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u/TheDivineDemon 25d ago edited 25d ago
In fairness it took some work with the polio vaccine, like having a cultural icon get the shot on TV... but even if we tried that now I'm pretty sure all we'd here is "The Hollywood elite are trying trick us!"
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u/WideAd9209 25d ago
Well not even trump getting the vaccine could turn their heads. It's too far gone
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u/drunkwasabeherder 25d ago
Well not even trump getting the vaccine could turn their heads.
They're continually spinning 360 degrees, it's the stopping part that's hard.
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u/Sparky-Malarky 25d ago
Trump quietly got vaccinated before leaving the White House. If he had advocated for it he could have saved lives, but he didn’t care.
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u/its_ya_boi_wulf 25d ago
I remember this actually. Now if only his followers would listen to him in this case
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u/ArrrGaming 25d ago
He also advocated for a bunch of bullshit like hydroxychloroquine and routinely refused to wear a mask.
So while I do remember him saying that phrase it’s hardly like he was the advocate he could have been.
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u/colorcorrection 25d ago
Yeah, his one little tweet might as well have been a whisper among all of his denial, refusal to wear a mask, demanding cities either open up or citizens should rise up against lock downs, holding rallies in the face of a pandemic, and all the other countless BS he did that would make this comment too long if I listed them all.
He barely emphasized getting vaccinated, refused to publicly acknowledge that he got vaccinated, continued to fan the flames that the whole thing was a political attack on him, and when he did say to get vaccinated it was with heavy emphasis on what a good job he did more than encouraging people.
And you've seen that perfectly play out, with people refusing to get vaccinated because covid is a hoax, but also claiming that the vaccine rollout was 100% thanks to papa 45 and he should be praised for it.
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u/mdp300 25d ago
He doesn't care if people actually get the vaccine or not. He just wants the credit for it.
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u/Kitchen_Heron_4562 25d ago
It mattered to him insofar as it would help him keep power. Same as the Hunter Biden BS that got him impeached, his kids are exhibit A that doesn't care about kids enriching themselves on the family name.
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u/DarZhubal 25d ago
He also read a sign that said "UV rays and bleach are known to kill the virus on surfaces" and took that as a suggestion to inject the two into the human body. The man had no idea what the heck he was talking about.
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u/Infamous_Sleep 25d ago
Get those "shots" everyone!
Shots in quotations of course, because he can't just say something like a normal adult, let alone with a Presidential quality. Something like, I dunno:
"Dear Americans, I received my vaccination today and it went well. For love of country and our fellow Americans, please get the vaccine, and let's make America great again!"
Wow, I came up with that right now, and it's more profound and meaningful than anything Trump tweeted about all 4 years.
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u/kelrunner 25d ago
Yes Yes YES. The finest pres. ever. Right up there with Abraham, just ask him. /s (Had to label that /s because I didn't want it to be misunderstood.)
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u/greg-en 25d ago
trump spouted so much crap it's really overwhelming. trump DID on some occasions advocate for vaccinations for covid.
He ALSO on many more occasions advocated against it, actively worked against efforts to vaccinate people, and uses the political gains of the anti-vax movements which he fully supports.
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u/tatumwashere 25d ago
I almost wish they would’ve just called it the trump vaccine so at least more trumpers would get it.
I’m sure there are some Democrats that wouldn’t want to get a “trump” vaccine but I doubt that number would be more than the number of trumpers that don’t want to get the vaccine because the dems are pushing for it.
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u/kelrunner 25d ago
Opinion: pretty sure that trump has had the vax, as well as most of fox news and republicans who make a living being anti vaxers.
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u/Ooji 25d ago
He has had the vaccine, despite already having had Covid. This is the detail that needs to be emphasized
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u/Smiling_Cannibal 25d ago
Could? Didn't is more accurate as it is pretty common knowledge that he was like 1st in line to get it
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u/kricket53 25d ago
tHat wAs a pSy-0p, the real donald is being held by the evil blood drinking pedoelites!!!!!!
hopefully i dont need to add this, but /s
who knows anymore lol people believe even crazier shit than my shitpost nowadays XD
edit: also wanted to add that i was the 420th person to upvote ur comment, so yeah. niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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u/SOULJAR 25d ago
if we tried that now I'm pretty sure all we'd here is "The Hollywood elite are trying trick us!"
and to be fair, is it really that illogical and hard to believe that Melissa McCarthy and Brad Pitt etc are all part of a secret cabal, working together to kill their audience with deadly vaccines? I mean when you say it that way it sounds pretty compelling, doesn't it?
