What do you do that you earn six figures?

r/financialindependence • u/fidgit86 • 9d ago

It seems like a lot of people make a lot of money and it seems like I’m missing out on something. So those of you that do, whats your occupation that pays so well?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Operations Management. Running warehouses and the like.

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u/Fishtaco1234 9d ago

I wish I knew more ops managers to talk shop with. No one understands what’s a total shitshow everything is all of the time and some how it all gets done.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Who are you to speak such words to unlock my heart? But for real, it's a shitshow and anytime someone from an "office" visits, they can't wait to leave but still demand it all gets done.

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u/JustADirtFarmer 9d ago

This. I’m in operations management. One of our office guys came to visit our location and had to leave after 40 minutes because there was “too much chaos.” Kind of made me giggle because everything was actually pretty well controlled that day!

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u/afroniner 9d ago

I laughed pretty hard when someone from HQ asked "where's the coffee?"

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u/jay_birdie20 9d ago

We definitely need our own sub, imagine all the stories that would come from it… I was smiling just realizing im not out here all alone 🥺

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u/UnsolicitedCounsel 9d ago

Excuse me, if you're here then who is making sure we get our backordered component? YOU'RE GOING TO SHUTDOWN PRODUCTION!!!

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u/jay_birdie20 9d ago

I feel personally attacked, are you sure that’s not your job?

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u/UnsolicitedCounsel 9d ago

I'm part of project cadence calls, so I get to hear the PM lose their shit every week. We all mock them behind their back because they don't live on planet earth.

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u/BreaksFull 9d ago

Yes please. I just started an internship working in procurement department of an EMS company and I need somewhere to vent about the hell my life has become.

'We need X component for production which begins next week, and it doesn't exist anywhere in the world.'

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u/Greatlarrybird33 9d ago

Yes, or being told from your supplier twice a week for the 6 week lead time that your run was on time, and you literally send a hotshot courier service to pick it up the day they are supposed to be due two states away only to find out they never got the raw materials in and they are now 8-12 weeks out.

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u/Apprehensive_Text_68 9d ago

We have parts that were ordered in February of 2020 and are still tbd. I’ve never seen it this bad.

Also, I want to punch Dow in the face. The company. In the face. Sick of hearing ‘yeah, that compound will ship out next week’ and then ‘oh, it’s gonna me November at the earliest’.

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u/BreaksFull 8d ago

We have huge amounts of deliveries we need next week that are being abruptly pushed out to 2022 and 2023.

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u/Dast_Kook 9d ago

Where do we start? You wanna talk about supply chains? How mfg companies might have been essential but their raw mat suppliers weren't? Or how min-wage labor fell out after they kept extending unemployment benefits? So even if they get the raw mats or sub-components they need, they might not even be able to build or ship anything under 3x their normal lead times? And that's all just domestic right? God forbid you have anything coming international. If it's coming air, the rates will be through the roof because of fuel costs and there might be a 1-month wait just to get your stuff on a plane. Don't even get me started on shipping via sea freight. Want to see your ship travel across two oceans in a month to get to your nearest major port only to do donuts just outside the harbor for days because there's not enough truck drivers to take containers away AND the docks are backed up for weeks just trying to unload. So anyways...

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u/PoopyGoat 9d ago

“Why don’t you just source it elsewhere?” I don’t know wether to cry into my pillow or smother myself with it.

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u/UnsolicitedCounsel 9d ago

But have you even compiled a list of all the world's vendors!?

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u/Apprehensive_Text_68 9d ago

I read this and immediately wanted to jump off a bridge. I’m in SCM and I specialize in heavy duty machinery, but have been doing electrical stuff for The DoD for a few years.

My fav is when a customer finds a niche electrical part on eBay and says ‘why don’t you just buy this?’ And act superior because they are apparently better at my job than me.

But no. I’m not going to buy a connector from some guy on eBay named Big_dick69 and put it on a cable going on a naval warship.

There’s a reason we have ridiculously high turnover in SCM.

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u/PoopyGoat 7d ago

My mechanical engineer is great at finding 2,000 of this random end of life product from eBay user ateadicknohomo420 that works perfectly in his BOM and has no idea why he is getting pushback or having to redesign the thing 2,000 pieces later.

