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u/JerziDevil 17d ago
We could also call it the Pan Pizza World because it’s the only known place in the universe where you can get a good slice.
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u/Blear 17d ago
It's also the only planet we know with: IP addresses, Jeeps, muffintops, Anthony Bourdain's grave, at least four different kinds of football, and peepees.
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
muffintops
Wait, which kind though?
Edit: Also I can't be certain about IP addresses...It's possible some of the probes use them internally to transfer data between components. Maybe not, but it's possible.
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u/HailSkyKing 17d ago
Do active volcanoes count? Because Io.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
No, fire requires oxygen, fuel and ignition/combustion. Lava isn’t fire
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
Technically just an oxidizer and fuel (plus heat). It doesn't need to be oxygen specifically.
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u/platyboi 17d ago
TIL that there are more oxidisers than just oxygen.
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago edited 17d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidizing_agent#Common_oxidizing_agents_and_their_products
Edit: or everyone's favorite:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride
Such a strong oxidizer that it oxidizes water (normally considered to already have been oxidized), releasing that inferior oxygen.
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u/billbo24 17d ago
I thought the sun counted but then someone told me the sun is incandescent and I felt stupid
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u/HailSkyKing 17d ago
Never allow yourself to feel stupid. You have to learn new stuff sometime. My understanding of the sun was it was a giant fusion reaction? Happy to be wrong.
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u/WewLad_9 17d ago
Fire world also sounds way cooler than water world
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u/mystiquetur 17d ago
It sounds lit
I’ll show myself out.
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u/TheProdigalPun 17d ago
And then show yourself back in again because you just won our GRAND PRIZE!!
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u/BryanOfCorn 17d ago
Fire is NOT plasma. Fire is Combustion.
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u/ChadMcbain 17d ago
That's like saying COLD is endothermic.
Fire is the result of the energy released during the exchange of chemical bonds.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
It’s still not fire. Fire requires fuel, oxygen and ignition. There is no oxygen on the sun
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u/ChadMcbain 17d ago
You're thinking combustion. FYI, the air you breathe, and the atoms in your body formed in stars.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Yes I’m aware of that. The particles that make trees were also formed in the sun, that doesn’t mean there are trees on the sun.
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u/ChadMcbain 17d ago
But you said there isn't oxygen in the Sun...
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
There isn’t. Just like there aren’t trees.
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
There is some oxygen in the sun, but I agree that there is no chemical combustion going on.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Yeah literally the last line says everyday flames are not plasma. The sun is plasma not fire
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u/bigtallsob 17d ago
Define "everyday" flames. A fire that is hot enough to be generating blue flame (so an oxy fuel torch, a hot campfire, gas stoves) is hot enough to be generating plasma.
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u/ChadMcbain 17d ago
Maybe OP should have said combustion, and I wouldn't have strawmaned the post.
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u/TheProdigalPun 17d ago
Combustion world doesn’t quite have the same impact. Technicalities.
FIRE!!
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
Man, you came here making untrue statements and you have the gall to blame OP?
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u/ChadMcbain 17d ago
Ok, flames are infrared energy. Happens everywhere in the universe. OP still should have said combustion.
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
No, flames are not infrared energy. Your misunderstandings are actually getting worse here.
A flame is a convective column of hot glowing gas. It will emit electromagnetic energy across portions of the spectrum. Some of that will be in the infrared. But the flame itself is made of matter, it isn't electromagnetic radiation, and the radiation it gives off is certainly not limited to the infrared.
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u/ChadMcbain 17d ago
Flame is matter? Which elements specifically?
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Flame is most definitely matter, it may have energy but it’s absolutely physical matter. EDIT spelling
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
Depends what's burning. But yes, a flame is hot glowing gas released by a sustained chemical reaction. In the case of a candle flame, it's going to be made of things like CO2 and hydrocarbons. A propane flame is made of carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and water. Basically whatever the results are of the fuel + oxidizer reaction.
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u/Ylfjsufrn 17d ago
Just wait till you find out about stars.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Just wait til you find out that fire requires oxygen and there is no oxygen on stars
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u/Ylfjsufrn 17d ago
1) does any plasma count as fire? 2) looks like we're both wrong bitch.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
No plasma is not fire and only one of us is wrong https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2016/05/is-there-fire
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u/Ylfjsufrn 17d ago
You said no oxygen on stars. I see oxygen as a level of elements on there.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Fire doesn’t exist inside a planet’s core, even if that spurious graphic is true it wouldn’t matter because that’s all super condensed matter anyway and fire can’t exist there
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
That graphic looks like it’s from a textbook that would say “Hawaii will one day make a great state.”