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u/slutshaa 25d ago
100% sure if Bob Ross was alive he'd be doing the same
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u/Heathen_ 25d ago
Ol Bob has seen War, he was a Master Sargent, yet turned to painting after his service. He'd be first in line to get a shot.
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u/muklan 25d ago
It's almost like there's some really effective systematic psy ops campaign working to control media narratives in a way that weakens America?
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u/UndoingMonkey 25d ago
And/or we are just dumb
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u/darsparx 25d ago
I'm leaning towards the dumb part tbh
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u/Minerva567 25d ago
I mean, doesn’t it take both? Idk why we underrate Russia’s deployment of psychology and sociology as weapons. Look at how they conducted the social media narrative in 2016. The less stable we are, the more opportunity there is for them. This isn’t conspiracy bull shit or anything, it’s just…they’re really good at it, and have been for a long time.
Now toss in our over-reliance on intuition vs rationality, which helped our species stay alive in primeval times, even when we were technically critically endangered for a period. While still valuable, in 2021 we need rationality more, but it takes considerable, conscious effort (for most of us) to be truly rational. Civilization and, subsequently, globalized civilization, are new, and we aren’t able to take out the old CPUs and adjust with the times. I hope our descendants see that evolve. If Homo sapiens make it that far, I do believe nothing can stop us as a mostly consequentialist “group.”
Sprinkle in the concerted effort to condition the population so they celebrate the same concentrated power that uses, abuses and controls their intuitive senses. Edward Bernays knew that. So do propagandists today, they just don’t call themselves that. That’s not even touching a public education system still structured for grooming conformity in factory settings…
As an aside, they scream about the free market. They fear “brown people” destroying our society and taking jobs. Meanwhile, we paid for the development of automation through the Air Force and Navy for four decades and then gave it to corporations who didn’t have to waste their precious cash piles on R&D, and then those piles were subsequently enlarged by liquidating workforces.
Sorry I went too long. And didn’t scrape the surface, really. It just makes a lot of sad sense how a portion of the population either doesn’t believe or doesn’t know the details of evolution, meanwhile the oligarchy uses these facts against the populace, just like the virus does. And here we are. Fucking sucks man.
Edit: on, not of*
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u/NapClub 25d ago
by no means is this just a russia thing, fox news and now imitators have been pushing anti intellectualism for decades, sowing distrust in the government.
keeping the people dumb has been a major goal of the american right for even longer.
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u/Minerva567 25d ago
Absolutely! I hope I was clear in that (too) long post. Russia plays an important role, but it’s more effective because the American public, at least a large portion, has been primed, conditioned, indoctrinated, robbed, and dumbed down by concentrated power in the US.
And these same people would defend concentrated power interests to the death…like the stories of people dying but refusing to accept Obamacare.
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u/DisastrousBoio 25d ago
Having Trump in power benefited Russia immensely. He did incalculable damage and allowed uncountable masses of wealth to be transferred and kept among the Russian oligarchy.
Anti-vax movements are tangentially useful but, like “perv porn” and other more fringe Russian psy-ops theories, has less of a political net gain and more blowback on their own population.
Russia might be leading the culture war, but a lot of the craziest anti-vax stuff really is homegrown stupidity.
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u/staytrue1985 25d ago
We are pretty dumb. All of us. Everyone should stop pretending you know the right answers. Stop hating other people who disagree with you. Approach ideas with a scientific mindset. Allow facts be evidence to change your mind, and always be searching for ways in which your theory is wrong. I'm a fucking idiot lord and I was able to figure this out so hopefully we all can.
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u/mandelboxset 25d ago
The problem is it takes a level of intelligence to know what you don't know, and media has been actively telling Americans the opposite for decades.
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u/SockFullOfNickles 25d ago
It’s just the gutting of the Fairness Doctrine. Without it, corporate media can say whatever they want and call it news. Under the Fairness Doctrine, Tucker Carlson would require a big disclaimer prior to it starting about how it’s not factual and for entertainment purposes only.
