r/facepalm • u/ShubhamG77 • 16d ago
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u/zeca1486 16d ago edited 16d ago
Iām surprised they didnāt assassinate the kid and then install a puppet student dictator
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u/[deleted] 16d ago
I think some parents wouldnāt be so fond of that idea š
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u/kjmzzmjk 16d ago
what makes you think that?
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u/[deleted] 16d ago
I wouldnāt like my kid being installed as a puppet dictator.
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u/kjmzzmjk 16d ago
strange, to each their own i guess?
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u/[deleted] 16d ago
Obviously as a joke tho, Iām currently still In high school and kids would 100% run as communists if they were given a chance during school elections
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u/BlueberryNo3773 16d ago
As a high school student i can confirm
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u/tessapotamus 16d ago
As a college student I can tell you that vibe is still strong
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u/Mr_Lychee 16d ago
I mean communism could work in a school environment, as long as it's in the form of 'I make what i can make and take what I need'.
But as we all know communism always ends with a guy on top ruining the system so after some time it'd go to shit.
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u/Mudman1921 16d ago
I don't think "always ends with a guy on top ruining the system" is a problem with communism so much as it's a human problem.
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u/kindaCringey69 15d ago
When you say communism could work in a school environment what do you mean? Because one of the really common examples of why communism is bad is using a classroom and grades as the example (everyone in the class gets the class average as their grade so the smartest people try less and the average grade goes down as a result).
Honestly I think the only reason why a communist party would win is because let's be honest, most people in gen z are pretty edgy (myself included). I could just as easily see a fascist party winning as a communist party.
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u/Roxylius 16d ago
Puppet dictators are usually rich af. That's the whole point, gave shit tons of money to a local willing to do dirty jobs for the CIA
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u/donkeyhoeteh 16d ago
This reminds me of that time in my government class we had to wright bills and argue them to try and get them to pass to a law. A kid wrote a bill to legalize prostitution, he was so well prepared the teacher gave him the highest score in my class bet wouldn't let him present his arguments.
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u/BugMan717 16d ago
You spelt write/right so wrong I forgot now to spell either.
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u/amyice 16d ago
Technically he wrote right wrong but he did write Wright right.
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u/PiesRLife 16d ago
You've also got the wrong right, but the right Wright. In the original comment write is right, while both Wright and right are wrong.
Now right doesn't even look like a word to me.
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u/fractiousrhubarb 15d ago
I went looking for a particularly apt Chomsky quote to post and found this link...
https://www.azquotes.com/author/2834-Noam_Chomsky/tag/democracy
pretty mind blowing.
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u/GrilledWaffle 16d ago
There was a book I read, forget the name, but a class had students form a government such that as the Nazi Regime for a social experiment, long story short, many kids were convinced or forced to join, they grew hatred to those who had certain features like ethnicity and religion...
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u/diafol 16d ago
Third Wave by Ron Jones I believe. I think the movie Die Welle in Germany took inspiration from the book as well.
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u/Tasdilan 16d ago
Third wave, afaik it's based on a real story from a school in the US
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u/Dread314r8Bob 16d ago
That's messed up. I hope those kids got post-experiment therapy.
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u/aile_alhenai 16d ago
There is a documentary (can't remember the name, watched it years ago at 3am on YouTube) about the experiment featuring the kids, already in their 50s/60s when they taped it iirc. The op commenter exaggerated a little bit. The experiment lasted like a week and the participants didn't develop any hatred against minorities, though they did start to form an ingroup/outgroup way of thinking pretty soon into it (like people inside or outside the experiment).
The experiment ended when the teacher took all the students that were participating into a big room, made them do their salute and scream their mottos, and then suddenly turning on a Nazi rally where the nazis were just doing the same. Everyone understood instantly.
