r/nottheonion Jul 28 '21

Ex-cop who stormed US Capitol is jailed after buying 37 guns and posting that 'violence' is better than 'peaceful protest' Removed - Not Oniony

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/capitol-insurrection-guns-stockpile-fired-cop/index.html
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u/logiclust Jul 28 '21

This cop on cop violence needs to stop

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u/SailorFuzz Jul 29 '21

well, obviously it's something to do with their culture or DNA. If these cops stopped listening to their fib fab music and glorifying violence maybe they would pull themselves up by their bootstraps. I mean, look at the Irish, amirite? They had it hard, but are they shooting eachother (in america, specifically)?

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u/Prematurid Jul 29 '21

The Irish have a tendency to get explodey when certain facets of their society get uppity.

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u/ComradeBlyat308 Jul 28 '21

I dunno, it's nice to give civilians a break from being targets for once.

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u/MadMaxIsMadAsMax Jul 29 '21

Especially unbleached ones.

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u/prefredreh Jul 29 '21

Damn. That was dark.

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u/Churlish_Turd Jul 29 '21

Cops in America are civilians

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u/LordBinz Jul 29 '21

How many civilians do you know that drive around in tanks, wearing full black tacticool armor and LMGs?

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u/estolad Jul 29 '21

several actually, this is an intensely, fundamentally fucked up country

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u/Jimbothemonkey Jul 29 '21

On paper, sure

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u/BrightGreyEyes Jul 29 '21

They don't consider themselves civilians

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u/Churlish_Turd Jul 29 '21

There’s the problem

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u/Harmacc Jul 28 '21

Despite making up 100% of cops, cops perpetrate 100% of all cop on cop violence.

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u/ctrlaltdonkey Jul 29 '21

It's a thin blue line.

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u/dbx99 Jul 29 '21

Maybe he figured some people in the capitol might be black

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u/AbrahamLemon Jul 28 '21

Nah, self solving problem.

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u/wwindexx Jul 29 '21

No it needs to ramp up until all cops are dead.

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u/CurlSagan Jul 28 '21

I know it's a very minor quibble, but I hate that he bought a prime number of guns. How dare he use a cool number for this.

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u/smegma_yogurt Jul 29 '21

Maybe he was just getting primed and ready

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u/SailorFuzz Jul 29 '21

get out.

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u/OozeNAahz Jul 29 '21

He figured that way they would never be divided.

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u/thenewunit16 Jul 29 '21

That's where you were both wrong. They were either going to be divided by himself, or another one. Looks like the other one got him this time.

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u/Chin-Chillian Jul 29 '21

Underrated comment right here 👏

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Maybe it's because he's also sucked 37 dicks.

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u/bobweaver3000 Jul 29 '21

in a row?

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Try not to suck any dick on the way to the parking lot!

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u/Wingnuttage Jul 29 '21

Hey where you going? Get back here!

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u/tomwilhelm Jul 29 '21

Came here looking for this exact string of quotes. Was not disappointed...

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u/Greymane68 Jul 29 '21

In a row?

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u/silgidorn Jul 29 '21

Thankfuly he bought a prime number of hangrenades and not a number of primed handgrenades.

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u/Whopraysforthedevil Jul 29 '21

I understand that prime numbers are super interesting, but 37 sounds gross to me. Give me something divisible by 5, or give me, well certainly not death, but maybe a certain amount of discomfort.

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u/dott2112420 Jul 29 '21

Bring me the "Comfy Chair"

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u/loser7500000 Jul 29 '21

What about, like, 28? All of its factors add up to 28

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u/Shipachek Jul 29 '21

It's because he's got primary school-level cognitive skills.

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u/dbx99 Jul 29 '21

If you can’t do the time then don’t do the prime

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u/badlyedited Jul 29 '21

He has cognitive dissonance.

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u/XVIILegioClassica Jul 29 '21

Optimal Prime?

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u/Chose_a_usersname Jul 29 '21

In a row!?

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u/KengPinky Jul 29 '21

Try not to buy any guns on the way to the parking lot!

