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Justice Stephen Breyer to retire from Supreme Court, paving way for Biden appointment

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/justice-stephen-breyer-retire-supreme-court-paving-way-biden-appointment-n1288042
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u/Point9RepeatedIs1 Jan 26 '22

If even one Democratic senator balks through midterms, we'll have only 8 Justices until the next Presidential election

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u/wayward_citizen Jan 26 '22

Can't imagine who would ever do that...

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u/blorpblorpbloop Jan 26 '22

It's going to be some bullshit like

"After much soul searching I've decided to switch parties. blah blah blah, haven't reflected my values...blah blah blah, etc"

Mark my words, their bullshit isn't over.

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u/thatstupidthing Jan 26 '22 Helpful Take My Energy

i dont see manchin switching parties. he would go from being the most influential senator to being the least overnight.

i have no idea what is going inside sinema's head (wallet?).

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u/yenom_esol Jan 26 '22

I try to look at each politician through the lens of what will serve their self interest which is usually the most accurate way to predict their actions. With Sinema, I have no fucking clue. In a purple state, she has totally alienated her party to the point the AZ democratic party has censured her. She can never shift right enough to win as a Republican. No amount of campaign donations and ad buys with that money can restore her reputation.

Why would she do that unless she's either mentally ill or bought off? When I say bought off, I'm talking actual bribes not campaign donations because again, I don't think 100 million in ad buys can salvage her reputation among the base in AZ.

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u/arstin Jan 26 '22

At the end of her term she will take a life time consulting "job" and never have to work or worry about money again. That is really the only way her behavior makes sense. Pretty much every politician is hated by at least half the country already, so throwing in the rest is a small price to pay for being set for life.

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u/Busy-Dig8619 Jan 26 '22

Why would she do that unless she's either mentally ill or bought off?

She thinks she's going to run for president.

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u/xenophonf Jan 26 '22

Or retire into some consultancy, which is my guess. She's acting like a short-timer.

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u/Busy-Dig8619 Jan 26 '22

First you run for president, then you negotiate your presenter contract.

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u/slim_scsi Jan 26 '22

The Tulsi Gabbard plan -- permanent conservative fixture and occasional freelance Fox News / et al gig.

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u/KapitanWalnut Jan 26 '22

Can you elaborate? I haven't paid attention to Gabbard since the primaries. What has she been up to?

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u/translove228 Jan 26 '22

Fox News will want to scoop her up.

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u/somethingbreadbears Jan 26 '22

She's not young enough or "Barbie" enough for Fox.

And she can't be their token democrat on panels, she's a white lady. The optics would be confusing for their viewers.

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u/translove228 Jan 26 '22

She's bisexual though, so she has the token minority angle to work. She could even do a Dave Rubin and create a brand where she's an ex-liberal pushed out by overly progressive progressives.

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u/Bones_IV Jan 26 '22

Yup. This thread from journalist Amy Siskind explains a lot via people close to Sinema-- https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1481731676669632516

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Jan 26 '22

Serious question, under what ticket?

It'll have to be the "democrats who don't read the news" ticket, and those folks don't vote in primaries.

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u/clinton-dix-pix Jan 26 '22

Unity ticket with Liz Cheney. Mark my words.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Jan 26 '22

No one would vote for them

Absolutely no one

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u/yenom_esol Jan 26 '22

Ok, so mentally ill then.

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u/Zardif Jan 26 '22

She has actually said to her friends that she is overqualified for the job of president.

https://www.businessinsider.com/arizona-senator-kyrsten-sinema-says-shes-overqualified-president-daily-beast-2021-10

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u/slim_scsi Jan 26 '22

The fact that she still has friends after 2021 is disappointing...

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u/mendicant1116 Jan 26 '22 Silver

Oh shit she's going to win

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u/ericscottf Jan 26 '22

Mtg has her beat

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u/SlabDabs Jan 26 '22

Can't help but to think Magic the Gathering every time. Though a deck of cards sitting at a podium would do a better job than her.

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u/OldBeercan Jan 26 '22

I haven't had a good cry/laugh in a while so thanks for that

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u/stifle_this Jan 26 '22

Yes. This is the answer. Story has been coming out the last few weeks.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/01/kyrsten-sinema-planning-run-president-2024/

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u/spartagnann Jan 26 '22

She's incredibly high on her own supply. It doesn't appear that she sees her senate seat as just a stepping stone to something beyond it

Not long ago a reporter, I forget who, tweeted that they'd been in contact with some people in her circle and that basically she has a super inflated sense of self importance and a huge ego. She apparently thinks by doing what she's doing she's the same type of maverick as McCain (lol) and that she plans to run for president. If that's true she's fucking delusional.