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u/Timeeeeey 16d ago
Its called the wave, and we had to read it in school, yeah pretty good book, but a crazy and scary story
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u/NOODLEBOI2001 16d ago
In our school we did that and the communist party won. The next day we had a school assembly talking about the dangers of radical political views on social media. Good times
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u/Terasoft2000 16d ago
Knock knock, is KGB
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u/LillyEpstein 16d ago
We will ask the questions!
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u/Itisi-no-really 16d ago
We haff ways of mekking you talk!
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u/Furiousfapperdapper9 16d ago
But comrade KGB officer, you haven't asked anything yet!
These were my last words.
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u/Suggestion_Of_Taint 16d ago
False analogy. The CIA subverts foreign elections. The school was playing FBI
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u/HertzDonut1001 16d ago
Nobody said the mock election had to be domestic. Could be a fictional country they made up.
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u/casparwall 16d ago
You must be fun at parties
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u/_Joe_Momma_ 16d ago
Honestly some of the bullshit the CIA and FBI have done is so absolutely wild, they're great discussion topics. See r/CoolAmericaFacts for more!
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u/TheTrueFlexKavana 16d ago
If they really wanted to make it realistic they could kick the racist kid out of art class to see what happens next.
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u/GCFocused 16d ago
To make it even more realistic you'd have to subject him to combat gas during a school fight as well.
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u/yeeet_guto 16d ago
You really believe a bunch of teenagers are going to take a mock election seriously? Honestly if my school did that I'd vote for the funniest speech
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u/pascalbrax 16d ago
I'd vote for the funniest speech
That's what we did 4 years ago and ended with Trump.
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u/IND_CFC 15d ago
In Indiana, the state used to do an anonymous drug survey for high school students. Of course, I didnāt take it seriously and claimed I did all the drugs daily.
Years later, my friend worked for the Dept of Health and she found out that program only lasted a few years because about a quarter of responses were like mine. Hilariously, she heard about the debates in the first year that they did it. A bunch of old people were unsure of the data. They werenāt sure if it was true or not that some kids were taking PCP every day.
You canāt expect high schoolers to take things like that seriously.
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u/notaredditer13 16d ago
True story: my high school held a mock primary and nominated Howard Stern.
Sorry Bill.
Wait, no I'm not. I stand by my vote.
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u/LavaNationYT 16d ago
im not into politics and i dunno shit about whats happening in this post can someone explain
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u/Ovledd 16d ago edited 16d ago
america: hates socialism/communism
meanwhile in the global south: people elect socialist president
america: NOOOO you can't do that! illegally overthrows democratically elected leader and installs a puppet government that sends country into crime, poverty and corruption
You can look up "US involvement in regime change" for more detailed information about some awful stuff that the US has committed in the global south.
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u/nubenugget 16d ago
America: we love democracy!
Country: we may choose to democratically elect a left leaning person who doesn't want to give all our natural resources to America
America - overthrows or assassinates the leader and replaces them with someone loyal to America
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u/Newman2252 16d ago
Anytime a social Democrat, socialist, or communist politician/political party/government is democratically elected in mainly Southern American countries (not limited to), the CIA will violently overthrow the government and typically installs a dictatorship.
For example in Chile when the CIA helped overthrow a democratic government and installed Pinochet who was much more open to having private American corporations have access to Chileās resources.
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u/TheReaper2077 16d ago
Except Cuba. It didn't go that well.
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u/SpiderFnJerusalem 16d ago edited 16d ago
America had very direct control over Cuba via Batista for a long time. Batista was then overthrown by communists. Of course the US later tried to kill Fidel Castro and help counter revolutionaries invade but it didn't work.
It's a pretty typical pattern.
- US installs dictator, helping them exterminate all the moderate political movements
- Dictator is overthrown by extremist forces who are the only political groups left
- US brands extremists as bad guys, axis of evil, etc., cutting them off from international relations etc., fostering more strife for decades to come.
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u/naughty_beaver 15d ago
Extremist forces is a stupid term. You mean to say revolutionaries. Extremist forces can also mean reactionary groups like religious terrorists and fascists.
