r/news Dec 03 '21 Silver 17 Helpful 16 Wholesome 7 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Lawyer Up 1

Police are searching for Michigan school shooting suspect's parents

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/oxford-school-shooting-michigan-12-03-21/index.html
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u/TimeMachineToaster Dec 04 '21

That stupid mother wrote a blog post letter to Trump whining that it's not fair poor people can get tablets for school but their kid could not.

Except they could afford to buy him a fucking pistol. What a brilliant decision, weaponry over education. /s

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u/swordmagic Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

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u/Mafsto Dec 04 '21

Hah. Where are they going to go on 4K? Who is going to harbor them?

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u/Attila226 Dec 04 '21

They are going to buy their own island in the Pacific.

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u/FiveUpsideDown Dec 04 '21

The father was in arrears on child support but he had $4,000 in bank and enough money to buy his son a gun. They also own a 2021 Kia.

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u/Wizard_of_Wake Dec 04 '21

We already know he's a shit parent.

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u/KittensofDestruction Dec 04 '21 Got the W

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u/porgy_tirebiter Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

Well that didn’t take long. Were they planning on hiding in an abandoned building? With their car nearby? That was the plan?

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u/w3are138 Dec 04 '21

I’m so glad they’re being charged. They literally sent their son back to class with a loaded gun in his backpack.

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u/Beasley101 Dec 04 '21

I had no idea someone could get $4000 from an ATM in one day. My bank limits it to $500 per day.

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u/doubledipinyou Dec 04 '21

Chase ATMs within the back have like a 10k limit.

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u/TinyGoldCharm Dec 03 '21 Silver Helpful

I doubt they'll stay missing for long. Not easy to disappear in today's world, and something tells me they don't have the intelligence to make it happen.

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u/Ironfox2151 Dec 03 '21

I was going to say Brian Laundrie did, but then again he offed himself shortly after, easy to hide when your dead and don't need food or water.

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u/NeoKnife Dec 03 '21

And yet they STILL found him. Which is kind if impressive in and of itself.

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u/UrMomsaHoeHoeHoe Dec 04 '21 Silver Helpful Narwhal Salute

Dude is 0-2 for killing and hiding the body…

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u/Restless_Fillmore Dec 04 '21

Third time's a charm!

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u/duddyface Dec 04 '21

I mean, they found him exactly where his parents thought he was … that area was just inaccessible for most of the search.

It’s not like he was in some mysterious location they’d never expect.

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u/NightsterBA Dec 03 '21

They definitely don’t have the intelligence

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u/T-CLAVDIVS-CAESAR Dec 04 '21

Uhh hypothetically what would one do if they think they’ve seen these people?

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u/thatguygreg Dec 04 '21 Helpful Wholesome

From the US Marshalls wanted poster:

TIPS MAY BE REPORTED 24/7 TO: 313-202-6458

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u/LeftWingScot Dec 04 '21

Call the Sheriff’s Office at (248) 858-4911.

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u/bozon92 Dec 03 '21

This feels a bit different.

Back when Columbine happened I seem to remember the parents of the shooters were just as shocked and devastated as the rest of the world.

Now this…

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u/Folksma Dec 03 '21

Still feel weird about how Cruzs brother seems to have "stood by him" after Parkland

From what I have read/seen, the one mother from Columbine has decided her life to trying to stop it from happening again and anytime she speaks in public apologizes for any hurt her son has caused.

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u/Darko33 Dec 03 '21

Sue Klebold. She wrote a memoir about Columbine a few years back and donated all the profits to mental health charities.

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u/Ibelieveinphysics Dec 03 '21

It's a pretty good book. My heart really went out to her.

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u/Darko33 Dec 03 '21 Take My Energy

On my list! Along with more than 100 others.. I have that dysfunction where I keep buying new books despite having plenty to read

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u/Wombatmobile Dec 03 '21 Silver Gold Heartwarming

There's a term for this in Japanese: tsundoku (積ん読).

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u/Darko33 Dec 04 '21

That so perfectly describes it. Thx

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u/runningkillskatie Dec 03 '21

She did an incredible TED talk as well.

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u/TrailMomKat Dec 04 '21

That is a brave fucking woman. Really really really brave. I don't know if I'd kill myself after hearing my child did that, or move, change my name, and hide. Holy fucking Jesus fucking Christ. As a mom of 3 boys, I don't even want to imagine.

