I mean you didn't need to be evaluated to be born. You didn't ask to be born. So why do you need to go through 10 exams & evaluations with input of other people's opinions, just to die?
Also that ideal world of yours sounds like a ton of fun lmao.
Because our actions have consequences for other people? Sure, you didn’t ask to be born, but the death of a loved one can destroy other people’s lives. It should be evaluated, if not for the person’s own best interest, the interests of other people who didn’t ask to experience incredible grief.
Depression isn’t terminal. The scenario isn’t “keep living in misery”, its “continue fighting depression”. Giving up on that fight and passing on your misery to innocent people who didn’t ask for it, same as you, is selfish. You didn’t ask for depression, of course, but neither did they ask for grief, which can cause depression.
That is strange, when I worked in a convalescent hospital it was fairly common for people to die of 'sadness" when they just gave up hope. Most were due to a spouse passing recently, but some were just because they realized they would never get better.
So far all you have said is that some people should suffer so that other people don't have to be sad. Apparently seeing someone so drugged up they are not really a person anymore is preferable to letting them actually pass on.
You can mourn someone who dies, but watching someone you care about become nothing like they person you knew also destroys your memories of them as you will always remember the way they lived when they are forced to become a drugged up zombie.
My opinion on the matter is specifically about depression. Terminal or incurable cases such as Alzheimer’s, I agree that euthanasia should be allowed. Don’t misrepresent me, or apply my reasoning in a case I didn’t state it for, like you do
but some were just because they realized they would never get better.
here, and
Apparently seeing someone so drugged up they are not really a person anymore is preferable to letting them actually pass on.
here, and
forced to become a drugged up zombie.
here. In fact, that last one is especially incorrect for cases of depression. Someone who is depressed does not act like “the way they lived”, and treatments help them maintain that, not simply maintain a vegetative state.
Honestly suprising how you can start by saying this
it was fairly common for people to die of ‘sadness” when they just gave up hope. Most were due to a spouse passing recently
Which recognizes the extreme effects grief has on people, but then call me selfish for saying that someone effected by something treatable, curable and non-terminal shouldn’t cause suffering on others so bad it might kill loved ones is astounding.
Where else in society is it allowed to cause suffering on (potentially many) people so bad it can kill people?
Well I will be sure to tell my cousins that we are incorrect about their mother's zombified state due the medication she is required to take for her depression. That her lifeless eyes and general lack of emotion in general must be caused by something else because some Redditor thinks that is preferable to her being allowed to end her misery. I will let them know that the fact that they will always remember her in this state and these memories will taint or destroy all their other ones of her is much better than the alternative because you have auch better understanding of what the drugs they force on those with severe depression do than those of us who have had to deal with it or witness it.
Now as for the points you used. Those who knew they would never get better were just old, no actual medical condition, just old and died of (you guessed it) depression according to the doctors.
Those with severe depression are given drugs that basically remove all emotion. No joy, no sadness, and no anger. They are little more than walking automatons.
And yeah, losing someone that is basically a part of you does cause huge amounts of grief. But by your reasoning those grieving people should have been forced to continue on because depression is not terminal even though that is what killed them... And to add to that, most of the people in a person's life are not that emotionally invested in them. It takes a life of being together almost all of the time to create such a bond, so please don't use their grief as vindication of your selfish point since you think they should have been forced to live with that sadness.
Maybe go spend some time in an actual mental hospital and see what type of life you say these people should be forced to live if they would rather die than live. Because I have been there and just working there made me depressed. I could not imagine being forced to live there because I did not want to live.
But it can be terminal. If someone is like that for 10 years, then what? 20? 30? 40? Who are we to get in their way of someone working at it for that long?
I understand the other side of it, it's just a shitty situation all around. Imo the person should have the choice of what to do without needing to jump through 10 hoops and have a terminal illness beforehand. Also some people don't have anyone that would be hurt by it. Of course, it's not the majority of cases, but it still sometimes applies. Others are keeping on living for one or a few people's sake, already, too.
Imo the person should have the choice of what to do without needing to jump through 10 hoops and have a terminal illness beforehand.
Imo, this mindset is horrible. People with depression do not think rationally. Their mind plays tricks on them, making things up like how no one would care that they’re gone and exaggerating negative aspects of their life to an extreme.
Its a mental illness, like any other. You wouldn’t trust the judgement of someone who’s clinically insane, why would you trust the judgement of how worthwhile someones life is from someone suffering an illness that specifically makes them think their life is terrible, and not worth living?
This is never guaranteed. You can bring up a hypothetical of “well if they tried everything and it didn’t work” but truth is you can’t try everything.
Things can change. And they do change for countless people. People who think their lives will never get better, and they have no doubt about wanting to commit suicide find that their lives do get better.
I don’t want to come off as unsympathetic to people suffering from depression, because I know its hard, and I know how much it destroys you and your life. With that said, to make the decision to stop fighting and end it is selfish. Its choosing to stop fighting a battle thats never completely lost to relieve your own suffering, while at the same time causing so much suffering on your loved ones. Its trading away not only any future happiness for yourself, but also choosing to cause suffering on people you know and care deeply about. You’d be hurting innocent people for your own personal, self-perceived, potential ”benefit”. If thats not selfish I don’t know what is.
Imagine someone contemplating suicide, and whos main sticking point is their family being sad they’re gone. Many people are in that situation. Now consider what your messaging would be saying to them. It would essentially try to rationalize suicide to that person who is aprehensive, telling them why the reason they aren’t committing suicide wrong or invalid. An argument for why someone who is at risk of suicide but isn’t currently going to should instead commit it. And thats dangerous.
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u/LezBeHonestHere_ Aug 13 '21
I mean you didn't need to be evaluated to be born. You didn't ask to be born. So why do you need to go through 10 exams & evaluations with input of other people's opinions, just to die?
Also that ideal world of yours sounds like a ton of fun lmao.