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u/fat_charizard 16d ago
In Moria, one female goblin says to another in goblin language "let's get the fuck outta here. The balrog is coming'
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u/ActionDeluxe 16d ago
She just nods, saying "yup" to her friend, while they each grab their go-bags and gtfo.
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u/DRUNK-M3RL1N 17d ago
Doesn’t Eowin talk to that same girl a few minutes later?
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u/bwjunkie6 16d ago
Well. She goes “shhhhh”
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u/RXIXX777 16d ago
"Shhhh" counts! If it doesn't then my mom has talked to me 83% less than what I thought.
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u/Farren246 16d ago
Strange, your mom is always so vocal when she's with me...
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u/ChintanP04 One does not simply join lotrmemes without joining PrequelMemes 16d ago
Calling you a dirty little shit while spanking you doesn't count.
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u/Somehero 16d ago
The OP is not considering them in the definition of "characters" since they don't have names. It would be like saying 'the lord of the rings has 600 female characters' cause all those women marching in one shot; doesn't make sense. You can argue the definition, but the post is right in it's logic.
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u/IAmManMan 16d ago
Fun fact, that little girl grew up to be a mentor to the power rangers.
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u/Thetophatjester 16d ago
The first time I saw the og post it said "no women had a conversation with eachother" which could technically be true. A conversation tends to be longer than 3 sentences.
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u/aRogue_ 16d ago
you think someone intentionally edited the og post, to create a wrong statement they can disprove?
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u/subishii 17d ago
Still some of the best, most powerful female characters though
Also, maybe we saw some female dwarves and just didn’t realise it?
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u/duckipn 17d ago
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u/samthewisetarly 17d ago
No there's no female dwarves, they just spring up from the ground
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u/LayzieKobes 16d ago
That's just completely preposterous
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u/Sixty9Cuda 16d ago
Yeah, everyone knows that Dwarves don’t spring up from the ground.
It’s a slow crawl as they dig their way out of the dirt.
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u/Codus1 16d ago edited 16d ago
My personal favourite part of Tolkiens female characters is that they don't fall into the narrative traps that many writing female characters do.
They aren't written with their gender as a defining trait. Nor do they have their sexuality used as a trial, adversity, punishment or general plot point.
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u/SuperEnthusiastic 16d ago
Except for Eoywn? Her gender was pretty important.
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u/Codus1 16d ago edited 16d ago
To the contrary, her story is about being greater than being defined by her gender. Whether as Durnhelm or Eowyn, she's the same person. Undefined by gender.
As for being "No man". This is definitely reinforced by the films as being gendered. However, is largely just a play on words for the novel. Perhaps a little bit of a nod to prophecy being multi-faceted as her gender isn't the sole reason she's able to kill the Witch King.
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u/zernoc56 16d ago
The “prophecy” Glorfindel told about the Witch-King of Angmar basically says ‘he’s not gonna die for a while, and it’s not Man who will kill him’. Which is really vague. The Witch-King basically took this to mean, ‘Don’t fight Elves or Dwarves and I’m invincible. Cool.”
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u/lorddaru 16d ago
But it wasn't her only purpose in the story. Also the prophecy is more or less a play on words I think.
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u/Pabus_Alt 16d ago edited 16d ago
People treat it like a rule, it's just saying "hey this woman will kill you"
It's the WK who thought it meant he was invulnerable or some shit. (Like technically he was he could wade in to battle against men with confidence of "no this is not the one that will get me", until the foreseen moment arrived)
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u/AliasMcFakenames 16d ago
I heard from some Tolkien nerd who knows more than me that it wasn’t meant to be a prophesy at all, nor did it have anything to do with gender as intended. Basically some elf warrior saw the WK fighting and thought “well shit, he’s too badass for any man (human) to kill, gonna have to send an elf warrior after that one.”
