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Spotify Agrees to Pull Neil Young’s Music After His Criticism of Joe Rogan’s Podcast

https://pitchfork.com/news/spotify-agrees-to-pull-neil-young-music-after-his-criticism-of-joe-rogan-podcast/
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u/hoosakiwi Jan 27 '22

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u/Devlarski Jan 27 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Guess he'll pack it in and

Buy a pick up

Take it down to iTunes

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u/tkir Jan 26 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Take My Energy

It would be nice if Spotify had a "don't show this artist" on podcasts. I listen to one Joe Rogan episode (the Bourdain one; rest in peace), and it's forever stuck on my recommendations like some plague.

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u/CrushHazard Jan 26 '22

I’ve never listened to Joe Rogan ever, and he is on the front page of Spotify every day.

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u/Dr_Bonejangles Jan 27 '22

For what they are paying him they have to shove it down our throats. 100 mill.

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u/HelloAttila Jan 27 '22

That’s exactly why. They have to recoup as much of that money as they can.

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u/PaulPierceOldestSon Jan 27 '22

He’s probably the top podcast on Spotify by a large margin. I don’t think they have to squeeze anything out of him lol it’s just very popular

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u/DoAsRomansDo Jan 27 '22

That too, but if they can milk the golden goose, then even better.

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u/Emergency_Statement Jan 27 '22 Wholesome

I think I'm going to need a diagram of how to milk a goose.

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u/OnAMoose Jan 27 '22

you can milk anything with nipples

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u/BruceInc Jan 27 '22

Well can you, Focker?

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u/XxShArKbEaRxX Jan 27 '22

With enough work certainly come over baby

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u/punkfusion Jan 27 '22

Have you seen Joe's nipples? They look like they can be milked

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

You’d probably get a protein shake out of him (sponsored ofc)

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u/WockoJillink Jan 27 '22

Monotremes lack nipples, but still lactate through their abdominal skin. Expand your horizons, you can milk far more than just things with nipples

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u/SJSragequit Jan 27 '22

Thanks I hate it

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u/copperwatt Jan 27 '22

I don't like knowing this

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u/MC-Sparlock Jan 27 '22

I seriously wonder if monotremes evolved because some ancient bird fucked a rat.

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u/TheAsphyxiated Jan 27 '22

I dont think… aves have nipples? Correct me if I am wrong? Cloaca… check… beak… check… nipples? Not sure. Thought that was a mammal thing.

*is indeed

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u/SJSragequit Jan 27 '22

Not geese but:

The flamingo, pigeon, and male emperor penguin are the three species of birds that produce a milk-like substance known as crop milk or pigeon milk to feed their young ones. Unlike mammals who produce milk through the mammary glands, lactating birds regurgitate crop milk.

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u/bmack500 Jan 27 '22

Yeah, after all we do have almond milk…

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u/DoAsRomansDo Jan 27 '22

Absolutely, milking is covered under "Rule 34", so you should be able to find what you want by searching Goose Rule 34.

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u/Mekroval Jan 27 '22

Mmm, I don't think I will, actually.

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u/trancendominant Jan 27 '22

You can milk a goose? Alright, I'll be back.

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u/lenzflare Jan 27 '22

Constantly promoting him does factor into his popularity.

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u/TLNPswgoh Jan 27 '22

What's the time scale on that 100 milli?

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u/rubywpnmaster Jan 27 '22

3 year contract... So yeah he made 33.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 million a year just to keep doing what he was already doing. Did notice his podcast went from "Joe has lots of neat guests" to "Joe's guest have progressively become more and more right wing." He's at a point now where most left wing would be guests no longer want to do his show so it's prob just going to end up with him being the new Rush in a decade.

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u/memerino Jan 27 '22

I don't think the type of guests he's had on has changed much. I think people are just starting to become more aware of it.

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u/2fuzz714 Jan 27 '22

Ah yes, the Bill Maher path.

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u/Supercoolguy7 Jan 27 '22

Conservatives love to act like Bill Maher is someone people on the left are just turning against. The left hasn't liked him since the edgy atheist youtubers stopped being popular

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u/Juicey_J_Hammerman Jan 27 '22

I think most of his humor mainly appeals to an audience that's middle aged and older. I remember a friend of mine invited me to see him live with her last year. Both of us were in our mid twenties at the time and were noticeably the youngest people in the theatre by at least a decade (as far as we could tell).