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u/SeanRP 9d ago

Don’t forget natural disasters in Europe causing even further disruptions. Hello my friend and continued good luck. We’re all going to need it. Half of my interviews lately show up drunk or have no other experience aside from fast food. It’s tough out there right now.

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u/madnessdanz 9d ago

Hey now my first Extrusion gig I had no experience. And I ended up being one of their top guys. Find the right candidate regardless of experience. Anyone who wants to learn.

I believe it's really important that manufacturing companies are either union, or employee owned.

The place I stayed 5 years was because they're employee owned. Good starting wages, excellent retirement package, and decent benefits. 3 weeks PTO on the day you're hired.

I just tried to get another manufacturing job post covid. I lasted a month. They're not an esop, don't care about ergonomics of the machines they're running, and it was really freaking obvious that the owner of the company did not give a s*** about the employees.

I'm banking on social collapse and I'm going to take on the debt to go back to school. Manufacturing kills everyone's body.

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u/Javaphile 9d ago

Smh, you guys are always full of excuses. I'm going back to my office, it stinks in here.

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u/max1m1llyun 9d ago

I Work It at a large window company. Between the three production facilities but I support there are millions and millions of dollars a product laying everywhere that's 95% complete. It's all waiting on one piece of metal or one piece of hardware with no communication from the supplier as to when we might possibly get it in. We have 25 semis in the lot being used for storage waiting parts to come in. I think the whole world is beginning to understand how important Logistics is, and how it really does make the world turn.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Anderson?

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u/CBRN_IS_FUN 9d ago

I hear about this all the time, my current boss retired from a supply chain gig and owns some small businesses. I'm a CNC programmer and metal prices are nuts right now due to all the COVID effects. I'm sure you guys live in interesting times.

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u/CareBear3 9d ago

I work in aerospace fab metal forming and this hits hard

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u/Dast_Kook 9d ago

Every time I see a canal blocked or another factory explosion on reddit, is it bad that my first thought is something like, "Ah damn it. Probably won't get any aluminum on time now."

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u/CasaBlanca37 9d ago

Operations manager here. That couldn't be more accurate. Stress is high and something if always on fire. Personally I'm finding it tough to not get burntout.

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u/Fishtaco1234 9d ago

It super tough when you need to juggle all sides of the business. The capital planning, spending the money, countless steering meetings, system build, requirements, keeping the front line people in check and managing all of the covid stuff on top of it all. Fuckkkk

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u/MaliciousAvocado 9d ago

Look at the supply chain subreddits you’ll find people asking questions and talking about some of it all.

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u/IamtheCarl 8d ago

Which subreddits do you recommend?

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u/existential_dreddd 9d ago

I swear it’s like we crave the abuse.

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u/VetPetManager 9d ago

I’m in ops too and the chaos is what I love lol

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u/villagewysdom 9d ago

For real! When every front line supervisor is reporting back that everything is on schedule “no problems” my stress level hits the roof.

It’s just the calm before the catastrophic failure. Either someone is cleverly hiding a quality issue (my greatest fear) or some piece of equipment is about to meet its maker.

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u/Apprehensive_Text_68 9d ago

Same. I say I hate it, but when it’s not there I’m bored. A higher up recently asked me what it was like to work at our plant and I said ‘loosely contained chaos’

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u/Flabsofjelly 9d ago

Trying to get into the field ( food side ) as I just graduated with a Agricultural Business Management degree from Penn State ( didn’t find out about ops until it was too late) any tips ?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Run. Food is a whole diff beast. I spent some time at Blue Apron warehouses. Not a single person in management seemed calm. Even talked with folks at Hello fresh and damn forget getting a minute to yourself.

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u/Flabsofjelly 9d ago

Welp I am now lost 😂😂

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u/afroniner 9d ago

haha sorry. That's just me talking with a bad taste in my mouth. Definitely try it out first! Give it a shot, see how it suits you. I think as I grew up, I stopped being in love with ops.

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u/dudeitsanna 9d ago

I went from food management to office/ops management (with a degree in communication studies of all things), and I can confidently say that if you're highly organized, can balance fairness/humor/tough love with your team, and keep your eyes up on the next goal, you will do great.