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u/needless_booty Dec 03 '21

That book broke my heart

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u/Calan_adan Dec 04 '21

I think if your child ended up being a mass murderer like this, your feelings toward them would be influenced by whether they survived the act or not. In my mind it’d be easier to identify with the victims and their families if your child/sibling was also dead. There’d be some modicum of closure. “The son I knew and loved died that day also,” kind of thing. If they survived and were still around - even in jail - they’d still be an active influence of some sort in your life. I don’t know. Im just trying to think how I’d react if I’d found out that one of my children was a murderer. I mean on one hand they’d have committed heinous crimes, but on the other hand they’d still physically be the same person who I deeply love(d). Does that love ever actually end completely? I don’t know.

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u/warmechanic Dec 04 '21

I didn't see it as his brother standing by him. From what I know, they weren't very close and he felt responsible that he wasn't more active in his brothers life. In the police interrogation video, he was absolutely crushed and shocked. I think he was trying to keep his brother from killing himself in prison.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21

I still remember getting called to the school auditorium the morning after the Columbine shooting, and listening to various faculty speaking about what happened and how it's okay to reach out if you're struggling. I know school shootings and bombings didn't start with Columbine, but that was my first eye-opener as a child and it really does feel like it's been a downward spiral since.

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u/surfnsound Dec 04 '21

I remember getting called to the school auditorium the day after and thinking "Why would you gather the entire school in one place?"

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u/AshRT Dec 04 '21

I remember asking this exactly of my high school band teacher and he was basically like, “that’s what we’ve (the teachers) have been asking.” And I’m like, well that’s pretty disconcerting.

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u/Saito1337 Dec 03 '21

This seems like they armed the kid specifically to do this.

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u/bozon92 Dec 03 '21

Feels like we’ve hit a new low of depravity

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u/blumpkinmania Dec 03 '21

Not to quibble but Sandy Hook and a classroom full of 6 year olds and their teachers so badly shot up they had to have closed caskets.

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u/GoodQueenFluffenChop Dec 03 '21

It really does seem that while the father bought the gun he bought it for his son because he legally couldn't buy his own yet.

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u/hartemis Dec 04 '21

Someone else posted the link, but the gun was bought as a gift for the son. The mom even posted on Facebook about the “Xmas gift.”

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u/creosoteflower Dec 04 '21

I'm starting to think that angsty teenage boys should not get guns as gifts.

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u/_Pliny_ Dec 03 '21

I remember when that Columbine happened and it seemed like such a big deal. Then another happened, and another, and another. I guess it wasn't a big deal in the end, sadly.

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u/Balls_of_Adamanthium Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

They really thought texting “don’t do it” after the fact would absolve them of responsibility. Pathetic attempt; now they’re bailing on their kid.

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u/illstealurcandy Dec 03 '21

If anything it admits more fault. If they could immediately suspect it was their son, why couldn't they take preventative measures beforehand?

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u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach Dec 03 '21

It’s so much worse than that. Somehow this story keeps getting worse.

On the morning of the Nov. 30 shooting, the suspect’s parents were urgently called to Oxford High School after one of his teachers found an alarming note he had drawn, scrawled with images of a gun, a person who had been shot, a laughing emoji and the words, “Blood everywhere,” and, “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/us/crumbley-parents-charged-michigan-shooting.html

The parents refused to take him home and didn’t verify where the brand new firearm was until way after the shooting. This is why they’re being charged.

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u/Morgrid Dec 03 '21 Silver

Hooooly shit

And to think I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

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u/TheAssyrianAtheist Dec 04 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome

Oh it’s worse than just that… from the article (it’s a bit long)

  • Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley's father, James Crumbley, *purchased a gun with his son present. *
  • On or about Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley posted photos of a semi-automatic gun on social media with a caption: “Just got my new beauty today. SIG SAUER 9mm.”
  • On or about Nov. 27: Jennifer Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's mother, made a social media post that read, “mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present.”
  • Nov. 29: A teacher at Oxford High School observed Ethan searching for ammunition on his phone and reported that information to school officials. His parents did not reply when the school attempted to contact them. Later, Jennifer Crumbley exchanged texts with Ethan stating, “LOL I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.”
  • Nov. 30: On the morning of the shooting, Ethan’s teacher came across a note that “alarmed her to the point that she took a picture of it on her cell phone.” The note contained “a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words ‘the thoughts won’t stop. help me.’" Also included in the note was a drawing of a bullet with “blood everywhere” written above it. Between the gun and the bullet is a drawing of a person who appears to have been shot twice and bleeding with a laughing emoji under it. The note also has “my life is useless” and “the world is dead” scrawled on it.

The parents were “immediately summoned to the school." A school counselor removed Ethan from class with his backpack and obtained the note, but the drawings of the gun, bloody figure and writings were all “altered.” At the meeting with school officials, his parents were shown the drawing and were told they had to submit their son to counseling within 48 hours. His parents did not ask the whereabouts of the gun and did not to inspect his backpack for the gun which he had with him, according to McDonald. His parents “resisted” the idea of taking Ethan out of school and left without him.