Maher's act - read by him partially from a notebook propped on a stand like sheet music to an orchestra, also had a lot of old-school kind of jokes making fun of smartphones/apps, overly-potent marijuana strains, marriage, young people in general, and even comic books. Most of those jokes passed over us but had the rest of the crowd cracking up. It made me remember that Maher is in his late 60's (and his material reflected that accordingly).

Weird experience too. No opener, he used the 'Real Time' intro to walk out to (even though the show was not sold as having anything to do with the HBO series), and his act's structure/delivery felt like an odd hybrid between the TV show's monologue and "New Rules" segment - like the show was an extended 'Real Time' episode. Even though my friend and I normally lean progressive/liberal on the political spectrum, his show overall was not really that funny (first stand up show I can say that about).

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u/Mutaharismaboi Jan 27 '22

Don’t forget that time he heard a YouTuber died and then decided to use that inspiration to start talking down to Gen Z and YouTubers/influencers in general.

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u/Juicey_J_Hammerman Jan 27 '22

Yep. sounds about right. I remember watching his show and enjoying it not even a decade ago. Now it just reminds me of the comics section of a newspaper anytime they feel like randomly dunking on young people.

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u/Gorstag Jan 27 '22

Late 90's when I lost interest him.

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u/Fritzkreig Jan 27 '22

He seems to have taken a hard Libertarian move, and keeps walking down that path.

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u/pentaquine Jan 27 '22

Unless you don't have Spotify. Worked for me.

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u/DistortoiseLP Jan 26 '22

He's like that thing when you first notice something then start seeing it everywhere, except it's real and won't stop.

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u/publicbigguns Jan 26 '22

Baader–Meinhof phenomenon or frequency bias

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u/macrocephalic Jan 27 '22 Silver Wholesome

I keep seeing this everywhere lately!

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u/Grunflachenamt Jan 27 '22

Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon or frequency bias

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u/ProverbialShoehorn Jan 27 '22

Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon or frequency bias

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u/porgy_tirebiter Jan 27 '22

Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon or frequency bias

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u/dragoneye Jan 27 '22

I have the same issue, Spotify has decided I'm in his demographic and therefore continually recommends his podcast. Frankly, this whole thing has me realizing all the things I dislike about Spotify and thinking that maybe another service would serve my needs better rather than just sucking it up like I have been.

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u/stevencastle Jan 27 '22

I have a 500 gb micro-sd card in my phone and just put all my favorite music on that. No need for streaming apps, can stream to my car stereo or to a bluetooth speaker or whatever.

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u/ProfessorPetrus Jan 27 '22

They took the micro SD card from my phone man. They coming for them cuz the iPhone users don't mind paying 300 bucks for an extra 500gb instead of 50.

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u/mmm_burrito Jan 27 '22

You and me, we're the weirdos.

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u/notJef Jan 27 '22

Hi fellow weirdos!

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u/galacticboy2009 Jan 27 '22

And for podcasts, just get a podcatcher application.

There's no reason to stream them. It's better to download them first anyway.

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u/PaperGabriel Jan 27 '22

Word. Pocket Casts has worked well for me.

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u/galacticboy2009 Jan 27 '22

Podcast Addict is where it's at, for me!

It has sooooo many features. It's overrun with features and settings. All individually applicable for each individual show.

The way an Android app should be, in my opinion.

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u/Iupvoteanimals Jan 27 '22

What are our options? I want a different music app because Spotify sucks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

I had YouTube music before I had Spotify so YT has a more complete history of music I've liked and downloaded over the years but I got Spotify because at first it curated some really unique awesome playlists for me when I had the free trial but after having it for 3 years now, it's like it barely even knows me. My discover Playlist keeps getting narrower and narrower in terms of genre even tho I have all kind of music in my library.

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u/Pheonixmoonfire Jan 27 '22

Youtube Music will create custom radio stations based on the music that you have searched for and "liked". It has become quite nice.