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u/snootyvillager Jan 26 '22

Very delusional. Democrats fucking hate her now and Republicans aren't going to vote for her even if she switches parties. She isn't getting elected president. She likely isn't even getting elected Senator again.

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u/yeahright17 Jan 26 '22

She may cost dems the seat if she runs as an independent as well. Could definitely see the Republican nominee winning like 44-40-16.

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u/Donny-Moscow Jan 26 '22

It’s possible but I doubt it. Right now, her approval ratings among Arizona democrats is 8% favorable (80% unfavorable, 11% unsure). She’s also made an effort to put herself in the public eye while doing the exact things that tanked her approval rating. With her approval so low, fundraising is going to be a huge roadblock for her to overcome.

It’s not impossible for her to steal a couple votes, but it would take a hell of a campaign strategy for her to gain any significant traction.

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u/Tostino Jan 26 '22

She'll have Republicans fund raising for her if she went as an independent at the drop of a hat.

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u/BellEpoch Jan 26 '22

Where would her support come from? Even moderate Dems think she sucks. Republicans aren't flipping to vote for her.

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u/EddieHeadshot Jan 26 '22

Well delusional narcissists do like to make themselves the main character... infamy is fame enough for some.

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u/wayward_citizen Jan 26 '22

It honestly almost smells like just plain old blackmail.

Like, she could easily get some cushy corporate job without throwing her entire party and the US people under the bus if that's what she was angling for.

She's going to be unelectable after all this, in Arizona her approval rating is in the teens while the other Dem senator is doing fine, so it's not like there's a political benefit.

I can't think of anything else besides there's some really dirty backroom threats happening. Her campaign ads from when she was running for office are the complete opposite of her positions now, so it's not as if she can claim she doesn't support the stuff. It makes no sense.

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u/Atropos_Fool Jan 26 '22

I’ve responded on other threads that deal with Sinema, but I’ll say it here too. I used to know her pretty well about 10-15 years ago when she was a state senator. She only really cares about attention and power. She doesn’t care about republicans or democrats, and I would say that in her mind, her actions have propelled her from being a politician no one has heard of to the center of attention. I don’t think any blackmail is necessary.

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u/enoui Jan 26 '22

So narcissism.

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u/theoutlet Jan 26 '22

Sadly seems to be almost a prerequisite in politics

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u/_ChestHair_ Jan 26 '22

Something something those who want power probably shouldn't have it

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u/iamquitecertain Jan 26 '22

There was one time a few months ago where she was attending someone's wedding, and a group of protestors showed up to protest against her for holding her vote against the infrastructure bill. They were most definitely causing an uproar for that person's wedding because of Sinema, and you even had the bride's mom come out crying begging the protestors to at least stop for an hour so the ceremony could happen (which the protestors agreed to).

I say all that not criticize the protestors for interrupting the wedding, but to criticize Sinema. There was a moment where they were able to raise a camera over the fence to be able to record Sinema, and after her noticing the camera, she did a "cutesy" little wave at the camera. Meaning she was fully aware the protesters were there for her, knew they were ruining the wedding because of her, and yet she was treating the whole situation like a joke and clearly didn't care. Didn't care about the protestors, didn't care about the infrastructure bill, and apparently didn't even care about whoever's wedding she was at.

So when you say that she's doing all this for power and attention, it absolutely matches up with her response to that protest

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u/SickNameDude8 Jan 26 '22

Just wanna jump in and say the other senator, Mark Kelly, is pretty dope. Ex nasa Astronaut so you know he thinks things through

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u/lolofaf Jan 26 '22

Husband to ex-congresswoman Gabby Giffords who was shot 10-15 years ago in the head at a rally and survived (though a couple people at the rally with her did not). He's been an incredible loving husband in time of need ontop of all the amazing science him and his twin brother (Scott Kelly the astronaut who was on iss for 1year!) have done.

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u/limeybastard Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Wasn't even a rally! She did this thing called "Congress on Your Corner" where she would just go to places people go, and talk to anyone who walked up. The shooting happened outside a Fry's Safeway supermarket. She truly believed in representing her constituents.

Her successor was an aide who despite being shot at that event also, kept doing them.

Followed by Martha McSally (R), who despite touting her "bravery" as a combat pilot, refused to even do Town Halls in Tucson, and instead went to satellite retiree towns and required all questions to be vetted and pre-selected.

