r/news Aug 18 '22 Silver 1 Wholesome 1

Sex between men, not skin contact, is fueling monkeypox, new research suggests

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna43484
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u/Boner_Elemental Aug 18 '22

I can't imagine what it was like during the first AIDs outbreaks when no one knew what was going on for sure

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u/brumac44 Aug 18 '22

As a child of the eighties, I hope they don't make the same mistakes. It wasn't just a gay disease, it ripped through intravenous drug users, blood transfusion patients, and spouses of closeted/bisexual men before we knew wtf was happening. The news reports now are eerily reminiscent of those back then.

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u/plzThinkAhead Aug 18 '22

The movie The Cure was an absolutely heartbreaking story about a young boy who got aids through a transfusion.

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u/Ignonym Aug 18 '22

Isaac Asimov got it that way too, and left instructions that his cause of death not be published until ten years after the fact, predicting (largely correctly) that the stigma would have died down by then.

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u/Josquius Aug 18 '22

I'm not sure how I think about this.

On the one hand it maybe helped his reputation and ensured his books kept selling and bringing an income for his family.

But on the other it could have served well for getting the message out that this wasn't just a gay disease. Could be useful to take this swing against homophobia in scifi fandom.

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u/Vladivostokorbust Aug 18 '22

Ryan White, a hemophiliac was already the poster child for HIV transmission through blood transfusions by the time Asimov died, Ryan died two years earlier in 1990, at the age of 19. the whole world watched his gradual demise through the ’80’s.

While even existing to this day, Ryan’s saga significantly reduced the stigma before Asimov passed away

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u/whateverathrowaway00 Aug 18 '22

Sure sure, but he’s also an innocent guy who got it from a transfusion. He gets to decide that he doesn’t want his death cause to be used for public opinion changing. That’s more than within his right. Not disagreeing with you, just saying I don’t think any part of it is fair to put on him.

If it’s relevant (as it sometimes seems to be these days), I am a gay man with HIV.

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u/have_you_eaten_yeti Aug 18 '22

The popular opinion would have been that he was just very closeted. It was a different time and attitudes were very very different. Hell the use of gay slurs was so common that they are in the original Bill and Ted movie. Pretty sure I remember hearing them on broadcast television. We really have come a long way in my lifetime, only to see some of it getting pulled back recently, damn life is strange.

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u/Daveyhavok832 Aug 18 '22

Yeah, look at Magic Johnson. People still say this about him in the year 2022. There’s still a huge stigma with this disease.

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u/have_you_eaten_yeti Aug 18 '22

Exactly. Also, even celebrities didn't have the reach back then they do these days with social media, so their ability to push their own narrative or push back against slanders was small. There were limited sources of information and they were tightly controlled. Asimov would have been painted as a closeted writer, just like so many others that came before him.

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u/celestiaequestria Aug 18 '22

It was the era where you were either gay or lying about it, no in-between.

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

My mothers best friend has birth complications. Her first born son had to get a blood transfusion as an infant. He was infected with HIV and has had to battle it his entire life. It never formed into AIDS but imagine having a deadly disease just hanging at bay.

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u/Fraun_Pollen Aug 18 '22

The Normal Heart is also a very harrowing movie that goes through the AIDS epidemic and how it terrified and ostracized the gay community. Highly recommend.

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u/tierneyb Aug 18 '22

Upvote and a comment to say this movie still holds up and is absolutely worth a watch! Great film.

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u/rckrusekontrol Aug 18 '22

How you dare you mention that movie I was doing just fine not thinking about that damn shoe thing

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u/CBalsagna Aug 18 '22

I had heart surgery in ‘88 when I was a young boy. My parents were really concerned about this and made sure any blood was given by family

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u/ColdRedLight Aug 18 '22

"and the band played on"

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u/ACartonOfHate Aug 18 '22

The full version, not the truncated one.

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u/starmartyr Aug 18 '22

There were also people claiming that Aids was a good thing because it was God's punishment for homosexuality. They actively tried to hinder any efforts to find a cure or limit the spread of the disease.

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u/Stonewall_Gary Aug 18 '22

"It's only hitting blue states."

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u/HereOnASphere Aug 18 '22

They actively tried to hinder any efforts to find a cure

Including Ronald Reagan.

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u/AdkRaine11 Aug 18 '22

Check out Mike Pence’s response. He did what he could.

