Sure you have the freedom to not get vaccinated. And businesses have the freedom to not allow you on their property or to utilize their services. And if enough people want it, the government has the freedom to enact laws mandating vaccines in order to use public services.
The flip side of freedom is responsibility, but you dummies always forget that. If you want to be part of society, you have to be part of society. Sometimes that includes doing things you don't want to do in order to promote the general welfare of the community. If you can't do that, you are free to remove yourself from society, go full no contact and try to survive alone in the wilderness.
If you're too stupid to get a safe, effective vaccine against the disease of a literal worldwide pandemic that people around the globe are literally dying for...
... you don't deserve freedom. You're too god damn stupid for the privilege.
Listen. Just because there’s over 300 million people in this country and 4.7 billion worldwide that have been safely vaccinated with no observable long term effects doesn’t mean it’s safe.
These people obviously need the “clinical trial” (of which exactly zero vaccines have had 300+ million doses administered as a trial) to be completed before they’ll determine that it’s safe.
I mean, have you ever Googled? 15 minutes of Googling is obviously equal to or greater than 20+ years of medical research.
Really? Because the person you responded to had posted a link showing that 357 million or so doses had been administered and then you said they were 100 million off. So what you're saying doesn't make sense at all. If it are using CDC numbers, then 357 million doses or so have been administered.
Do you have a link to a source supporting your number?
Google they show the source is "our world in data" less than 200 million, even counting thise with just one dose. Off by more than 100 million. It's ok you were closer to the truth than Joe :)
You ready for round 3 of this effective safe vaccine that's not FDA approved? You're so confident in bashing people that want liability and actual proof it'll be effective over time.
Pfizer, J&J, Moderna have had major legal lawsuit loses in recent history. The EUA of these vaccines means there's no legal recourse if someone wants to sue, they're SOL.
My last point is that doctors/scientist can't prove immunity is stronger from a vaccine than through infection. How many do you think already got Covid?
These aren't even the same category. One is FOOD and the other is a DRUG. Supplements aren't drugs either. No one's forcing food and supplements, or talks of FOOD/SUPPLEMENT passports.
No one is forcing the vaccine. If you want to do certain things you either choose to get the vaccine or you don't it's still a choice. Vaccine cards are there as a social obligation to show you rightfully have full access to certain buildings and events just like a driver's license is to show you can rightfully drive or a passport to show you can rightfully travel.
Same thing I tell my children... Everything you do has a consequence. Good or bad it's a consequence but it is still your choice.
Edit... BTW ... Yes formula is a food not approved by the FDA but what do you think the F stands for?
Funny how much trust goes into drug makers & government to the point any logic or skepticism is the latest victim of cancel culture. Everyone's memory is so short. Go read up on CIA history, big pharma malpractice. Lawsuit commercials on 2-5 year old drugs seem relevant, but you'll be SOL this time. Read up on scientific research with covid mutation resistance towards vaccines. Take a look at how many congressman are invested heavy in big pharma.
There's a whole demographic of people who are healthy that's already been exposed to covid walking around with antibodies/immunity that society seems intent on cancelling because they don't need/want a shot.
Most working Americans need a job. What about those being forced to get a vaccine or be fired? If the drug makers get immunity from legal recourse it seems incredibly unfair. Especially for an uncertain future in the efficacy of the current vaccines. Hints, round 3 coming soon. Lambda won't care if you're vaccinated.
So you're telling me not to trust the government ( I'm not a US citizen by the way) but this all started with the vaccine not being FDA approved? So do I trust government institutions or not? I mean if the main argument is you would feel more comfortable with FDA approval then your argument about not trusting the government doesn't work.
Can't have it both ways.
As for research. Unless you are yourself doctor or scientist that actually designs , works with and tests medications then any research you can do is bullshit. I'm gonna trust the thousands of scientists who have worked 20+ years on mRNA vaccinations over any YouTuber or blogger.
Liability is the main issue. Yes, I can ask the government to force liability if they insist on me putting something in my body. Second is limiting freedom of choice when a job is on the line. Scientist can be bought. That's what most big pharma lawsuits are in regards to.
I don't take drugs, so I couldn't give AF what they're pushing. I don't need or want it until they stand behind it.