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u/SexualPie 16d ago
sure, but there's still 30 dudes for every one woman. they're written well enough, but not enough representation
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u/Codus1 16d ago
Oh the gender imbalance is definitely an issue. However, I was talking specifically about characterisation as the first comment in this thread already specifically establishes the conversation as being aside from the obvious imbalance.
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u/Technical_Shake_9573 16d ago
I would argue that in a fantasy that uses a lot of monarchy vibes in it (kings/loyalty..) , they are actually having a very good representation considering the setting it is set in.
Now you could have the same approach of GOT that places women in a lot of intrigues. But i think that's what makes it shine in lotr, they are fucking bright as fuck in a male dominated setting (just like medieval history with Jeanne d'arc or other females figures). When arwen is rescuing frodo on horses, when galadriel is first seen in the lorien forest and without knowing her character yet just forces the respect only because of her aura, when eowyn fucking double slash an oliphant...
They dont need an artifice such as "here is a woman, she can be power full, respect her".
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u/Codus1 16d ago edited 16d ago
I get what you're saying and do think there's half a point to be had in that.
However, It's supposed to be a pre-historic human myth. Specifically kind of very Pre-Roman Britain. Tolkein felt that England lacked the pre-historic myth of its European neighbours and wanted to create one. So I feel equating it to any know human history is a disservice to Tolkeins intention. Besides, women held many positions of power in many cultural myths. Just look at Greek, Egyptian, or Nordic myth. So there's definitely potential for depictions of a more prominent diversity in middle-earths mythos. Hell, in isolation Arwen and Galadriel are barely characters for the LotR films.
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u/atypicalphilosopher 16d ago
What exactly was good about them? Legitimately. They were pretty...vanilla to me. I'm sure I'll get downvoted, even though I love LOTR, but the females aren't exactly standout characters.
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u/Rork310 16d ago
I got the impression he was someone with limited experience around Women leading him to tend to either Idolize or Dismiss them without much middle ground myself.
However that being said I don't think he get's anywhere near enough credit for Eowyn. Not because 'Badass warrior lady' I think that's missing the point of the character. But because (especially by the standards of the time) she is a shockingly good take on a traumatised suicidal person seeking a way out. Which I suspect would have been inspired by his time in the Military.
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u/atypicalphilosopher 16d ago
This eloquently sums up how I feel about it. Good point about Eowyn as well.
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u/weltallic 16d ago
limited experience around Women leading him to tend to either Idolize or Dismiss them
The modern epidemic of creating "badass" female characters with zero flaws because every female character must be a Role Model™ is not an improvement.
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u/uabtch 16d ago
I know it's different in the books, but Arwens intro in the films is awesome. She sneaks up on Aragorn, saves Frodo from the Nazgul, and gets him in Rivendell in time to be healed. That scene in the films is a nail biter for me every time (even though I know what's going to happen).
Also, Eowyn felt like a well rounded character to me. I wanted to dislike her for hitting on Aragorn, but she took his rejection well and killed the Witch King.
I can't say much about Galadriel, except she scares the poop outta me when she has her "Beautiful and Terrible" queen speech.
Maybe you just think they're vanilla because they're all white /s
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u/frodo_bot 16d ago
I cannot go back
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u/joachim_s 16d ago
Shut up. You’re not the real Frodo.
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u/frodo_bot 16d ago
I miss the Shire. I spent all my childhood pretending I was off somewhere else. Off with you, on one of your adventures.
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u/Ploppeldiplopp 16d ago
Yup. I absolutly agree. The only female character in the novels who actually did anything herself, who had a goal and some character development, was Eowyn, and in the end, she like Arwen ended up as the pretty thing to be married. As a girl I was pretty disappointed, though as an adult I can appreciate it a bit better.
Meanwhile the movies made a completly nonsensical storyline surrounding Arwen just so they could play her up as the LI for Aragorn - just so we'd all remember that she'll be the pretty prize to win if he manages to survive and become king. Great.