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

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u/CzarCW Jul 29 '21

In a row?

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u/TheBokononInitiative Jul 29 '21

Clerks references are tight!

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u/97O_ Jul 29 '21

That’s the best Movie reference of all time. My hat is off to you

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u/Fuzzy_Instruction232 Jul 29 '21

Super easy, barely an inconvenience

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u/mattyb584 Jul 29 '21

He probably already owned 13 and wanted to make it to an even 50. :)

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u/greyarealife Jul 29 '21

I like you

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u/MyTwoTotroises Jul 29 '21

Yeah that photo definitely doesn't look like images from a raid on a prevented terrorist attack or anything. Move along.

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u/RobertusesReddit Jul 29 '21

I mean what image comes to mind when Americans think terrorist? Definitely not Domestic.

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u/Nickadeamus36 Jul 29 '21

Any American that was old enough to be cogent during the early 90s sure does think domestic. From the Unabomber, to the Atlanta Olympics, to Oklahoma City with Timothy McVeigh. The late 80s and early 90s were rife with domestic terrorists.

And then boomers sure remember the 70s with the Weather Underground.

I just turned 40 and my generation here in America grew up with domestic terror.

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u/daregulater Jul 29 '21

We definitely sure did... then towards the end of the 90s we get Columbine then not long after that, the DC sniper.

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u/RobertusesReddit Jul 29 '21

Was born in 95, only seen hatred to "blamed" countries taken part in 9/11, and never towards America's foreign policy and foreign business partners until I graduated only a few years ago.

I believe you with Domestic Terrorism, but you know....the Reagan years, War on Drugs, Crime Bill, and the Cold War. America was that guy who said everyone sucks except me (and they clearly are looking broken)....and we never changed. Ever.

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u/Nickadeamus36 Jul 29 '21

Oh I agree with all of that, I was 20 when 9/11 happened, old enough to watch the towers fall, and to watch all my friends immediately join the army.

But I also remember before that, I remember the hotbed of domestic terrorism we had, I remember the rise of the militia movements, and how they circled around Ruby Ridge, and Waco. The latter I was close enough to watch the compound burn in real time.

Americans were impregnated by a “patriotism” nationalism enema of bullshit after 9/11, and I watched some forget and buy into it, as I watched people grow up knowing only that. Many of us still remember what came before it though. And why.

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u/khinzaw Jul 29 '21

The overwhelming majority of the terror attacks we experience are domestic, and the idea that it isn't is a fabrication to further conservative agendas.

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u/Boomslangalang Jul 29 '21

The end of the Cold War was an amazing missed opportunity to course correct America. Instead the only lesson taken was Communism lost Capitalism is perfect.

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u/BxMnky315 Jul 29 '21

It's so much easier to blame others for OUR mistakes. As much hate and glares I get for saying this I will never stop:

9-11 was OUR fault. WE caused it to happen. Things like this event are the inevitable result of us destabilizing countries, with democratically elected officials mind you, for the last...... 60+ years? What the fuck did you expect to happen?

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 29 '21

Remember when everyone who was even vaguely brown was pressured to publicly denounce terrorism constantly or have the racist discrimination they were already facing get massively cranked up?

There is a police department that employed this guy for years. Do they have a statement about one of their former employees?

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u/iamfrombolivia Jul 29 '21

Just a tourist

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u/Lesmate101 Jul 29 '21

Don't be silly, he's an ex cop, not a terrorist. It says it right in the title.

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u/thescuderia07 Jul 29 '21

The headline makes it seem like he was previously a cop but wasnt on Jan 6. He was a cop on Jan 6. Hes only an ex-cop because of the Jan 6 related charges.

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u/tangerinesqueeze Jul 29 '21

Great detail. Thank you. What a fucking loon.

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u/ZucchiniUsual7370 Jul 29 '21

You know, if you sat one of these drooling mouthbreathers down and asked them what the fuck it is that would make them happy, they wouldn't have an answer at all.

What is it you're willing to engage in acts of violence for?