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u/Deadman_Wonderland Dec 04 '21

Oh its even worse then that. After news of a ongoing shooting at the highschool, with no mention of the suspect, broke across multiple media, the 1st thing his father did was drive home to look for the gun. He knew his kid was messed up in the head still bought him a semi auto.

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u/bfandreas Dec 04 '21 Silver

So I was not the only one flabberghasted. Yeah, there is a lot of culpability here. I have a feeling the prosecution will throw the book at them, I understand why they ran but I don't understand what they were running to.

The excuse is cute. They ran for their own protection. Funny. They got a gun for the same reason.

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u/jrnurse13 Dec 04 '21

I was confused by this as well.

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u/Thankkratom Dec 04 '21

It’s crazy. I was searched at school for drugs or vapes countless times. They can search me, but if they suspect violence they’re gonna just let it go? We’re fucked.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Helpful Starry Bless Up

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u/fungi__cat Dec 04 '21

Great comment. Keep up the good work. We need more counselors and social workers in the world

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u/Leighton_Baines_Hair Dec 03 '21 Silver Gold Wholesome Take My Energy Party Train

You didn't do anything wrong. Giving people the benefit of the doubt is usually a good stance to take. Then when you are presented with new information, you change your mind. Simple as that.

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u/d01100100 Dec 03 '21

Society as a whole today would benefit more from people being able to admit they were wrong, or they have changed their minds in light of new information. Unfortunately that's not allowed, and people just double down even when wrong.

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u/1sttimeverbaldiarrhe Dec 04 '21

Being wrong is an uncomfortable emotion and our society does not teach our young humans how to deal with uncomfortable emotions. You can spot it very early in people with how they handle losing or failing at things as trivial as video games.

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u/beadhead44 Dec 03 '21

As the school felt he needed counseling within 48 hrs, the school should of demanded they take him home. And not allowed him to return until he was checked out. When my son was in middle school and skipped Spanish class and went to the store instead than returned with a box of hohos , I had to leave work and listen to the principal lecture him and than take him home. They threw out his HoHos and he was suspended for 3 days. I thought that was excessive and for some reason they really didn’t care what I thought. I guess times have changed.

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u/FastCar2467 Dec 03 '21

Yep, they messed up. I do the threat assessments for our elementary school, and we don’t let kids in crisis back into class. It’s either the parent takes them, the county crisis team takes them, or law enforcement. We have had to call child protective services to come get a child.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21

This is just baffling to me because you hear about schools overreacting to seemingly harmless behavior on one end of the spectrum, and then you have this. The kid literally asked for help… it sounds like a lot of people failed here.

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u/Nerdlinger Dec 03 '21

They threw out his HoHos

The fuck is wrong with those monsters?

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u/Hookherbackup Dec 03 '21

Did he straighten up after that? Serious question, I am wondering if this tactic of showing they were serious worked.

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u/JFeth Dec 03 '21

The fact that the school thought he was suicidal and the parents didn't mention he had access to a gun says a lot about their character. They didn't care about his well being and now that it affects them they run.

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u/TheLurkingMenace Dec 03 '21

Alternatively, they knew he wasn't suicidal.

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u/lavendiere Dec 03 '21

He was the other cidal

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u/Fourbits Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 05 '21 Silver Wholesome

Mmm, apple cidal.

|EDIT| Thanks for the awards, kind strangers!

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u/rabidstoat Dec 03 '21

I wonder if the mom worried he'd kill himself at the end, like so many shooters do.

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u/quietdisaster Dec 03 '21

This is the most telling to me. If my son were in an active shooter situation, my text would be, "Are you OK? Can I get to you? I love you!! Please respond!!"... Not, "don't do it". Ether way, she knew it was him. Fuck that noise.

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u/middwayer8 Dec 03 '21

Yep. I have a hard time believing that after that school meeting they didn’t think to look for the gun either in his backpack or at home. Either they are incredibly stupid or just didnt give a shit.

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u/frugal_masturbater Dec 04 '21

"They can't tell us what to do" is the motto.

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u/SchpartyOn Dec 03 '21

Yeah it's very telling that when they heard there was a shooting at the school they knew it was their son. They chose not to stop it from happening.

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u/explodedbagel Dec 03 '21

Damn I hadn’t connected that concept to her post shooting text and that’s absolutely a real possibility.

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u/Low_Ad_231 Dec 03 '21

You know, I think that was all she meant with that text. Not a damn ounce of concern for anyone else.

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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

On MSNBC they said that the FBI are looking for them as well.