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u/dustyshelves Jan 27 '22

YouTube music also have more content. There are artists who go on radio shows and cover songs, and sometimes they can be really great. They don't always release them on Spotify but they're on YouTube music.

In my country at least, paying for YouTube music also gives me YouTube premium and it's the same price as Spotify so it's an easy pick for me.

The only 'con' is it's not as ~trendy as Spotify I guess. Like at the end of the year when everyone posts their Spotify stats you feel left out lol.

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u/theColonelsc2 Jan 27 '22

I'm old so don't hate me when I say Pandora seems pretty on par if you pay the 10 a month charge.

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u/Panhandle_for_crypto Jan 27 '22

Youtube works well for me. Don't see any adds on youtube and get heaps of music at the same time

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u/sariisa Jan 27 '22

I like Pandora. I have no desire to pick specific songs to listen to, being surprised is the nice part about it.

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u/kashibohdi Jan 27 '22

I stream both Spotify and Pandora. Have to say, Pandora is actually better in variety and in sticking with the music I want to hear.

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u/superoprah Jan 27 '22

Ahh Pandora. coming to Canada soon... since 2007 🤣

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u/TunaHands Jan 27 '22

I’ve been enjoying Apple Music quietly over here.

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u/theoutlet Jan 27 '22

Use Apple Music. I got it because I was already going to get Apple TV+ and bundling it with Apple Music was going to cost me the same as Spotify on its own. Plus, my wife, my daughter and I have separate accounts. I don’t have to worry about my algorithm being messed up by my daughter’s musical choices and Vice versa

Oh but about that algorithm.. for the first year, it was god fucking awful. It could not figure me out at all. Terrible after terrible recommendations. It was like a grandma Christmas shopping for video games awful. Lately though? It’s finally starting to figure me out. Not as good as Spotify yet, but getting there.

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u/jonforgottheh Jan 27 '22

I love YT Music and I get YouTube premium included, all ad free. I'll never go back to watching ad videos on YouTube again, I hated those ads.

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u/ripvannwinkler Jan 27 '22

Honestly, YouTube Premium is the only pay-for-media service I can still justify. Sure, I might subscribe to Paramount+ for a star trek binge, or D+ for a new movie release or something, but it's 1-month-and-done for me, except Youtube Premium.

It's so nice to be able to stream youtube anywhere I'm logged in and not have to worry about ads interrupting, which is a pretty big thing when you're watching it mostly on a SmartTV that PiHole doesn't work for. I guess that's one venture Youtube has going for it.

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u/fusillade762 Jan 27 '22

I havent watched an ad on youtube in 10 years and it doesnt cost me a dime.

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u/themangastand Jan 27 '22

Impossible if your mostly doing it on your phone through the app

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u/metamet Jan 27 '22

That's the biggest thing I take for granted. No ads is huge.

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u/BorKon Jan 27 '22

I have tidal, it came with my subscription sercice for cable/internet. I'm not a big music buff but it seems like it has a lot of music....

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u/115MRD Jan 27 '22

Same. I’m tired of them promoting someone I have no interest in. You’d think they’d allow you tailor your recommendations.

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u/Groty Jan 27 '22

Yeah, I've been trying to block Oasis for years.

I worked at a Subway during lunch shift in college and Wonderwall would play 4 times in a 2-hour stretch for months. Don't give me hate, I'm scarred.

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u/Dretard Jan 27 '22

Click Oasis on spotify, there's three dots next to their name. Click them and select "don't play this". It works pretty well even excluding artists from mixes of similar music, but it seems to have some sort of reset occasionally, may be when spotify updates.

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u/Groty Jan 27 '22

Ahh! I have done that but it still shows up in mixes. I'll have to do it periodically.

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u/LonelyGoat Jan 27 '22

For some reason this is a mobile only feature

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u/Scops Jan 27 '22

If anyone's wondering why they don't see this option, it doesn't seem to be present on the Spotify Desktop app, at least on Windows. Can confirm it appears in the Android app.

It's odd it doesn't show up for podcasts though.

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u/GreatEmperorAca Jan 27 '22 Silver

seems like you are looking back in anger

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u/LtSoundwave Jan 27 '22

Anyway, here’s Wonderwall.