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u/SpiderFnJerusalem 15d ago
I chose that term intentionally in order to make clear that, quite often, the original democratic movements in these countries was destroyed by the US.
The US pretend to care about democracy, but in reality their foreign policy demonstrates they have no qualms helping despots slaughter democratic movements if it is economically convenient.
Once that happens the only opposition that is left is the violent kind, and the populace usually loses its reluctance to join extremists.
For example, in Iran there was a healthy democratic movement that peacefully deposed the Shah, only for CIA and MI6 to swoop in and put him back in place. Over the following years the democratic opposition was brutally suppressed. The only people that were capable of opposing the Shah were the religious extremists and given the lack of alternatives, the populace supported them to start a second revolution.
Nowadays Iran is an islamic theocracy and one of the USA's favorite enemies. It didn't have to be this way, but the US just can't help but keep manufacturing new enemies.
The US sees itself as the great vanguard of democracy, but in practice it seems to crush democracies left and right.
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u/Newman2252 15d ago
Oh they tried, they supported Batista, the bay of pigs invasion, the Escambray revolution, the embargo. America even considered launching terrorist attacks against Americans, to then blame it on Cuba and then invade (Kennedy scrapped those plans)
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u/borkogot 16d ago
How
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u/Urbane_One 16d ago
Google āBay of Pigs Invasionā
I donāt remember all the details, but iirc, the US convinced a relatively small number of Cuban-Americans to attempt to invade Cuba. It was a complete massacre.
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u/panopticon_aversion 16d ago
Listen to season 2 of Blowback for a full background of the Cuban revolution and the USAās attempts at reversing it.
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u/LavaNationYT 16d ago
i didnt understand a word but thanks
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u/senohara 16d ago
America dont like socialists so america help fascists to overthrow/kill socialists
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u/Ovledd 16d ago
and sending the country into corruption and poverty in the process
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u/IsThisAGoodName4Meh Not a Covidiot 16d ago
America: Freedom for all, except fuck you if youāre socialist
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u/TheAdvertisement 16d ago
Don't forget that people conveniently ignore anything Russia did back and use the CIA as a scapegoat for any problems with communism.
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u/Darbington96 15d ago
Would've been more realistic if they funded the other side while claiming they're impartial
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u/MrBond90 16d ago
I know this is a joke but I had an economic class in highschool where we were graded on amount of fictitious money we earned for doing assignments, engaging in discussion ect. Well we had a vote on how the money was distributed and the class overwhelming chose a communist type system.
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u/moon_then_mars 16d ago
That's because as children, your parents and school leaders, and all the authority figures in your lives actually have your best interests at heart. So naturally kids are more trusting of authority. Even if they lash out or disrespect authority, they ultimately know that they are there for them. But that's not the case in the real world.
Also the social costs of being stingy in a school environment where you are trapped in there with the same people every day are far worse than any wealth or benefit you can actually acquire over the course of some class project. In the real world, there are massive riches to attain and being stingy is easy since you can make new relationships and abandon old ones whenever needed.
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u/TheAdvertisement 16d ago
Y'all taking this seriously when the kids were clearly voting for the commie party as a joke.
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u/Urbane_One 16d ago
I dunno, my high school might have legitimately elected the communist party.
Of course, it was an art school, so no surprise there.
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u/TheAdvertisement 15d ago
Oh no I'm not saying they wouldn't have elected them, I'm just saying it was clearly the funny thing to vote for and so they did.
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u/goronslime 16d ago
Why are artist so in favour of communism. Yāall do realise you would be the first to be killed
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u/naughty_beaver 15d ago
Don't confuse Fascism with Communism. Understandable mistake given the extensive Western Cold War propaganda trying to equate Communism with Fascism.
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u/Whiskey_Joe 16d ago
why is this facepalm? What is wrong with communism as a political ideology? Is it because the school is super conservative/capitalistic?
