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u/[deleted] 16d ago
Basically anything these people don’t support is automatically communism or socialism
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u/MissWibb 16d ago
Basically anything these people don’t UNDERSTAND is communism.
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u/Dreamer_Drummer 16d ago
I doubt that these people even understand COMMUNISM
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u/Callinon 16d ago
They absolutely don't. It's a word that just embodies everything they fear and hate. Its actual meaning is completely irrelevant.
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u/IsThisAGoodName4Meh Not a Covidiot 16d ago
These people live everyday like it’s the peak of McCarthyism days during the 50s. Just no blacklisting of people from places.
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u/Key_Push_2487 🇩🇦🇼🇳 🇦🇲🇧🇪🇷 15d ago
Blacklisting is happening, it is just happening on the internet.
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u/IsThisAGoodName4Meh Not a Covidiot 15d ago
Well I know NNN, CoronavirusCirclejerk, and other overtly right wing subs do. My original comment was referring to major industries like Hollywood and such like in the 50’s.
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u/Key_Push_2487 🇩🇦🇼🇳 🇦🇲🇧🇪🇷 15d ago
Hollywood is doing it now as well, but instead of being right-leaning, they are doing it on the side of the left. Businesses are starting to soft-blacklist employees and sub-contractors through mandatory vaccinations, testing, sharing of vaccination status.
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u/epicninja717 15d ago
Thats not blacklisting dumbass, thats basic safety procedures.
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u/Key_Push_2487 🇩🇦🇼🇳 🇦🇲🇧🇪🇷 15d ago
No, basic safety would be masking, testing and distancing.
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u/kevlarcardhouse 15d ago
I shit you not, I've heard multiple people say they are refusing the vaccine because it promotes wokism. Some of these people only grasp key words used in their "alternative" media and parrot them and miss the rest of the story.
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u/AusCan531 16d ago
She insulted mah town, she insulted mah son, she insulted mah authority.... that's nothing but pure and simple Old-Fashioned Communism - Buford T. Justice.
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u/Macdonelll 16d ago
This has been the case for literally decades at this point, I wonder if it'll ever get old.
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u/Doriang69 16d ago
To us? It already is. To them? Well let's just say, lower intelligence animals can eat the same thing, every meal, every day, their entire life, they're not smart enough to get sick of it.
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u/Sokrydes 16d ago
Nothing wrong with socialism.
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u/[deleted] 16d ago
I mean..............kinda ?
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u/Oberarzt 16d ago
Kinda like how anyone who opposes them is fascist for neo-n**i. Politics are gross
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u/[deleted] 16d ago
Umm not really
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u/Oberarzt 15d ago
It's literally the same thing. I'm assuming you are just too far on one side of the political spectrum so you don't see the flaws of your own "team".
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u/PMMEYOURCOOLDRAWINGS 15d ago
Are you going to be designing anymore fantasy nazi flags anytime soon?
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u/Itisi-no-really 16d ago
Forcing people to support a political idea is totalitarianism. I believe that's what you and the guy in the OP meant.
Communism is an economic system, not a political one. Just saying.
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u/xHeyItzRosiex 16d ago
Isn’t Nascar the most redneck republican thing ever? Also baseball??? wtf lol this guy on some weird shit
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u/GummieBearConfetti 16d ago
Nascar now has a black driver in their ranks. And I think another has a rainbow flag on their car or something.
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u/TheAnimeWaifuFucker 16d ago
Ah yes, anti-racism = communism
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u/Egorrosh 16d ago
Jokes aside, means of production owned by the people doesn't automatically equal communism.
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u/TexasSilhouette 16d ago
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.
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u/DepressiveNerd 16d ago
I mean, let’s just completely ignore the amount of revenue and sports tourism that brings money into cities and states which is pure capitalism, but they’re communist because they support black people not getting killed by a system that’s stacked against them…
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u/thorpbrian 16d ago edited 15d ago
I am dying for one of these people to say something like this to me in person so I can ask in as deadpan a tone as possible "Define communism correctly for me and I'll join you in boycotting whatever you would like."
I feel pretty safe I would be able to keep watching whatever sports I like.
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u/zubotai 16d ago
Funny how the NFL was great when they preached about the military but civil rights is a step to far.