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u/cammoblammo 16d ago
Galadriel had a lot of development too, in the book, although most of it is off-screen, so to speak. When you read her chapters in the context of her wider story (which was largely developed after the book was written) you realise that you’re seeing a major turning point in her life and career.
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u/mmmtastypancakes 16d ago
Ugh yes when I read the books for the first time I was SOOO upset about Eowyn’s ending. And Arwen doesn’t do much in the books, so I thought Aragorn was insane for choosing Arwen over Eowyn, who is way cooler.
Honestly now I can kind of see that it was a development from being very dissatisfied with her life to being at peace with it. Plus Faramir is the sweetest and they were closer to equals, they were able to grow together through shared experiences. He was a better partner for her than Aragorn anyway. Lotr in general is very anti war, so the fact that she wanted to fight is clearly unhealthy and related to her depression and perhaps even suicidal. When she was able to heal mentally, she became comfortable being at peace. It’s still pretty lame that she really doesn’t get to be a cool ruler or anything, she just sort of fades into the background, but I get why it’s like that I suppose. More peaceful. But her arc is still basically learning to settle, which is pretty lame, and when I was a kid it made me so angry.
I feel like girls deserve better role models than Eowyn “learn to settle,” Arwen “ditch your family and immortality for a man,” and Galadriel “they call her man-maiden because being good at things = being a man.”
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u/SkeletorInvestor 17d ago
Not a troll question- why were there no female orcs?
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u/Telemere125 16d ago
There weren’t any in the movies but Tolkien confirmed that they reproduced sexually and that there were female orcs. Also, remember, Bolg was the son of Azog, so clearly the reproduced biologically. All that stuff from the movie about them coming out of sacks like bugs was just Jackaon’s interpretation of creating the Uruk-hai because he didn’t want to show the process of crossing an orc and a human in the… other way.
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u/skamsibland 16d ago
What? There is totally a female orc! She welcomes the trio and the ghosts off the ships at the pelenor fields!
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u/Peppersworth 16d ago
I thought I was orcs and elves. Also peter Jackson is a coward not to show it.
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u/BuildingAirships 16d ago
No, Uruk-hai are a cross between Orcs and men. You’re thinking of Saruman’s story about how Orcs were originally elves.
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u/mki_ 16d ago
No it was orcs and Dunlendings IIRC
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u/Maleterrier 16d ago
Maybe that’s just how Uruk-Hai are created specifically, and they can’t reproduce, as they’re only bred for war and then die.
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u/understater 17d ago
How do we know that those were male orcs?
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u/seanzytheman 16d ago
Well in the super extended editions, each of the movies has a scene showing the orcs bathing each other and they all have 13 inch schlongs
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u/deicous 16d ago
Yea, those were the females
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u/MrBlack103 16d ago
Orcs aren't corrupted elves. They were corrupted hyenas all along.
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u/SalsaSmuggler 17d ago
Because they were bred in pits so strictly speaking they didn’t need any. That’s just my guess but it’s a good question lol
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u/Crusty_Blob 16d ago edited 16d ago
Not really. The pit spawning thing was only for the movies. In the books, there are female orcs and orcs breed like any other sentient race.
The reason we didn't see any specific orc females in the story is because it's told from the perspective of the fellowship characters. They only encounter orcs/goblins under a martial context (i.e. they only see orc soldiers). The most intimate glimpse we get into orc society and how they interact with each other is when Frodo is taken to the tower, and even then it's only occupied by male soldiers.
Given how orcs treat each other, it's very safe to assume that they confine their women to caves and pits where they are raped and constantly impregnated until they're no longer able to bear children. Considering how quickly they multiply in numbers, we can assume orc pregnancy lasts for a shorter amount of time with a higher rate of twins or triplets. One might assume orcs kill off weaker babies as part of their general malice and cruelty, but most orcs are weak, deformed and definitely not good specimens by their own standards of power. So they probably don't do eugenics. They don't have the skills and knowledge necessary for selective breeding (which is why higher beings like Saruman and Sauron had to organize the creation of Uruk-hai). They're probably mass fed until they can barely fend for themselves, and then kicked out of the nest to serve their master.