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u/azhillbilly Jan 26 '22

It was a Safeway. I was scheduled to be there 2 hours later but that didn't happen.

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u/DMala Jan 26 '22

I was going to correct you, but no, she was shot 10 years ago. Time is flying by at a terrifying pace.

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u/bassman1805 Jan 26 '22

Astronaut-politicians haven't always worked out well. Jack Schmidt was a geologist that walked on the moon, gained enough notoriety to be elected to Senate, and then just...didn't accomplish much and lost his first re-election bid.

He later went on to become a prominent detractor of human-driven global warming, speaking with such reputable news anchors as [checks notes] Alex Jones.

That said, it does at least indicate some level of competency at something that takes a ton of work to achieve. You won't see Greene climbing the ladder of the space program...

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u/DistortoiseLP Jan 26 '22

I try to look at each politician through the lens of what will serve their self interest which is usually the most accurate way to predict their actions. With Sinema, I have no fucking clue.

If you've ever worked with a moron that doesn't have a plan beyond tomorrow, then she isn't hard to figure out. At any given time she's served a path of least resistance by somebody else she's useful to and takes it. You're not obliged to believe she must have grander ideas of her own than that.

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u/PPQue6 Jan 26 '22

Also...as a US Rep she had a pretty conservative voting record. I don't know why anyone expected her to be a progressive when her voting record showed the complete opposite.

I understand Arizona voters feeling like they've been duped, but she showed everyone who she really was early on in her career.

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u/VoiceofReasonability Jan 26 '22

And what people I don't think realize about Manchin is that regardless of what you think of him I have no doubt he strongly identifies as a Democrat as his family has a long history of politics in West Virginia as Democrats. I honestly don't think he would be comfortable calling himself a Republican.

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u/KP_Wrath Jan 26 '22

Old South Democrat, maybe.

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u/Artanthos Jan 26 '22

Old South Democrats essentially held the values as Regan era Republicans.

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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum Jan 26 '22

Joe Manchin is essentially the last Dixiecrat. Ok with government spending, but not a fan of civil rights.

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u/TheTrub Jan 26 '22

Jack Donaghy: What are your politics?

Dennis Duffy: Social conservative, fiscal liberal.

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u/LayneLowe Jan 26 '22

I read this yesterday : a pro choice, bisexual woman would have no shot at election in the Arizona GOP.

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u/blindinganusofhope Jan 26 '22

She's already walked back all that shit in preparation for her joining the GOP

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u/LayneLowe Jan 26 '22

She would never get out of the primary.

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u/codeslave Jan 26 '22

I can't wait to see Sinema's spectacular wipe out when McConnell yanks the football away.

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u/Hormone_Monster69 Jan 26 '22

Wouldn't be surprised if she is suddenly "straight" now.

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u/Robzilla_the_turd Jan 26 '22

She prayed away the gay!

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u/NoodlesrTuff1256 Jan 26 '22

Yeah, watch her explain away her earlier self-identification as a bisexual as stemming from a youthful period of coming to know her inner self and 'experimentation' that has now ended with her deciding that her true sexual orientation is decidedly 'hetero'.

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul Jan 26 '22

Ahh the good 'ole days when we had only one Lieberman to deal with.

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u/EvergreenHulk Jan 26 '22

My greatest fear right now. That being said the party has been pretty united on Biden appointments so far. I’m cautiously optimistic.

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u/vicariouspastor Jan 26 '22

More specifically, the nominee is almost certainly going to be Ketanji Brown Jackson, who was just recently confirmed to the D.C. circuit, the stepping stone to a Supreme Court appointment. Manchin and Synema both voted for her (as did Collins and Murkowski).

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u/Snickersthecat Jan 26 '22

Judicial nominations (aside from SCOTUS) tend to fly under the radar. Manchin, Sinema, and even Graham are usually on board with them because no one pays attention. That's practically the only reason the Dems keep the former two around.

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u/ChiefEmann Jan 26 '22

You say keep them around like Dems aren't clinging to every seat they have.

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u/fzammetti Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Queue Lord Buckethead "It will be a shitshow" meme.

EDIT: cue, as someone pointed out... I hesitated when I wrote it, guess I should have hesitated a second longer

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u/IanMazgelis Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

I don't think anyone in the betting world is predicting a Blue Senate after the midterms. I think it should 100% be illegal for a party to block a justice on a partisan basis, and think it was extremely inappropriate and possibly treacherous of McConnell to do so last time, but outside of the "Should they would they" issue, the "Could they" is pretty clear. I just don't think it's likely at all to imagine the Democrats maintaining or increasing their seat count in the Senate at the time I'm typing this.