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u/kricket53 25d ago
yeah it didnt happen overnight, the march of dimes really got things moving. another factor is that polio has visible, undeniable physical effects, whereas covid is often seemingly invisible due to asymptomatic carriers, and a lot of younger people getting sick, recovering, and thinking "its not a big deal"(despite the fact that they very well may have permanent lung scarring, increased stroke/heart attack risk/etc.)
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u/kelrunner 25d ago
I was young when the polio vax came out but what I "think" I remember was that polio was a real mystery, struck anyone any time. Iron lungs. Isolation. Scary shit. And, again my memory is faulty, but the disease was little understood by the average person and the vax was a mystery as well. Same as covid but the refusal idiots simply were not as many or as verbal as now. We know a lot more now, a lot more, so the anti vaxers have NO excuse for their stupidity. It is simply impossible for me to imagine that they exist in the numbers that they do.
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u/ShutTheFukUpDonny 25d ago
Go read the YouTube comments on the video of Dolly Parton getting the vaccine. Vultures absolutely shitting all over her and refuting their once almighty fandom. Bunch of fucking toddlers.
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u/Key_Push_2487 🇩​🇦​🇼​🇳​ 🇦​🇲​🇧​🇪​🇷 25d ago
And in all fairness, Polio was more dangerous for children 5 and younger, adults are less likely to to contract it and child mortality 5-8x higher with polio, people were more trusting of the government and misinformation was called, "News".
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u/Iamatworkgoaway 25d ago
They didn't trust it back then either, rightfully so, they had production issues with the Salk vaccine and it caused it to be pulled from the market in 59. Only after a large study in Russia did the FDA approve the Sabin vax. in 60. Then it took to 85 for them to really ramp up the push for 100%. Pretending that polio was wiped out quick is misleading at best.
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u/ieg879 25d ago
The issues with the Salk vaccine were strictly due to commercial manufacturers not following proper protocols developed by Salk. Sabin refused to believe an inactivated vaccine could work, and used the failure of manufacturers to further tarnish Salk's vaccine. The Sabin vaccine which was then used for the next 30 years was actually the more dangerous of the two (as long as they were manufactured properly). It could have been wiped out quickly IF the manufacturers hadn't tried to cut corners. We now use the Salk vaccine today.
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u/sinaurora 25d ago
Right. Nothing changes. Although with the internet, they can feel more validation in their paranoia.
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u/earthwormjim91 25d ago
That’s not entirely true though. Adults are less likely to contract it (or at least show symptoms since >70% of infections are completely asymptomatic), but far more likely to die from it if it becomes paralytic. 2/3 of cases at the peak were 4-15 year olds and 1/3 were over 15.
Paralytic polio only accounts for 0.5% of all polio cases though, and the mortality rate of paralytic polio is 2-5% in children and 15-30% in adults.
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u/sinaurora 25d ago
Huge amount of high school age was impacted locally. I took care of scores of 80 plus yr adults that told stories of their classmates dying after a school dance.
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u/jakarterpants 25d ago
But the metals in the Vax will attract cars and I will get run over!
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u/italia06823834 25d ago
I for one can't wait to discover what super powers the metals will give me.
Enhanced senses? Enhanced strength? Effect other people's emotions? Push other metal telekinetically?
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u/Pepparkakan 25d ago
To be honest I'm a bit disappointed. Even after two shots my 5G reception is still trash.
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u/TheTrueThymeLord 25d ago
Congratulations, your metal does nothing.
Actually you can burn off the rest of the aluminum instantly so there’s that
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u/DKIPurple 25d ago
To be fair, I'm sure there were anti-vaxxers back then, we just hear about more because of social media and the 24 hour news cycle
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u/Tenyearsuntiltheend 25d ago
There were anti-maskers for the Spanish flu too, they got shamed in just about the same way too. Seeing the historical record calling anti-maskers out as being fools is a little strange
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u/frogger_blogger 25d ago
Ah Wizard Poison. Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?
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u/Plenty_Excitement_16 25d ago
I mean I'd take my chances with regular poison, but wizard poison, brr.
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u/NonSp3cificActionFig 25d ago
Depends. Is wizard poison a poison made BY wizards or a type of poison targeted AT wizards? 🤔
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u/Djinn-Tonic 25d ago
You need your wizard poison or the wizards will steal your blood for dark magic.
