r/gaming • u/RinRinDoof • 9d ago
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u/unsafekibble716 9d ago
wait, cant you get dolphin without Steam?
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u/No-Plankton4841 9d ago
And you can already launch dolphin from steam too.
Yeah seems like a non issue.
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u/ThomasFMaher 9d ago
Steam version would have had cloud saves to sync across devices. Not the biggest loss but would have been neat.
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u/MagicOrpheus310 9d ago
Yeah dude, I have also heard that you should stay away from Xenia and Project 64 because they are great X360 and N64 emulators and piracy is wrong etc etc...
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u/Raemnant 9d ago
Xenia used to be such ass but now its so good. I was greatly enjoying some enhanced Lost Odyssey and Infinite Undiscovery last year
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u/sorvis 9d ago
damn its to bad steam is the only way to get the dolphin emulator.
/sits back and waits for someone to post a leak
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u/inumnoback 9d ago
Sony and Microsoft hate Nintendo
Sega hates Nintendo
Valve hates Nintendo
Nintendo hates Nintendo
Damn Nintendo, it ruined Nintendo
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
Microsoft probably wishes they could buy Nintendo
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u/OctavalBeast 9d ago
They would reach a deal for 60billion, and then Nintendo would sue that deal
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u/pdjudd 9d ago
They trie, Nintendo told them no.
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u/G_Unit_Solider 9d ago
Can’t tell someone no if they buy you out. Or have a aggressive hostile business takeover. But I don’t think Microsoft is tryna dump more money than it’ll make in the next 50 years for Nintendo.
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u/pdjudd 9d ago edited 8d ago
There was no buy out. Nintendo declined their offer and basically told them off. Microsoft said that in their documentary on the Xbox. You can’t just throw money and buy a company - an offer has to be accepted. It wasn’t.
Nintendo is very protective of its business and they are the largest shareholder of public stock. Near as I can tell, they don't offer much stock and we should also point out that Japan is very protective of Nintendo
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u/G_Unit_Solider 9d ago
Nintendo is a publicly traded company. That means anyone with enough cash and time can acquire the 51% needed to take over.
Like I said Microsoft would not see a dime in profit if it did the hostile takeover via shares for 50+ years and that’s a horrible business move for anyone.
Every business is for sale even if it’s not listed for sale. Also doesn’t matter what the company itself says not for sale sorry. Companies take over other companies by force every year buyout smaller companies and absorb them by force every year.
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u/Headless_Human 9d ago
Nintendo is a publicly traded company. That means anyone with enough cash and time can acquire the 51% needed to take over.
Not if Nintendo holds 51%
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u/G_Unit_Solider 9d ago
Hostile take over takes many forms. One form is a lot of time and getting a lot of your loyal workers to work for Nintendo and get those company bonus shares for years than pool them with the shares you bought on the market to obtain the magic number.
Or offering high ranking position employees at Nintendo excess money for their share of shares
It’s called hostile takeover for a reason
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u/taishiea 9d ago
Japan has so much red tape you would have to go through to even start buying the small amounts it would not be worth it in the end, in fact i would see the Japanese government let microsoft buy up to a point, declare the sales were illegal in the first place and let nintendo buy back the stock at a reduce price. Do not underestimate how far Japan would go for one of their own companies against a foreign company.
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u/Daedolis 8d ago
aggressive hostile business takeover
This isn't just something you do, they'd have to go after the shareholders or somehow affect a change in management, both are pretty much outside of any reasonable possibility.
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u/AcapellaFreakout 9d ago
It has literally the best-selling game right now.
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u/Haxminator 9d ago
On a trash console outdated on release date, holding it back and under the power of the most anti-consumer game company to ever exist.
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u/AcapellaFreakout 9d ago
Witch really says something about how good their games are, right? Either that or gamers are pathetic losers who still buy anything no matter what a company does.
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u/Haxminator 8d ago
Yeah, their games are really good, that's true. Gamers buying every hyped regurgitation and ignoring how anti-consumer some companies are is also very true.
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u/BioluminescentMan 9d ago edited 8d ago
Back in my day when emulation was new and dolphin was in it's infancy we all respect emulation. We only dumped games we owned. Now aday everyone pirating Nintendo and praising the games but still shit on them and say not buying the game won't support them. The devs wouldn't even get paid more they already got paid for the game.
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u/ulfopulfo 9d ago
*in its infancy
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u/Dealan79 9d ago
Don't go assuming typos. Sometimes dolphin intimacy is just dolphin intimacy...for science.
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u/ulfopulfo 9d ago
Oh my g*d. Thank you. And fuck you. That was the best and worst video I’ve seen in a long while.