There is also the possibility that female orcs are so grotesque in appearance that they are no longer sexually dimorphic and are indistinguishable from the males (thus fighting alongside them as soldiers but nobody has any idea of what sex they are).
Either way, female orcs must live short and painful lives like any other orc.
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u/frodo_bot 16d ago
Whatever you did, you've been officially labeled a disturber of the peace.
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u/druu222 16d ago edited 16d ago
But wasn't it said in the films that the orcs were, "a race of elves, taken by the Dark Lord, twisted... corrupted..."
So perhaps it was only the Uruk Hai who were created by Saruman. (And of course, here the canon of book and film differ.)
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u/Crusty_Blob 16d ago
Tolkien was never sure about the origins of the orcs. He did mention them as corrupted and tortured elves once, but he never solidified it and never felt comfortable with it. Considering the elven origin as canon, we have to keep in mind that 3rd age orcs wouldn't be the same ex-elves corrupted and mutilated by Morgoth. They would be their distant descendants. The elves were corrupted, tortured and mutilated into an abominable form. These ruined elves were then bred for centuries, and Morgoth's corruption grew stronger with each generation. The final product was the orcs, who were now a distinct species with little to no resemblance to their elven ancestors in behaviour or appearance.
The Uruk-hai were created by breeding orcs with humans and then doing some evil wizard shenanigans to empower them. Human genes made them taller, stronger and smarter. They were more disciplined and better organized, and could march under direct sunlight without being crippled and confused (they still hated it of course).
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u/youtubot 16d ago
But we really don't know, for all we know orcs could be like ants with one giant queen, or they could be like snails where any two orcs could make a child, or they could be like dwarves and just spring out of holes in the ground.
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u/SkeletorInvestor 17d ago
True. And it would make sense to breed ones that have strong physical attributes. So of course they would be male.
Now what about the goblins? They would have to have females to keep breeding, right? Again, not a troll question- just stoned.
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u/drgroove909 Orc 17d ago
Haha you get it? Troll question?...Stoned?!
aaaaah shit
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u/FarkinRoboDer 17d ago
Now leave and never come back
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u/drgroove909 Orc 17d ago
Mr Frodo 🥺
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u/Deadpool2715 16d ago
Same answer as dwarves, there are female goblins you just can’t tell them apart
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u/_MilkBone_ 17d ago
Good thing you’re not asking about trolls. My knowledge of trolls is significantly less than my knowledge of orcs. Also, idk
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u/tetradserket Elf 16d ago
If we’re going by the movies, they seem to just kinda create them out of orc-goop, so they wouldn’t really need male or female orcs.
If we’re going by Tolkien lore, orcs were initially elves that were tortured and corrupted by the OG Dark Lord. So yes, there are female orcs. They probably don’t look much different than male orcs, but they must have some kind of reproductive ability because there’s no other way orcs would continue to exist in such large numbers.
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u/Artholos 16d ago
Maybe Amazon is gonna give us a peek into dark lordless orc-making O.o
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u/tetradserket Elf 16d ago
An orc character? Or orc romance? That would be hard to justify, what with all the orc-killing they all did in the Lord of the Rings movies, and the fact that orcs are canonically evil because of their warping.
But it would sure be interesting to see! And there are some versions of canon where that would be possible, I think. Or they might just decide to stick with orc goo, haha.
I wonder which versions of Tolkien canon they’re going to follow. You see, I’m super hyped for the LotR TV show, but a small part of me is also dreading it, because I’ve had years and years to choose which versions of canon to follow, and to fill in the gaps with my own elaborate ideas of what some of the characters in the First and Second Ages went through, based on info in the Silmarillion and other works. But it’s entirely possible that the show will slowly but surely obliterate my mental version of the LotR worlds with its new popular canon, until nothing at all is left of my old imaginations.