It gets tough - REALLY tough - sometimes, and I've ugly cried under my desk more than a few times. BUT as your knowledge base grows, you will become invaluable. Make sure your resume shows exactly how indispensable you are and demand not a single dime less than your worth as you look for jobs in the field. You've got this 😉

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u/Flabsofjelly 8d ago

Thank you I appreciate it and will definitely keep that in mind. I’m just trying to get my foot into the door for interviews. Once I get in a room I know I’ll be able to rock it just gotta tweak my resume.

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u/blueforest_49 8d ago

So true, ops director here.

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u/Fishtaco1234 8d ago

I just applied and had my first interview for an ops director role last week. Second round is starting on Tuesday.

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u/Ftothep 9d ago

This here too. Started ground up for the same company. Started at $8.50/hr PT in 2008 and in 2018 got a third promotion to operations manager. Over 6 figures after yearly bonus hits.

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u/JuarezAfterDark 9d ago

Me too! Started at $28k in 2011 and getting over 8x that now as a senior operations manager

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u/HomicidalSavage 9d ago

Used to work at a huge warehouse & knew the ops manager very well, was gonna help me get on a path to replacing him once he retired. But he got caught screwing with some floor worker & now he’s lost everything &I’m no longer working there. Was a dream to run that place thou. Been there 8 years. Oh well that’s life. Sorry for the rant.

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u/Zealousideal-Wash607 9d ago

hubby just got back into this, warehouse plant manager almost at 6 figures. hoping to reach by next year.

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u/villaed 9d ago

Do you have a degree?

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u/ScotchIsAss 9d ago

So with this area and really anything industrial if it’s publicly traded most are gonna have a degree that’s in upper management. But in private or employee owned companies your gonna get a lot with no degrees. I’ve worked with both and I’ll says the private and employee owned are always the best. In pay and benefits. Some places you don’t even need to be above the bottom of the totem pole to hit 6 digits if the incentives and bonuses are there.

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u/Ftothep 9d ago

I have an associates. I'm the dumb guy that changed his major a few times and fucked up. Never got my bachelor's.

The part the helped me a lot after I started paying attention is that unless I opted out the company raised my 401k contribution by 1% per year until it hit 10%. After my salary increased 10% is pretty solid and has put me in a good position to have a not terrible retirement.

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u/greedygrove 9d ago

When that MIP hits!

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u/Betweeneverytwopines 9d ago

Same industry. For me it feels like I really hit the jackpot with this line of work. Never have to really sit behind a desk, work changes constantly, i get to work with regular people, and it’s in high demand so the pay is always good.

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u/StraY_WolF 9d ago

it’s in high demand so the pay is always good.

Man, you got to tell me where to start finding jobs?!

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u/NemesisOfBooty2 9d ago

We have to get in touch. I need to understand how running warehouses earns money. I’m contemplating a career change right now just because no one wants to pay me any more than 60k to run regional warehouses.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Feel free to DM me

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u/LogisticsRecruiter 9d ago

Same here…. But in a different way.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Guessing recruiting?

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u/geezer_ 22M, 50% SR, FI 20?? 9d ago

Walter White

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u/LogisticsRecruiter 9d ago

You would be correct.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Have you seen a larger turnover rate within operations this year?

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u/LogisticsRecruiter 9d ago

All of our clients are 3PL’s, with the exception of one major healthcare company, and within that most of them have been lucky to be on the positive side of the past 2 years, so there hasn’t been much turnover at the management level (our specialty).

In fact, our clients have added many layers of leadership during Covid and into this year due to continued demand in their e-commerce fulfillment/next day shipping capabilities.

I will say hourly positions are always a bit rocky… some warehouse do an amazing job to keep their employees nowadays… but not most.

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u/sidekickbananaduck 9d ago

I was an assistant warehouse manager. Took it as a second job because I was bored. Took me a month and a half to turn the place around.