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u/suentendo 9d ago
I just spent over 200 euro on Zelda alone, from digital pre-order to physical Collectors Edition to the Zelda Pro Controller.
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u/ChimpanzeeChalupas 9d ago
*Old Nintendo games. Pirating new ones that are recently released and in regular circulation is just theft, and discourages the devs from making a good game like that in the future. Old Nintendo games are a different story however as Nintendo refuses to provide a reliable way to play all of them.
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u/akrobert 9d ago
It actually is not morally correct. If you didn’t buy it’s not your right. What is your right if you do is to be charged with software piracy.
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u/HachikoNekoGamer 9d ago
You sound as if when I said it's Morally Correct Pirate Nintendo that also applies to every other game company.
This is Nintendo we're talking about where they Issue DMCA against people streaming their games that they legally bought themselves.
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u/akrobert 9d ago
I can sympathize. I’m not a fan of Nintendos constant use of DCMA takedown requests but it’s up to other companies to fight them, thereby making it more expensive and customers to say he I don’t like this shit you pull I’m not buying your stuff anymore. Pirating their stuff only gives them more reason to go after everyone because they they are “just protecting our IP”
You force change by not buying their stuff and making sure they know why, not by pirating the product.
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u/DealOne8432 9d ago
Piracy is the best thing consumers can do. It's the only way to force company's to give us features and content that is worth paying for.
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u/BioluminescentMan 9d ago
Sounds stupid.this what it sounds like to me. I love new Zelda if only other games where as good and polished as this one, but fuck Nintendo glad I pirated the game not going to support these devs that make the game I loved.
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
That's a huge cope. Companies like Activision Blizzard and Ubisoft aren't gonna change cuz 20 people pirate CoD or AC.
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u/DealOne8432 9d ago
Piracy gave us $8 streaming services and so much more. Had it not been for piracy we would never have these services for the price they were.
The only time businesses and anyone selling us thing gets their shit together and offers fair prices is when we steal, loot and pirate.
Thank you to all those pirates
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u/Headless_Human 9d ago
It also gave us games crippled by Denuvo and always online singleplayer games.
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u/DealOne8432 8d ago
If anything it got rid of those since pirates take up the challenge and crack everything they can tendering then useless.
Piracy is the foil to greedy power grabs like that. It's why it's important to thank these heroes. Without them these industries would fuck us much harder. It's the threat of pirates that protects us.
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u/Headless_Human 8d ago
If anything it got rid of those since pirates take up the challenge and crack everything they can tendering then useless.
Without any kind of piracy those things wouldn't exist in the first place...
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u/akrobert 9d ago
You’re equating 2 things that have nothing to do with each other.
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u/DealOne8432 9d ago
No, I'm not.
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u/akrobert 9d ago
Every post you’ve contributed in this thread has been disingenuous drivel.
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
Find me a correlation between more piracy and the rise of Gamepass.
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u/OlTommyBombadil 9d ago
Piracy is competition whether you consider it competition or not
Competition is good for consumers
I’m not advocating for piracy. Just pointing out that it is absolutely competition.
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
As if Activision is looking at how many people pirate CoD in comparison to actual sales. "Oh, 6,000 people pirated so far? But 5 million sales? That's what I'm talking about boys! Onto the next CoD!"
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u/DealOne8432 9d ago
Show me there isn't one
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago edited 9d ago
Nice, no evidence. Just keep justifying ur piracy 🤡
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u/SaltyMudpuppy 9d ago
Piracy is what changed the music biz for the better. Or, rather, forced them to change kicking and screaming.
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u/akrobert 9d ago
That doesn’t even make logical sense. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. They forced companies. Stealing it is just you saying it sucks but not enough that I won’t steal it and then complain when they don’t fix the thing I didn’t even buy.
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u/LordAcorn 9d ago
Won't somebody think of the shareholders!
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u/BioluminescentMan 9d ago
Should we support these devs who make the games we love? Nah let's pirated it and hope they do well in sales so they can make more games
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u/ThrowawayIntensifies 9d ago
Show me a way to buy an OG Nintendo game that will give money to the people who worked on the game.
Please.
Actually I dare you.
Actually I’d pay you.
Nintendo literally shuts down tournaments like Melee and Project M for no reason whatsoever- they know that a re-release would make them loads of profit- but they refuse out of spite. It probably won’t be legally defensible for much longer for companies sitting on “dead media”
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u/akrobert 9d ago
Again another straw man argument that has nothing to do with the conversation but thank you for contributing um. Nothing I guess
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u/LordAcorn 9d ago edited 9d ago
You are seriously dedicated to being a bootlicker, i'll give you that.