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u/reddog323 Jul 29 '21

They'll make noise about civil war. They have no idea just how bad that could get. All you need to do is look at Bosnia, Serbia, or Afghanistan to see what would be happening here.

I think we're going to be seeing a lot more guys like this arrested. That's fine with me. Local police and the FBI are getting really good at smoking these nutcases out.

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u/ambulancisto Jul 29 '21

Was in Bosnia in the war. This whole thing scares me deeply. The parallels are frightening. You have a large minority of people drinking Propaganda-brand Koolaid (then Serbian/Croatian state TV, here Fox and internet) that tells them bad people (Serbs/Croats/Muslims, here antifa/Muslims/blacks/democrats) are getting ready to wage war to oppress them or even wipe them out so they need to strike the first blow.

Their response then was exactly this guy: stock up on guns. "Do unto others before they do unto you". Read the stories by "Muslims" (Bosnian Muslims at the time saw Islam more as a family tradition than a religion. They were about the least Islamic Muslims on the planet) expelled from their homes: former friends, teachers, neighbors, relatives (lots of intermarriage) suddenly started calling them "Turks" and saying "you need to leave for your own good". The sense you get is one of complete shock and bewilderment. A guy told me he was into electronics and a Serbian friend brought back a soldering iron he had borrowed, telling him he needed to get out of town. He thought the guy was joking. He said "A month later I was making Molotov cocktails" (the Serbs vastly outgunned the Bosnians, who were scrambling to get whatever kind of weapons they could to defend themselves).

I fear that the division in American society is now too deep and we will inevitably fracture as a country. Whether that will be violently or not I don't know. But you can't undo this, because the media propoganda machin that feeds people these delusions of persecution and impending destruction of their way of life is not going anywhere. It will continue until the pot they stir is boiling over. The Jan 6 was just a foretaste. When Donald Trump's spiritual successor is elected, which will inevitably happen-someone much smarter and far more wedded to the right wing ideology than a reality TV grifter, like Matt Gaetz- then things will get bad. All it will take is a president filling federal law enforcement,intelligence agencies and the senior military posts with cronies and the next time it won't be a mob of morons, it will be a presidential-backed "militia" storming congress and maybe "arresting" governors and other state and local government officials who are insufficiently conservative.

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u/iamfrombolivia Jul 29 '21

someone much smarter and far more wedded to the right wing ideology than a reality TV grifter

Someone smarter than Trump? That's a pretty low bar.

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u/Ok-Captain-3512 Jul 29 '21

It is a low bar, but it's the bar that prevented things from being much worse, and likely prevented him from immediate re-election.

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u/Acedread Jul 29 '21

This right here is what baffles me the most. Trump could have used the pandemic as a massive, MASSIVE political advantage. All he would have had to do is let the experts to their jobs, tell Americans what they're doing to fight it, and take all the credit for it.

A national and global health crisis is the golden ticket of rallying a nation behind a leader. If he had taken it seriously, he would have gotten so many more votes from moderates and liberals alike.

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u/thepeoplespeen Jul 29 '21

One of multiple pieces of evidence which exposed his actual stupidity and strategic ineptitude. These helped me sleep at night during his tenure frfr. But the previous commenters are right—the fact that he was a literal moron was a gift we may not be given again.

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u/Indifferentchildren Jul 29 '21

Some of them are White Nationalists, and want a separate country without any minorities (like Vermont), but most of them just want to go back to sucking on President Trump's nether-nipple.

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u/AgoraiosBum Jul 29 '21

They would talk about public executions of their enemies. That's a pretty standard fantasy. QAnon types are constantly going on about "did you know that secret military tribunals have been convened that are going to arrest and execute [insert list of liberals] next week?" And that's what gets them all hot and bothered.

Then in the next breath they talk about how important the Constitution is - the document that requires fair trials, with a jury, and due process of law.

So their fascists, dreaming of the state inflicting extra-judicial violence on anyone they don't like, but also dumb, and don't understand how our government and constitution actually works.