Whether we like it or not, Virginia was a strong, strong indicator of what November is going to look like. I expect a lot of Democrats to campaign on "We still hate Trump" and I expect a lot of Republicans to campaign under "This is what's happened since Biden got inaugurated." One of those strategies is going to be much, much more effective with voters, and picking the most effective messaging to win over political moderates, or even encouraging their own base to go vote, is something Democrats have absolutely never excelled in.

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u/elpajaroquemamais Jan 26 '22

The house always loses seats to the president’s opposing party in midterms. It takes really crazy conditions like 9/11 for it not to happen. But the senate isn’t completely written off yet.

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u/theth1rdchild Jan 26 '22

Democrats are so disconnected from reality that they still think Virginia is an outlier and they still won't get it when they get destroyed in midterms

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u/753951321654987 Jan 26 '22

Incoming mitch McConnell " its too soon before the midterms to appoint anyone "

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u/OonaLuvBaba Jan 26 '22 Silver Gold Helpful

And that's why it is good that he is not the Senate Majority leader. This is exactly why it was crucial that Georgia elected Ossoff and Warnock.

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u/jackmon Jan 26 '22

Unfortunately the way voting access is going in Georgia, I don't know if they'll be there for long.

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u/gusterfell Jan 26 '22

Which is why Breyer is retiring now.

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u/LeCrushinator Jan 26 '22

Yep, a new judge would need to be appointed before the next congress.

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u/mundungus-amongus Jan 26 '22

Well the process only takes a couple of weeks as we recently learned

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u/arobkinca Jan 27 '22

1 month going by ACB.

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u/Mragftw Jan 27 '22

I can't wait for fox News to start spouting off about some reason its unfair to put a new Supreme Court Justice through right now

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u/wrongtester Jan 26 '22

If only Ruth knew to do the same

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u/jdcinema Jan 26 '22

She did and still said fuck it.

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u/scarf_prank_hikers Jan 26 '22

She knew. Just stubborn.

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u/Realtrain Jan 26 '22

Obama basically begged her to.

She wanted to be replaced by Hillary Clinton.

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u/Autumnalskye Jan 26 '22

That was a moronic move on her part fersure

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u/Rengiil Jan 26 '22

Not just moronic. Amazingly selfish and shameful.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

If the “deep state Dems” were as powerful as the GQP says they are, they could’ve been able to pull a Weekend at Bernie’s with RBG until 2021 at the least.

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u/Kixaz007 Jan 26 '22 'MURICA

Warnock just raised $23M for re-election. Let’s hope it’s enough Warnock Re-election Warchest

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u/gummybronco Jan 26 '22

Doesn’t matter anyway because Republicans aren’t able to block it

For what it’s worth, that argument was only for presidential election years in the past, unless he now chooses to shift it

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u/gusterfell Jan 26 '22

In 2020 McConnell had no problem amending his original argument to "no nomination in a presidential election year, unless the same party controls both the Senate and the White House." He'll have no trouble coming up with some other lame excuse to amend it further.

Not that it matters, thanks to Harry Reid.

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u/guyblade Jan 27 '22

I mean, the argument is "no nomination unless it is politically advantageous to me". Everything else is just half-hearted excuses.

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u/Ask_Who_Owes_Me_Gold Jan 26 '22

For what it’s worth, that argument was only for presidential election years in the past, unless he now chooses to shift it

It was never an argument until he chose to shift it.

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u/T1mac Jan 26 '22

It was never an argument to begin with until 2016 and Merrick Garland. It's a total power grab by Moscow Mitch and the Dems let him get away with it.

BTW Mitch turned around and promptly broke his rule with Amy COVID Barrett who was confirmed a week before election day and when voting was actively happening for two months.

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u/timecodes Jan 26 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

They begged RBG to retire while Obama was president look what happened. Kudos to this guy.

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u/Jakaal Jan 26 '22 Silver

I personally think time in office should be capped for Justices right along with term limits for Senators and Reps. When the lifetime appointments thing was written, it was only expected to be 10 to 20 years tops. Now we have justices that can be on the bench for almost 50 fucking years.

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u/EmotionalSuportPenis Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be able to hold any kind of public office past the age of 65. That's the standard retirement age so you should be getting bundled off for your golden years with a nice pension, but aside from that, physical and mental performance starts to significantly degrade past that point and most of these elderly people clinging to leadership positions have proven that they can't be trusted with long-term decision making anymore.