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u/mollymuppet78 Aug 18 '22

Well...he had Mother to consider.

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u/willstr1 Aug 18 '22

To be fair a lot of fundamentalists say that about any terrible thing that happened to anyone other than them or their family. Hurricane hits Florida, it's cause all the gays at spring break. Terrorists attack the world trade center, gods punishment for them gays.

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u/ennuiui Aug 18 '22

My dad told me he believed AIDS to be a punishment from god for homosexuality. This was in the late 80s, a couple years after we learned that my sister and her child had AIDS. She got it via sex with an IV drug user and passed it to her child in the womb. If I hadn't already been an athiest at this point, this kind of thinking would have pushed me there.

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u/ablackwashere Aug 18 '22

Yeah, will never forget the tow plane sign over an 80's pride parade with "AIDS IS GOD'S PUNISHMENT" on it. Idiots.

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u/Sandpaper_Pants Aug 18 '22

And then when a non gay conservative got aids, nobody would believe they weren't gay. The world became exactly what they made it. Shitty.

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u/clampie Aug 18 '22

The media and CDC made it sound like a disease that white heterosexual women easily get.

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u/poopmuskets Aug 18 '22

I’d bet heterosexual men are less likely then heterosexual women to get it, because bisexual men don’t have sex with straight guys.

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u/Friday-Cat Aug 18 '22

It actually wasn’t spreading to the straight community via bisexual men in any significant way. That was a very effective propaganda campaign that was put forward by certain gay rights activists to make straight people take the aids crisis seriously. Most bisexual people are monogamous. The rumours did scare straight people into action but they also spurred several decades of hatred towards bisexual people

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u/Stripe_Bot Aug 18 '22

Those who control the media will spin their narrative. I am terrified for our gay friends and family because all it takes is one dumbass to watch some media story (Fuck you FOXNews) and I expect violence towards them to increase.

Please be safe friends.

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u/hitlerosexual Aug 18 '22

Even if it is just "a gay disease," wtf does that matter!?! Just because it affects a minority population means we shouldnt give a shit? All things are interconnected and ignoring stuff because it doesn't directly effect us is going to get us all killed.

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u/therealzue Aug 18 '22

Exactly. I think we can look at what is going on, recognize it is mostly hitting men who have sex with men and then the next logical step is to throw all the support we can at the gay community. Looking at the current stats and being more worried about stigma is the wrong priority. We need to get a ton of vaccines where they need to go fast and support the people who got sick.

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u/EmperorPenguinNJ Aug 18 '22

You hit it on the head. Between different attitudes towards homosexuality in the 80s and a Republican led government, the reaction was largely between “who cares” and “let the homos die”. Until, of course, non-homosexuals we’re dying.

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u/iamiqed Aug 18 '22

I remember, but AIDS killed about a third of the people that got it in the 80s. And if you watch the movie Philadelphia back then you could many times tell somebody had AIDS even if they didn't tell you

With monkeypox from the description it seems like a flu with a rash and lasts about a month. Seems one could recoup at home (or even the hospital) and most won't ever know they evee had it

It's like comparing skin cancer to a pimple

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u/tes_kitty Aug 18 '22

With monkeypox from the description it seems like a flu with a rash and lasts about a month.

It can be very painful and require powerfull painkillers. Also, you can end up with vision problems or even blind of the lesions form in or near the eyes. So for some people it can be a month they will never get over.

It's not HIV, but still something you really want to avoid.

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u/jdith123 Aug 18 '22

Correction. Until AZT and the effective medications came in, AIDS killed everyone who got it. Some lasted long enough to be saved by the medication. We are just now seeing a few real cures. For most people, (with access to health care) AIDS is now a chronic disease.

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u/blindchickruns Aug 18 '22

But it's the gay community, and whether we like it or not, AIDS still a thing. The last thing an HIV positive person wants is something that could hit his or her immune system the wrong way. Then all hell could break loose.

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u/Agent__Caboose Aug 18 '22

Well as long as they keep things updated that reminiscence can just be a coincidence. For example in all of Belgium there is only one confirmed case of a woman who has gotten the virus. All the others are men.