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u/Terminarch Jul 29 '21

You're definitely right about the public execution thing, but I'll have to disagree on why they want that. They believe that those in power are violating citizen's Costitutional rights and not being held to account, and further that the courts are actually protecting the villains.

They firmly believe that the system is corrupt to the core. Swamp so deep that it's impossible to get justice through legal channels. They don't believe that violence is good, but that it's the only option left to preserve the values this country supposedly stands for.

Have you seen the White House's press release about pressuring big tech to deplatform "disinformation superspreaders"? That's terrifying shit. What does that tell you about how the government perceives the 1st Amendment and our rights? Those targets didn't get a trial, jury, due process. And hell it's not even illegal to be wrong on the internet!

I understand why these right wing nutters believe what they do. When's the last time you've seen anyone in government held to account? Like those democrats who fled Texas to avoid a vote. If I walked off the job I'd be fired, but nope paid vacation for them! "Covid relief" money going to gender programs overseas, and more recently to racial programs in Chicago. The lefties have it correct about police accountability here. Then even in Europe their police protected grooming gangs for years! It's infuriating.

I hate seeing Republicans cover for "their team" when someone with an R next to their name does something horrible, and the same for Dems. Fuck politics. Just do your job and stick to your principles! Let's work together to get the criminals out of power in better service of the people. Until THAT happens the system doesn't work and it WILL NOT self correct.

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u/AgoraiosBum Jul 29 '21

Man, it is so terrifying when the government makes a mild statement that perhaps people should not help spread disinformation during a pandemic! A government that wants to stop people from getting sick and dying because of stupid conspiracy theories? Let me clutch my pearls!

The government has passed no law against it, and so is following the first amendment. "On the one hand, they want mass executions, but on the other hand, the government isn't happy about idiots prolonging a pandemic, so it evens out" is a hell of a fucking take.

We got the biggest criminal out of office when we defeated Trump.

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u/Shinjischneider Jul 29 '21

"His lawyer said Robertson is in solitary confinement, for his own safety, because he's a former police officer."

I'd say he's a terrorist and i thought after 9/11 they didn't get any human rights anymore.

#notallcops

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u/Thromnomnomok Jul 29 '21

But he's white, so he's not a terrorist, just a lone wolf bad apple congressional stormer. Just like all the other lone wolves who stormed the capitol! Alone. Simultaneously, by pure coincidence.

(/s)

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u/sidspacewalker Jul 29 '21

Nah, in the eyes of US law, only brown people can be terrorists.

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u/ecafsub Jul 29 '21

Gotta protect the pigs from the people they didn’t protect.

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u/foodiefuk Jul 29 '21

To Guantanamo

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u/Skrazor Jul 29 '21

The case highlights why prosecutors, federal judges and national security officials have warned of continued political violence from disillusioned supporters of former President Donald Trump.

Political violence, huh? Why do I have this feeling that they'd use a very different term if those people were Muslims...? One that starts with "T" and ends with "errorist".

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u/arthurdentstowels Jul 29 '21

37 guns seems like too many guns for someone with two hands. I hope he had video game inventory

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u/Painting_Agency Jul 29 '21

37 guns

"In a row?"

"TRY NOT TO BUY ANY GUNS ON YOUR WAY TO THE PARKING LOT!"

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u/Kid_Vid Jul 29 '21

Arms Dealer follows him out the building

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u/escape_of_da_keets Jul 29 '21

Even the Doom Slayer only needed like 9 guns

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u/Drowned_In_Spaghetti Jul 29 '21

The Doom Slayer had like 9 guns and they were enough to kill God like, three times!

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u/escape_of_da_keets Jul 29 '21

Well he also had divine powers that gave him super strength, healing, essentially infinite ammo, etc.

But yeah.

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u/manmadeofhonor Jul 29 '21

Okay, fine, he can have some meth, too.

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u/Celebrindor Jul 29 '21

The Doom Slayer doesn't need any guns. They're just murder enhancers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21 edited Jul 30 '21

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u/cloistered_around Jul 29 '21

Yeah--unless he was planning on handing them out, which is a whole different level of crazy than 'just" the crazy he's being accused of.