Mandatory retirement at 65 for public servants works well for a lot of reasons. Hell, extend it past elected officials and make it a thing in every government position from federal to state to local, from the local building inspector's office to the Presidency. There are problems at every single level that could potentially be solved just by forcing the average age of the people occupying those positions down.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

I would probably say 70 with the actual retirement age being what it is. But also for a Justice an age floor of 50, so effective a 20 year term.

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u/valvin88 Jan 26 '22

I guess they finally learned their lesson after handing the reds a 6/9 super majority.

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u/MantisToboganMD Jan 26 '22

Exhausted with people who refuse to accept criticism of RBG for that. We can all appreciate the work she did half a century ago but holding onto the reins of power into the twilight of her life was pure ego. Imagine having that much of an attachment to your position of power (yet needing for nothing financially) that you jeopardize everything you worked for.

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u/Darwins_Rhythm Jan 26 '22

She was known for having a pretty massive ego, and all the hagiography that was happening near the end of her life probably didn't help much.

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u/Maxpowr9 Jan 26 '22

Nancy Pelosi has the same problem.

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u/TheApathyParty2 Jan 27 '22

Nancy Pelosi has many more problems than that, but yes.

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u/Slit23 Jan 26 '22

Seriously! She could have enjoyed her last years and made sure someone with near the same values took her place but no she let us know she didn’t care what happened with the court after her death she was going to keep her spot till the end.

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u/DerelictDonkeyEngine Jan 26 '22 Silver

Mitch McConnell: "We will not allow a new Supreme Court Justice to be seated in an election century."

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u/KaamDeveloper Jan 26 '22

Good thing Turtle Man isn't setting the rules then, eh?

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u/amaezingjew Jan 26 '22

MINORITY leader McConnell

I just like saying it

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u/thenewyorkgod Jan 26 '22

in turtly voice: "There's actually an established precedent for that. In fact, not a single supreme court justice was nominated in the entire 17th century. Now is not the time to break with that tradition"

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u/jchodes Jan 26 '22

Charles Koch should be number one. Stop looking at the whores in the street and go for the pimp.

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u/JohnLockeNJ Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22 Silver

Breyer couldn’t have done it during Trump years because he would want a liberal replacement. He couldn’t retire in 2021 as it would look political, like he was just waiting for Trump to leave. He couldn’t do it around election time as it would become even more political than it usually is. He couldn’t do it after mid-terms because Democrats are likely to lose the Senate.

Given how long past confirmations have taken, his window for doing this was likely Jan-May 2022. He picked end of Jan to give more leeway for obstacles.

Edit: Added 1 to each of the years because WTF was I thinking writing 2020/2021 instead of 2021/2022

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u/unidentifiedfish55 Jan 26 '22

Jan-May 2021

It's 2022, mate.

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u/Generation_ABXY Jan 26 '22 Take My Energy Wearing is Caring

Doctor: "And have you experienced any loss of time?" Patient: stares in pandemic

For me, things have been a blur since March of 2020.

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u/KnottyKitty Jan 26 '22 Silver

Today is March 700th 2020. Right?

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u/Noble_Flatulence Jan 26 '22

Day n+1 of the year that lasted a decade.

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u/Abominationally Jan 26 '22

March of 2020

November of 2015.

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u/theycallmecrack Jan 26 '22

I just realized I have no significant memories from 2017-now. In a few years I probably won't remember anything besides where I lived.

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u/Vkca Jan 26 '22

I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

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u/Dark_Styx Jan 26 '22

I'm in this picture and I don't remember when it was taken.

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u/portablebiscuit Jan 26 '22

Nah, man. Today is the 696th of March, 2020.

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u/Redditthedog Jan 26 '22

He likely won't step down till June as he probably wants to stay on to vote on cases

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u/JohnLockeNJ Jan 26 '22

That’s makes sense and is part of why I thought May would be the latest that he would announce.

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u/Brodogmillionaire1 Jan 26 '22

He couldn’t retire in 2021 as it would look political, like he was just waiting for Trump to leave.

Could you explain why he couldn't do it then? Of course retiring is inherently political in this office. It's not like he's fooling anyone retiring now, right?

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH Jan 26 '22

he's been pretty vocal about not wanting to retire strategically because it would politicize the court

which is really dumb so i'm glad to see he either changed his mind or really pretended to be a moron all that time

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u/Necromancer4276 Jan 26 '22

He couldn’t retire in 2021 as it would look political, like he was just waiting for Trump to leave. He couldn’t do it around election time as it would become even more political than it usually is.