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u/akrobert 9d ago
It’s called doing the right thing. You should try it sometime.
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u/HachikoNekoGamer 9d ago
It’s called doing the right thing. You should try it sometime.
What's the point of doing the right thing when you have a company that doesn't hesitate to slap you with a DMCA for showing Mario's Victory Animation on YouTube(go check Jacksepticeye's Mario Odyssey Let's Play)?
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u/akrobert 9d ago
Just because they don’t do the right thing isn’t a reason for you to pirate or justify pirating a companies IP.
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u/Thatfonvdude 9d ago
that's literally the pedastal that people who are trying to ban abortion are standing on, i don't care much for it anymore.
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u/akrobert 8d ago
Off topic and wrong. They are using theology and I don’t think it should be legal to justify it. Piracy isn’t legal so there’s that
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u/Thatfonvdude 8d ago
Piracy isn’t legal so there’s that
weed isn't legal in most of america. but, besides that, piracy isn't even illegal in most of the world. so honestly i don't really care what some suburban hic thinks of what i do.
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u/akrobert 8d ago
Weed is getting more legal. No ones saying hey you know what needs a new look. iP infringement and piracy, let’s make that legal. You’re arguments are hardly coherent. Didn’t your parents engage the parental controls before they went to work?
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u/BioluminescentMan 9d ago
Sad to see all these downvotes. This mentality literally what created all these emulators. Die hards fans wanting to see their games in hd while still supporting the devs
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
Exactly, I think its only alright if the game isn't in circulation anymore, but people saying it's "morally ok" to pirate games that are on sale currently are just trying to make themselves feel better for stealing. Nobody owes you games, especially for free.
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u/HachikoNekoGamer 9d ago
I would've agreed with you if it weren't for the fact that this is Nintendo we're talking about, where they'll still issue a DMCA to you for Streaming Games that you literally bought from Nintendo.
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
Yeah, I wish Nintendo's legal and corporate weren't so shit. I really appreciate the devs and their amazing works (most of the time).
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u/FinalBed6476 9d ago
I dont know why you are being downvoted for being correct. sigh
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u/akrobert 9d ago
Because it’s easy to hate Nintendo for their shit and it pisses people off when you don’t agree
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u/FinalBed6476 9d ago
There is a sense of self-entitlement or carelessness in stating that stealing (pirating) is morally correct, especially if what you are stealing is purely enterntainment.
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u/Thatfonvdude 9d ago
nobody been charged with software piracy in over a decade my dude.
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u/GeoBurress 9d ago
That's uh, that's factually incorrect.
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u/Thatfonvdude 9d ago
hey hey pssst i dont care
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u/GeoBurress 9d ago
Yes. I can see that by the reply.
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u/Thatfonvdude 9d ago
i'd hope so, otherwise that would mean you couldn't read, and that would be really concerning considering where we are.
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u/akrobert 8d ago
Good thing you’re not a scientist or anyone that is working for change huh? Just cause everyone has done if forever doesn’t make it right.
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u/Thatfonvdude 8d ago
just cause its illegal where you live doesn't make it wrong.
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u/akrobert 8d ago
Actually that’s the very definition of why they make things illegal. Go study your vocabulary
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago edited 9d ago
Even if it's literally Mao Zedong himself, it is never morally correct to commit a crime against anyone, even so-called "victimless crimes". I can't believe this was actually a statement uttered by someone who believed it was done in good faith
Edit: I'm sorry, but this is insane. I guess it's my fault for commenting this when schools are out for summer break and the kids are now hanging out on Reddit all day
Edit2: I deserved this, for missing the sarcasm in the original comment. I knew this sub didn't actually believe theft was morally correct
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u/jaywinner 9d ago
it is never morally correct to commit a crime against anyone
This assumes that every law is moral. So when slavery was legal, the moral thing was to bring escaped slaves back to their owners?
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago
Who said anything about laws?
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u/OlTommyBombadil 9d ago
You did. A crime doesn’t exist without laws.
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago edited 9d ago
Am I crazy or is this sub actually defending theft as "morally correct"? I can't believe my eyes, I don't believe I'm seeing this happen so I'd like confirmation
Edit: Ohhhhh, lmao, I'm being trolled. Yeah, I knew nobody here actually believes theft is "morally correct". I guess I deserve the downvotes for not immediately getting the sarcasm. Y'all actually had me scared for humanity that you were faking that theft is morally correct
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u/Thatfonvdude 9d ago
pls delete that edit, its even more cringe then the original comment.