People were happy again, and numbers went up something like 170%. Mistakes went to virtually zero. Overall it was great. I switched some things bit by bit and my guys reacted. It was all them. Then we got busier and busier and they still killed it. When I noticed burnout starting to happen I asked for three things: more money for my crew, one additional crew member, and for some of the people in the office who were actively ignoring their jobs to be fired. Instead, they wouldn't hire, wouldn't fire, and gave me a big bump in pay. I gave them a month notice and bounced.

Place went down the shitter for the next eight months. Mistakes went from virtually zero to 15-20 a night. Damage was out of control. The guy who replaced me lied on his resume (told them he was full of it before I left) and morale took such a dive that my entire crew left.

And all because these jackasses wouldn't pay the people who earned it, fire the lazy, and gave no help where it was needed.

Not sure why I went on this rant, but hopefully your clients treat lower level workers better than my place did.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Because this is the story in almost every operation. I felt the pain in your story.

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u/LogisticsRecruiter 9d ago

We once attempted to find a General Manager for a warehouse out in New Jersey… it was described very lightly as a “turnaround” due to some small procedural issues.

Once our General Manager stepped into the position, half of the associate workforce didn’t respect him… the upper management (Regional Director and VP) completely ignored the warehouse and never even showed up on the new GM’s first day to help the transition.

By the end of the first week, we get a terrible call from the GM saying that 4 different associates threatened to beat him up once he left the warehouse…

Skip forward a bit and it turns out that entire facility was occupied by a prison release crew… along with no drug testing or criminal background checks… this of course was never mentioned once to anyone involved.

Needless to say our candidate quite after 2 weeks, when half of the associates wouldn’t listen to him, as they didn’t actually believe he was the boss because upper management never even came to the facility to express any changes.

I believe the company was a pet food supplier…. Like Phil’s Pet Food & Supplies… or something 😉

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u/afroniner 9d ago

It's nuts how common this story actually is. My current role I was also spun a BS story of what I was walking into. Maybe a NJ thing haha

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u/thelongbowman 9d ago

Similar situation at the facility I'm working. Senior leadership decided not to back fill non prod roles and when work picked back up (electronics) we could no longer keep pace and have been operation 60 hour work weeks for 10 months straight.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Sounds par for the course. I'm more in a General Manager role and have to deal with both levels (management and hourly) as well as deal with VP's who are oblivious/ignorant but demand why you can't just give recruiters a number needed and like magic they show up with people.

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u/celtic1888 9d ago

Apparently there is a ton of turnover.

I’m constantly getting calls with relocation offers

Logistics as well.

I think the bean counters all of a sudden figured out that we really do work and are needed

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u/LogisticsRecruiter 9d ago

I will say now is the best time to get a big pay raise if you look at changing jobs… with a strong resume some of our candidates get 30-50% raises from their current total comp… I guess if you count turnover from all of the people jumping ship for a better paying job at the management level, then yes there is a bit more than usual… there’s just so much growth in some areas of the country… and in some cases not enough people.

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u/celtic1888 9d ago

I’m at a crossroads right now

Current company is bleeding and I am thinking of just riding it out as I already hit my number

At the same time a 2 or 3 year contract would push me into a very secure position and give me a change of pace

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Why not shop around? Willing to bet you'd find a higher pay, especially right now.

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u/LuckyLeese4Life 9d ago

I'm in Chicagoland and have gotten laid off from my last 3 positions in 4yrs. There's a ton of stuff out there but it's a struggle to find a company where there's mutual trust anymore.

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u/purroantrax 9d ago

I just jumped ship and I got a 35% raise. I live in the inland empire and supply chain jobs specifically 3PL’s are booming with opportunity and growth here.Turnover rates are crazy bad here and competition is close to zero.

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u/Apprehensive_Text_68 9d ago

Big time. I’ve started putting my feelers out as the place I’m working will be shutting down, and I’ve been inundated with interview requests and actually had a few offers with bonuses where the interview was ‘a formality’. I think covid caused lots of burnout because of SCM and logistics people being treated like garbage over things they have no control over.

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u/IEatOats_ 9d ago

Me too, but different

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u/LogisticsRecruiter 9d ago

What do you do

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u/Acidic_Junk 9d ago

Same here, but in a slightly different way

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u/jrbake 9d ago

I’m pulling in 5 figures in operations. Boom.