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u/PETNman Aug 18 '22

I mean even the title is skewed. If you read the article, it makes it clear it’s not just that. All they had to add was primarily or any other synonym and it clears that shit up. We need to hold the media more accountable, especially reputable ones. Jesus. I remember when you could watch the news and it meant something. The age of the internet, Fox News and click metrics have fucked everything up that News is supposed to represent. This is why we are here today. It won’t get any better until our society passes legislation to hold these dickheads accountable for brainwashing a significant portion of our society.

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u/have_you_eaten_yeti Aug 18 '22

I don't know, the cynical part of me wants to say that "the news" was always about control and manufacturing consent, but that might be skewed by the depressing times we live in.

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u/Fizzicyst Aug 18 '22

Nobody wanted to touch the issue outside the gay community. CDC was no fucking help because they knew the Reagan administration and Congress wouldn't give them the funding because the religious nuts were saying that it was "god's judgement on the gay community". And sadly, most heterosexual people didn't care because it didn't affect them.

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u/woolfonmynoggin Aug 18 '22

If anyone hasn’t seen And the Band Played On, it’s a great movie that covers what happened. It’s an HBO movie I think with a huge star studded cast

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u/Fizzicyst Aug 18 '22

Great movie.

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u/SilverCustomer779 Aug 18 '22

Normal heart is amazing too

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u/Grouchy_Occasion2292 Aug 18 '22

Forget that straight people also shunned people who were straight and married who got it from a variety of situations including a child. So it affected them and they just ignored those people.

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u/The_bookworm65 Aug 18 '22

My sister had it (and died from it). A pharmacist once told her that they don’t carry that medicine because they didn’t have “those kind of people here.” She told him in a stern tone that she was raped. (Actually her boyfriend was a drug user.) I’m afraid we haven’t learned enough from those days.

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u/headzoo Aug 18 '22

Members of the gay community weren't helping either. Their sexual revolution had only just begun and no one wanted the party to end. Leaders in the community initially downplayed the dangers because didn't want to cause a panic. Community members with AIDS were ostracised, and people like Gaëtan Dugas were also floating around. He knew he had AIDS but kept having unprotected sex because YOLO.

Your recollection of the CDC isn't entirely accurate. Reagan cut their funding (and every other federal organizations funding) before AIDS hit. Which left only a handful of researchers in the organization investigating AIDS, and departments within the org were unwilling to help because they were cash strapped. (And it was a "gay disease.") Funding to the CDC increased year after year exponentially once AIDS was recognized by the medical community, but congress only allocates funds once a year so the CDC's initial monetary needs were slow to come.

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u/duogemstone Aug 18 '22

To be fair most of the time that Dugas had it he was told it was a type of cancer and everyone knew you cant catch cancer from sex. The problem with aids is for most of the 80s no one really knew what the hell was going on or was 100% postive on how you got it all they new for sure was it ran though the gay communitys and that was enough for most people not to care.

Sidebar i am not old enough to know what happened then (born in the 80s though) and not gay nor study gay history just a Freddie fan and yeah his story for better or worse will always be tied to it

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u/gekigarion Aug 18 '22

It didn't affect them yet because the transmission rate is low, but it's still possible. The more it spreads, the higher the risk some straight person would become at risk for it.

So ignoring it isn't exactly in straight people's best interests.

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u/GurthNada Aug 18 '22

This is not about sexual orientation but about transmission mode. Narrowing down the most important transmission modes is key to efficiently mitigate propagation.

Gay and straight people in monogamous relationship have the exact same risk of catching monkeypox.

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u/TheyStealUrTaxMoney Aug 18 '22

It was exactly like this plus COVID. It was the same politicians and administrators. Kind of scary again.

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u/_Dancing_Potato Aug 18 '22

This thread is doing a really good job of replicating the spread of bullshit that happened.

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u/A_Real_Phoenix Aug 18 '22

I'm a gay man in my mid 20s and I feel so sad inside whenever I consider what older LGBT men had to deal with back then :( I feel it's very important to remember where we came from so that we don't take what we have for granted

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u/Painty_The_Pirate Aug 18 '22

This is the problem with operating in the dark. Now that the gays can finally come forward and be honest about who they are without being shunned by society, we can catch these things early. Not being homophobic as a society is a big win for society, and shunning the gays is bad for the rest of us. If gay culture today was as closeted as it was in the 80s, everyone would have caught this disease from their closeted husband or dad already.