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u/Ylfjsufrn 17d ago
Well I think it would make an excellent state thank you very much.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Well I think you need to go scrub your face and work on your acne routine and stop commenting on topics you know nothing about.
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u/Ylfjsufrn 17d ago
makes bad joke: random guy gets angry and takes time to go through my post history, because I had to Google to see if stars had Oxygen in them.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Maybe you should have googled whether or not stars have fire.
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u/Ylfjsufrn 17d ago
But I didn't want to know if they had fire. Just if they had Oxygen.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Well that’s entirely irrelevant to whether or not they have fire if that oxygen is millions of feet inside the sun
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
And since I’m a kind and generous person I’ll tell you a secret to help your skin as you asked on your profile and save you money. Rub honey on your face 30 minutes before taking a shower, wash it off with black soap and use a nice moisturizer. Your welcome
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u/bigtallsob 17d ago
there is no oxygen on stars
Since the whole point of this post is for everyone to be pedantic fucks, I'll just point out that a star of a certain size and age will in fact have oxygen.
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u/StealYourJelly 17d ago
The sun is a miasma
Of incandescent plasma
The sun's not simply made out of gas
No, no, no
The sun is a quagmire
It's not made of fire
Forget what you've been told in the past
Electrons are free
(Plasma!) Fourth state of matter
Not gas, not liquid, not solid
The sun isn't a red dwarf
I hope it never morphs
Into a supernova'd collapsed orb
Orb, orb, orb
The sun is a miasma
Of incandescent plasma
I forget what I was told by myself
Elf, elf, elf
Electrons are free
(Plasma!) Fourth state of matter
Not gas, not liquid, not solid
Forget that song
(Plasma!) They got it wrong
That thesis has been rendered invalid
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u/HobbyistAccount 17d ago
I'm both impressed and mildly worried. Did you just come up with that?
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
It's a song from They Might Be Giants. They did a cover of "why does the sun shine?" and after it was criticized for its scientific inaccuracies they put out this "correction" called "why does the sun really shine?"
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u/Kilir 17d ago
Not observed =/= hasn't happened. May as well claim there isn't intelligent life anywhere else in the universe, nor has there been or ever been. It can happen, so statistically it will happen given enough time.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
I never said it couldn’t happen
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u/Kilir 17d ago
"...earth is the only place in the universe with fire" seems to imply it doesn't exist anywhere else, which is a statistical impossibility. Also, I said "hasn't", not "can't".
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
“As far as we know” do you know how to read?
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u/Kilir 17d ago
I sure do, however all that preface does is profess ignorance of the claim you go on to make. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that the claim itself was what you were arguing for, and just responded to it. Though I see now you're just looking to argue for the sake of it, all the while using an appeal to ignorance fallacy.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Ug no you didn’t read the title correctly and you’re the one continuing this dumb argument. We haven’t found fire anywhere in the universe besides earth YET. That’s the fact, that’s what I said, I don’t know what you’re still going on about
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
I told this clown the same thing a bunch of times. he is just looking to argue.
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
Out side of our solar system everything we can see in the observable Universe is balls of fire. Also you are wrong from the start. Active volcanoes have been observed for some time now. https://geology.com/articles/active-volcanoes-solar-system.shtml#:~:text=Based%20upon%20observations%20from%20Earth,Enceladus%2C%20a%20moon%20of%20Saturn.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
lol confidently incorrect. Stars are made of plasma, not fire.
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
I did n't say they were made of fire, I said they were balls of fire, as in they burn and they are balls, I could have said they are immense spheres of exploding hydrogen nuclei but I am not a pedantic twat. BTW super-heated plasma is fire. Fire isn't just one thing. It's like saying ice isn't water, don't be a hair-splitting twat-waffle.
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u/sagerap 17d ago
I did n’t say they were made of fire, I said they were balls of fire
LOL- “I didn’t say this was made of cheese, I said it was a ball of cheese 😤”
Sounds legit
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago edited 17d ago
Sure, if you are incapable of nuance, which defines you as rather simpleminded. A ball of fire is made of whatever that fire is burning, or Hydrogen and helium, or is this simplistic explanation too much nuance for you?