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago
Why would I delete the edit? I don't want people to think I didn't realize I fell for the sarcasm. Admitting that I missed it is the proper path here
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u/Thatfonvdude 9d ago
well, aslong as you see things that way its not like i want to bother to try and convince you otherwise.
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago
I don't understand, you don't want me to admit I missed that OP was being sarcastic when they said theft is morally correct?
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u/ThermalFlask 9d ago
Piracy is not theft so whether or not theft is morally correct is irrelevant to the discussion.
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u/Rowan_Halvel 9d ago
Let's take, for example, a game like Disco Elysium that was objectively stolen from its creators. They don't get anything from sales of the game, and their legal thieves profit. Morals aren't black and white, people have a lot of reasons to pirate. In this posts case, it's a wii emulator, a system put of production, and whose games can't even be acquired by the company fighting tooth and nail to stop people playing their retro titles. They're the only ones that act this egregious about "protecting" their property aside from maybe Disney and Apple with their precious logo.
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago
I'm sorry, I didn't catch that all this was sarcasm, I actually started to believe that the sub believed theft was morally correct. I added an edit admitting that I missed the sarcasm and that nobody here actually believes theft is morally correct
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u/RiddlingVenus0 9d ago
Playing stupid doesn’t make you appear any smarter.
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago
Who's playing stupid? I admitted I missed the sarcasm in the original comment
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u/CawCawDumDum 9d ago
it is never morally correct to commit a crime against anyone
I guess freeing slaves is immoral too. Quickly, rewrite the history books about the underground railroad and similar behavior. It's apparently immoral.
Holy shit bro, you can't be serious can you?
Or did you just put 0 logical thought into anything you've said in this thread?
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
Prepare for many downvotes bro. People wanna feel justified in their stealing
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u/Thatfonvdude 9d ago
its almost always quite the opposite whenever these conversations come up my freind.
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u/uniquecannon 9d ago
Yeah, I actually missed the sarcasm by the original comment. Nobody in this sub actually believes theft is morally correct, they're just downvoting us for not catching the sarcasm
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u/Cowpriest 9d ago
So if I own a switch and the Mario game, is it illegal to play an emulator copy of a game I own??
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u/HachikoNekoGamer 9d ago
If you're living outside of Japan then you can basically do whatever you want with the game and Console since it's pretty much yours.
Unlike Japan where both the Consoles and Games are more less rented to you with the false belief that you own the console and game. I'm not joking when I say that even slightly modifying your game console in Japan can get you arrested.
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u/Rymanbc 9d ago
I don't know if this is common knowledge, but I remember a time when the upcoming Nintendo console was called the Nintendo Dolphin in the gaming magazines and such, but when it actually launched, it went to market as the GameCube. Just in case anyone doesn't know why the emulator went with that name (presumably).
(OK, grandpa, let's get you to bed)
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u/HachikoNekoGamer 9d ago
Didn't they eventually use the Dolphin name for their developer consoles/kit for both the GC and Wii?
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u/CawCawDumDum 9d ago
The amount of corporate dick-sucking that goes on around here is wild.
And it's never in greater force than when it's nintendo.
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago edited 9d ago
Not many other big game studios that make games worth defending anymore.
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u/UsernameWithAmnesia 9d ago
Can they really DMCA emulators? These software isn't made by Nintendo and doesn't use it's bios.
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u/Zonkko 9d ago
They probably couldnt win in court but because of how broken DMCA is they can just send a claim and it has to be removed from steam
DMCA could be fixed by making it require to be proven in court before it has to be taken down, and fradulent claims should result in losing copyright.
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u/UsernameWithAmnesia 9d ago
In the late 90s a case like this was put in court for PS1 emulator that read PS dics on pc to emulate games. Sony lost.
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u/erasedhead 9d ago
Gamers are hilarious. Bitch non stop about companies not caring about the quality of game they release and the being like “Nintendo makes great games and it’s morally okay to pirate them.”
This is why you don’t get nice things.
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u/Grimyak 9d ago edited 8d ago
I’m going to set up a hypothetical situation to demonstrate where I believe emulation is fair.
A games company whose games I enjoy released a game back in the 90s, but it never received any ports up until now so the only way to play the game without emulation is on original hardware, after purchasing the game on the second hand market. The game goes for over $600 for a loose cartridge.
This situation effectively means these games are unobtainable for your average gamer, the developer sees no profit, and even if you did buy it, legally dumping your own rom of the game and emulating or using something like an Everdrive is still the better alternative to playing using the official cartridge because the act of normal use can lead to damage to the cartridge which has become a collector’s item.
Many retro games collectors emulate the games they own for this exact reason, practically all speed runners emulate games they already own because they want to use save states to practice particular difficult sections of the game.