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u/Boylego Aug 18 '22

Remember kids, always wear a condom, even if you're both the same sex

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u/GoArray Aug 18 '22 Wholesome

Solid advice, I'm actually wearing one right now!

I'm not having sex, with any of the sexes but I'm ready gosh darn it!

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u/Drpoofn Aug 18 '22

He's a little confused, but he's got the spirit!

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u/PETNman Aug 18 '22

Victory loves preparation and readiness.

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u/catsloveart Aug 18 '22

so does luck

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u/propolizer Aug 18 '22

He's got the touch!

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u/TheBerethian Aug 18 '22

He's got the power!

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u/not_aquarium_co-op Aug 18 '22

Oh crap people just leave them on? I usually just keep mine in my wallet like a shitty collectors item

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u/fuckondeeeeeeeeznuts Aug 18 '22

Of course. Didn't they teach you how to put one on and tell you not to keep it in your wallet?

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u/AngryTank Aug 18 '22

I’ve had 2 expire in my wallet, surely I’ll get to use the 3rd one!

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u/Starlightriddlex Aug 18 '22

Of course! It's convenient because when you have to pee you just go and tie it up like a water balloon. Then put on a new one.

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u/MedicalUnprofessionl Aug 18 '22

How do you keep it.. you know what nevermind.

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u/Bison256 Aug 18 '22

That won't protect you from monkey pox.

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u/priceQQ Aug 18 '22

Important for protecting against some STI’s — not sufficient for pox viruses, which are spread non-sexually too.

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u/drethnudrib Aug 18 '22

Like, always always? It's kind of difficult to keep on when I'm not hard.

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u/Impressive_Narwhal Aug 18 '22

That's why you just keep it in your bum

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u/dak4f2 Aug 18 '22

Great advice, always wear a condom. Yes! That doesn't always stop monkeypox. There are men in the monkeypox subreddit that are getting it after using condoms.

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u/SSDGM24 Aug 18 '22

What about lesbians? Asking for a friend.

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u/Eszrah Aug 18 '22

Just for a while. don't kiss the homies goodnight.

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u/Prestigious_Ad1041 Aug 18 '22

Gonna be tough.

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u/Fair-Bug775 Aug 18 '22

Two weeks of no kissing the homies to stop the spread

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u/sakurakhadag Aug 18 '22

Flatten the curve

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u/Appropriate_Ad4615 Aug 18 '22

Articles like this one just want to straighten it.

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u/boogiesm Aug 18 '22 Silver

It’s accurate according to Ca Dept of public health: https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Monkeypox-Data.aspx 97% Males 86% Gay

I say get the facts to the community that needs it.

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u/spvcebound Aug 18 '22

Thank you. It's not offensive to state the statistics and inform those who are most likely to be affected. Yes, not EVERY case is transmitted via sex, but obviously the vast majority are

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u/Romanian_ Aug 18 '22

Stating statistics gets you banned on a couple subreddits

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u/Frickenfrog18 Aug 18 '22

r/science is one of them for this topic.

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u/Stegasaurous11 Aug 18 '22

r/science can statistically suck my nuts and get monkey pox and I am a scientist

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u/CouchRadish Aug 18 '22

That sub is too busy upvoting threads about how conservatives are big dum-dums. New age phrenology truly is a wonderful thing.

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u/mentive Aug 18 '22

Thats almost all of reddit.

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u/Human-Clock2530 Aug 18 '22

Thanks for this. I'm not gay but this data is important

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u/budgefrankly Aug 18 '22

The problem with calling it a male gay disease is:

Some straight people are still getting it, so you need to be careful not to build complacency.

Second, it may make it seem that gay people are high risk carriers. In reality, with a male population of 162m, and a gay male population of 4.86m (3% of total) then even if every single infection was in a gay man, 99.7% of gay men still would be infection free.

Let’s not forget a year or two ago when American-born citizens guilty of looking vaguely Asian were being beaten in the street by self-declared Covid patriots

In a world with no shortage of reactionary idiots I can understand the need for careful messaging.

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u/fxn Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22 Gold

The vast majority of people and institutions are not calling it a "male gay disease" though, they are just saying the primary vector of infection is gay sex, or in this article's case, unprotected sex.

Second, it may make it seem that gay people are high risk carriers. In reality, with a male population of 162m, and a gay male population of 4.86m (3% of total) then even if every single infection was in a gay man, 99.7% of gay men still would be infection free.