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u/wachagondo 16d ago
Obviously not a troll question, as this is about orcs. Trolls and orcs are very different!
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u/samthewisetarly 17d ago
The point is real though, Tolkien didn't share our modern sensibilities on female characters
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u/TrumpWasABadPOTUS 16d ago
Exactly. I'm really glad this fandom isn't jumping on the train to defend the relative lack of female characters nor on the one that demonizes Tolkien for it. It's just a fact that he didn't really include a lot of female characters, and even fewer interactions between them, and while it would've been good to have it really can be justified, in this case, by admitting that LotR was a product of both its time and its author (who was an academic with mostly academic friends in a time when very few women were academics).
Compared to, for example, the Lovecraft fandom, which tears itself apart defending Lovecraft's indefensible racism or makes the case to diminish Lovecraft's other accomplishments because of that bigotry, and I'm just really glad this place exists.
Also, I'm really excited to see some more cool female characters in the new series; it's something that was always lacking and it'll be one way Amazon's series can actually compete with the Trilogy. That and better perspectives from some of the "villains".
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u/Pass_The_Salt_ 16d ago
Its also that most of LOTR follows the fellowship (none of which are women) and their interactions with other characters. Most of the side characters don’t interact with each other but instead the “main cast” of the fellowship. There are lots of badass female characters and I am also excited to see some more in Amazon’s show.
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u/themostok 16d ago
Weren’t his books also somewhat metaphorical on his time during WWI? It would also play into your point about being a product of its time.
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u/TrumpWasABadPOTUS 16d ago
They definitely drew from some aspects of the War, but Tolkien himself disavowed any connection and said the books were neither metaphor or analogy. Despite that, it's really hard to avoid reading those analogies into it, so how much WW1 is in LotR really can depend on interpretation.
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u/themostok 16d ago
For me, I saw a lot of parallels with Frodo at the end feeling out of place and unable to adjust to life afterwards. While I can’t speak based on personal experience, it felt similar to other narratives about post-war trauma.
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u/TrumpWasABadPOTUS 16d ago
I totally agree. I think it might even been subconscious, but that there is a lot of WW1 and some WW2 in the franchise.
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u/TacoRising 16d ago edited 16d ago
There are significantly more female characters in his work outside of LotR and Hobbit.
Right off the top of my head there are Luthien and Melian, Morwen, Niniel, Finduilas, Idril, Aredhel, Erendis...
Quite a few of these women are badass in their own right, whether it be in battle or their fiery disposition and unwillingness to submit to just anyone. Many of them do indeed have dialogue with each other, although whether or not they pass the Bechdel Test I can't say.
But I would be so bold as to claim the legendarium is filled with incredible female characters, it just so happens that a majority of them are in his other works.
EDIT: I'm not blindly defending Tolkien, just adding my perspective. I definitely think there are some sexist and racist undertones in his work, whether they're put there intentionally or not. The fact is he was a product of his time, and as such held beliefs similar to those held in that time. He's still one of my favorite authors.
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u/TrumpWasABadPOTUS 16d ago
Thats very true! Because all of the works those are derived from came later, I wouldn't be surprised if he took in criticism and, like the good academic he is, adjusted his writing to more heavily feature female characters -- given that he didn't seem to hold any animus towards women whatsoever and was in fact quite progressiv about gender, I'd say it's actually very likely that he himself was critical of the Hobbit's and LotR's gender balance and sought to amend that by making sure his later works added lots of diverse women.
Plus I think that Christopher was even more forward thinking and helped push Middle Earth even further with that as time went on. The franchise really was a changing, adapting, growing thing.