Their son is in prison for murdering 4 classmates and wounding others, and they might have fled? Just leaving him to face this all by himself?

Edit: US Marshalls are after them too, and their lawyer said that he isn't able to contact them.

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u/Balls_of_Adamanthium Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

Yeah they’re fucked. Won’t be long until they turn themselves in or found.

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u/landob Dec 03 '21 Silver

Maybe they went to the same vacation spot as Brian Laundrie.

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u/UTDoctor Dec 03 '21

Is it nice in the swamps this time of year?

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u/Noble_Tiger Dec 03 '21

Actually is. Weather in Florida has finally cooled into the 70s

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u/Bigred2989- Dec 03 '21

Can confirm. 'Glades in the winter are beautiful. Gators are hunkered down in the mud trying to stay warm, though.

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u/Noble_Tiger Dec 03 '21

Mind the iguanas falling out of trees as well

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u/SheriffComey Dec 03 '21

Been too warm for that lately, at least in S. Florida.

Now January or February is iguana falling season

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u/Devium92 Dec 04 '21

I know this is all true and actually happens but it reads like some article out of The Onion or something.

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u/HeyImGilly Dec 03 '21

From some of the things I’ve read about these folks, this may end in a shootout.

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u/Helphaer Dec 03 '21

The lawyer not being able to contact them makes this seem less like a mistake or mix up and more like a panicked attempt to flee crimes they didn't expect to have to argue in court.

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u/Chroxinabox Dec 04 '21

Yeah I think their plan wasn’t to flee, but then they heard the charges against them and took tf off

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u/jscum69 Dec 03 '21

Guess we know now why the kid is so fucked up.

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u/HeyFrogMan Dec 04 '21

Yep, can’t imagine the defense not using this

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u/finemustard Dec 04 '21

That would be some serious 4-D chess thinking on the parents' part.

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u/SofieTerleska Dec 03 '21

What a shit thing to do to your kid, no matter how awful he is.

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u/PointOfFingers Dec 03 '21

When you look at the events the morning of the shooting the parents appear to be almost completely to blame for the shooting. They saw the clear evidence that he was unstable and fantasized about shooting people and they denied it and went home and left their kid at school WITH HIS GUN.

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u/butthole_bomber Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

The news report I read said that after their in-school meeting that morning, (E: and then after reports of shots fired at the school) the parents went home to look for the gun. They couldn't locate it, and the mom texted suspect, "Don't do it". Fuck them.

Edit Source: https://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2021/12/03/charging-decision-due-for-parents-in-oxford-high-shooting/

Edit 2: These facts are also expressed in the OP article if you scroll down far enough.

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u/Flatline2962 Dec 03 '21

The news report I read said that after their in-school meeting that morning, the parents went home to look for the gun. They couldn't locate it, and the mom texted suspect, "Don't do it". Fuck them.

Timing's off on that from what I saw. The text message and the search for the gun happened *after* the shooting was publicly reported. They just didn't' give a shit and judging by their social media I'm sure at least mommy felt she was stigginit to the school.

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u/Blaine-Time Dec 03 '21

Mom literally wrote a “thank you for protecting our gun rights” post to 45 some time ago, and told the shooter that he has to “hide it better lol” when informed that he was buying bullets during school.

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u/paracelsus53 Dec 03 '21

These people need to go to prison.

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u/Rizzpooch Dec 04 '21

Working on it

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u/SirSnickety Dec 03 '21

Nope. They started looking for the gun after there were reports of shots fired. It took them another 15 minutes after realizing the gun was gone to call the cops.

I'm fully on board with locking these delinquents up.

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u/Great_cReddit Dec 03 '21

Well according to the news they pretty much didn't give two shits about their son so it doesn't surprise me. A y responsible parent wouldn't allow their kid to have a handgun in the first place but it's compounded by the fact that shortly after getting the gun drawings were found of him killing somebody. So if they actually cared about their son they would have addressed the issue then and there. They are monsters are every bit as culpable as he was.

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u/gentlybeepingheart Dec 03 '21

The mother texted the son when he was caught buying ammo in class that she wasn’t mad at him and to make sure he didn’t get caught next time. They’re fucked.

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u/Morak73 Dec 03 '21

Clearly she's living out her advice to her son.

"Don't get caught!"

Hopefully the Judge takes this into consideration for the upcoming bail hearing when they are brought it.

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u/Zerowantuthri Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Helpful Narwhal Salute

You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish! But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

~Keanu Reeves as Tod in the movie "Parenthood"

Edit to add: Here is the scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFaUX9ZbyRM

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u/Kay_29 Dec 03 '21

According to an article that I saw, when the gun drawings were found, the parents were called to the school. They were told to get the son into therapy within 48 hours and they refused to take him home with them. The shooting happened that day.