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u/Primal_Inferno 16d ago
Dude, conservatives are weird as shit.
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u/zubotai 16d ago
They have lost their values. Morality is gone. Empathy is gone. Working for blue color jobs are gone they only work for the rich now. They need to remove the base and get back to the center.
Honestly so does the left. First party to get back to the center will have power for a very long time.
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u/Floridaboylookatmeme 16d ago
Human rights and equality = communism; Human rights and equality = Some of the ideas America was built on; American values = communism
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u/epsteinisclinton 16d ago
Nascar? Like 90% of their fan base are trump supporters. As a liberal nascar fan I would know.
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u/Bo_Jim 16d ago
"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."
Patrisse Cullors, co-founder BLM, 2015
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u/wolves_of_bongtown 15d ago
It's really common for colossal dumbfucks to hear that some activist or another is Marxist or informed by Marxist theory, and then extrapolate that to mean that the movement is Marxist or communist. Most of them couldn't read Marx, much less understand the theory.
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u/Bo_Jim 15d ago
This is not some random activist. It is two of the three founders of BLM.
Only a moron would use Marxism to sell a movement. The vast majority of people would reject it. But you can achieve the same goals as a Marxist movement by rallying people around a cause they agree with. This begins with tearing down the defenses that protect a society. Abolish the police, or at least diminish their capacity so that they cannot or will not respond. Convince people that the government and economic structure of society are the root cause of the evil you're rallying against. The government structure is the democratic republic. The economic structure is capitalism. They claim these are inherently flawed and cannot exist without causing racism and police violence. Therefore, the only way to eliminate racism and police violence is to tear down the democratic republic and eliminate capitalism.
Once people believe that then you can tear down both the government and economic structure of society, and nobody will intervene because they believe they're tearing down racism and police violence. The people who lead the movement can then step in and establish a new government and economic system - communism and socialism.
It's a Marxist revolution hiding behind a different flag.
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u/wolves_of_bongtown 15d ago edited 15d ago
Only a moron thinks a movement that's trying to stop the state from murdering citizens needs better salesmanship. Edit: I'm rereading your comment and mine, and I realize that I commented mostly out of anger and completely missed your point. I'm sorry.
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u/PMMEYOURCOOLDRAWINGS 15d ago
Co founder? That’s like calling someone the ceo of the civil right movement. It’s a movement, not a company or club. No one knows who Patrice Cullors is.
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u/Bo_Jim 15d ago
Time Magazine apparently knows who she is. Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi - the three founders of Black Lives Matter - were included in the Time 100 in 2020, an annual list of the 100 most influential people in the world.
Black Lives Matter did not exist until these three women created it in 2013.
BLM is an established international organization under the umbrella of the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. Local and regional chapters are sanctioned by the Foundation.
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u/RabidGuy 16d ago
Better only drive on private roads. And buy that car from a private company as well because all the big names get government handouts. Jeesh.
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u/NirvanaPenguin 16d ago
well people, lets put more money into the moon and mars bases cause earth is going to shit...
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u/YGOInsider 15d ago
America: Everything I don’t like is communism
Wanna have some broccoli?
America: You’re a communist!!!
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u/lethargytartare 15d ago
Just one less guy I have to explain the balk rule to in youtube comments. Good riddance.
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u/evensplit6839 15d ago
Bro, MLB has no salary cap so it's literally the least "communist" sport out of any in our country lol
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u/IHaveNeverSeenTheSun 14d ago
Communism, Socialism call it what you like, I don't give a flying fuck bout the left or the right.
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u/DaddyDemonix 16d ago
I mean, think sports are completely pointless and too much money is spend on them, but this guy is fucking stupid, like "Holy shit! How does he remember how to breath? " Stupid.
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u/Elfboy2099 16d ago
This logic… sense, it doesn’t make.
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u/Primal_Inferno 16d ago
The people who started the movement ≠ the movement itself.
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u/Con_Aquila 16d ago
It is the main published focus of several of the sub organizations as well as the international one, as well as a political goal that they advocate for via campaign donation and lobbying. It is not so easy to seperate the movement from that goal when so many of the original organizers left for that shift.