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u/DecelerationTrauma 16d ago
This happened at my school in the '80's. A foreign student, (UK) ran for Class President as a Communist. The FBI showed up, he was questioned, he withdrew that day. Apologized to the class saying it was a joke and he had no idea what Communism was about in the first place.
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u/djinnisequoia 16d ago
Look, you guys, it never seems to occur to anybody that you don't have to declare undying loyalty to old-school Communism, in order to simply try out some new ideas in governing and policy, nor to dust off and refurbish useful old ideas. Our choices are not between ONLY fascism and communism.
For instance, we can put sensible, beneficial regulations back in place on toxic polluters and financial parasites. We can have socialized medicine without actually practicing full-on Socialism. Don't ever let anyone lure you into a rhetorical trap of saying that because you are in favor of this or that policy or practice, that makes you a Communist and "communism always fails."
Remember that communism, socialism, social democracy, fascism, and autocracy are all completely different things; and anyone trying to tell you that any of those are inherently the same, is arguing in bad faith or ignorance.
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u/Leylynx 16d ago
Communism is a great idea. It also would work if the persons in power weren't greedy. But since those persons are living capitalism at the fullest the people living in communism are suffering. And this is why communism will never work.
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u/Urbane_One 16d ago
To be fair, not all socialist ideologies advocate for the level of centralisation that enabled a lot of historical and current socialist states to fail in that way. The Marxist-Leninist concept of the Vanguard Party, in particular, seriously risks the creation of a new upper class, as we saw in the USSR.
Socialist ideologies other than Marxism-Leninism and its derivatives, such as Maoism, tend to favour less centralised states that grant less power to individuals, culminating in the extreme of Anarcho-Communism, which avoids the issue entirely.
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u/yasithsilva 16d ago
if the persons in power weren't greedy
That's why I call communism a theoretical thing, with a bit less practicality.
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u/AerodynamicCos 15d ago
Or you build society in a way that prevents 1 person or small group from having power. Power fundamentally corrupts & you can build a socialist society that distributes power as widely as possible.
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u/Isabelleqt 16d ago
Okay hear me out here how about no one is in power
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u/Happily-Non-Partisan 16d ago
Not surprising, the Socialistic idea of having a powerful public authority to ensure that life is fair, accompanied with the underdog-struggle concept that itās branded with, typically appeals to children.
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u/GCFocused 16d ago
Was it before or after a bunch of students with the highest grades were already kneeling with their hands tied with barbed wire and waiting for their shot in the back of the head?
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u/PokingPanda 16d ago
The biggest problem with communism is that it actually looks pretty good on paper, in practice its a whole other kind of cancer tho.
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u/2ndChoic3 16d ago
Communism always looks good on paper, but never in action.
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u/senohara 16d ago
Not to be rude but you're not convincing anyone with premade comebacks
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u/Lazzarus_Defact 16d ago
ReAd SoMe ThEoRy BrUh!
just don't look at the practice
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u/AerodynamicCos 15d ago
You mean don't look atAnarchist Catalonia, San Francisco after the great earthquake, Kurdish communities right now, & how society ran for millenia
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u/Silverlord2021 16d ago
When I was young I supported communism. Ardently.
The thing is though, children get all their money from other people. I had a job from as young as I could, but I still got money from my family obviously for food. A house. My bed. My schooling.
And to any child who has that decent standard, communism seems to be fair. Thatās the baseline for how we all should live. āMu life is the baselineā
Thereās some major problems with that.
In the west we live in a relatively very rich countries. But communism is at its heart a global initiative, itās easy to argue for communism only in America or Australia. Weāre insanely rich.
But thatās still elitism. Communism is workers of the world unite. That means you have to spread out all the wealth across the world.
You ever been to India? To the slums? The poor states? You have millions homeless. They just sleep on a mat in the middle of the street. Millions of them. Millions are starving.
