I recently rewatched the Incredibles since I was a kid. It hit me HARD watching that opening because legit I could see that whole suit happening, especially since his neck got broken? There's a reason we need those laws and it's sad.
And while there are countless factors that can contribute to one’s wish to take his or her own life, the ultimate decision is often an impulsive one. Kevin Hines, who survived a leap from the Golden Gate Bridge, has famously said that in the moments after he jumped, he regretted his suicide attempt.
That's what we know from the ones that survived and got attention. We will never know about the others that didn't survive or are now suffering from mental illness and physical problems after their attempt.
It's a decision that should be only in hands of the person making it. And regret and consequences is a big part of making decisions.
Then the issue here is getting people the mental and physical healthcare they need, not to facilitate their suicides. If the majority of survivors regret their decision then that clearly reflects on people who didn't survive.
The article also talks about a change in brain chemistry that occurs when many people attempt their suicide. They're clearly in an unhealthy mental state when making the big choice and people who can hold off those urges often don't have the urge even a few minutes later.
But that's the point. One thing if people are not able to get the care they need but clearly want. Other thing is when people either don't want to get help or if it didn't help.
We can say that we don't want machines keeping us alive but we can't say that we don't want to end our life.
As someone who survived a suicide I wish I didn't get safed. And I can guarantee you that this majority we know of doesn't cover everyone.
And again. It should be a decision that people make on their own and regret and consequences are a part of it.
Because if you don’t say that, then you can be committed against your will to a hospital. I spent a week against my will in in patient psych. Since that experience, you’ve never met anyone more anti suicide than me.
I very much understand the current broken state of mental healthcare, well atleast in the US. I've had close family go through the system and it sucked.
But that said, this article is talking about changes to brain chemistry and immediate reactions from people who had various suicide attempts. Their stances are not about avoiding institutions.
It would only work if the people that were regretful were the only ones that survived. More specifically, it would be the regret that would cause their survival. Since many of those regretful people did attempt very dangerous methods of suicide (not selecting intentionally non/less-lethal options) and them surviving was a truly unlikely dice roll, thats not the case.
Not arguing here because I’m happy to learn when I’m wrong and get it right.
It would only work if the people that were regretful were the only ones that survived.
This doesn’t make sense to me because it implies the bias has to be 100% perfect. It doesn’t.
The thing being measured is regret. This can’t be measured in the non-surviving population, so we have incomplete data based solely on survivors. That’s the basis for the bias, right? This is analogous to the returning war planes.
More specifically, it would be the regret that would cause their survival.
I don’t see how you can have cause and effect here. But if so, wouldn’t the opposite be true? Survival caused regret.
Since many of those regretful people did attempt very dangerous methods of suicide (not selecting intentionally non/less-lethal options)
Regardless of method or success rate or level of determination, as long as we are only measuring survivors, there’s a bias in the data.
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u/LazarYeetMeta Aug 13 '21
They do now, but back when that opening sequence was supposed to take place, those laws didn’t exist, according to MatPat of Film Theory.