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u/_side_eye_forever_ Dec 03 '21 Silver Gold

Live in Oakland County about 15-20 minutes from the high school, our kids were locked down the day of the shooting because our EMS/FD was sent up to help as we’re a responding department for Oxford. They’ve closed our district yesterday and today due to copycat threats and now they’re telling everyone around here if we see them to call 911 and not approach because they may be armed.

I can not underestimate how scary this is for our kids right now and I am so fucking angry that no one on Monday or Tuesday took any of this seriously. The shooter did multiple extremely concerning things and the school just let him stay there because the parents refused to take him home 2 hours before the shooting. And now they have the FBI, US Marshall’s, and county apprehension teams looking for them. The utter failure at so many levels to prevent this or at least try to stop it is unconscionable, I can’t even imagine what the parents of the victims are feeling right now.

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u/rabidstoat Dec 03 '21

You know your kid has access to a gun and is drawing pictures of dead bodies and bullets and guns with the words "I can't control these thoughts, help me" and you insist all is fine and he should stay in school? WTF?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 11 '21

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u/AcceptableGovernment Dec 03 '21

Supposedly the school didn’t even inform the sheriffs deputy at school serving as a school resource officer that day with any of this info . Infuriating

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u/Which-Decision Dec 03 '21

They could have even given him in school suspension or expelled him. I know that wouldn't have helped the situation much but atleast some effort into keeping other students safe and letting the kid see a counselor would have shown some level of concern from the school.

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u/FlintBlue Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Silver Gold Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Plus One

I’m going to put this on the parents. We ask the public schools to do so much: educate the kids, feed the kids, provide counseling and healthcare for the kids. We’ve made the schools by far our most numerous caregivers, and our largest (if combined) social service agency. Just the other day, my wife had to epipen a kid to prevent anaphylactic shock and possible death because taxpayers won’t pay for a school nurse but still expect ordinary staff to provide medical care. They encourage, cajole, sooth, inspire. They do all this while under innumerable legal obligations to accommodate every type of kid, with almost any type of disability — and they do it gladly. That’s what they want to do!

And then when school shootings become a problem (and school staff are often the victims) do we as a society take responsibility for our own kids by passing common sense gun regulations to keep high-powered weapons out of the hands of children? No, we do not. We expect schools to be police detectives, instead. Actually, more: we expect school personnel to detect and prevent violence before it occurs. Which they mostly do! And they do it while respecting the myriad legal rights of the children and parents. Yesterday my wife fielded dozens of calls and contacts from terrified parents and children, while other personnel, along with police, ran down literally hundreds of threats or rumors of threats. When she arrived home, she looked and felt like she’d been in a war.

It’s not the schools that suck. We’ve placed almost all of society’s problems on their doorstep, and they’re doing their best. It’s the broader society that’s sick and getting sicker.

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u/Sodontellscotty Dec 04 '21

The teachers did the right thing here, and hats off to them for catching something that very easily could have been overlooked. My eyebrows are raised at the administration who met with this kid and the parents, told them they had 48 hours to get him in counseling, and then let him go back to class when the parents refused to take him home. That would have been a good time to alert law enforcement about what was going on.

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u/Dwychwder Dec 03 '21

Could you imagine being the parent of one of the victims, and seeing these absolute cowards fleeing while their son rots in jail for killing your son/daughter? Cowardice.

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u/rabidstoat Dec 03 '21

And seeing all the egregious warning signs that were out there and ignored?

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u/Miami_Vice-Grip Dec 03 '21

I heard there were some parents that kept their kids out that day because of threats they thought were credible enough to act on, on their own.

I just really hope that none of the victims' parents got a similar warning and ignored it. Even the ones who didn't perish or get injured are likely traumatized for life

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u/TyroneLeinster Dec 03 '21

Man that school is gonna get sued into the dark ages

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u/OdinTheHugger Dec 04 '21

FR.

If there were threats, and those threats were credible, but were ignored...

AND then this shit happens??

This is the worst case scenario for the entire school board and anyone that knew about the threat.

They could personally be liable for civil damages, on top of the school's liability.

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u/JuicyJay18 Dec 04 '21

Allowing the kid to return to class after the notes and pictures that he drew should be enough to hold members of the school liable for some form of negligence. Even if the parents said they didn’t want to take him home, the school should’ve put their foot down and said he had to be removed or at least had his belongings searched.

There are so many things that could’ve happened to prevent this, and not one of the people that could’ve stopped it made the right decision. It’s sad and infuriating.

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u/khyrian Dec 04 '21

It sounds like the teacher was the only one in the organization that did due diligence.

