimi Nov 29 '22

My family was pissed that I knew who the bad guys where within a few episodes. It's always the ones you least suspect.

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u/harveytent Nov 29 '22

I loved the show but the difference between the Wednesday we meet and the the stories we hear about her past are night and day. After hearing about her past her hunting monsters for being bad is a bit odd. She should be on team monster really. It seems like all her stories of her past are just made up at best.

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u/No_Pay984 Nov 29 '22

Do I have to watch Adam's family to watch this show ?1

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u/nothatsmyarm Nov 29 '22

You do not.

Though you should watch the Addams Family movies anyway.

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u/No_Pay984 Nov 29 '22

Ah thanks ! I'll prolly watch that after finishing this

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u/setoxxx Nov 30 '22

So season 2 is a yes?

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u/alertthej Nov 30 '22

Nothing substantial to add, but she kind of looks like Pete Davidson

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u/miles_from_omelas Nov 30 '22

One of the only shows that made me emotional over a walking hand

Thing really carried the show tbh

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u/crystal-crawler Nov 30 '22

I think the reason, is that it was just really good. The actors were all phenomenal. Unlike most YA shows they all kind of blend in to each other and are pretty blah. And it definitely looks and feels different because of Tim Burtons esthetic.

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u/Lethophobia Nov 30 '22

It’s so much better than what I was expecting.

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u/RedProtoman Nov 29 '22

The writing is really fucking good

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u/whiteboysareeasy Nov 29 '22

Is it on Disney+? Ive seen it advertised on my fire stick. I vaguely remember any information about it

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u/Responsible-Lunch815 Nov 30 '22

how is a show on Disney+...going to break records on Netflix?

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u/whiteboysareeasy Nov 30 '22

Lol. Cause i didn’t properly read and reacted. Sorry, that was kind of dumb.

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u/onixotto Nov 29 '22

It's boring and shes not a good actor.

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u/Sensitive_ManChild Nov 29 '22

suuuuuure it does

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u/Watch45 Nov 30 '22

It’s Harry Potter with monster kids. Hard pass.

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u/WontArnett Nov 29 '22

Because it’s the only good, new, show on Netflix

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u/Ckmyers Nov 30 '22

That’s the truth, partly, it’s not good. It’s okay at best.

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u/WontArnett Nov 30 '22

Good compared to other shows that Netflix makes.