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u/meh35m 25d ago
I don't know, i think I'd prefer the wizard poison.
i mean, it was the wizard poison that brought us the Harry Potter Puppet Pals. how bad could it really be?
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u/Garbleshift 25d ago
People in 1955 were still close enough to the reality of infectious diseases to be frightened by them, and close enough to WWII to understand that democracy can be corrupted from within by fascism.
Today the people who slept through history class and don't understand anything is real until it happens to them personally are being told by one of our political parties that their ignorance is patriotic.
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u/brightblueson 25d ago
This is it.
People say “this is their first time in my life I’m that I see…”.
It’s narcissistic behavior mixed with selfishness and ignorance.
It’s a deadly combination.
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u/RaynSideways 25d ago
Today the people who slept through history class and don't understand anything is real until it happens to them personally are being told by one of our political parties that their ignorance is patriotic.
Really good and concise way to put it.
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u/Habitwriter 25d ago
We have a different problem here in Australia. Many immigrants of the last 40 years have come from countries such as former communist states, middle eastern theocracies and dictatorships/totalitarian regimes. They don't trust the government and fear the public health advice is conditioning to becoming what they fled from.
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u/Garbleshift 25d ago
Really? Seems to me that people who fled to Australia would've done so because they knew it was better than the place they left.
What percentage of Australia's population is comprised of these immigrants, and what percentage of your vax refusers?
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u/Habitwriter 25d ago
In Sydney, the suburbs are very tribal. Parts of the West where the Delta variant is spreading most and has the lowest vaccine rates have high numbers of immigrants from the Middle East and Vietnam. I'm not sure about the exact numbers but NSW health have been working very hard to get messages to community leaders etc. They've repeatedly said in press conferences, 'our government is perhaps not like the government of where you came'. I also had many friends from former communist countries spreading these assertions that this is how the control starts. I say had because you can't convince these people that masks and vaccines are public health necessities.
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u/Mujokan 25d ago
As far as I ever saw, immigrants love the health service in Australia. Sounds like a factoid from the peer-reviewed journal "Proceedings Pulled out of my Arse".
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u/MammothDimension 25d ago
Modern day Russia has the same issue. The Baltic states see it too, to a lesser extent.
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u/Cat_King_Joe_Normal 25d ago
Vaccines in those days weren’t political. The media screwed up by saying you couldn’t get covid at BLM rallies or ex presidents birthday parties or politicians weddings, but totally can by going to small businesses or having family over for Thanksgiving. The media lost the people’s trust.
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u/BarnBody 25d ago
But also now our government is more of a bullshit propaganda machine than ever. Can't believe anything they say. (I'm vaccinated) still think something really fucked up is happening and I trust our government -1000%
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u/hiker1628 25d ago
In 1955 people had an external enemy, the communists. Today, people have been lied to by the government about Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Trust has gone way down.
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u/JackBurton12 25d ago
Agreed. Sometimes I wish aliens would officially show themselves so that we could come together as a united planet of people instead of this connected yet further apart than we've ever been world. Lol we need a common goal as humans again.
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u/Vlada_Ronzak 25d ago
Like we came together as a planet for COVID?
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u/RaynSideways 25d ago
COVID's invisible to the naked eye so it's easier to convince yourself it isn't real.
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u/brightblueson 25d ago
Humanity was probably already conquered (for the safety of the galaxy) thousands of years ago.
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u/system-user 25d ago
that's likely when the simulation began, and all we've ever known has been a non-utopian dream state that keeps us sequestered from the rest of the galaxy to ensure that humanity doesn't fuck things up for the rest of the galaxy again.
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u/1498268465 25d ago
Today, people have been lied to by the government about Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
You're forgetting the big one: outsourcing. Politicians in the 90s swore up and down that outsourcing was going to create jobs and raise everybody's standard of living. Instead it put 5 million people out of work and reversed life expectancy gains.
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u/fobfromgermany 25d ago
The outsourcing did produce immense value, it just wasn’t shared with everyone. It went to the upper classes almost exclusively. The ratio of CEO pay to avg worker pay is staggeringly higher now than decades ago.
The working classes bore the brunt of the negatives while the wealthy and powerful reaped all of the benefits. It’s the age-old American adage: socialize the risks and privatize the profits
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u/penny-wise 25d ago
There is also a large and unhealthy community of people willing to create even more lack of trust in reality for personal power and profit.