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u/TacoRising 16d ago
The only thing I'd add is that it's possible much of this came before Hobbit and LotR. Much of The Silmarillion was already written before even The Hobbit! We don't know for sure the dates he wrote a lot of these stories, but it is known he had an almost complete version of Silmarillion he tried to publish at the same time as LotR, and he continued working on it in the hopes of getting it out until his death. Although his work ethic was pretty fucking terrible. Even after retiring from academics and having more time to work on his stories, he found himself committed to writing forwards or essays, poems, etc. and rarely got anything done.
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u/isawarmbun 17d ago
He didn’t know about the Bechdel test.
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u/DosimetryMan 16d ago
What about second Bechdel test?
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u/Saints-and-Poets Hobbit 16d ago
I don't think he knows about second Bechdel test, Pip.
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u/DosimetryMan 16d ago
What about Wallaces? Mako Mori? Johanson analysis? DeConnick? Sphinx? He knows about them, doesn't he?
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u/samthewisetarly 17d ago
To be fair, it's not that old.
The female characters we think of the most, Arwen, Galadriel, Eowyn are actually fantastic characters that don't necessarily fill old-fashioned female gender roles. There just aren't non-romantic or familial female relationships anywhere to be seen
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u/J_B_333 Aragorn 16d ago
In the books, Arwen is briefly mentioned a few times in the main text as the woman Aragorn loves, and later as his queen. In the appendices, we get the full love story, but it's just a love story. Arwen doesn't ride out to battle or anything. All she does is sew Aragorn's banner that he flies on the corsair ships he took with the Army of the Dead. In the movies, they made her the person to ride Frodo into Rivendell, but in the books, that was Glorfindel, an elf with a rather fascinating backstory. The change makes sense, of course, as the original story left us with only two interesting female characters, but Arwen in the books didn't do much. (That's why I get mildly annoyed when I see a poster for LotR with her and not Eowyn on it. Eowyn didn't need her role expanded to become an interesting character.)
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u/gideon513 17d ago
That’s just an arbitrary test. There’s great female characters in the story.
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u/J_B_333 Aragorn 16d ago
There's only two in the actual books, as Arwen did basically nothing...
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u/KaizDaddy5 17d ago
This can't hold for the books, does it?
I feel like there's gotta be some female hobbits that are chatting it up at the party.
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u/Chuck_Finley_Forever 17d ago
I’m sure Tolkien envisioned some of this while writing the party scene but I don’t remember him every specifically mentioning that.
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u/[deleted] 17d ago
Just listened to the scene and nothing like that is mentioned. The only female hobbit to have any mention is a Sackville-Baggins lady trying to track down Bilbo
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u/nicolasmcfly Men of Harad 16d ago
Lobelia
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u/[deleted] 16d ago
Yess thank you
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u/ShadowSpectre47 16d ago
There's very few female Hobbit's mentioned, such as Farmer Maggot's wife, and Rose Cotton, although I'm not certain that they attended the party.
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u/BlueButYou 16d ago
I’m trying to think of something… Rosie puts Elanor on Sam’s lap. That’s not talking, but it’s two female characters interacting.
I’m wondering if there’s something in the Appendices…
Rosie and Mrs Cotton both speak to Sam as the three stand together, but they don’t speak to each other.
Arwen and Galadriel are together, but don’t speak.
Arwen says farewell “to her brethren”. Not super explicit, but I think this might technically count. She’s saying goodbye to her family, including her grandmother.
I’m counting that as a win. Arwen says farewell to her grandma.
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u/nicolasmcfly Men of Harad 16d ago
The nurses at Gondor talking to each other to bring that plant to cure Merry and Éowyn
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u/BlueButYou 16d ago
Ioreth! She speaks to multiple women, although I think none named. One is her family member:
‘Nay, cousin! they are not boys,’ said Ioreth to her kins- woman from Imloth Melui, who stood beside her.
Ioreth is explicitly speaking to unnamed women throughout. I was hoping she spoke to Eowyn, but I don’t think she does.