You have to share all your wealth with all the poorer people.
Suddenly the average baseline drops to living in a tenement, cramped quarters. Are you willing, as a western person, to live like that? Donāt say you live in a share house, you already do. For the rest of your life live in a small apartment that you raise 2.5 kids in.
Ask those high school students if theyād be willing to do it?
On top of that. Humanity rarely shares well. Even amongst trade unions labor politics, and socialism/communism parties and governments, thereās always an elite. Thereās always forms of privilege. Under capitalism you attain privilege by being rich, Under communism you attain privilege by being closer to the heart of the communist party.
You think Stalin ate like his comrades who were filling the potatoe fields? You think Mao went hungry during the Great Leap Forward?
They lived like kings. The whole system came to resemble something closer to feudalism. Where just like feudalistic societies, the merchant classes were abhorred, and peasantry was seen as more noble than mercantile trade. You had a pyramid of privilege. Stemming from the head of the party.
As noble as it is to say, true communism therefore has never been tried. Whenever it gets tried it always leads to that same outcome. An immensely privileged few who derive privilege via politics vs wealth. Their enforcers who obviously have to be kept loyal. The peasants. The proles.
On even a local level, the same way rich kids only get a slap on the wrist, criminals with ties to the party get less or no sentences. Can use their connections to harass their neighbours or receive special behaviour from their peers.
Itās not a capitalism or communism problem. At its heart itās a human problem. Most of us, given power will be tyrants. We donāt think we will be. But in that lies the folly. Catch 22 of logic. When you become a tyrant, you still think, Iām not a tyrant because I know I could never become one.
The one thing I found very valuable in more right wing independent thinkers. They value above all independence, and self reliance.
One thing that communism does, is it forces you to be reliant on the state. They control the grain: they control the petrol. They control the housing. Dependency allows for abuse. If youāre not dependent you can always walk away. You got no choice at all under communism.
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u/Isabelleqt 16d ago
Most of the problems outlined here are problems with communism that has a vertical power structure wich are generally governments that turn cruel or become single leader states Horizontal power is far superior to further comunism or anny left won't ideology be it I'm the form of Luxembourgism aka council comunism or in a more libertarian way Several left states where built up like that bit all of them collapsed in one way or another Such as Catalonia during the Spanish civil war
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u/content_providor 16d ago
There are no communists, there are just fascists that roleplay as communists online to be their own strawmen.
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u/Dryym 16d ago
I am gonna be completely honest with you. I went to look at your profile to try and get insight as to what political beliefs fueled this comment since I couldn't tell if it was anti-communism, Or making fun of tankies. I was not quite expecting what I saw there.
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u/VitaminDprived 16d ago
...Oh. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear.
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u/Whisper 16d ago
Did the kid then murder all his classmates? Or just the ones wearing glasses?
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u/Urbane_One 16d ago
Even the most hardline Authoritarian Communists of today tend to decry Pol Potās actions as inhuman, genocidal, and pointless. His motivations were questionable, his theories were insane, and his attempts to put them into practice are among the most monstrous acts ever committed by any person in human history.
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u/RStonePT 15d ago
no one ever quite gets far enough to the:
And this is why it couldn't happen again
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u/Terminus-Rex 16d ago
Thatās no different than someone running as a fascist though.
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u/Ill_Consideration_72 16d ago
How? Communism whether workable or not is just a reorganisation of the economy into a stateless classless moneyless society, fascism is literally based on ultra nationalism, ethnic supremacy, hatred for human rights, fear mongering and disdain for other groups especially minorities within said states etc the list goes on.
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u/linkuei-teaparty 16d ago
Haha this is too good. What were the arguments ? Did they quote Karl Marx?
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u/Quirky-Breakfast-844 16d ago
IMO - families are basically benevolent communist dictatorships so it's natural for kids to value socialist ideals.
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u/mrlamename 16d ago
So votes were being counted in real-time?