Police reform is desperately needed however the BLM movement is moving away from that reform to trying to "reform" a much larger swathe of societal institutions. Like there are simple narrow reforms that could have been easily pushed by BLM during the height of their popularity but they didn't, mandatory Brady list publishing, spreading the ACLU secure police monitoring APP, Jury Nullification, better Neighborhood communication with police to end us v them mentality. That last one was actually protested directly by the national BLM organization publicly.
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u/Primal_Inferno 16d ago
Right, I see what both your, and the comment I replied to are saying. However, the point still stands that BLM is not, in itself, a communist ideal.
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u/Con_Aquila 16d ago
It is inseparable from the communist leanings and goals of the group organizers that wield institutional power. It underpins on both a theory and praxis level the organization that openly directs the movement and shapes public discourse.
Sorry man unless BLM makes a radical turn they are openly tied with communism. Which sucks because the original police reform ideas are needed but now lost because of their devotion to those ideas (communism, destruction of the nuclear family, CRT) instead of actual reform .
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u/clever_username23 15d ago
It is inseparable from the communist leanings and goals of the group organizers that wield institutional power.
If you understood any of the words you're using, you would realize how unintelligible this sentence is.
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u/Con_Aquila 15d ago
Thanks for demonstrating how people don't understand Praxis vs theory.
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u/clever_username23 15d ago
My point is that communism is about removing hierarchal relationships, so someone can't be a communist, and "wield institutional power." You're mixing up Marxism and Communism. They fact that you think those statements are interchangeable, and that you use the words "praxis" and "theory" just shows, that you don't actually understand any of those words. So as I said, If you understood any of the words you're using, you'd know how intelligible that sentence was.
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u/Con_Aquila 15d ago
And thank you for demonstrating that you don't understand the difference between methods meant to obtain an end goal and the end goal itself.
Like if you actually knew you what you were talking about you would know Marx's own writings talked about creating organizations and social institutions to achieve his end goal. Feel free to read up on Marx and Engles idea of revolutionary terror, and destroying institutions to replace them.
Also Marx is considered the Father of modern socialism and communism, and BLM openly calls for redistribution of wealth and destruction of the current economic system there is no confusion nice try though.
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u/Primal_Inferno 16d ago
Huh. Well thank you. Looking into it, I see and agree with what you are saying. It’s a fact. I accept that I lost. However, with that being said, I still think that racial inequality is present and needs fixed.
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u/Con_Aquila 16d ago
Yeah man, like when 80 percent of even African-American neighborhoods want to keep the present level of Police or increase it, but BLM as an organization can swing Defunding we know it is not actually acting in the interest of its people. https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx
As for racial inequality agreed as well just have different ways of going about it.
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u/NoidZ 16d ago
BLM is a political Marxist movement. Marxism examines the effect of capitalism on labor, productivity, and economic development and argues for a worker revolution to overturn capitalism in favor of communism.
You can call BLM whatever you want, but if the idea behind it is bringing Marxism these peeps are actually right. The founders of BLM are now rich at though so they don't care anymore now.
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u/I_tend_to_correct_u 15d ago
The idea that all of these millionaire sportsmen are somehow now ardent marxists is hilarious. Even more hilarious is the people who believe this unquestionably. In my entire life I have only ever met one actual marxist. Now apparently they’re everywhere tricking everyone by never mentioning marxism, ever, and instead only talking about the fact that black people in the US are disproportionately killed by policemen. It’s a sneaky tactic for sure.
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u/Stuckinfetalposition 16d ago edited 16d ago
Although I won't comment on the organization itself, it's co-founder Patrisse Khan-Cullors describes herself as a Marxist, stating "We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists..." while citing Angela Davis, Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin and Mao Zedong for their influence in her beliefs.
Edit: Also, I think the person in the post is an idiot, I just think that their is some legitimacy in the claim of BLM being atleast founded by communists
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u/tlw1842 16d ago
The dude would have been better off saying that BLM should be declared a domestic terrorist organization, which he wouldn't support, because they fit the definition of that SO MUCH MORE ACCURATELY than communism. We aren't ready for that conversation though.
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u/Primal_Inferno 16d ago
The definition of a terrorist is “a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” So I see what you’re saying, however that is not the ideal that I support. Me and folks like me, simply agree that (minus the riots) protests are the best way to solve the racial inequality in the US and other countries.