Why does he care?

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u/muskratboy Jan 26 '22

But there’s only 3 years until the next election, it’s way too close!

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u/jeff_the_weatherman Jan 26 '22

“Republicans aren’t on board, so this is too partisan for me to support” -manchin

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u/Tbone139 Jan 26 '22

"Here's some more dollary-doos!"

-previously-exposed billionaire donors

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u/Nytfire333 Jan 26 '22

Don't give him the ideas, at least make him come up with it on his own

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u/VAisforLizards Jan 26 '22

Sinema is the worst. Manchin has never changed he has always been barely a democrat in a the deep red state of WV. Sinema on the other hand is a vile piece of hot roasted shit that has turned her back on the party and values she once championed (at least in campaign speeches)

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u/Etheros64 Jan 26 '22

I expect Manchin to act how he does, it's how he was elected. I don't think any other blue candidate could get elected in WV. Even if he occasionally votes against the party, having that seat be blue is marginally better than it being red. Sinema absolutely disgusts me. Running as a progressive then immediately caving into corruption and selling away both your position and integrity should be grounds for removal from office and substantial fines.

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u/chamtrain1 Jan 26 '22

They'll argue that it's a midterm year and we should wait to hear the will of the people, you can count on that. If one Dem breaks ranks this will not happen.

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u/wklink Jan 26 '22

The last election hasn't even been settled yet... /s

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u/Gunjink Jan 26 '22 Silver Helpful

**Mitch McConnell, dressed in a spandex onesie, steps up and claps his hands in white chalk, preparing for the obstructionist, mental gymnastics performance of his life.

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u/swill128 Jan 26 '22

"we legally can prevent a liberal appointee so we're going to"

It's not really anything hard to understand.

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u/Rorako Jan 26 '22

He doesn’t even need to hide it anymore. In fact, if he came out and said this I’m sure he’d gain voters.

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u/Legalistigician Jan 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Good on him.

God rest her soul, but Ruth Ginsberg really put the entire left back by choosing to stick around so long instead of retiring during Obama’s two terms.

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u/csesium Jan 26 '22

Ah hubris. A shame she couldn't remember she's 81 and could die at any moment and think about who may come after her instead of thinking she's the greatest.

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u/2hoty Jan 26 '22

This 100%. 81 years old and doesn't leave when a reasonable person could replace her.

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u/Archetype_FFF Jan 26 '22

The most cocky woman ever. Has pancreatic cancer for ten years, misses oral arguments all the time in her final two years, and physically looks dead but still refuses to retire thinking "I'm the best you've got."

What the fuck?

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u/h0bb1tm1ndtr1x Jan 26 '22

Someone remind Pelosi and the other 75+ year old politicians. They're one icy step away from hurting us all with their selfishness.

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u/shugbear Jan 26 '22

Pelosi passing away suddenly wouldn't have anywhere near the impact of RBG's passing or if another justice passed while there was a GOP president.

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u/scorpionjacket2 Jan 26 '22

Pelosi's district is in San Francisco, there's zero chance she'd be replaced with anyone but a Democrat.

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u/Catlover18 Jan 26 '22

Those politicians are still elected, so theoretically their constituents would just vote the next candidate with the right letter next to their name. And if they don't then it probably was that old politician holding the seat and not the party.

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH Jan 26 '22

Pelosi represents San Fransisco, and her replacement will be filled by an election. there is zero reason for her to retire unlike geriatric justices.

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u/yenom_esol Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Who are you going to get who will be better than me?

Apparently the answer is a theocrat that will undo her life's work. Well played RBG... :(

Edit: wrote RGB instead of RBG

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u/Jimid41 Jan 26 '22

Who are you going to get who will be better than me?

Somebody that's likely to be alive in five years is the obviously truthful though not tactful answer.

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u/uselesscalligraphy Jan 26 '22

Justice CMYK was better

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u/siromega Jan 26 '22

Well I don’t know about decades. Clarence Thomas is in his early 70s. If he were to die unexpectedly like Scalia during a Dem administration where they have the senate they could get the seat back.

Dems just need to make sure they win senate seats. They went from expecting to have 53 seats on election night to 50 after two run-offs. Imagine how much less drama there would have been if dems had 53 seats and we didn’t give a shit about Manchin or Sinema on the 50-vote issues.

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u/jeffderek Jan 26 '22

during a Dem administration where they have the senate

Yeah good luck with this happening again anytime soon.