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u/AhabFlanders Dec 04 '21

Two teachers. He was reported by two teachers in two days and they still sent him back to class

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u/FranklinFox Dec 04 '21

Jesus christ

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u/JuicyJay18 Dec 04 '21

True, she did her part and said something when she noticed it. It’s a shame the people above her didn’t handle it properly.

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u/B00STERGOLD Dec 04 '21

I haven't really thought about it, but that kid probably spent the last 18 months on lockdown with his parents. Think of all the shit that's went down in that timeframe with those two being the only filter.

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u/seductive_error Dec 04 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

I think this is it. Eli Crumbley (Ethan's half brother) moved away due to interpersonal conflicts with the step-mom. From her blog posts, she seems like a nutjob.

He recently put out a statement saying Ethan was a normal, happy kid and showed no signs of abuse, bullying, or depression. Of course, this is based on his time living with his dad, step mom, and brother. Not sure how privvy Eli was to Ethan's social media presence, or how much he kept in contact with him post-move.

I'm suspecting the parents are abusive, manipulative trowels of society and sparked a psychotic/terrorist initiative in their son. If he was being bullied, they for sure weren't listening.

You don't just go from happy, minecraft loving kid with good grades to wanting to gun down your classmates and slaughter pigs without something putting pressure on your mental health. Sure, people get psychotic breaks suddenly but it's always a culmination of environmental factors that leads to the big event.

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u/Runkleford Dec 03 '21

I was worried these people would get a slap on the wrist for their part in this shooting. Now that they're actively on the run from the law, they're making things worse for themselves and I'm sort of glad for that.

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u/Black-Thirteen Dec 03 '21

Dig! Dig! Keep going till you've made a nice, deep pit for yourselves!

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

I'm pretty sure the last thing I ever want to hear in the news is that the FBI AND the US Marshalls are after me. They are well and truly fucked, and I will sleep comfortably knowing this.

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u/Wolverienstein Dec 03 '21 Wholesome Starry Evil Cackle

The shit apple doesn't fall far from the shit tree.

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u/unusedusername42 Dec 03 '21 Gold

Birds of a shit feather flock together, Randy.

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u/shotgun_shaun Dec 03 '21

They're takin' the shit tornado right back to Oz.

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u/Huge-Enthusiasm-99 Dec 04 '21

Shit tectonics - do you know what happens when two shit plates collide? Shitquake

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u/GusAvocados Dec 03 '21

Well, what comes around is all around, Lahey.

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u/TheTrub Dec 03 '21

They're clinging to a shitrope going out on the lam like that. A shitrope is a rope, covered with shit, that criminals try to hold onto. The shit kinda acts like grease: the harder you try climb up, the tighter you try to hold on, the faster you slide down. All the way to jail...

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u/DeificClusterfuck Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Silver

These people are running from the law when their 15 year old kid is sitting in jail for multiple murders that they helped him commit and were aware of the threat

They are the epitome of garbage human beings

Edit for all of you who swear these two are planning on self surrendering, here's the US Marshals Wanted poster with cash rewards for their capture. They don't do that if they think they're gonna cooperate

Wanted: two deplorables

Final edit: Crumbleys captured in basement

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u/greatunknownpub Dec 03 '21

This whole thing is just a terrible shitshow.

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u/DistortoiseLP Dec 03 '21

Honestly when's the last time you saw a story on this sub that didn't leave you with that conclusion?

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u/TetsuoNYouth Dec 03 '21 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy Faith In Humanity Restored Starry Ally Wholesome Seal of Approval This Take My Power Brighten My Day

Which is a fantastic reminder that there's absolutely nothing wrong with closing the browser occasionally and trying to just go enjoy your day without having to constantly process all of this awful shit. Take care of yourselves mentally people. Remain aware but don't panic and don't get burned out. There are other good people out there who are fighting the good fight with you.

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u/Jasond777 Dec 03 '21

Good advice. I needed to hear that

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u/R3dbeardLFC Dec 03 '21

This was me 100% all the time. People got sick of listening to me go on about it all. I've stopped posting on social media aside from trying to build up my local community.

If I can't fix the world, I'm gonna make my little corner of it as great as I can in my own way.

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u/Flora_Danica Dec 04 '21

“Think global, act local.”

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u/capitalsfan Dec 03 '21

The shit apple doesnt fall far from the shit tree.

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u/redditthrowaway2020_ Dec 03 '21

I 100% thought this would happen. I thought it was super sketchy they were zoomed into their sons court appearance on a cell phone, in a car, wearing hats and glasses (aka a disguise).

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u/Blue_Plastic_88 Dec 03 '21

Giving their jailed son one more look at them before they disappeared, maybe?