That isn't evidence for how gay people aren't high risk carriers. Almost all the infected are gay men and the super-spreader events coincide with LGBT festivals and gay sex clubs. CDC estimates 1.7 million gay and bisexual men face highest risk from monkeypox.

The WHO's monkeypox expert, Rosamund Lewis, said men who have sex with men are the group at the highest risk of infection right now. About 99% of cases are among men, and at least 95% of those patients are men who have sex with men, Lewis said.

COVID is over so I guess we're not believing the CDC and WHO anymore when it's ideologically inconvenient?

Let’s not forget a year or two ago when American-born citizens guilty of looking vaguely Asian were being beaten in the street by self-declared Covid patriots

You know who is going to be mad when they get monkey pox because we were all too busy pretending gay sex isn't the primary vector of transmission? Or are too worried or offended on behalf of gay men to do something about it? Everyone else.

In a world with no shortage of reactionary idiots I can understand the need for careful messaging.

The messaging has been consistent from the start: non-monogamous gay men who have frequent sex are at high-risk and the primary vector of transmission. The response to the messaging has been to collectively bury our heads in the sand and obfuscate the messaging (it can't just be gay men, 4 children got monkey pox...). We're too busy trying to say it's not gay men, while more and more gay men get infected, and to appear concerned to actually try to prevent this, off the back of "trust the science" COVID-times no less.

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u/rose1983 Aug 18 '22

I’m gay and I’m shaking my head at the responses. It’s completely idiotic.

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u/JeffreyElonSkilling Aug 18 '22

Some straight people are still getting it, so you need to be careful not to build complacency.

I really hate this attitude from public health officials. It's basically lying for "righteous" reasons, just like what happened with Covid.

No, monkeypox is not a "gay" disease - it's a virus. But it's pants-on-head ridiculous to pretend like everyone is equally at risk. If you do not have sex with men your risk of contracting monkeypox is basically zero. I can provide multiple studies from prestigious medical journals to back up this fact. Not impossible - but analogous to contracting herpes from a toilet seat.

Public health officials should stick to the facts. Let scientists be scientists and politicians be politicians. When they start to put spin on the ball they cease to be public health officials and their opinions can be discarded as such.

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u/LostInIndigo Aug 18 '22

I also think it’s worth mentioning that in most places, you’re not able to access testing easily unless you’re a gay AMAB who has casual sex at least once a week with a different partner-so it’s kinda like the whole “COVID went away, we promise” thing the CDC is trying to pull by limiting COVID testing and tracking.

There have actually been a lot of other types of people popping up with it, and there’s evidence in NYC that it’s spreading among kids at schools to some degree, but getting tested is much harder right now if you’re not a queer AMAB.

It’s also fucked because these requirements for testing and vaccines throw trans men and bi folks under the bus, as well as the partners of gay men who are less sexually active-none of them are able to meet the requirements for free easy-access testing in many cities.

I’m foreseeing a situation where all of a sudden it’s a huge issue, because they weren’t tracking it properly and they were only focusing on AMABs who sleep with other AMABs casually and frequently-just like HIV, by the time they admit it affects everyone, it will be so much worse than it should have been.

I have no issue with folks talking about which populations are getting hit the hardest, but aggressively excluding everyone else from easy access testing seems like a really dumb mistake.

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u/hey_its_drew Aug 18 '22

That’s something you address secondarily. Focusing on it mainly spreading through sex first, then addressing that it is a particular epidemic in the gay community of such and such area. Presenting the information the way they have creates a stigma where people will have it and not acknowledge it because of what they think it says about them, while also misleading about the root of the contagion.

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u/pleonastician Aug 18 '22

Sort of ironic the reddit left will cry science denialism, appeal to prejudice, etc. for the right then do the same shit when the data goes contrary to their emotionally charged beliefs.

That’s not irony. It’s hypocrisy.

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u/Sydney_Gamer Aug 18 '22

There’s a small subsection of the left that deny facts and justify it as a prophylaxis against right wing hatred. Ironically, this denial is what flames the hatred.

Most of the left aren’t this level of dumbass and understand that stating facts (even if it means “a thing is caused by X minority”) is the best way to proceed.

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u/Crethusela Aug 18 '22

Wasn’t this widely known from the British NHS data like two weeks ago? Weren’t gay activists calling out the CDC for refusing to acknowledge this like two weeks ago too?