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u/Blood_and_Turds Jan 27 '22

followed immediately by alanis morrisette and red hot chili peppers

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u/kittensglitter Jan 27 '22

I feel that. I worked in Hollister in 2005 when Fall Out Boy became huge and 🎵"Sugar we're going down swinging"🎶 upsets me so much! We had a jukebox-type deal so customers could choose their own music and they all chose that song, all day long, and I am still not okay.

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u/herbreastsaredun Jan 27 '22

I can't stand Phil Collins' voice for similar reasons. One note and I'm back at the orthodontist.

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u/MRintheKEYS Jan 27 '22

How can I just let you walk away? Just let you leave without a trace

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u/John_Durden Jan 27 '22

Especially with all that tooth decay? Plus that gap might require a brace.

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u/ElonsAlcantaraJacket Jan 27 '22

The dentist will look at you now......

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u/galacticboy2009 Jan 27 '22

You're the only one,

who really scraped me at allllll..

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u/celluloid-hero Jan 27 '22

Artists too. There are a few musicians similar to my tastes who get recommended that I sincerely hate musically and morally

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u/Dretard Jan 27 '22

Click the artist on spotify, there's three dots next to their name. Click them and select "don't play this". It works pretty well even excluding artists from mixes of similar music.

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u/ledfrisby Jan 27 '22

Weird, I don't have this. This old thread suggests maybe it's due to AB testing of features. I wonder if country/region or account age might affect this? The closest thing I have is the "remove" button on Discover Weekly and Release Radar, so sometimes I catch an artist I don't like on there.

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u/Ididntevenscreenlook Jan 26 '22

Dude I literally have never listened to a podcast in my life… not one. The top of Joe’s peanut head is on my home page literally every time I open the app.

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u/RecycledPixel Jan 27 '22

I specifically don’t allow history in my YouTube because this very thing. One ☝️fuckin misclick and you’re doomed for life.

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u/TunnelToTheMoon Jan 27 '22

On YouTube you can search for and remove single items from your history, as well as blacklist channels and single videos.

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u/urbanspacecowboy Jan 27 '22

The people who follow basic directions like these, and the people who complain and complain and complain about their situations without making the slightest effort to improve them, are entirely separate groups.

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u/stormstormstorms Jan 27 '22

Ha ha, Spotify herpes

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u/IronMonkey18 Jan 26 '22

I have an iPhone so I use the Apple app for podcast instead. I like to keep my music and podcast separated, plus I feel the Apple app is so much better for things like that.

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u/eastcoastdude Jan 26 '22

I only got Spotify for LPOTL as they went exclusive to them 2 years ago but that deal ends next month.

I can't wait to delete the app so I can have all my podcasts in one spot again.

IMO the Spotify interface is terrible for apps.

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u/reverendjesus Jan 27 '22

Patreons can get an RSS link for the ad-free feed, and it works in the Apple app. Source: https://i.imgur.com/jX714N1.jpg

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u/Atomic_Merp Jan 27 '22

Hail yourself.

And can't wait to see what happens when that deal ends.

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u/Lukescale Jan 27 '22

Omg really? I can't wait! I'm in line right behind you.

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u/tider06 Jan 27 '22

There is an RSS feed that works for podcast addict.

Fuck Spotify for podcasts. The UI is complete garbage.

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u/alliebeemac Jan 27 '22

Hail Yourself! Same here, and there aren’t any other Spotify exclusives that will make me stick around when they’re gone

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u/pretendtofly Jan 27 '22

The Apple app started super sucking for me some months ago. I stuck it out hoping for a fix with an update but finally jumped ship and am using pocketcasts now. Agree that I want to pods mixing with music. I also just hate Spotify doing any exclusivity with podcasts

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u/Carelesswhimperer Jan 27 '22

Thank god you said this. I thought it was just me living this pain

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u/ChampionChoices Jan 27 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

This headline is misleading. Mr. Young asked Spotify to pull his music. Spotify’s response was “We regret Neil’s decision to remove his music from Spotify, but hope to welcome him back soon.”