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u/Redribbet 25d ago
The first polio vaccines also had problems. This is a bad example. This is the example you use to tell people not to get the vaccine.
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u/rando-321 25d ago
This goes against the narrative redditor. True though, the first polio vaccine actually gave polio and killed and caused polio in kids and was abandoned. People who were at first vaccine hesitant waited and got the upgraded polio shot were better protected.
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u/Redribbet 25d ago
To be honest I’m saddened to see that when I was going down the list of top comments I didn’t see this truth up there. Maybe it was buried somewhere. People are ignorant on both sides, and both sides are blindly egotistical about it. I don’t think it helps us in the end and I think it just encourages people to stand firmer.
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u/rando-321 25d ago
I think it is buried somewhere. People on both sides have blinders sometimes. Hope the best for humanity.
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u/kennoo01 25d ago
1) 70%+ of Americans over 18 have the first dose
2) if COVID killed kids like polio did (less than 400 COVID deaths under 18 to date) you’d see virtually no vaccine hesitancy.
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u/m012892 25d ago
Seriously. It’s not rocket science. Couple this with distrust in media/government agendas and you’ll see why some people took the “wait and see” approach.
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u/toxcrusadr 25d ago
By golly you're right, the official CDC number is 354. I thought it would be higher.
Still a lot of children though.
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u/coolbird1 25d ago
In 2018 ~600 children ages 10-14 died of suicide. 450 children 10-14 died of cancer. The fact that COVID deaths for ages 0-18 are less than both of these numbers shows how skewed risk perception has become
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u/BostonBrandToots 25d ago
Dude. 80%+ of people in Canada who died were not only the elderly, but elderly in care homes. It's a very, very specific cohort of people who were at immediate risk.
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u/[deleted] 25d ago
Honest question, do you not understand the dangers of hospital overflow and mutations? Like it really feels like there are a lot of really fucking dumb people that don’t understand that covid people taking all the icu beds will result is deaths non covid related. Or that viruses mutate when allowed to spread freely. It really sounds like you all could be one of idiots.
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u/No_Refrigerator4584 25d ago
What gets me though is that some people look at that number, then look at their kids and say “I’ll take those odds.”
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u/HansHanson 25d ago
Just to mention Polio has a fatality rate that is at least 10 to 50 times higher.
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u/theDisturbedObserver 25d ago
A wise man once told me: " Having a smartphone doesn't make you smart ".
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u/Tricky_Target_9611 25d ago
this post is so cherry picked 🤣🤣🤣 smallpox vaccine came out before polio and people were up in arms. people accepted polio better than that but there was still some opposition. and after polio, people became up in arms again. the reason it was accepted though was because polio is terrifying. it paralyzes the lungs and can get into the spinal cord and paralyze the body. it is a very slow, torturous virus. people who contracted it died at a rate of 15-30% for adults and 5-10% for children. and those who survived it often took decades to recover. with covid, the death rate in the us is under 2%, and there is only one nation that its over 3%. a great bulk of people who get it are asymptomatic and most children who get it are fine. its not really that much of a wonder why people are choosing not to get the vaccine.
but get this (ill get downvoted for this because of the current political environment but it is true). experts theorize that the reason polio hit western, developed countries harder than others was due to cleanliness standards. infants and young children would contract it through drinking water, etc. and their bodies could fight off the disease. because of our sanitary standards, people stopped catching it so early which caused the bulk of complications later in life.
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u/homelessgranddad 25d ago
An uneducated, non-critical population is far easier to control and oppress. It has been a concentrated effort these last 60 years to achieve this goal, and "they" have done it quite well.
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u/cloneketsuji 25d ago
It’s partially due to the existence of those external world-brains.
Which are actually external bubble-chambers that confuse many of us who listen to echos of our own misunderstanding and fear.
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u/MyHandsAreCorrosive 25d ago
Echoes of Misunderstanding and Fear sounds like an early 2000s punk band that never made it big.
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u/Johnny_Fuckface 25d ago
The population of Earth was 2.75 billion in 1955, there was no social media and they fucked up the rollout back then. This is entirely a consequence of larger numbers of stupid people with better methods for organization.