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u/Snickersthecat Jan 26 '22

Alito isn't a spring chicken either, and I would say him and Thomas are the most partisan justices on the court by a huge margin.

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u/PoissonsRevenge Jan 26 '22

If the Republicans take the White House and Senate in the next 10 years, you can bet they're being replaced with young justices.

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u/BurningJesus Jan 26 '22

Some 32 year old Federalist Society types

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u/Matrix17 Jan 26 '22

RBG was an idiot when it came to this. She literally made the world a worse place for those left after her. Let the downvotes commence

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u/Pwthrowrug Jan 26 '22

Only upvotes from me. It was pure selfishness and grand standing on her part to not pass her seat to someone who could continue her legacy.

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u/hoosakiwi Jan 26 '22

Yeah. RBG is an icon, but her decision to stay on the court might just have totally fucked Roe v Wade and her work to further women's rights.

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u/moogly2 Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

She was never a fan of how Roe v Wade was argued. She thought "Privacy" was weak argument, overly broad, and if anything should have been Legislatively passed. She though Equal Protection, "Gender Equality" be better foundation

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u/CrushHazard Jan 26 '22 Wholesome

I agree with her. We should have codified the right to medical self-determination long ago.

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u/YouSoIgnant Jan 26 '22

Why won't D's push it in their legislation? I do not think it is as popular nation-wide as people think it is.

States need to do it.

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u/s0m3f00l Jan 26 '22

The real question is why didn't they do anything on abortion when they had the super majority or statehouses or governorship's?

Its almost like they want to punt the issue to avoid any possible political blowback despite pretending to stand firm on the matter. But what do I know I am sure its all in good faith and I just don't understand anything about politics.

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u/Malaix Jan 26 '22

From what I recall roe v wade is generally considered badly argued by all sides. It’s just the result outweighs the technicality of the method for pro-choice advocates.

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u/patrickfatrick Jan 26 '22

Absolutely, we should not have taken precedent for granted and it should have been made law decades ago.

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u/malektewaus Jan 26 '22

She was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer two weeks into Obama's first term, after having already survived cancer once before. And she still didn't retire. Ultimately that's the only aspect of her legacy that will have a lasting impact. The rest, she burned on the altar of her pride and hubris.

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u/mckeitherson Jan 26 '22

Agreed. I get that they don't want the courts to look political, but guess what? They already are and the country can see that. If she wanted to preserve her legacy and precedents set, she should have retired. Glad Breyer is doing it now.

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u/IanMazgelis Jan 26 '22

I think Ginsberg set a precedent for retiring while a member of your party is president. I know we're supposed to pretend the Supreme Court isn't partisan, but for as long as any sitting members of the court are alive, I don't think anyone is going to wait it out until death after Ginsberg swore up and down she'd never die when a Republican would pick her replacement, then did since we absolutely don't countrol our own deaths.

Mortality is just something that's going to catch up with you. If justices are loyal to their end of the political spectrum- And yes, they are, Ginsberg herself made it very, very clear- Then they shouldn't be gambling on something like that. It's just a silly bet to make when you consider the risk of being replaced by someone who would vote against you versus the reward of not experiencing retirement.

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u/l0c0dantes Jan 26 '22

Ginsberg swore up and down she'd never die when a Republican would pick her replacement, then did since we absolutely don't countrol our own deaths.

If she said that, it is like, peak hubris, goddamn.

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u/Throwimous Jan 26 '22

When Obama got elected, everyone was so damn sure Republicans had been reduced to a regional party.

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u/Syscrush Jan 26 '22

And when GWB was elected, Karl Rove crowed about installing a "permanent Republican majority".

The only constant is the ebb and flow of power between these two parties.

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u/nwdogr Jan 26 '22

I'm kind of curious about one thing - are SCOTUS justices allowed to coordinate with the White House on retirements? Like talking with the President on what the best time is and whether a replacement is likely to be approved and who it might be?

Or is that breaching separation of powers and justices just have to retire without warning and hope the administration doesn't drop the ball in replacing them?

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u/Kelend Jan 26 '22

Scalia asked for Kagan

I have no illusions that your man will nominate someone who shares my orientation. But I hope he sends us someone smart. Let me put a finer point on it. I hope he sends us Elena Kagan.

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u/Beastw1ck Jan 26 '22

Mitch McConnell: "With only 3 years until the next presidential election..."

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u/buchlabum Jan 26 '22

blink of an eye in turtle time.

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u/Perfect600 Jan 26 '22

They need to push it through as quickly as possible.