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u/Epcplayer Jan 27 '22

That’s partially true. Citing Rolling Stone

“They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young,” Neil Young wrote in a letter to his manager and label, “Not both."

He said they could choose to pull him, or choose to pull Joe Rogan. Spotify went with the younger more popular content creator who is under a multi-million dollar contract.

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u/PangeaDestructor Jan 27 '22

It may have a morals clause, but the rest of your statement is equally unlikely. It's not a TV network deal with takeover rights. There's no way they have any creative control or ownership in the podcast. They have exclusive rights to it during their contract term. To the extent there's a morals clause, it probably just says they can end the relationship and stop paying JR, at which point he can just go back to doing what he did before he signed with them.

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u/Mr_YUP Jan 27 '22

take over? It's a licensing agreement not a production agreement. They don't control anything because of that.

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u/cesarmac Jan 27 '22

Morality clause or no, who do you think brings Spotify more revenue?

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u/eleetpancake Jan 27 '22

The choice was obvious for Spotify. Neil Young isn't dumb, he knew Spotify wasn't going to give up their cash cow just for him. But it's the only recourse he has. Now there are headlines about Spotify, Neil Young and Joe Rogan. Hopefully it has brought some attention to the situation.

Neil Young decided he wasn't going to sit on his hands just because he can't instantly solve the problem all by himself.

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u/Trackpad94 Jan 27 '22

Also the way he worded it was effective. He knew the only outcome but presenting it as a choice forces Spotify to essentially endorse Rogan which makes them look bad. If he just said he was leaving they could simply say nothing.

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u/eleetpancake Jan 27 '22

Neil Young ain't no stranger to protesting something.

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u/Trackpad94 Jan 27 '22

Yeah I made the comment elsewhere in here that he's a millionaire in his 70's and he's going out into the bitter cold in nowhere Canada to protest oil pipelines

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Got me to take notice and not only cancel my premium Spotify, but had them delete my account altogether. Not planning to reverse that decision anytime soon.

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u/knowbodynows Jan 27 '22

And now other emboldened artists may follow Niels example until Spotify rethinks.

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u/TeslasAndComicbooks Jan 27 '22

That’s fine and dandy but Rogan has 200 million listens per month with 4 episodes and Young has 5 million across his whole catalog.

No way they give up Rogan.

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u/CutesyBeef Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

It took me so long to figure out why you think the headline is misleading! Are you reading it like Spotify was pushed/coerced/felt it necessary to remove Young's music? Due to his criticism about Rogan?

I think it can be read that Spotify is agreeing with Young to pull the music. That's how I read it at least. I suppose you're right though, it could be clearer.

Interesting how slight perspective differences can change meanings!

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u/codeverity Jan 27 '22

Since they don't specify who Spotify is agreeing with, that can cause a bit of confusion. A person not familiar might think that Spotify's bending to backlash or something.

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u/1motivateddude Jan 27 '22

The headline makes it look like Spotify blacklists Young because he criticizes Rogan, which is not true.

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u/bigsexyphysicist Jan 27 '22

"Don't you know to only read the headlines"

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u/fistofthefuture Jan 26 '22

Used to work at Warner: they’ll have his legacy content back on Spotify the second he passes - guarantee it.

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u/res30stupid Jan 27 '22

He may do what Robin Williams did and expressly forbid it in his will.

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u/RogueScallop Jan 27 '22

Young sold off 50% stake in his catalog several years ago. He probably won't be able to do that.

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u/Super-Strategy8161 Jan 27 '22

Not gonna lie, I was surprised to find out Neil Young is still alive, good for him

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u/awfuldyne Jan 27 '22

Oh goodie. I get to load Neil's songs to my computer from cds and then add them from local files. Again.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

No all his music is available for streaming on his website.

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u/TonyTontanaSanta Jan 27 '22

Or the ghetto version, YouTube>download as mp3>local files

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u/-r-a-f-f-y- Jan 27 '22

128 kbs is a travesty, though.

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u/Toocheeba Jan 27 '22

If you use youtubedl you'll get 128kbps opus which is like the equivalent of 320kbps mp3.

The youtube downloaders on the Web give you the option to download at 320kbps but I'm almost certain they just upscale a lower quality file. Since I think 2018 youtube has used opus rather than mp3 as it's higher quality and takes up less space.