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u/CartographerLumpy752 25d ago
I just think it’s funny seeing people who are severely overweight, smoking, drinking, and ingesting massive amounts of caffeine every day talking about potential side effects of a vaccine and not wanting to put unnecessary chemicals in their body. But maybe that’s just me 🤷‍♂️
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u/herfds99 25d ago
It's calles the erosion of pubic trust. Nobody to blame but leadership.
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u/m012892 25d ago
Bingo. I’ve never seen a government push something so hard to the public. If they just shared the facts without political spin/censorship, I’m confident we would have higher Vax rates.
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u/berni4pope 25d ago
Nobody to blame but leadership.
and the Corporations that own those people.
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u/JH_1 25d ago
At what point does the apathetic public at large get to shoulder some blame?
They buy the shit the corporations put out there. They vote for the “team” or cult of personality set in front of them.
They choose to stay ignorant on broader platforms and policy nuance. They feed off the 24 hour news cycle because their attention span can’t handle more than a 10 second sound bite.
They don’t demand better, nevermind demand what they deserve. So they’re getting precisely what they asked for which is nothing of substance at all.
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u/canadarepubliclives 25d ago
Apathetic rage fills people with a sense of importance, as if the collective sigh of ennuie will enact change, but then they sleep through every election
Their emotional motivation is gone the moment they hit submit.
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u/Knightmare945 25d ago
It’s funny. We have the totality of human knowledge and experience at our fingertips and it’s actually making us dumber.
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u/bidencares 25d ago
They recalled the polio vaccine lol. Lots of people were damaged. History could help you.
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u/natali9233 25d ago
I remember having a conversation when I was a teenager with my now anti-vaxx mom about the polio vaccine and how groundbreaking and important it was when it came out when she was young. It’s really disheartening that the same woman who had so much faith in that vaccine, has so little faith in the one for covid. I know misinformation is being spread much more rapidly than it was back then, but polio killed a fraction of the people that Covid already has, and it’s insane and maddening that these same people refuse to take a vaccine for an illness that has killed far more people.
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u/themarknessmonster 25d ago
The consequences of defunding the public education system are absolute.
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u/giovannigiannis 25d ago edited 25d ago
I understand that that the TV celebrities and news anchors and freeway-billboards and strangers in the street are demanding that each one of you get vaccinated. But can any one of you provide solid assurance that there will be no long term side effects? I mean, I know you’re all programmed to think that anyone who is still skeptical about the vaccine are folks who think in terms of micro crystals and gamma rays, but try to break free of your mental chains for a moment and tell me if you can you guarantee that I won’t end up with cancer in 6 years from this? Or that my unborn children won’t have deformities? Or that DDT and asbestos are bad for you? These are rhetorical questions, because I know that none of you can, and neither can your TV, despite their arrogant confidence. You all stand in solidarity with Mark Zuckerberg and YouTube and Twitter, but will they stand with you if something goes awry? Or will they force Elon’s Neuralink (or similar device) upon you in 15-20 years asserting that knowing your thoughts and actions is “for the common-good of humanity,” at that point in time referring to these upcoming vaccine passports as precedent? It’s okay though. I mean, I know that my chances of surviving covid are only 99.5%, and that the vax is 42% effective against the original strain, and that it is less effective against the Delta or Lambda strains, and that both of those new strains (and any others) are free to enter through the wide open southern border, and that the government is doing everything it can to protect us (with the exception of securing the border of course, because that would be perceived as racist, and that’s far more dangerous than any strain if covid), and that if you’re vaxxed then you don’t need to worry about yourself because you’re supposedly safe (if you refute this, then why are you demanding everyone be vaxxed?), and that the unvaxxed are remaining as such because of personal choice (they all have the option to be vaccinated at any time by now), and therefore all those “dumb anti-vaccine trumpsters” are all gonna die from covid; isn’t that what you’ve all been crying for since 2016? In the end, whether you acknowledge it or not, we all know it’s true: if Trump were still president and he enforced (or encouraged) vaccine passports, we’d never hear the end of the “fascist tyranny” outcries. And you know what, if that were the case, I’d agree with you, as would and other principled man. It is also a well established fact that the difference between (a) trump rallies, (b) biden rallies, (c) BLM summer riots/protests, (d) jan 6th capitol riots, (e) dining at restaurants, and (f) chicago’s lollapalooza festival; is that some of those are super spreader events that ruined the country, and the others are totally safe and actually help fight covid. We all know which ones are which, don’t we?