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u/_Rand_ Jul 29 '21

Why is it lone gunmen always have like 30 more guns than necessary?

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u/Throwaway-account-23 Jul 29 '21

Maybe someone gave him a gun rack, which necessitated the purchasing of many guns.

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u/Elmarcoz Jul 29 '21

Reloading takes time. Much easier to empty a gun and pick out another one rather than reload

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u/Indifferentchildren Jul 29 '21

Easier to carry 10 magazines than 10 AR-15s.

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u/americainperdu Jul 29 '21

110% chance this guy would not have said "violence is better than peaceful protest" about any racial justice protests over the last year.

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u/mesotermoekso Jul 29 '21

Of course not, violence is only good when it's used on people he doesn't like

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u/jermleeds Jul 28 '21

We are going to be dealing with these terrorist yahoos for the foreseeable future. Nice job, GOP.

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u/Diesel_Fixer Jul 29 '21

The term is 'yeehawdist' just fyi. lol

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u/PrincessBblgum1 Jul 29 '21

Ya'llqaeda

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u/BowwwwBallll Jul 29 '21

Vanilla ISIS

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u/lgndk11r Jul 29 '21

Meal Team 6

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u/JimC29 Jul 29 '21

The Gravy Seals

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u/Indifferentchildren Jul 29 '21

”Special" Forces

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u/Shinjischneider Jul 29 '21

Catholiban

alternatively

Evangeliban

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u/Connman8db Jul 29 '21

I'm a Republican and this is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

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u/luvgun21 Jul 28 '21

It’s going to get a hell of a lot worse if the GOP wins back a majority in the midterms

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u/MyTwoTotroises Jul 29 '21

please just let me live in blissful ignorance a bit longer

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u/ithappenedone234 Jul 29 '21

Don't worry, in a political sense, getting what you want may come fastest if the DNC loses the midterms. In that case, there isn't much left to lose, at a certain level (they always will have one eye on 2024), and they can use the lame duck session to ram through as much as they can.

Obama and Trump both had a better Congressional majorities their first two years than Biden has now, but Obama and the DNC lost his first midterm and started really rushing bills through.

Although they didn't really even attempt to fix immigration or many of the things they had campaigned on...

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u/maGe_meGa1312 Jul 29 '21

Arm yourselves and organize. Join us at r/anarchism r/antiracistaction r/SocialistRA or check out your local chapter of the John Brown gun club, redneck revolt, or any organized antifascist movement.

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u/kevinds Jul 28 '21 edited Jul 29 '21

Prosecutor Elizabeth Aloi disputed the son's claim about the FBI and said he "has now given inconsistent statements to law enforcement," raising the possibility that he broke the law by lying.

But the other way, law enforcement lying to a civilian, is perfectly acceptable, unless they are a minor in certain states..

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u/ilovethissheet Jul 29 '21

You left out the judge told the son to hire a lawyer. They're going to charge the son too lol

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u/dsisb Jul 29 '21

I read that as the son may have perjured himself by lying while testifying, not that it's a crime to lie to law enforcement.

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u/kevinds Jul 29 '21

Hunter Robertson, claimed under oath that FBI agents "did not" ask him about the rifle when they interviewed him while searching the house.

Maybe.. But I'm not sure...

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u/darcjacobs Jul 29 '21

Why don't they go into his record like the Black people cops kill with impunity?

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u/GuyLeRauch Jul 29 '21

Oh look, another bad apple.

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u/Shipachek Jul 29 '21

I have a hunch you're not a fan of dem apples.

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u/Lustle13 Jul 29 '21

The case took a turn last week when Robertson's son took the stand and testified that an M4 rifle found in his father's bedroom belonged to him.

Prosecutor Elizabeth Aloi disputed the son's claim about the FBI and said he "has now given inconsistent statements to law enforcement," raising the possibility that he broke the law by lying.

The judge said, "His testimony may incriminate him," and told the son to hire an attorney.

Buh Buh Buh

Another one bites the dust.

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u/That1GuyNate Jul 29 '21

Father/son solitary confinement. Real quality time.