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u/sagerap 17d ago
I think you need to 1-take a giant chill pill, 2-copy this reply, and 3-find the person it was meant for and say it to them 🤦♂️
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
No you made a claim and your claim is false, stars are not balls of fire. Fire requires oxygen. Just delete your comment and save yourself some embarrassment
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
No you made a claim and your claim is false, stars are not balls of fire
No it isn't and yes they are. Plenty of things burn without oxygen. They are defined as non-chemical reactions, so get termed as types of plasma, but fire is fire. Just saying it is only a word that can be sued to describe oxidised combustion is pedantic and contextually inaccurate. Also this whole post is ridiculous as it is really asking the question: is there oxygen in the Universe outside of our planet, which has been observed so fire is possible which makes it a dumbarse presumptive question in the first place. You can look at any of the expoplanets that have been discovered and analysed with spectroscopy and see the ones that have carbon and oxygen and you can have fire, but if you choose to not to be a pedantic douche and are able to understand nuance instead of taking everything literally, then you could look up into the night or day sky and see nothing but fire. I guess it is up to you as to how much of a dickhead you want to be. I suppose being technically correct is more important to your ego than understanding something is.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Wrong. Yes oxygen has been found. Fire has not. https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2016/05/is-there-fire
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
It does not need to be discovered. It needs to be theorised and proved possible. It has. If you have the conditions for fire, then you eventually have fire. Just because it hasn't been burning in a way we can see it when we have chosen to observe, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The OP is saying, because we haven't observed it, does it really exist anywhere else, the obvious answer is yes. No one observed the big bang but evidence and study show have created a consensus on that idea, but apparently the same level of scientific investigation and consensus of the evidence on the idea of fire is not enough for you. I'll say it again, stop being a pedantic twat waffle just to win some meaningless technical point in a meaningless argument. No one cares how clever you think you are. You are arguing for the sake of arguing. Next, you'll work on correcting my grammar. That's how obvious you are.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Ad hominem, the last resort of the desperately wrong. I didn’t say it doesn’t exist, literally the post title says we haven’t observed it. That is not the same as saying it doesn’t exist. You’re just mad cuz you’re wrong in your original comment and I provided proof you’re wrong. EDIT spelling
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
As for ad hominem, criticising you for your style of argument and the way in which you are just arguing for the sake of it is accurate, as your argument on it's own is piss weak, but I checked your comment history, it is littered with your own ad hominem attacks and the massive d-bag hypocrisy of actually telling other redditors not to use ad hominem attacks. I guess you must very often, ion your own words, be desperately wrong then huh? You are a fat arsed hypocrite and you know it. If you'd like i could copy and paste your own shithead responses to other comments in the last couple of months, about a quarter of your you comments are abusing other people for their comments. Would you like me to do this or are you ready to sit down and shut the fuck up like the adult child you are?
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Ooh you stalking me? That’s so sweet I’m flattered. But alas you’re wrong I’m not fat and I’m getting laid tonight with multiple dudes. You’re not invited
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u/MichaellaNW94 17d ago
Don't worry dude. Anyone who can navigate a simple google search can see the right answer. Some folks just like to argue.
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
They can also see that this is a retarded post from the start with the answer being self evident and not even needing to be asked. But look at all the pseudo intellectuals arguing over something we already have the facts on. Anyone who can navigate a simple thought process can see and here is the truth that maybe a siple google search could have led you too
In a flame, ionization of the air atoms occurs because the temperature is high enough to cause the atoms to knock into each other and rip off electrons. Therefore, in a flame, the amount of ionization depends on the temperature. (Other mechanisms can lead to ionization. For instance, in lightning, strong electric currents cause the ionization. In the ionosphere, sunlight causes the ionization.) The bottom line is that a flame only becomes a plasma if it gets hot enough. Flames at lower temperatures do not contain enough ionization to become a plasma. On the other hand, a higher-temperature flame does indeed contain enough freed electrons and ions to act as a plasma.
So blow that plasma out your arse mate.
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u/NedKelkyLives 17d ago
Um, "sun" or "star"????
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
What exactly do you think is “burning” or producing oxygen on the sun to keep it burning?