Again. No one is forcing you to put it in your body. Your body your choice but you also have to live with the repercussions.
Anyone can be bought. I know that. As I said though I am not a US citizen. Europe has some of the strictest drug laws in country. Would I trust the government of the US .... Fuck no. That country is shady as shit and as untrustworthy as a guy selling fish out of the back of his pinto on the street corner.
There are world governments I will trust though. Those that have consistently looked out for and supported all their citizens and not just the elite.
Why in the unholy ass crackers would anyone want to get sick for immunity when you can leverage your immune system with a vaccine and get immunity without getting sick?
Well I had covid and it was less of a thing than my partner who got the va. So I have no reason to, no benefit, just risk, and I know multiple people who have had a bad rxn to it.
That's not reality for most of us. There wasn't a vaccine the first time I got it. I didn't even get sick the second time. If you have yet to get covid, go get the shot. I agree, it'll be less to deal with.
"How long does immunity last from being infected? From vaccination?
Immunity from natural infection starts to decline after 6 to 8 months. We know that fully vaccinated people still have good immunity after a year—and probably longer."
So, the drug pushers are going to have to redact this statement when a 3rd shot is needed before 1 year of initial vaccination. The whole problem is they can't admit they're still trying to figure it out.
The referenced article is more of a recorded interview with no siting or sources to back up statements. Actual research on the subjects we're discussing are few and far between accessible and for good reason. The research won't support the narrative.
You mean it doesn't support YOUR narrative. Which is garbage.
Sure, the information we have now might be wrong. And it might change. In fact, I can almost promise it will change. Because that is how science works. You test and you test and you test and you change your stance based on the latest and best information available.
You seem to think this is a bad thing. WAY too many people think this is a bad thing, but everyone should be able to adjust their opinions and stances based on new and updated information.
The "pandemic" is a bad thing. Congress investing their personal money (millions) in drug companies then pushing the vax of said companies on their constituents is conflict of interest. The transfer of wealth doesn't stop there. At the same time drug makers have no liability. Your article opinion piece is lacking research on the body's continued ability to naturally create sufficient antibodies after multiple/several vaccinations. Similar to the end result of over-prescribed antibiotics. There's research out there that isn't favorable to THE NARRATIVE.
When you say information we have right now might be wrong and there's an almost certainty things will change in the approach over time just solidifies reasons for some who've already had the virus (at least) once to wait awhile. You don't even acknowledge the statistics and studies are specific to pushing a narrative while totally disregarding natural immunity is
sufficient for healthy people. But my approach is garbage? LMAO
THIS ISN'T AN ALL OR NOTHING SITUATION. NFL IS A WOKE JOKE ANYWAY.
People seem to forget that the CDC was behind testing syphilis on black people and J&J knowingly sold cancerous baby powder. But sure… let’s trust these shitty companies and organizations.
Love Sublime. One of the best bands of all time. Doesn’t absolve you of the damage you and your conspiracy ilk are doing right now. Not just with covid either. Modern conspiracy theories are not just sewing circles about little green men like they used to be. They are caustic and breaking down institutions that we need to survive as a society.
I know it makes you feel special. You think you are “onto something.” Ahead of the curve. In the know.
It’s just a coping mechanism man. We all have gaps to fill in our lives. Fill it with something healthier than conspiracy theories. Get your shot.
From the bloody case: "this court holds that as to an adult residing in the community, and a fit subject of vaccination, the statute is not invalid as in derogation of any of the rights of such person under the Fourteenth Amendment."
Hell yeah brother! It’s my right to drive on the wrong side of the road in the name of freedom! After all, I personally have never been adversely affected by it
I agree. But I suspect that you were being a tad facetious. But honestly, freedom? It’s a ridiculous concept only backed up in reality by nation states. No such thing as natural rights, or any nonsense like that. So we have nations that help us secure liberties. I can dig that. But sometimes freedom also means responsible behavior.
And I would rather live without the kind of freedom that some people advocate for, the kind that says “fuck you, I’ll do what I want!”
I genuinely don’t understand how we got to the point where people actually believe that freedom means to do whatever the fuck you want without consequences.
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u/nkfallout 24d ago
Yea! Fuck Freedom!