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u/entity_TF_spy Dec 03 '21

Tomorrow’s headline “school shooting suspects parents say they feel ‘demonized’ by the media”

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u/Lordkillz Dec 03 '21 Gold hehehehe

Damn both parents went to get some milk

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u/newleafkratom Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 04 '21 Helpful

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2021/12/03/oakland-county-fugitive-team-searching-parents-jennifer-james-crumbley-oxford-high-suspect/8855814002/

"...The prosecutor revealed that James, who - like his wife - had a prior
criminal history, bought the murder weapon from a retailer with his son
there on November 26."

Edit: the quote is from here - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10271865/Charging-decision-parents-Oxford-High-shooting.html

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u/noma_coma Dec 03 '21

So they bought the gun on 11/26 and only a few days later on 11/30 when most kids are getting back to school after their thanksgiving vacation hes shooting up the school. Fucking unbelievable. That kid literally could not wait to do what he did. Unconsciousable, inexcusable, and yet completely inescapable. fuck this cruel world sometimes

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u/Chiryder Dec 03 '21

So they raised a murderer...then picked up and ran? Wtf. Deuces we out. Good luck kid.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

My guess is: They turn themselves in before 5 pm. If they told their kid to plead the 5th not talk to police then I wouldn't assume they would flea and rack up more charges.

But, who knows? They are idiots.

Edit:

The Crumbleys, who were scheduled to be arraigned at 4 p.m. ET today, are considered fugitives, according to Oakland County undersheriff Michael McCabe.

Welp

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u/LastOfAutumn Dec 03 '21

I've seen smarter people do dumber things when they panic. What a couple of cowards.

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u/daveashaw Dec 03 '21

If they cross state lines as fugitives then they are guilty of a federal felony even if they beat the state manslaughter charges. I am starting to suspect that Mom & Dad may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer.

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u/FeelDeAssTyson Dec 03 '21

Somebody check New Mexico. They probably thought they fled the country.

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u/NightsterBA Dec 03 '21

Lol, starting. These people are pieces of shit

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u/americanadiandrew Dec 03 '21 Silver Take My Energy Take My Money

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u/Procean Dec 03 '21

Is this her real blog!?

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u/goodbyeadvice Dec 04 '21

Do yourself a favor (or maybe a disservice?) and read the whole thing. It's a doozy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '21

I'm not even shocked anymore, just fucking tired of these people.

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u/easlern Dec 04 '21

She was upset that she made too much to qualify for state aid. And so she voted for a Republican, please somebody make it make sense

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u/Viper1089 Dec 03 '21

Yikes... you weren't kidding... that was- uh.. that was a hard read, all things considered. What a piece of shit.

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u/chiquitadave Dec 03 '21

I know the main focus of this letter is elsewhere, but I just want to shine a light on this snippet:

I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.

failed step 1

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u/AskJayce Dec 04 '21

So she drove around, uninsured, so that she can send her kid to a higher education system that she and her husband likely does not like?

Christ, these people have such weird ethos.

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u/WINTERMUTE-_- Dec 04 '21

And they drive a 2021 model car. Yeah I'm sure they are so hard up it was either insurance or school.

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u/SquarePegRoundWorld Dec 04 '21

Which would be bought outright, nobody is gonna lease or accept payments without car insurance.

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u/oneplusandroidpie Dec 03 '21

Trash. Just trash. Put them both in prison to rot

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u/JonBonButtsniff Dec 03 '21

Thank you for posting that. I wish I hadn’t read that. Lol

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u/raw_dog_millionaire Dec 03 '21

This is pretty typical of the American right, at this point.

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u/Lazy-Mobile-1806 Dec 04 '21

What a terrible line, my jaw dropped when I read it in there.

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u/Hodor_The_Half-Wit Dec 04 '21

I live down the road from them. It's cliche, but it feels so FUCKING weird when it's happening in your town.

I hope these scumbags get caught, and subsequently rot.

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u/AvocadoVoodoo Dec 03 '21

Wow every time I check in this story gets wilder.

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u/StatusQuoBot Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21 This

I am so glad they charged the parents with manslaughter. I think this should become the default in cases where children acquire guns from irresponsible parents.

Fail to properly secure your deadly weapon?

Buy your mentally ill child a weapon and fail to respond to explicit threats of violence using said gun?

You should be held accountable for any and all crimes that occur as a result of that negligence.

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u/steve_gus Dec 03 '21 Helpful

These Crumbleys sound flakey to me

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u/ExOblivion Dec 04 '21

Pieces of shit that raised a piece of shit... The circle of shit.

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u/SolaVitae Dec 03 '21 Helpful

Man, just failures and scummage at every level possible

Kid has obvious mental issues, blatently begging for help gets ignored by parents and school board.