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Um suns or stars are plasma not fire. If you check the comments half a dozen other people have made that same mistaken assumption.
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u/Upstairs-Ad-8144 17d ago edited 17d ago
You obviously are using the common misconceptions that stars are fire, but when somebody called you out on your fatalistic view concerning the whole universe, you referred to the clever wording of "as far as we know".
The tone of your replies is condescending and you are coming off as a dick rather than somebody who wants to enlighten people's days with interesting facts.
I'd say it's safe to say that earth being the one unique place with fire in the whole universe is very unlikely. What we haven't done yet, is observed it somewhere else at this point.
If you want to educate people, you have certainly failed. If you wanted to trick people so you can feed your ego you have achieved your goal. Now become a better person, you will see that it improves your self worth even more than making snarky remarks at strangers on the Internet.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago edited 17d ago
Common misconception? Are you serious? Ask any rube on the street if the sun is on fire and 90% will say yes. EDIT: did you mean to say the common misconception that stars ARE on fire?
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u/Upstairs-Ad-8144 17d ago
Sorry typo. I meant to say the opposite. I corrected it an now you can calm down.
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u/pobody 17d ago
Stars are balls of super-hot plasma running a fusion reaction. That's not combustion or fire in the technical sense. Fire requires oxygen and flammable fuel.
But like humans, fire requires free oxygen — molecular oxygen uncombined with other elements. This free oxygen has not been detected in appreciable amounts in our solar system or on exoplanets.
From the article OP linked.
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u/notbad2u 17d ago
Assuming there's life out there, there's probably loins and there's fire in those loins.
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u/mwmstern 17d ago
Only if you don't count volcanic fire. https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2020/07/21/Scientists-find-ring-of-fire-on-surface-of-Venus/5721595350432/#:~:text=July%2021%20(UPI)%20%2D%2D%20Scientists,belt%20of%20active%20mantle%20plumes.&text=Unlike%20Earth's%20Ring%20of%20Fire,that%20produced%20the%20Hawaiian%20Islands.
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u/HugoBDesigner 17d ago
What a bizarre idea. Mars should be named Curiosity Rover, since it's the only place in the universe we know of with a rover named Curiosity.
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u/HugoBDesigner 17d ago
I didn't miss the point. It is very fascinating that fire only exists on Earth as far as we know. Still wouldn't consider it enough to call the planet after a unique, but otherwise very minuscule phenomenon (minuscule in relationship to the planet as a whole).
Also, my art? What art?
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u/cybersnake00 17d ago
Seems there is a lot of debate going on here.
Stars are not made of fire, but similarly produce large amounts of heat and light. The difference is that fire is a combustion of chemicals and fuels from oxygen. Stars are fueled by nuclear fusion.
That being said, it seems rather unlikely that there is no fire on exoplanets. Current processes of finding exoplanets cannot observe a fire, as most processes are observations of the star over time and not an exoplanet directly.
So until much further advances are made in exploring our galaxy, or we observe fire somewhere else in our solar system, Earth will be the only planet with observed fire for a long time.
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u/kds0321 17d ago
Dumb question but what do they call the "firestorm" coming from the sun?
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u/W0bb1ez 17d ago
What’s that glowing ball in the sky?
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
That would be nuclear fission plasma, NOT fire. A simple google will tell you that.
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u/OuthouseRedback 17d ago
In a flame, ionization of the air atoms occurs because the temperature is high enough to cause the atoms to knock into each other and rip off electrons. Therefore, in a flame, the amount of ionization depends on the temperature. (Other mechanisms can lead to ionization. For instance, in lightning, strong electric currents cause the ionization. In the ionosphere, sunlight causes the ionization.) The bottom line is that a flame only becomes a plasma if it gets hot enough. Flames at lower temperatures do not contain enough ionization to become a plasma. On the other hand, a higher-temperature flame does indeed contain enough freed electrons and ions to act as a plasma.
That is what a simple google search got me. Maybe take your own advice.
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u/W0bb1ez 17d ago
Lmao thanks dude! And it’s odd that Herakles response was a direct quote from Google, sounds smart but think they googled it first.
R/condescending
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Mm no I listened to a podcast called Stuff to Blow Your Mind. And they are correct and so was I. You wanna dance princess?
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Ooh and the award for most likely to blow themselves up with homemade explosives goes to you and your mom. Come on down and take your sash.