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u/Aijaruc 9d ago

Same here, I hate it but I love it.

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u/913AM 9d ago

Yup, this is it. Accidentally fell into Facility Management and after a few promotions you’re making dough. Not easy, but pretty nice.

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u/VeryBoredNow 9d ago

Same here. It sucks to be measured by every metric known to man - but it pays well.

New procedures and regulations every week - forever

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u/ZeusTwelth 9d ago

Im about to go back to school for operations and supply chain management. Hope Im there soon

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u/afroniner 9d ago

That's what my bachelor's degree is in.

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u/ZeusTwelth 9d ago

Well if you got any tips or know what other schooling I might need to get to where you're at I'd love to hear it.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Honestly, I got my bachelors because "that's what you're supposed to do" and never did any schooling after that. My tip is learn as much as you can. Never get to a point where you think you know it all. If you run inbound, learn how outbound works. If you run warehousing, learn how logistics works. If you're an ops manager, learn what the general manager does. Never stop learning, and you'll never stop being valuable.

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u/IamtheCarl 8d ago

Are you looking for tips on leading teams or being amazing at logistics operations and planning? Both can be great; some different skills for each, though. Having both is best, but not everyone wants to lead teams.

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u/ZeusTwelth 8d ago

I already supervise a distribution warehouse and this seems like the next natural progression. I was mostly wondering if there is anything extra that got his foot in the door or any extra education that an employer might be looking for. I enjoy leadership and problem solving.

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u/IamtheCarl 5h ago

Gotcha. I’d recommend six sigma/ lean certifications and data certifications. Familiarity with R, SQL, data visualization applications could also be helpful, depending on what you want to focus. Data is key for future supply chains, whether it’s AI, forecasting, modeling, or other applications. You don’t need to know how to do all of it but knowing enough to lead people who do could be helpful.

Said as someone who currently is missing opportunities because I don’t have much skill in data currently. I’m still in excel and the job postings are looking for more, even at director, VP levels.

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u/MikeAppleTree 9d ago

I read whorehouses and thought that’s interesting.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Lots of blackjack and hookers.

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u/Putnam14 9d ago

I graduated with one of my degrees in Operations Management and ended up as a software engineer. Does the industry still have a bias against those with ‘business’ degrees and not industrial engineering? Where I interned my pay band was a good 20k below those doing equivalent work with the ‘engineering’ degree.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

In my experience, it didn't matter as long as you can do the job. Me personally, I never even had an MBA compared to my peers. I was also a good 20-30 years younger than them.

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u/Putnam14 9d ago

Awesome, I’m happy to hear that! My previous company was one of those bigger Puget Sound companies, so I doubt it’s changed there with how much bureaucracy and standardizing they do, but it’s good to know my local warehouse and factory folk are being paid fairly.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

I've been at Amazon, Iron Mountain, XPO, and startups. Bureaucracy exists everywhere and it entirely comes down to the the leadership to set the tone. Hourly folks are getting shafted though on hours/pay/balance/etc

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u/clothesline13 9d ago

Are there any certifications you would recommend to increase your earning potential? I have been running warehouses and operations for a few companies now but always feel like I have no room to grow and increase my value.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

I only have a bachelor's. Never felt the need to have to get anything more beyond that. Lean and size sigma are touted a lot as great certifications but still not needed if you just think about "what will make this easier to do?"

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u/IamtheCarl 8d ago

As someone else said, lean and 6sigma, also PMP certification depending on the company. The other thing I’d recommend is improving team leadership skills, either through courses, coaching, or mentoring.

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u/Spandex-Jesus 9d ago

Same here. Director level. Great job. Great pay.

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u/DennyCrane2002 9d ago

Do you have a degree?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Bachelor's

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u/mypornaccount0069 9d ago

In what? Industrial engineering?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Supply Chain

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u/mypornaccount0069 9d ago

Close enough hahaha

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Way off.