Parents buy their 15 year old a handgun for some reason. Could just buy an actual cheap hunting rifle, but nope, high quality name brand handgun for no discernable reason.

Parents literally abandon their child when he's facing life in prison or mental institute for crime they enabled him to commit.

15 year old tweets pictures of having a gun, school board to incompetent to look at his social media after threats are made.

Students staying home because they are worried something will happen, yet school administrators unaware somehow.

Kid commits felony making threats but for some reason police are not called at any point.

The school administrators are probably not legally, but just as at fault for this as the parents given how avoidable this was.

How many damn giant flashing warning signs until people take it seriously and call the police?

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u/BoldestKobold Dec 03 '21

Parents literally abandon their child when he's facing life in prison or mental institute for crime they enabled him to commit.

I have this sneaking suspicion that once the warrants are issued for their phone records, emails, etc (presumably under the idea of trying to locate them), the cops are going to find far worse stuff on them than just 'enabling'

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u/wulfpacker1 Dec 03 '21

Excellent summation of a cascading series of events that led to catastrophic failure.

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u/bb_cowgirl Dec 03 '21

They can buy that expensive ass gun but the dad won’t pay his back child support.

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u/Ironfox2151 Dec 03 '21

Don't forget him searching for ammo IN CLASS and getting in trouble for that and the mom responding with "lol, next time don't get caught".

Oh and the note, THAT DAY, that was depicting what he was going to do SHORTLY AFTER THE MEETING.

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u/ADarwinAward Dec 03 '21

I agree.

I got downvoted yesterday on this sub for suggesting 15 year olds shouldn’t have handguns. People defended it saying “they went hunting as kids.” Last I checked, we don’t use handguns for hunting.

The kid wouldn’t have been able to conceal a hunting rifle in a normal sized school backpack. Hunting rifles and handguns are not the same, and there’s no reason for minors to have handguns.

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u/strugglz Dec 03 '21

Oh that whole family is going to prison. Good.

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u/Black-Thirteen Dec 03 '21

They left town for their own safety, says their lawyer. Yuh huh. I'm sure they are completely surprised that they've been charged with manslaughter.

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u/DemonoftheWater Dec 03 '21

How is it not fleeing if they’re being searched for when they didn’t show up?

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u/Flustered-Flump Dec 04 '21

Parents should automatically be charged in this way for their children’s actions when they buy them guns or fail to secure them properly to avoid unauthorized access. This country is a mess.

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u/Trick-Many7744 Dec 04 '21

I’m not a parent. But whatever horrific shit my kid might do, I can’t imagine just booking out and leaving him. Parents love kids unconditionally no matter the crime. I would expect my kid held accountable to the extent of the law. But I’d be there because I’m his mom. This is fucked up.

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u/smoke1966 Dec 04 '21

well from their previous rants they won't be headed to Mexico..

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u/Pixel_Knight Dec 04 '21

They JUST caught them a few minutes ago!

Seems like they were definitely trying to run.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/oxford-school-shooting/sources-james-and-jennifer-crumbley-arrested-on-detroit-s-east-side

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u/Helenium_autumnale Dec 03 '21

That trashy couple in their greasy baseball caps, leering into the court Zoom the other day before cutting out of the call early. Abandoning their child now? What utterly worthless pieces of dogshit.

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u/Crazychill100 Dec 04 '21

I legitimately feel like reality itself has jumped the shark.

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u/voompanatos Dec 03 '21

"The Crumbleys left town on the night of the tragic shooting for their own safety. They are returning to the area to be arraigned. They are not fleeing from law enforcement despite recent comments in media reports," the attorneys added.

This family of gun fanatics is armed to the teeth, and yet the leave town at the first sign of impending negativity solely for "safety" reasons?

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u/amiatthetop3 Dec 04 '21

The stupid parents could've been arraigned and then released on bail. Now they'll have no bail so my guess is they are going to die by fury. What a fucked up family.

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u/redeye_deadeye2005 Dec 03 '21

What worthless pieces of shit to abandon their kid. That dynamic probably played into this.

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u/EvaOgg Dec 04 '21

Have I missed something? A 15 year old child murders 4 people and wounds more, and is taken in to custody, and his parents have fled? They have abandoned their own child? Something suggests that the parenting may have a lot to do with the murders, even if they hadn't bought the child a gun.

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u/Needlecrash Dec 04 '21

Your kid shoots up a school and you run away? Fucking pieces of shit.

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u/Livid_Low9645 Dec 03 '21

They went camping with the Laundries.

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u/Bjorn2bwilde24 Dec 03 '21

Better start checking all the swamps and parks in Florida

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