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u/clever_username23 15d ago
“a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”
The funniest thing about this definition is that they had to add the caveat "unlawful" because without that one word, that definition applies to every state ever. They just make the laws, so they make it so that their violence, is legal. Silly, silly world this.
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u/tlw1842 16d ago
Indeed, protest is a good measure. I also support ways to make every person have equal opportunity under the law. However, BLM tends to destroy everywhere they "protest", demand you bend the knee to their ideology or suffer their wrath, and make you out to be a racist if you pose any other system other than that of what they propose on their platform. Further, they claim that they are for all races, but I don't see them protesting for those at the southern border, or have I ever. I don't ever, or have ever, seen them protest for Asian/Asian American inequalities, and where have they been for Native Americans? Shit, where have they been against Mayor Lightfoot in Chicago? Truth is, they primarily stick to one racial inequality...the African American inequality. They don't care about anyone else until someone calls them on it, and then they might do something simple to seem like they aren't biased. Further, even if they did get something actually done in government for racial inequality, what is the guarantee that they wouldn't try to prioritize African Americans before any other race, like in the case of reparations demands? It would seem like the Civil Rights Act doesn't even matter anymore, and nobody wants to move towards decency. Everyone just lets BLM run a train on the country, when we should all just work on respecting and talking to each other again, as a start. There's too much division.
So, BLM as communists? Largely, I don't think so. A domestic terrorist organization? Yeah.
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u/Primal_Inferno 16d ago
I agree. All races should be equal and we need to start showing the same support for other unequal minorities; like what you said. It’s called Black Lives Matter though. Perhaps incorporating other races in blm or similar movements will suffice however my or your voice alone can’t do that unfortunately. And I agree with what you said about other ideals are considered racist to an extent. Obviously it fits with what I just said but you have to shine a positive light on it as well.
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u/tlw1842 15d ago
It's weird though. Somehow, saying that "all lives matter" became a racist terminology for, I believe, white supremacy. It's almost like even though every single person's life does matter equally, and we should seek to give each other the same rights and protections, that term was raped into oblivion because it didn't fit the agenda. Sorry for going too off topic when this was meant to be about BLM being communists, but there is just a whole lot more evidence to show that they demonstrate more qualities of a terrorist organization.
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u/PunchBeard 15d ago
One thousand dollar tickets, sports apparel that can cost hundreds of dollars, salaries in the millions......yep, sounds like communism to me all right.
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u/TheGreatOpoponax 16d ago
That's fine. It represents an overall increase in the collective IQ of U.S. sports fans.
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u/Primal_Inferno 16d ago
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u/djinnisequoia 16d ago
I think they meant the average IQ.i.e., one less cretin dragging everybody's score down.
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u/MoshedPotato93 16d ago
I mean his chain is weird but the two founders of BLM have said themselves they're "trained communist organizers".
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u/Primal_Inferno 15d ago
I’ve said this in another comment and I’ll say it again. The “founders” ≠ the movement itself
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u/MoshedPotato93 15d ago
That's a fair point, but you have to admit the founders do set the tone. BLM could have been something much better than what it turned out to be, it's unfortunate.
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u/Primal_Inferno 15d ago
It was very successful. Everything has room for improvement
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u/MoshedPotato93 15d ago
If succeeding was burning millions in property, killing 19 unrelated people and souring most of the public not found on Twitter with a blue checkmark against them, then yeah I guess so.
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u/Primal_Inferno 15d ago
Those were rioters. They took advantage of the situation. That’s not BLM
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u/MoshedPotato93 15d ago
It doesn't matter at this point, BLM has been irrevocably linked in the public perception to those events. Plenty of those rioters were using BLM iconography and slogans.
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u/psion1369 15d ago
So many comments here trying to say that it's just people equating something they don't like to communism when actually it comes from an interview with BLM founders where they admitted they were Marxist. https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
Still racist as all hell to ignore the message because a founder is a communist. Wait until these idiots learn that Jesus has Socialist ideals.
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u/CalabreseAlsatian 16d ago
I would pay that person $20 for their definition of communism without any outside help- and then compare it to the actual definition.
I expect significant inaccuracies.