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u/Monkey_D_luffy737 25d ago
That was a time when technological advancements were respected and valued, nowadays everything is taken for granted.
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u/CaptnMako 25d ago
Idiots have and will always exist. Just that the device in their pockets allows them to publicize their stupidity these days.
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u/Kcmg1985 25d ago
As far as I can tell, most people are lining up to get the covid vaccine and social media didn't exist in the 60s. Social media really is as much of a virus.
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u/Number1WienerBoy 25d ago
Interesting point that made me think of a parallel argument. During the 50’s to like the 80’s we had a genuine mistrust and uncertainty of the intent of our government. Over the past decade we’ve come to find out that those attitudes were completely valid knowing the fucked up shit they were doing (see literally all the uncovered cia operations taken out on random citizens) and that was in the 50’s, technology was still very new (my parallel to the post). Wtf happened from then to now that made everyone blindly trust the people in power who’ve never acted with intent to help the populous. Considering how much they did back then with the limited technology, imagine what they do now. The unanimous compliance is staggering.
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u/010011100000 25d ago
People lined up to get the covid shot and people were hesitant about the polio shot. Don't confuse a group of people with the whole population
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u/BlueShift42 25d ago
As with much of the drama around the elections and QAnon, it is technology that is ironically making us dumber. It should be making us smarter, but unfortunately bad actors, people and government agencies, deliberately spread misinformation to deliberately cause chaos and strife.
What we are seeing is not a simple matter of people being stupid, but a calculated attack on their stupidity.
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u/bakeybakeybakey 25d ago
Hey, hear me out...Gandalf has a G and Covid has C and they’re pretty close
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u/Loudpebble 25d ago
And the majority of polio cases are now caused by the polio vaccine. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-67287290
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u/underthewaves1 25d ago
And we have literal traitor politicians in office who orchestrated a fucking terrorist attack to attempt to install the previous president as dictator and the current administration doesn't have the balls to do anything about them or the insurgents they've created.
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u/LiquidSunshine2348 25d ago
More than 90mil doses in 50s and 60s were contaminated with SV40 Good choice example
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u/rando-321 25d ago
Although typing this after a myriad of comments and seeing both sides of the fence with casual pitchforks. And as well people have said this above, the first polio vaccine didn’t end up to well and they had to refine it. Look up the cutter incident. Covid can be serious, and we should trust competent medical studies that are unbiased. A lot of people who are hesitant to receive one of the many choices of covid vaccines may end up better off than those who jumped on the first available jab. Time will tell, but with the variety of concoctions available or wizard potions if you prefer that literary term, that there is a possibility that some may potentially be more harmful than beneficial.
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u/Toastyx3 25d ago
Well actually this is wrong. At least for Germany. A metric shitton of children died during that period, which ultimately forced the government to push vaccines. Ironically, East Germany was getting vaccinated bc Soviet Union, while the children in West Germany died miserably.
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u/slood2 25d ago edited 25d ago
What is a non artificial satellite?
Edit: I didn’t realize that Satellite wasn’t only a name for exactly what our satellites are lol
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u/nattakunt 25d ago edited 25d ago
Regular space debris that hasn't fallen out of orbit
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u/stewymanx378 25d ago
It’s that external world-brains that causes the problem, not only does it provide infinite knowledge, it provides infinite stupidity and misinformation. We have stupid people a voice and now look where we are
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u/juanjung 25d ago
I'm 51, when I was a kid a remember a neighbor who had polio. He had one shoe different from the other and his hand was curved like claw. My mother was a nurse a explained me what he had and people looking like that was more frequent when she was a child. I have not seen a person with polio in years. That's how vaccines work.
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u/andweallenduphere 25d ago
Oh. Wait. Did they maybe get infected and the cause wasn't the vaccine but it was that they contracted the disease?
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u/genuinely_no_clue 25d ago
We rolled high on intelligence but got like a 2 on wisdom and the dm doesn't allow grace rolls.
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u/AatonBredon 25d ago
In 1955 we still had a functioning political system. There was no anti-facts party.
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u/politfact 25d ago
The problem is technology advanced so far that nobody understands how anything works anymore so it all becomes a matter of trust. Do I trust these guys enough to inject some liquid into my body or not. That's all there is to it. The rest is just looking for excuses.
No education in the world can fix this because there is just too much magic we just have to accept as it is.