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u/MaliceTheMagician Aug 18 '22

The NHS website says its not strictly an Std also there's dispute on how bullshit this article is aparently.

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u/Crethusela Aug 18 '22

I mean covid vaccines don’t strictly prevent covid but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get one. There aren’t many absolutes in medical science but we can recognize general trends if we are honest adults

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u/wellwhal Aug 18 '22

How are they fucking with no skin contact?

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u/ElevenSleven Aug 18 '22

Dam sailors! These seamen need to relax and stop being such strong spreaders.

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u/SlenDman402 Aug 18 '22

Don't blame us, we've always gone from port to port

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u/aroach1995 Aug 18 '22

Thanks for taking time to write this, but trust me they don’t care. They will intentionally miss the point until the end of the earth because they immediately dismiss the entire body of information as an attack on gays.

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u/GsTSaien Aug 18 '22

It is a treacherous topic to navigate. This virus IS being used to spread hate against men who have sex with men, and anything supporting its reputation as a "gay virus" is extremely detrimental to everyone. It isn't gay sex that spreads monkeypox, it is sex. (And skin contact, but this evidence says semen is stronger)

A lot of that sex is gay because gay men have a lot of sex, this does not mean that specifically gay sex is the vector.

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u/Isord Aug 18 '22

Anal sex spreads HIV more readily than vaginal or oral sex. Not that gay men are the only people having anal sex of course but that is part of the reason it tends to spread more readily amongst MSM populations. Also there is a subset of MSM (me included) that are extremely promiscuous, way more than average. I bet if you could narrow in on the Grindr crowd it would be our population that is far and away most heavily impacted, even more so than MSM as a whole.

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u/Fizzicyst Aug 18 '22

Magic gay sex?

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u/LineChef Aug 18 '22

I’m listening...

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u/butt_toids Aug 18 '22

Dance magic

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u/Asturis_the_DM Aug 18 '22

You remind me of the babe

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u/Wicked_Fabala Aug 18 '22

What babe?

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u/Asturis_the_DM Aug 18 '22

The babe with power

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u/butt_toids Aug 18 '22

What power

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u/Asturis_the_DM Aug 18 '22

The power of voodoo

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u/butt_toids Aug 18 '22

Hold my spot...while I get my over sized cod piece

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u/Grouchy_Occasion2292 Aug 18 '22

Clearly we are so fab us queers don't even have to touch to have sex.

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u/Miserable_Window_906 Aug 18 '22

How's reproduction coming? ducks

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u/MaxMischi3f Aug 18 '22

My brother in Christ stop making the ducks come.

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u/homostar_runner Aug 18 '22

The good Lord hasn't blessed me with a kid yet but I keep on trying

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u/FireOpalCO Aug 18 '22

The sex helmets from Demolition Man

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi Aug 18 '22

I remember the first time I watched this it was late, I was at a friends house sleeping over and I passed out. We were in love with Sandra Bullock the first time we saw her in that movie. “Who the fuck is that?”

Anyway, next morning I woke up and like any good horny 13 year old boy or lesbian I asked if there was a nude scene (using more crass language for sure).

So OF COURSE my friends told me there was a sex scene. I was so excited! So they showed me.

Motherfuckers.

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u/d_ippy Aug 18 '22

Glory hole?

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u/docmedic Aug 18 '22

No, this is saying if they wear condoms, it doesn’t likely spread, hence possibly ruling out skin contact as the primary driver. No one is having distance sex.

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u/dak4f2 Aug 18 '22

There are men in the monkeypox subreddit that are getting it after using condoms.

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u/docmedic Aug 18 '22

Right, that's why there are a bunch of conditional words in my statement (and the article).

Wearing a condom alone doesn't make it impossible to be infected, but it does knock out the "main driver" mode of infection, so presumably you would be less likely to be infected, if these researchers are correct.

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u/redux44 Aug 18 '22

Depends on use. Did they use it just for penetration but not for oral sex?

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u/neolib-cowboy Aug 18 '22

The big question is "how many"? I assume condom usage can decrease the likelihood of contracting the virus, but by how much? If condom usage can decrease your chances of contracting monkeypox by 50% during sex, that's still really good

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u/asdaaaaaaaa Aug 18 '22

Well yeah, wearing a condom doesn't guarantee zero transmission, it reduces it. Condoms can break, be put on/sized incorrectly, etc.