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u/i3017 Jul 29 '21

that just shows how much of a dumbass is the son… just like dad!

FBI executed a warrant and you’re the only one at home during that time. What do they look for? shits like guns! who else r they gonna ask who’s gun is it? you’re the only one there! fucking dumbass!

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u/FiskFisk33 Jul 29 '21

ALERRT KIT

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u/mafulazula Jul 29 '21

I was going to ask if there was an IQ test fornpolice officers, then I remembered many departments would not hire people with high IQ scores. Fucking ridiculous!

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u/boybogart Jul 29 '21

I wonder how does he feel about that statement now that he is unarmed and in jail

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u/rexcraigo Jul 29 '21

Enjoy prison. Hopefully for the rest of your life you pathetic scumbag.

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u/ShnickityShnoo Jul 29 '21

There they go saying the quiet part out loud again.

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u/SaraSlaughter607 Jul 29 '21

IS THERE STILLLLLL ANY CONFUSION IN THE ROOM about defining these insane cultists as TERRORISTS full stop because it sure as fuck looks familiar and it ends with civilians slaughtered.

REIGN IN YOUR SCHIZO CULTIST FOLLOWERS, DUMP. AND FAST.

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u/Outcasted_introvert Jul 29 '21

Why would he do that? This is EXACTLY what he wants.

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u/keltoy1549 Jul 29 '21

Your republicans want a dictator.

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u/ChairBiscuit Jul 29 '21

That sounds like something a tourist would say.

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u/rubbar Jul 29 '21

Welcome to the Troubles. I’m not sure which revision we are on, since white nationalism/supremacy has so much history in the US.

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u/Indifferentchildren Jul 29 '21

I can't wait for Netflix to air their new comedy about the Troubles in America: "Dairy Girls".

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u/SYLOH Jul 29 '21

Anyone who think another civil war in America is impossible hasn't seen Ireland.
It's already started, just this, sometime foiled, other times not, over and over and over again.

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u/Syovere Jul 29 '21

Try not to buy any guns on your way out to the parking lot!

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21 edited Jul 29 '21

ALERRT...education, really is the missing puzzle piece here. There is no doubt anymore!

Wait you don't have to take any basic written tests to be a cop in usa?!

I feel like spelling would be ultra important as a cop!

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u/Silvea Jul 29 '21

I don’t know of a single PD that doesn’t have a written exam as part of the hiring process. I’m sure there are some small police departments that may not do it, but I’d say not taking a written test is more of an exception than the rule.

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u/UNDEADtofu1337 Jul 29 '21

How many guns does one person actually need? Like I can understand having one. Even up to like 4 or 5 for one person with actual specific uses for each

But 37? These are things meant to kill people, not goddamn Pokémon cards.

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u/Silvea Jul 29 '21

I could justify owning probably 10-15 guns each for a specific reason. Plus there is such a thing as collecting guns because you think they are interesting or cool.

That’s not what this guy was doing though

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u/MysticWombat Jul 29 '21

Yesterday I told a guy he should call the FBI on his co-worker who kept going on about the "upcoming civil war" and he was preparing for it too. This kind of shit will get you put away.

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u/Boomslangalang Jul 29 '21

I would follow up with that guy. These characters are deluded and dangerous with a mythical grievance not based in reality.

Personally I think they need to be crushed into submission and irrelevancy, that’s the only thing they respect, raw power.

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u/Chepi_ChepChep Jul 29 '21

how is this not the onion?

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u/smb275 Jul 29 '21

Put that motherfucker in general pop

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u/AbstinenceWorks Jul 29 '21

I have that box fan

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u/jjngundam Jul 29 '21

The system is broken if it takes you six months to accomplish that.

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u/Gecko23 Jul 29 '21

That label just says "No Ragrets" to me.

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u/iTeryon Jul 29 '21

I guess he is a roadhog main.

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u/godlessnihilist Jul 29 '21

If he wasn't under indictment, would buying 37 guns be illegal in Virginia? He bought them online? So much for background checks. I don't own a gun and do not live in the USA so have no idea how these things work.