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u/shaycipher 25d ago
i mean this might sound stupid
but we should let naturel selection take its course
we dont want these people breeding and multiplying
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u/mwhite5990 25d ago
And Jonas Salk, the person who invented it, didn't patent the vaccine. He believed in public health more than his own personal profit.
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u/whydontuwannawork 25d ago
Would be better if after a period of not taking the vaccine you would be refused service if you were to catch COVID
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u/DANG3R0SS 25d ago
Back then every place had a village idiot and everyone would say don’t listen to them they are the village idiot. Today the village idiot has the internet and they post their craziness and every other village idiot sees it and retweets or likes and now the village idiot is trending and people on the fence are now swayed by said idiots and then someone famous turns out to also be one of these village idiots and now normal people are reading this craziness and thinking they are famous they must be telling the truth and now the cycle repeats. Social media has really doomed us all.
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u/tribbans95 25d ago
the polio vaccine had overwhelming public acceptance, while stubborn pockets of vaccine hesitancy persist across the U.S. for the COVID-19 vaccine. Why the difference? One reason, historians say, is that in 1955, many Americans had an especially deep respect for science.
"If you had to pick a moment as the high point of respect for scientific discovery, it would have been then," says David M. Oshinsky, a medical historian at New York University and the author of Polio: An American Story. "After World War II, you had antibiotics rolling off the production line for the first time. People believed infectious disease was [being] conquered. And then this amazing vaccine is announced. People couldn't get it fast enough."
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u/whenyesterdaywemet 25d ago
My new strategy is laughing at them when I see them in public. Maybe they'll change if we make them pariahs, coupled with watching their family members die painful deaths and being saddled with generational medical debt. I obviously don't want these people to suffer, but i think the only way they'll change is to actually have to face the consequences of their actions.
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u/SilverMagpie0 25d ago
It's amazing, how far we've come as a civilization. We have become so accustomed to power and knowledge and science, that we can deny it. Sure, it's fucking annoying, but also wow. Vaccines were developed, this miraculous thing that saves countless lives, and people are so used to this that they can stop caring. It's fascinating.
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u/memes_n_cheese 25d ago
My take on it is that before, stupid people were contained among their social groups, but now, with the almost effortless ways of communicating your opinion and the anonymity the internet provides, they have no reason not to say/do dumb shit
Sorry If some words were misspelled, I'm not a native English speaker
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u/YukiAmijochi 25d ago
Can someone explain to me why this is in r/facepalm? I just wanna know it's not sarcastic.
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u/ZingyParcel18364 25d ago
Nothing changed just the fact that all the village idiots got outlets to broadcast their stupidity.
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u/LanceCrowe 25d ago
My grandmother contracted polio at a young age, thankfully she was vaccinated but unfortunately it took away the complete use of her legs. She would walk around with arm walkers and leg braces all the time.
Fast forward to Covid and there are people who are confined to breathing machines etc. so in the end it doesn’t matter what virus it is, if you get it you could just end up having a two week cold or you could be confined to something for the rest of your lives.
It’s like what Alfred said in the Dark Knight and is my quote to whenever people say “Why doesn’t everyone get vaccinated?!” And to that I say,
“Some people just want to watch the world burn.”
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u/confusedtophers 25d ago
It isn’t wizard poison dummy, it’s a bunch of micro tracking devises that do the exact same thing a cell phone has been able to do for a decade.
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u/kindest__regards 25d ago
I love the idea that the government is watching me on a tracker, because they would get bored after one week when they realise the most exciting place I visit is mcdonalds.
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u/Meek_braggart 25d ago
Just like apple's going to get real bored with my pictures of the bread aisle at the grocery store I send to my wife when they don't have her favorite bread.
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u/OptimusFoo 25d ago
That doesn’t sound any smarter. It’s waaaaaaaay easier to just send a few bucks to Facebook or Amazon.
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u/eyeeatmyownshit 25d ago
This lady I work with said her aunt used to work in a nursing station up north in Manitoba. She said the politicians back then said things about the polio vaccine like they're doing today about the Covid vaccines. She said her aunt said what's happening today is just like when the polio vaccine came out. I cant confirm this story cuz my parents arent old enough and my grandparents are all gone.
I went to school with someone who's dad had polio. Id love to know what it was like during that time when the polio vaccine first came out.