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u/officerfett Jan 26 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy This

Now all that needs to happen is for Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, BTS, Adele, Drake, Bad Bunny, Dua Lipa, The Weeknd, Doja Cat, Ariana Grande, Bruno Mars, and a few others in the Spotify Top 20 Most streamed Artists for January 2022 to request to have their music pulled.

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u/omw_to_valhalla Jan 26 '22

They may not be able to. Neil Young still owns a significant portion of the rights to his music. Most artists don't have this.

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u/soulsizzle Jan 27 '22 Gold

He did not own the majority of the music that was removed. He didn't even have a legal right to take his music off of Spotify. However, Warner Music agreed to allow it to happen.

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u/South_Dakota_Boy Jan 27 '22

This is correct. For more, check out todays article in Rolling Stone.

Neil thanked Warners for making this happen (honestly, I’m not really sure why they agreed, except that Young is a force to be reckoned with.)

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u/redisaunce Jan 27 '22

Honestly, press maybe? The press about it and Warner allowing it to happen is probably mostly a net good in terms of sales revenue for his music and merchandise.

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u/mygreyhoundisadonut Jan 27 '22

Yeah the only one I could see doing this would be Taylor Swift for Taylor’s Version of her stuff that she owns simply because she has been outspoken politically in the past 5-6 years.

It would be a massive hit to Spotify if she stopped putting Taylor’s Versions on Spotify. Her fans want to support her by listening to the new re-recorded stuff.

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u/ZoeJefferson Jan 27 '22

Taylor did it before. She pulled all her music from streaming from 2014 - 2017

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u/grant622 Jan 27 '22

Ya she’s one of the only artist who has weight to her demands. She went against Spotify before.

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u/Cashfirex Jan 27 '22

What did Swift go against Spotify for?

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u/Roushfan5 Jan 27 '22

I believe it was actually Apple that she threw her weight against.

Apple wasn't paying artists any royalties for customers during the 3 month free trial they were offering when Apple Music was new. Not a big deal for an artist like Swift, but a huge deal for smaller content creators.

https://www.npr.org/2015/06/22/416538103/taylor-swift-wins-battle-with-apple-over-free-music-streaming

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u/renvi Jan 27 '22

Looks like it was both.

The singer’s relationship with the site has always been rocky – Swift initially refused to release her 2012 album Red on Spotify, critising the fact that artists receive between just $0.006 and $0.0084 per song play.

Writing in the Wall Street Journal in July this year, the singer said: “Music is art, and art is important and rare. Important, rare things are valuable. Valuable things should be paid for. It’s my opinion that music should not be free, and my prediction is that individual artists and their labels will someday decide what an album’s price point is. I hope they don’t underestimate themselves or undervalue their art.”

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u/MrWeirdoFace Jan 27 '22

Dumb question. As somebody who hasn't used a Mac and a very long time, what is the difference between apple music and iTunes? I thought iTunes WAS their music service.

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u/Altyrmadiken Jan 27 '22

You can buy individual songs and albums via iTunes and own them forever. You don't get to listen to stuff you haven't paid for (besides "clips" to see if you like it).

You subscribe to Apple Music and listen to everything for as long as you pay a subscription. You don't get to listen to anything if you cancel your subscription.

iTunes is their music "store," Apple Music is their "music Netflix."

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

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u/growlerpower Jan 27 '22

I can see Radiohead doing this. They never liked Spotify to begin with. While not as nearly big as these other acts, they’re still very popular. They’re also well-respected and could inspire others to do the same. Another 5 or so acts like that and it could spell trouble for Spotify.

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u/Barustai Jan 27 '22

It should also be noted that Neil Young had previously removed the bulk of his music from Spotify anyway for other reasons.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

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u/razorback1919 Jan 27 '22

This comment being unironically upvoted this much is such a Reddit thing.

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u/OhHiFelicia Jan 26 '22

But yet they still stream convicted paedophile R Kelly?!

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u/nohumanape Jan 26 '22

The difference here is that Neil Young REQUESTED that his music be taken off of their streaming platform.