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u/troublein420 Jul 29 '21

If you buy online, you generally have to transfer them through someone/somewhere local that has a federal firearms license.

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u/jaybord Jul 29 '21

There is no generally about it. The serialized part of the firearm has to be transferred through an FFL. Guns that are 50+ years old can be shipped to curio and relic license holders directly with no transfer, but that is still a type of FFL.

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u/godlessnihilist Jul 29 '21

So does this mean that someone in the supply chain will also be arrested? Would someone under indictment be barred from buying and raise a red flag during a background check?

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u/jaybord Jul 29 '21

Nobody in the chain of possession will be arrested for this. He should have been flagged during the background checks because of his indictment. Currently many of the failings of our gun legislation is the fault of the FBI doing their background checks incredibly poorly.

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u/WestFast Jul 29 '21

The gun shop Could have googled his name.

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u/BrightGreyEyes Jul 29 '21

It's not just doing them poorly. It's them being inadequately funded. Plus, if the FBI doesn't complete it in 3 days, the dealer can give you the gun anyway

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u/Wdrussell1 Jul 29 '21

They can give you the gun technically. However, if they do not get a response within the time fram (30 days) the person has to bring the gun back as that is considered a denial. However, most results in buying a gun are recieved within an hour of placing the request. I myself have two guns and both came back within an hour. My denial for my pistol was quick. But it was overturned.

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u/RootTootPrintNShoot Jul 29 '21

No, the FBI didnt do their job. A NOCS check was likely conducted, the FBI has the legal right to delay a transaction by 3 days to verify and apparently did not do so in this case.

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u/jaybord Jul 29 '21

A lot of the prohibited persons who end up with weapons get them because the FBI has consistently fails to do their job right.

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u/xDecenderx Jul 29 '21

He bought them online? So much for background checks.

So, it is illegal for any retail store to sell guns online. They can advertise, possibly even accept a down payment, but the actual transfer is done face to face after a federal insta-check. Exceptions for this is if the recipient holds a "dealer" license which is granted by the ATF. They can and do purchase online and have firearms shipped to them or their place of business.

A legal "online purchase" is where a business will market and transact digitally, then the seller must then ship the firearm to an approved dealer who will complete the face to face transaction just as if they were purchasing it from their store. Additionally, any person advertising their own personal firearms online (varies by online terms of use) and then selling them to an individual face to face.

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u/heklaflow Jul 29 '21

IANAL but…

Federal law, Virginia is no matter:

A felon under indictment cannot purchase a firearm.

There may also be possible charges for likely obsfucating or lying on the firearm transfer form 4473. Punishable by up to 5 yrs x 37 counts.

This probably should have been caught by background checks - it’s murkier because he hasn’t been convicted and I bet indictment records don’t cross to the ATF database - and if it did - and he beat the charges, it would be harder to expunge than beating the felony charge in the first place.

We have some of the worst data management in the world at the heart of the US government. It’s a legitimate argument against gun control that the right never invokes. We need some real database and informatics professionals to make it work…

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u/xDecenderx Jul 29 '21

A felon under indictment cannot purchase a firearm.

First off, you are not a felon if you are under indictment unless you have been previously convicted. Second, you are not a convicted felon if you are under indictment.

Second, OP was asking if he wasn't would it be illegal. The answer is NO. Quantity doesn't dictate legality.

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u/heklaflow Jul 29 '21

Chill dude - the actual terminology from the Brady Bill: “A person under felony indictment” - your semantics are correct.

The sentiment is the same - if indicted for a felony no shoot shoot cha ching.

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u/Drix22 Jul 29 '21

I think it's the case of he's not a felon under indictment, but rather a non-felon under incitement for a felony.

Most of the differentiation is a semantic based off "you're innocent until proven guilty"

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u/penregalia Jul 29 '21

Very interesting regarding indictment records and the ATF. I remember reading somewhere that agency has been gutted for years, not sure if that's still the case.