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u/RexRegulus Aug 18 '22

We use a direct mana tether.

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u/monospaceman Aug 18 '22

Remember it's oral too, not just anal penetration.

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u/Fit-Minimum-5507 Aug 18 '22

Edit: *UNPROTECTED* sex between men, not skin contact, is fueling monkey pox, new research suggests.

Why are we dancing around this issue? I don’t care who you bang. Wear protection!!!

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u/bukakenagasaki Aug 18 '22

The fact that so many people still refuse to wear condoms is the most baffling thing

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u/Bloodcloud079 Aug 18 '22

Plus, there’s plenty of other disease to catch this way, it is basically a permanent good message. Protect yourself folks.

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u/MRicho Aug 18 '22

Not surprised. So many men are happy to be on PreP and not use any other protection.

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u/SteelOliver Aug 18 '22

Can the community just do a No Nut November and reduce the numbers real quick?

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u/briinde Aug 18 '22

We need it earlier than that how about a No Semen September?

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u/SteelOliver Aug 18 '22

NNN just as a concept. Do that shit ASAP lol. No Anus August

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u/Macluawn Aug 18 '22

No Member September

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u/Dear-Painting8764 Aug 18 '22

Better name to make it rhyme better: Semen-less September

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u/Bjorn2bwilde24 Aug 18 '22

Wank me up when September ends.

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u/darko702 Aug 18 '22

I work in an ER. One patient knew he had monkey pox but still had sex with 5 more men.

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u/redux44 Aug 18 '22

Lol no shit. Cases were linked to gay orgy events. Not some conference involving hand shakes.

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u/ggbouffant Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22 Wearing is Caring

"92% identified as gay or bisexual men"

I mean do you think that's just a coincidence? Call it close contact, sex, whatever you want - it doesn't make a difference. There is clearly a trend here. Is it really homophobic to point this out?

Left-leaning people (myself included) shamed those who didn't wear masks or social distance themselves during the coronavirus pandemic. Where is that same energy?

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u/Eric_Partman Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Why are 86% of cases among gay people then? https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Monkeypox-Data.aspx

It also doesn’t say it’s “causing” monkey pox - that’s your word. It says it’s “fueling” it. Big difference and words matter.

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u/spvcebound Aug 18 '22

Sorry, but 92% identifying as gay men kinda says otherwise

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u/TheMania Aug 18 '22

The number reported last month was 99% between msm, is that number dropping/mpx leaving the demographic?

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u/Apprehensive-Hat-494 Aug 18 '22

To this point though, the community of MSM has a disproportionally high percentage of all monkeypox cases. Perhaps the angle of the article is wrong, but it seems a man who has sex exclusively with women is less likely to contract monkeypox.

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u/Grins111 Aug 18 '22

Time to enforce mask wearing….on the butt.

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u/Drpoofn Aug 18 '22

That sounds like underwear.

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u/Grins111 Aug 18 '22

True. I’m suprised people don’t complain that they are smothering their butt

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u/shoeposting Aug 18 '22

I don't breathe through my asshole, hbu?

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u/JockstrapCummies Aug 18 '22

If people don't breathe through their asshole then why are underwear constantly being marketed as "breathable"?

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u/pak9rabid Aug 18 '22

Check, mate

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u/someoneexplainit01 Aug 18 '22

To be fair, monogamous "gays" in LTR don't even show up in these statistics.

This is not a "gay" disease, this is a STD for people with multiple sexual partners.

Just stop the orgies, gay or straight, until this gets under control and everyone can calm down.

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u/Rol3ino Aug 18 '22

Obviously gay people in a long term relationship don’t get it because they’re not having sex with someone who could have it. You can still get it while dating though, a long term relationship doesn’t just pop into existence without prior partners.

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u/someoneexplainit01 Aug 18 '22

Yeah, but dating generally means getting to know someone, not fucking 10 minutes after meeting them for the first time. That's what's driving this outbreak.

I mean, seriously, its treatable, so if you hit it off with someone you could just delay sex until it clears up and both could get vaccinated and it wouldn't be a big deal in terms of a potential long term relationship where connection is far more important, and intimacy is more than just sex.