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u/mypornaccount0069 9d ago

You think? A lot of my peers in the IE program ended up in supply chain careers

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u/afroniner 9d ago

"Supply Chain" itself is a very vague term that can encompass procurement, logistics, warehousing, operations, etc. Most IE that I've worked with tend to related to quality side of things, so like Lean, Six Sigma, Reducing number of touches, Reducing Waste, etc. They're that person who shows up to your warehouse to talking about how to lift a box, how to move it out of a truck, how to stack it in the truck, where to move it to in the warehouse..... and once you ask them to help do it to show why their plan won't work on a 60lbs box, they run off to the next building to do the same thing.

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u/mypornaccount0069 9d ago

Thanks for the more detailed explanation! I appreciate it.

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u/Rayzr117 9d ago

Awesome, me too but in insurance operations. I'm also a logistician though and warehousing/ transportation is something that I think a lot of folks don't realize can be lucrative if you want to get into management.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

It's honestly not that great. No real set schedule/hours. Physically demanding. Basically on call always. Nights and weekends whenever needed. It's not for everyone. I'm looking to get out of it.

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u/brightspots 9d ago

Studied Operations Management in college. Only job I could land out of college was shit hours, worse pay, and a terrible boss. I’m going back to school. I wish I could have found a better job as I really enjoy the potential for the profession and enjoyed my studies and internships.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Good. Operations blows. It was great at first because I was single and had no life but now I can't stand it much. Most of my leadership is always single parent or divorced. Not a good trend.

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u/rideincircles 9d ago

I have a degree in opma, but am too locked into engineering to leave the manufacturing realm. My goal is now IT managing engineering systems, but my recent interview for a role I was experienced for was passed up since my degree is not a stem degree. I view my degree from a manufacturing operations perspective, but it's not a bachelor's of science.

Before that I worked in drafting for 15 years at the associates paygrade and had to work overtime to make over $60k. I had to escape engineering department to get to the bachelors paygrade, but still am looking for my next role after dealing with covid layoffs and no longer remote positions the past 2 years.

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u/RivellaLight 9d ago

Operations Research was a significant part of my degree, stuff like queuing theory, is Operations Management just that put into practice?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

I'd say there's a HUGE difference from theory and practice. I studied supply chain for my bachelor's and can't recall one thing I applied in my career. Lot of it was learned on the job.

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u/parahillObjective 9d ago

Industrial engineering degree?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Supply chain

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u/leavingbabylon67 9d ago

Any tips on making to move from branch manager to operations manager? My partner has 10 years of experience but no degree and can't seem to get to the next step. He started at the bottom but has worked for small companies that have never had a more senior opening. How can you stand out as an external candidate with no college?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Feel free to DM me

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u/chabs1965 9d ago

I'm just shy of 6 figures as a quality assurance manager for a manufacturing company, the people that ops has a love/hate relationship with

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Oooooooooo yea buddy. That's the quality team I know. Most people hate quality because it makes them do more work but honestly if ops can build a good relationship with them, they can set themselves up to reduce extra work with a little investment ahead of time

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u/chabs1965 9d ago

I couldn't agree more. It's not easy to find ops and qa that get along. I really like my current one. We're both kinda quiet, lowkey but have very similar goals. We're both critical and supportive of how the company is run. I think in my case, because we're both very new and started at nearly the same time, we are very aligned.

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u/syst3mcr4sh3r 9d ago

Operations manager here as well. Started slinging boxes, now I'm the "old man" directing this circus.

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u/madnessdanz 9d ago

I was a machine operator at the same place about 5 years.

Every operations manager we had, three of them in five years (internal moving around) burned them out.

It's a tough gig, but that's why they say, you get paid the big bucks.

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Turnover is insane. Burnout is real.

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u/rich_clock 9d ago

Supply Chain Management here... stay up, Brother. It's rough out there these days.

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u/Leoneri 9d ago

Just started working at a warehouse as an inventory specialist and have been actively impressing not only immediate bosses but their bosses as well. Considering staying in the warehousing gig and moving up, though I see the kind of hours being a warehouse process manager and the like can be.

Any advice or thoughts you might have?

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u/afroniner 9d ago

Always try to get the bigger picture operationally on what's going on. Think in terms of what would the general manager want to focus on, not just from an inventory standpoint. Think why is the GM allowing inbound or outbound to do something that seems detrimental to inventory? This will help slide into conversations, and hopefully roles that go higher up.