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u/Red0t514 Jul 29 '21

The ATF still exists, therefor it has too much power and resources

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u/BonChance123 Jul 29 '21

Well part of it is that the ATF is explicitly prevented from improving their data management, right? It's the classic antigovt strategy - defund and defang government to the point of dysfunction, and then use it as an example for the ills of government.

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u/RootTootPrintNShoot Jul 29 '21

The ATF is disallowed from creating a firearms registry, because thats explicitly what our current background check system is set up to avoid. NICS is just poorly managed by the FBI.

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u/Indifferentchildren Jul 29 '21

Most of the problems with NICS data has nothing to do with the FBI. Other state, local, and a few federal (glares at USAF) agencies have to send their indictment, conviction and adjudication data to the FBI, and those agencies often drop the ball.

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u/castor281 Jul 29 '21

Buying 37 guns is completely legal in all states, as long as you go through the proper process. Of course the proper process differs by state. In Texas I could buy 37 guns in one sitting, from one dealer, with one background check. If I had already had all 37 guns picked out I could buy them in one sitting. It would take about 15 minutes to purchase ALL the guns at once.

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u/godlessnihilist Jul 29 '21

Would it raise a red flag with anyone or would it just be a normal day in the USA?

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u/FlashCrashBash Jul 29 '21

You would most immediately be contacted by the ATF under suspicions of gun trafficking.

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u/Dairuin Jul 28 '21

ACAB - capital insurrectionist or not

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u/Orangeflea215 Jul 29 '21

Is this really oniony? The headline itself I could’ve seen being written 30 years ago, there have always been wackjobs.

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u/patchesthedrow Jul 29 '21

I mean, cops will use any minor gripe to call protesters violent, including shouting and throwing water bottles. Then the neoliberals can go on about violent protest solving nothing.

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u/Orangeflea215 Jul 29 '21

I just meant that this headline could easily describe any of the thousands of seemingly normal people over the last few decades who've snapped. Timothy McVeigh was in the army, Andrew Stack (the guy who crashed a plane into the IRS building in Austin) was a software developer, etc. I don't see how "Army Vet who was present at Waco is jailed after bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City" is really that different from this headline. It's outrageous, but it doesn't sound satirical.

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u/Fearless_Flamingo890 Jul 29 '21

Break the chain, Elmer Ricky Bobby Fudd. Stop perpetuating your bloodline by having kids who’s mother is your sister…

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u/Clouty_McKarmaface Jul 29 '21

OINK OINK OINK WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

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u/SeaAbbreviations422 Jul 29 '21

Who tf needs 37 guns?

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u/mafulazula Jul 29 '21

Nobody. The vast, vast, vast majority of people don’t need even one gun.

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u/Red0t514 Jul 29 '21

Who the fuck needs to question how many guns someone owns

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u/Bezulba Jul 29 '21

I get being a gun fan. Guns are cool. But there has to be a number when more isn't just better. I mean, unless you're some autistic collector needing all different variaties of the M4 or something (or Gun Jesus) that number has to be less then 37, for sure?

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u/baconblackhole Jul 29 '21

Good, lock that shit-hole brewing waste up

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u/mangobearsmoothie Jul 29 '21

Once again, for those who forgot: ACAB

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u/WestFast Jul 29 '21

Whatever shop sold these guns to a terrorist under indictment needs to lose their federal firearms license and be charged as an accessory.

They knew who they were selling to. No one is that country and stupid.

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u/Red0t514 Jul 29 '21

The legal system clearly states innocent until proven guilty, even if you're under indictment you're still innocent up until a judge formally declares you aren't. It's perfectly legal to sell guns to anyone not convicted of a felony

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u/Indifferentchildren Jul 29 '21

It is not legal if they are under indictment for a felony. Though the sellers are blameless if the government agencies that are responsible for providing that information to the sellers failed to do so.

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u/kwtech90 Jul 29 '21 edited Jul 29 '21

What kind of irresponsible raving lunatic would purchase 37 guns?

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u/smarmageddon Jul 29 '21

I'm truly saddened and embarrassed I live a country where anyone can just go out and buy 37 guns.