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u/SubversiveLogic Aug 18 '22

I'm confused as to why people demanded that everybody change their lives and routines to "stop" COVID, yet anyone telling gay men to change their behavior is attacked as homophobic

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u/anothercar Aug 18 '22

The CDC has a ton of information on how to change behavior to prevent the spread of monkeypox. https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/sexualhealth/index.html

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

How did the dog catch it then? 👀

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u/hwnn1 Aug 18 '22

This article shows how terrified public health officials are to say the truth, or to push for any semblance of personal responsibility (as we have been told for years with COVID).

Ultimately, this silence will just hurt the LGBT community, specifically MSM.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/18/nyregion/nyc-monkeypox-health-department-information-inaccurate.html

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u/mikeyb1 Aug 18 '22

Not all skin contact is sex but all sex is skin contact. Sooo......

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u/daitoshi Aug 18 '22

If you read the article, it says that semen is a strong vector of the virus.

So, unprotected sex in which semen is exchanged is the method of transmission, not sex with skin contact

So, wearing a condom or other technique to avoid getting any ejaculate on your partner (Gloved handjob?) would reduce transmission.

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u/mikeyb1 Aug 18 '22

(Gloved handjob?)

Don't tempt me with a good time.

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u/lifesalotofshit Aug 18 '22

After aids, idk why any gay person would be having unsafe sex. Jeez.

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u/solarsalmon777 Aug 18 '22 Helpful

Hmm, this evidence doesn't fit our existing ideological presumptions, what should we do with it?

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u/BossOfTheGame Aug 18 '22

Do what Carl Sagan would do. Accept reality as it is, not as we wish it to be.

It's crazy that people seem to think that acknowledging that there is a statistical significant correlation between men who have sex with men and monkey pox (but not overwhelmingly to the point where they are the only significant population effected) is in someway homophobic.

At the same time people are using this to justify homophobia, and that's a problem.

Then it seems like people think that just because someone mentions one of these problems that they aren't aware of the other... and maybe that's true in some cases.

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '22

Do what Carl Sagan would do. Accept reality as it is, not as we wish it to be.

Agreed.

Now let me tell you how much karma I lost by saying over the past few years that covid is never going away. No one seems to want to hear that. Particularly almost 3 years ago.

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u/Cardio-fast-eatass Aug 18 '22

Scrutinize the science to an excessive degree obviously. We "trust the science", but only when it's convenient around here. If the science says something I don't agree with it's because the scientists are wrong, not me.

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u/mclennon27 Aug 18 '22

Science for thee, not for me.

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u/BATHTUBSURFER Aug 18 '22

But we are not shutting down the sex clubs for 2 weeks to flatten the curve?

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u/meanjake Aug 18 '22

Well there go my weekend plans

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u/JimJalinsky Aug 18 '22

What are they saying about how dogs are getting money pox?

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u/Cunninghams_right Aug 18 '22

"much less of a risk factor"

that does not mean zero.

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u/butt_toids Aug 18 '22 Silver Wholesome

Lipstick to Lipstick contact

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u/px7j9jlLJ1 Aug 18 '22

This comment, officer.

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u/yell-loud Aug 18 '22

Why are you acting like the title says only instead of fueling? I’m sick of these bad faith takes on each of the monkeypox threads

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u/Responsible_Sea3649 Aug 18 '22

People misunderstanding Covid and on both sides of the debate was frustrating enough. People are so dumb.

Reframe this in terms of gambling do many people believe it is impossible to win? No. Do many people believe all the winners are part of some grander scheme/hoax? Also no.

But statistics and risk when it comes to health and transmission on diseases? Doesn't compute.

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u/iBeFloe Aug 18 '22

Well that one case was probably bodily fluids since the gay couple was in an open relationship with other people & used to same bed… that the dog slept in

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u/thestrizzlenator Aug 18 '22

I thought that was already known?

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u/abravenewworld_ Aug 18 '22

So can I go back to fucking Pangolins yet, or what?

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u/Lemur718 Aug 18 '22

But these facts don't fit my narrative !

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u/no_moving_parts Aug 18 '22

Yeah maybe take, like, oh I don't know... two weeks off.

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u/FrostyWarning Aug 18 '22

You know, two weeks to flatten the curve.

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u/jawshoeaw Aug 18 '22

I got warned by big Reddit for spreading hate speech for saying almost the exact same thing , might want to watch it .

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