Oh who are we kidding they will wait til they lose the midterms

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u/Xerxero Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Bet they fuck it up somehow.

!Remindme 6months

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u/MrBlaker001 Jan 26 '22

“I cant support anyone the republicans dont support” -manachin probably

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u/caesar____augustus Jan 26 '22

Ketanji Brown Jackson has been touted before as a possible replacement. Recently got appointed to the DC Court of Appeals and replaced Merrick Garland.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/30/977919229/ketanji-brown-jackson-bidens-pick-is-viewed-as-potential-supreme-court-justice

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u/foreheadteeth Jan 26 '22

I binge watched a bunch of "Innocence Project" documentaries a little while back, and one of the guys pointed out that most (all?) the supreme court justices had been prosecutors. He said something like, it's not enough to have ethnic/gender diversity, we need a diversity of ideas, someone who was on the side of defending instead of prosecution.

In any case, one of the things that I noticed on Jackson's page is that she used to be a public defender.

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u/gsfgf Jan 26 '22

Not just SCOTUS justices. It's a problem at all levels. I'd be thrilled if Biden appoints a former defense attorney.

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u/Peter_Panarchy Jan 26 '22

That's actually a major theme of Biden's judicial nominees, vastly more former defense attorneys than previous administrations.

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u/Lujho Jan 27 '22

Whoa whoa whoa there, buddy. You can’t just put in a new judge a mere three years away from an election.

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u/PotatoDonki Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Wow, a justice humble enough to actually retire at the right time!

This is harsh, but what did RBG accomplish in the extra few years she hung on without retiring? My perception is that she basically spent that time on leave getting treatments, and every time I heard her speak I couldn’t imagine she was getting legal work done very efficiently. Apparently she even claimed working in the court helped her mourn her husband when asked why she wasn’t retiring. Which is absolutely ridiculous! This is a nation’s legal system, not your therapy session! She should have retired years before she died. And the proof was in the pudding on that one.

Good on this Justice, and congrats on his retirement.

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u/joevsyou Jan 26 '22

You honestly have a point.

Unfortunately our judges are political pointed even though they should be hardcore independent down the middle.

These justices know how this works... retire. They literally get a lifetime pension, so money cannot be a concern.

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u/Bi_ciuin Jan 26 '22

Time to get a young 81 year old in to replace him.

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u/LelouchViBri Jan 26 '22 Take My Energy

RBG biggest blunder is dying with the baton.

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u/SamCarter_SGC Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

understatement of the year

she undid her entire life's mission and legacy

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u/hoosakiwi Jan 26 '22

Just watch Republicans get pissy that Dems are going to try to seat a new Justice so close to elections.

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u/westviadixie Jan 26 '22

well, it is an election decade...

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u/swinging-in-the-rain Jan 26 '22

How can they do this in an election century?!?

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u/jojoblogs Jan 27 '22

We’re about to see McConnell explain that it’s undemocratic to appoint a new judge so close to midterms

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u/watchoutfordeer Jan 26 '22

Imagine if Ginsburg had retired.

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u/Sacred_Fishstick Jan 26 '22

I'm calling it now, the dems will somehow fail to ram through an appointment in time for mid terms. I don't yet know how or why but they'll manage to fuck it up.

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u/Mehnard Jan 26 '22

Would you look at that? Breyer doing what Ginsburg should have done. Maybe he saw the handwriting on the side of the crypt?

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u/WriteAndRong Jan 27 '22

I suggest that Biden nominates Anita Hill.

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u/salsanacho Jan 26 '22

On a non-political note, I never understood why the Supreme Court doesn't have a age requirement for retirement. I don't care how spry they think they are, I don't want an 83yo on the nation's most important court. Maybe put a cap at 75 or something in the low 70's.

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u/GoArray Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

The reasoning is if a judge has to plan for their next job, they may use their position in current job to secure it.

Scotus retirement 'only' pays $150k *~$250k / year.

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u/jonny_mem Jan 27 '22

Scotus retirement is their highest full salary, assuming they meet length of service and age requirements.

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u/_C00KIE_M Jan 27 '22

“A President who has 3 years left can’t appoint a new judge” -Mitch McConnell in 24 hours

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u/kenos99 Jan 26 '22

Well now we know what the next great national debate will be about. Can’t wait to be called all sorts of names by strangers on the internet when I voice my opinions on his replacement!

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u/allonzeeLV Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

I have a couple of questions:

How will Republicans steal this seat?

And related:

How will Democrats let them in order to claim that sweet, sweet indignance?

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