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u/youdubdub Jan 27 '22

Wait, you actually read the article? Ho. Lee. Shit. (;

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u/TropicalHotDogNite Jan 26 '22

But they took him out of all their official playlists! /s

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u/NotVerySmarts Jan 27 '22

Wait a minute I'm pissin'

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u/IIHURRlCANEII Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

So does every music streaming service.

This isn't really a salient point. Drag Spotify for picking Rogan over Young and platforming Rogan but considering Young asked to be taken off instead of the other way around this is a pretty poor argument.

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u/TheeExoGenesauce Jan 26 '22

I was gonna say didn’t Neil request to be taken off Spotify

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u/Jabberwocky613 Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Yes he did. He requested to be removed if they were going to keep Rogan. So Spotify chose Rogan over Young.

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u/Glass_Veterinarian85 Jan 27 '22

Joe Rogan pulls in mega dollars for Spotify, that's the bottom line for them.

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u/GraphiteGru Jan 27 '22

Neil Young doesn't care two bits about Spotify. Financially he is very set from his catalogue. Remember this is a guy who recorded and released the song "Ohio" within a few weeks of the Shootings at Kent State (where Nixon's Coming) and I personally saw sing Bob Dylan's "Blowin in the Wind" (the one about banning canon balls) at the US Military Academy as Desert Storm was beginning in 1991.

The danger to Spotify is not that this "Rock Dinosaur" has asked for his music to be taken down but that he has influence with many other famous Musicians. Check out his work with Pearl Jam, Paul McCartney (a great "A Day in the Life"), all the great artists that have appeared at his Bridge School Shows and even if he gets a few of those to support him and ask for their music to be pulled then this becomes a giant Pain in the Butt for Spotify.

He's not telling Spotify that they cannot pay and play Joe Rogan's podcast, just that he doesn't want to be associated with them if they do.

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u/SaffellBot Jan 27 '22

The danger to Spotify is not that this "Rock Dinosaur" has asked for his music to be taken down but that he has influence with many other famous Musicians.

The danger is always that they might inspire others with means to exercise their moral agency.

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u/TacticalTuchel Jan 27 '22

All it'll take is Taylor Swift to speak out

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u/turlian Jan 27 '22

I went to Kent and got to see Crosby, Stills, and Nash perform Ohio back during the 30th anniversary of May 4th.

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u/SpiderHuman Jan 27 '22

How am I supposed to keep on rockin' in the free world under these conditions?

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u/LogLadyOG Jan 27 '22

The world ain't free anymore.

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u/Schiffy94 Jan 26 '22

"Eric Clapton to buy Spotify" - Tomorrow's headline

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u/TWAT_BUGS Jan 26 '22

Clapton: “Come check out Spotify! No Jews, blacks, Asians or Spanish allowed.”

Edit: Downvote me all you want. Doesn’t change the fact that Clapton is racist.

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u/Schiffy94 Jan 26 '22

What does Eric Clapton have in common with day-old lukewarm coffee?

He's only good with Cream.

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u/david-lynchs-hair Jan 27 '22

Dude survived Polio and it’s personal to him.

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u/spazzxxcc12 Jan 26 '22 Silver

whew, this comment section. something else

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u/cassette_nova Jan 26 '22

I’m sad in my own selfish right because I love listening to Neil Young, Buffalo Springfield, CSNY on Spotify ☹️

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u/Dr_The_Captain Jan 27 '22

CSNY and Buffalo Springfield are still on there for what it’s worth 😏

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u/AutoVonBizMarkee Jan 27 '22

There's something happening here

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u/thepinkprioress Jan 27 '22

Me too. I enjoy Neil Young’s music, but I respect him sticking to his principles.

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u/Biggu5Dicku5 Jan 26 '22

Seems like everyone got what they wanted...

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u/hotwaterplussoap Jan 27 '22

Everyone under 30: who's Neil Young?

Everyone age 31-60: Neil Young is still alive?

Everyone 61+: What's Spotify?

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u/sircharlesthesecond Jan 27 '22

And who is surprised? I can't imagine Neil draws in as many streams as Joe. At least he stands his moral ground.