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u/nicolasmcfly Men of Harad 16d ago
Also when Aragorn returns to Gondor as King Elessar she also talks to another woman.
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u/BlueButYou 16d ago
Yes. She’s often speaking to women who are standing next to her.
I think my example is best because it’s Ioreth and her female cousin from Imloth Melui. Better than Ioreth and random woman who we know nothing about.
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u/k_pineapple7 16d ago
There are some scenes of women talking to each other in the books. The one that sprang to my mind was the healer's attendant, Ioreth, who is explaining to her cousin (I think) what's going on when Faramir and Aragorn meet at the gates of Minas Tirith for Aragorn's coronation. I am certain Eowyn would have interacted with her also, as she was in the Houses of Healing recovering, and Ioreth tends to her.
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u/Somehero 16d ago
There's very little dialogue. It would says "Strider told them he was leaving" or "The elves held a funeral". Mostly events/happenings described.
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u/Faoxie 16d ago
The purpose of the Bechdel test is to show the lack of women diversity, not to see if each movie is bad or sexist. Even if they don't talk to each others, all the important females characters was written as a person with a personality more than "she's a GIRL".
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u/freeman731 17d ago
But are extra’s full blown characters? Did the little girl even have a name?
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u/tacotuesdaytaxpayer 17d ago
Freda. When the convoy arrives at Helms Deep, the girl and mother are reunited. Éothain was the boys name. I couldn't find the mother's name.
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u/Llttlestitious 17d ago
Morwen is the mothers’ name, although she is strictly a movie character. The name was probably taken from the Tolkien character Morwen the wife of Hurin.
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u/Brimwandil 16d ago
The name means "dark(-haired) maiden" in Sindarin. It was the name of Húrin's mother in The Silmarillion, as well as of Théoden's mother, "Morwen Steelsheen", who was from Lossarnach in Gondor.
There is also a word morwen, which means "morning" in Middle English (from Old English morgen). However, it is a masculine noun.
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u/DeezRodenutz 16d ago
It's a Tolkien story, of course they do, probably with a long multigenerational backstory.
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u/Anonymous_Stork 16d ago
Yeah they have their own language, close to classic Rohanite but with very specific twitches from their region (South West of the Stones)
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u/risen_peanutbutter Ent 17d ago
Just googled it, the girl is named Freda and her brother is Éothain. Not full blown characters though.
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u/SuperEnthusiastic 16d ago
Do they count as characters though? Like they aren't very significant in the story.
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u/please_be-gentle 16d ago
The fact that everyone is scraping the bottom of the barrel being like "this unnamed female character grunted at another" pretty much proves their point
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u/Analytical_Chemist 16d ago
Tolkein wrote more about men because he has real-life experience as a man in all the situations of the lead make characters. Though there are few women he does write stories for, he puts every woman in his works on a pedestal, and people are upset because they didn't all become friends?
Why does Galadriel ever need to chill with Eowyn? The lady of light also spends time with Arwen off screen, and it's explained they spent time together in the books.
Also look at it this way; Galadriel stood toe to toe with Sauron and won, saving the rest of the white council in the process. My girl does not need a man to make her a badass, she makes men badass by simply being in her presence.
That's for coming to my Ted talk. You can get refunds for your tickets in the lobby.
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u/United_Federation 16d ago
I feel like if he did write more women it would end up too much /r/menwritingwomen and maybe he knew what his strengths were and stuck too em and just made the women he did write.. just... Just the best.
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u/ManfromBrum6 16d ago
Their names are Morwen and Freda, the son is named Éothain.
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u/mxermadman 16d ago
Because of course Tolkien named these characters. He probably had their genealogies mapped out for twelve generations.
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u/No-Refrigerator174 16d ago
I spent two minutes scratching my head and came up with another one, when they reach Helms deep in movie two, a Rohan lady says something like "We made it my lady" to Eowyn