Emulation isn't piracy in the slightest.
So pretty much yeah, I use dolphin. I use it to play my Gamecube collection on my PC which is perfectly legal and does no harm whatsoever to Nintendo.
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u/Whatwhenwherehi 9d ago
They refuse to provide a port. Fuckem.
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u/RinRinDoof 9d ago
This is when it's acceptable to pirate.
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u/Fit-Representative-6 9d ago
With all Nintendo's litigation towards everyone and their hatred of mods and emulators and constantly attacking everyone out there I'm surprised they have any customers left.
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u/BelicaPulescu 9d ago
They make great games. People are not going to stop buyng zelda on their switches because nintendo is suing any attempt at piracy of their games.
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u/Fit-Representative-6 8d ago
Mods aren't piracy though. They add more game play content to a game. Suing people for making mods for Nintendo just ensures that game has no replay value at all.
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u/BelicaPulescu 8d ago
It doesn’t work like that. Just because 5% of emulator users actually bought the game and they don’t technically pirate it doesn’t escuse the majority using it for piracy.
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u/idkwat 9d ago
Nintendo's lawyers are horrible and they constantly shit on players who genuinely enjoy their games.
However in this case this is justified. Emulation can feasibly (though not likely) take away potential business. Many of the top Gamecube and WiiU games are available on the switch online store so it's an easy argument to make that emulation software unjustly takes away potential sales to the company.
Now personally I think Nintendo should just let it ride as I'm willing to bet emulation actually has a net positive effect on their business in the long run by exposing people to older games that may not be available for digital download. This in turn can lead to sales for newer titles.
But if a lawyer is looking simply at the here and now emulation can take away potential sales from the Nintendo eshop and they are well within their right to shoot this down.
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u/FawksyBoxes 9d ago
They don't sell GC or Wii games anymore. The eShop for WiiU is gone and they didn't plan to preserve anything.
They had to download a ROM off the internet to put SMB on the Wii
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u/bt123456789 9d ago
you are incorrect about the older games being on the switch shop
Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy (both of them), mario sunshine..
just two name some of the top games from the Gamecube-Wii Era
NONE of them are on the switch store. Galaxy and Sunshine had ports on the Super Mario 3D All-stars collection, which is no longer available. you can find copies in stores but it's no longer being made, and is NOT available digitally, it was a limited time release because Nintendo was greedy as hell. I guarantee you,go look at the switch store and point out to me any gamecube, wii, or wii u games that are on there. I'm not counting remasters/remakes like SUper Mario Bros. U deluxe or Metroid Prime's remaster.
They're most likely going to do a gamecube addition to switch online (an expansion pak expansion pak probably, no way they throw it on with the GBA, Genesis, and N64), to get people to pay annually.
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u/SaltyMudpuppy 9d ago
Nintendo is one game company I will certainly never give a dollar to. If I can't emulate it I won't play it.
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u/isamage2 9d ago
Nintendo actually has the best emulators in history?
Comparing to ps and xbox original, i only ever remember the xbox original, ps 1 and 2 and psp being able to emulate. And xbox was buggy and no reason to use it over dolphin anyway.
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u/tekgeekster 9d ago
What are you talking about?
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u/isamage2 9d ago
"I wont pay nintendo, because i cant emulate it."
Literally has the best emulators on the internet. Am i missing something here?
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u/tekgeekster 9d ago
Oh, you meant unofficial.
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u/isamage2 9d ago
Correct! I dont think i've ever seen an official 🤣 they just rewrite the games to be playable on newer gen consoles
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u/DrSitson 9d ago
He actually said, " if I can't emulate it, I won't play it." Simply put, he will play Nintendo games only emulated, never purchased legitimately. He put no emphasis on whether emulation was easy or difficult.
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u/isamage2 9d ago
If he left out nintendo specifically then your comment would've made more sense. But it's literally what he is saying.
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u/SaltyMudpuppy 9d ago
No. I said, plainly, if I can't emulate it, and the "it" being any game from Nintendo, I won't play it.
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u/His_name_is_LUIGI 9d ago
Can someone explain the problem with this? I thought pirating was a bad thing?
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u/Zonkko 9d ago
Emulation isnt piracy
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u/His_name_is_LUIGI 9d ago
What's the difference? Always thought emulation was just a way to make piracy sound less bad.
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u/Zh0r0n 9d ago
Emulation is playing a game not on its original hardware. I believe dumping your own ROMs is legal, it becomes piracy once you start downloading or distributing ROMs on the internet (info from linustechtips)
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u/StupidestGuyNominee 9d ago
Who could have seen this coming 😐