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u/spoobles Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

He used the only tool available to him. Good for Neil. He knew damned well Spotify would side with the money Rogan generates. I'm glad he's respected enough by Warner/Reprise that they're OK with losing 60% of their streaming revenue from him.

For what it's worth, I'll side with Neil. It'll still be a mega corp, but I'll get Apple Music or something else.

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u/Willsy7 Jan 27 '22

Check out Tidal. Some bullet points from Wikipedia:

With distribution agreements with all three major record labels and many independent labels,[2] Tidal claims to provide access to more than 80 million tracks and 350,000 music videos.[3] It offers two levels of service: Tidal HiFi (up to CD quality – FLAC-based 16-bit/44.1 kHz) and Tidal HiFi Plus (up to MQA – typically lossy 24-bit/96 kHz). Tidal claims to pay the highest percentage of royalties to music artists and songwriters within the music streaming market.[4]

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u/Balls_of_Adamanthium Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It’s funny how people in the far right are clowning Neil Young like he was deluded in thinking he was gonna be chosen over Rogan. Hum no. He made a conscious choice knowing the consequences. Neil Young net worth is over 200 million. They’re too dumb to understand why one of the iconic musicians of our time doesn’t wanna share the same platform with one of the biggest source of misinformation in the nation.

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u/couldnt_careless Jan 27 '22

Neil's decision will cost him hundreds of dollars!

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u/drstrangelove75 Jan 27 '22

I mean just look at some of the Twitter replies. Some of these people clearly have no idea who Neil Young is nor do they understand his legacy or his fan base. All they focus on is follower numbers and Neil’s age which is frankly absurd. These idiots don’t understand the effect this could have on Spotify’s reputation if other artists follow. Obviously we’ll have to wait and see, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Young’s music returns at some point.

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u/TropicalHotDogNite Jan 26 '22

Exactly. The guy held out on Spotify for a long time and he absolutely doesn't need the money. He's just standing on principle, which must be infuriating to these ulterior-motive-types.

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u/Balls_of_Adamanthium Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Yep. And you know what? He’s not playing the victim like some people on the other side would do. They can learn something from him (as in freedom of choice doesn’t mean freedom of consequences with vaccines), but I doubt they will.

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u/GluttonAsteroth Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Also they are going to act like he "Lost Money"

Neil Young is doing just fine fiscally... Most normal humans could live the rest of their lives on 2 million dollars and young has 100x that.

He's fine

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

I can't wait for them to use the phrase "get woke, go broke" while talking about a man who made a 50-year music career specifically by being "woke"

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u/ProverbialShoehorn Jan 27 '22

They've probably already played Neil Young at a rally or two. These are the people that listen to Rage Against the Machine unironically.

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u/jaspersgroove Jan 27 '22

Singing along to “keep on rocking in the free world” while completely ignoring the content of the lyrics being a flagrant callout of consumer culture and mocking Bush Sr’s “thousand points of light” rhetoric

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u/SuperFLEB Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

That, Fortunate Son, and Born in the USA-- it's beyond the question of "Do they even read the lyrics?" At this point, the reasonable question is "By now, why aren't these on a list every campaign manager has with 'NEVER PLAY THESE, YOU'LL LOOK CLUELESS AND IT'LL BE IRONIC' at the top?"

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u/confessionbearday Jan 27 '22

Because the manager knows the base they’re trying to bring in are colossally uncultured failures who don’t actually know any other music.

Makes it hard for them to hit those “nostalgia notes” that make grandpa harder than Chinese algebra and sends him running to the voting booth to yank the lever for fascism.

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u/CritterEnthusiast Jan 27 '22

"Why is Neil Young suddenly getting political?!" lmao

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u/eleetpancake Jan 27 '22

"I miss when Neil Young made apolitical songs named after states."

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u/Lost4468 Jan 27 '22

Why are video games so political these days? What happened to the apolitical classics like Fallout, Bioshock, etc?

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u/goodolarchie Jan 27 '22

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming...

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u/distilledwill Jan 27 '22

The title is a bit misleading, didn't Young ASK to have his music taken down due to Rogan's covid misinformation? So it's not like they are squashing criticism of the Joe Rogan podcast, it's what Young requested.

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