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u/SkekSith 17d ago
Sun?
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
What do you think is “burning” on the sun?
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u/SkekSith 17d ago
Nothing, it’s not chemical combustion. It’s nuclear fission. I mean I guess technically it’s burning hydrogen. But does that mean it’s not fire? And if so, why not?
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u/Agreeable_River_1848 17d ago
There is no reason to believe that fire ALWAYS needs oxygen.There are several non-oxygen oxidizers such as Fluorine, Chlorine, Hydrogen that do the same job.
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u/Agreeable_River_1848 16d ago
Plants are not the only source of oxygen.Also fire is not exclusive to Oxygen, there is also Chlorine, Hydrogen and Fluorine for example...
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u/hopelesslyhopeful9 17d ago
Same with liquid water. Why it's called water world....
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Europa has liquid water
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u/hopelesslyhopeful9 17d ago
It's not water. It's liquid methane and co2
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Nah everything I’m reading says salty water
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u/hopelesslyhopeful9 17d ago
Well I'll be. That's cool
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
It’s actually one of the most likely places in our solar system where life could be found under the ice. That and Venus. We need to stop obsessing over life on mars it isn’t there. We need to go to Europa and Venus
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u/SkunkApe2003 17d ago
Venus’s upper atmosphere was so hot that it melted a metal probe. There is without a doubt no life there.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
I’ll try to find the article but there is serious evidence that extremophiles could exist in the upper atmosphere of Venus. Very serious scientists have found real evidence of gasses that life produces coming off of Venus
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u/Ptb1852 17d ago
Really? Every star in the universe is actually on fire . 🙄
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
If the sun was just a massive ball of burning fire we wouldn’t even be able to see it.
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
I don't think that's true. The main issue is that since it's a much less energetic reaction, the sun would have consumed all its fuel by now and gone out.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago edited 17d ago
I’m certainly not a scientist and it would be an interesting question to ask an expert but if you hypothetically just created a sun-sized ball of gasoline and lit it, I’m almost positive it would be so dim it would be nearly invisible. EDIT: and actually you would probably have to also have a constant supply of oxygen to even keep it burning.
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
The photosphere of the sun isn't that hot. It's about 5000K. But note that much of that energy is released in the UV spectrum.
The sun would heat the earth much less of it were a chemical reaction, but it wouldn't be that much dimmer. The important thing about how bright the sun is is that it's very big.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Yes but it’s also the heat that makes it bright, I think at a certain temperature fire isn’t fire anymore. The plasma of the sun is so hot it makes it that bright. Regular fire isn’t that bright from such a massive distance.
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
It's just a matter of the blackbody spectrum. The sun is close to an ideal blackbody in terms of radiation. So no, it doesn't do special magic plasma things. It's a matter of heat, yes, but the visible-spectrum emissions of an earth-fire at like 600K vs the sun's 5000K aren't really that dramatically different.
The sun would be dimmer but you could definitely see it.
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u/midrandom 17d ago
The surface of a gasoline Sun would still be much brighter than the moon, and would still be the same size. It would be extremely hard to miss. We see the surfaces of cold planets just fine, with only the tiniest fraction of the Sun's light bouncing back at us. You can see Mars with the naked eye, and it's a tiny spec, compared to the apparent size of the Sun and Moon, while also being much dimmer than an open flame. Even if a sphere the size of the Sun was only a dim red (900 F, blackbody), it would be very obvious in the sky.
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Where are you r/askscience ?
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u/arcosapphire 17d ago
I mean this thread is full of people making inaccurate statements, I'm just doing my best here.
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u/SkidmarkSteveMD 17d ago
I mean we could also called it the world of my dick because it's the only place in the known universe that has it
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
K forgive my bad joke because I can’t help myself but that’s only because we haven’t invented a telescope that can detect microscopic organisms on other planets.
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u/Unfair-Bug6779 17d ago
Such a cool fact ha. Did you also know there is no legal drinking limit?!? I'm from Wisconsin and lived a large portion of my life believing you can drive below a .07... not the case you can't blow anything...every time u see cops and they says 2 beers...just fucked urself
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u/Agreeable_River_1848 17d ago
Um, there is, maybe , the Sun....
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u/herakles_love 17d ago
Fire requires oxygen, do you think there are plants producing oxygen on the sun?
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