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The majority of plastic in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch is discarded fishing gear.

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u/swinging_ship Aug 12 '21

46% of plastics in the pacific garbage patch are from fishing gear. That is the majority and that is a problem.

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u/lnfinity Aug 12 '21

46% of the plastic is from fishing nets. Other types of fishing gear account for a substantial portion of the remainder:

A comprehensive new study by Slat’s team of scientists, published in Scientific Reports Thursday, concluded that the 79,000 tons was four to 16 times larger than has been previously estimated for the patch. The study also found that fishing nets account for 46 percent of the trash, with the majority of the rest composed of other fishing industry gear, including ropes, oyster spacers, eel traps, crates, and baskets.

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u/darren01610 Aug 12 '21

The pacific rubbish patch represents a very small amount of the plastic in the worlds oceans. Most of the plastic is in the form of microplastics and non-buoyant plastics. Greenpeace did a study in 2019 that placed discarded fishing gear (not just nets) at 10% of the errant plastic in the ocean. I will grant you that the pacific rubbish patch is largely discarded fishing gear but it is much less of a problem compared to other forms of plastic.

I think it gets a lot of attention because it is the area of most obvious danger to large marine life (despite the fact that microplastics in the food chain are just as dangerous to whales/dolphins etc.) and it also provides people with a scapegoat (i.e. fishermen & women) that makes them feel better about themselves so they can pretend that they aren't just as big of a contributor the global problem.

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u/potatotay Aug 12 '21

I watched that documentary on Netflix, I think it was (forgot the name) and I thought the same thing. All that "info" is only good for people to say "welp, that makes me blameless!". And I even had a moment after where I was like "fuck fisherman" but then it hit me. We still need to do our part.

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u/human_suitcase Aug 13 '21

I think that was “Seaspiracy”?

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u/JOBThatsMe Aug 13 '21

When it should've been "Conspirasea" 😬

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u/KyleSonOfKaren Aug 13 '21

That doco was interesting, but it was mostly just a cover for forcing vegetarianism.

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u/potatotay Aug 13 '21

Yeah. Watched it on a boring day, was like "wtf", looked into it and figured it out pretty quick lol

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u/TLinTX Aug 13 '21

Most of the plastic is in the form of microplastics

And where do a lot of microplastics come from? Washing clothing made from plastics.

What did sea shepherd do with a lot of the nets they recover? Recycle it into clothing.

HMMMMMM.

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u/hold-fast-nl Aug 12 '21

It gets attention because it makes for good PR when they can release pictures like this. Its the same reason they release pictures of baby seals when they protest the seal hunt in Canada even though baby seals aren't whats being culled.

These folks, like peta, like the conveniently misrepresent the facts for their own fundraising efforts.

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u/ZLBuddha Aug 12 '21

Technically that's a plurality

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u/uencos Aug 12 '21

Nets are a plurality, add the rest of the ‘fishing gear’ category and you get a clear majority

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u/slickyslickslick Aug 13 '21

46% of plastics in the pacific garbage patch are from fishing gear.

add the rest of the ‘fishing gear’ category and you get a clear majority

what?

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u/_Apatosaurus_ Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21

46%

That is the majority

Please explain

Edit: Majority almost always refers to an absolute majority of >50%. If OP means a plurality or relative majority, they should specify that. Not doing so is intentionally misleading.

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u/Smittywerbenjagerman Aug 12 '21

Things can be majority with less than 50% of the total if there are more than 2 categories.

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u/Bjd1207 Aug 12 '21

No that's called a plurality not a majority

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21

If you have 6 apples 3 bananas and 4 oranges, you have a majority of apples.

Majority literally means ‘the greater number’.

Edit: yes there are multiple definitions, but with the magic of context we can clearly see OP was using the one I’m referencing.

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u/RogueFighter Aug 12 '21

No, that's a plurality. Majority does specifically mean >50%

The stat above only counts fishing nets, if you included non-net fishing gear it does push the number over 50%.

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

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u/RogueFighter Aug 12 '21

Congratulations, but instead googling the minimum to confirm your side, maybe Google "majority vs plurality" and get back to me.

Majority has multiple definitions, a simple, inexact definition in common English, and a more exact definition in poli-sci, math, and engineering.

Of course, all of this is an irrelevant aside since as op clarified, fishing equipment constitutes over 50% of the trash, making it the majority by any definition.

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 13 '21

Its also irrelevant because using context clues you can easily see OP meant majority in the sense of the largest number of the group.

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u/FaceRockerMD Aug 12 '21

This is a semantics argument but I love how confidently incorrect you are.

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

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u/unpolloloco2 Aug 12 '21

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u/FaceRockerMD Aug 12 '21

Aww you beat me to it lol. He's gonna dig his heels in and keep using it wrong. Such is life.

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

Bruh how am I wrong?

There are clearly multiple definitions, using context clues you can obviously see the OP above was using the one I’m referencing.

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u/Bjd1207 Aug 12 '21

MW lists a few definitions, the first of which is "percentage equaling more than half of a total." It does give your definition as well https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

Wikipedia specifically separates the two understandings, with majority (and more specifically simple majority) meaning a subset with more than half of the sets elements. The subset of apples is not more than half of the set.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

Exactly though, this dude is getting hounded on because he used majority ‘wrong’ when in-fact he used it perfectly.

They chose to take their own definition, when its quite clear by the context he meant the larger of a group of numbers that make a whole.

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u/pelops Aug 12 '21

That definition doesn't work though because I could just as easily say from your example that a majority of fruits are not apples and I would be just as correct because the sum of oranges and bananas is the greater number compared to apples.

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u/Xerxes42424242 Aug 13 '21

No… that’s a plurality. As stated several times before.

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

All these people trying to correct you are literally speaking out of their ass.

Majority

noun

noun: majority; plural noun: majorities

  1. the greater number.

"in the majority of cases all will go smoothly"

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u/dr_feelz Aug 12 '21

Being wrong is embarrassing, but you are coming across as a real cocky piece of shit and it's a really simple word you can't understand. That word is used constantly in professional and scientific settings and it absolutely never means what you think it does. It means more than half. up votes and down votes and a three word definition you found on the internet and don't understand can't make you right.

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

Bruh I literally googled the oxford definition, it’s in the fucking dictionary.

Ofc I’m coming off as cocky, like 5 people came out of the woodworks to ‘correct’ this dude on his grammatically correct use of the word ‘majority’. They corrected him without even looking up the definition.

Majority, quite literally means ‘the bigger number’.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/majority

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u/Another_Idiot42069 Aug 12 '21

Oxford is wrong

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u/TransposingJons Aug 12 '21

Your username implies otherwise.

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u/_Apatosaurus_ Aug 12 '21

Majority means more than half. If there are more than two categories, and it's the largest, I believe the correct terms would be plurality or relative majority.

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

No it doesn’t.

Majority means ‘the greater number’.

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u/I--Pathfinder--I Aug 12 '21

well 46% isn’t the majority but i think he could mean that of all groups of trash in the ocean it is the most.

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u/Alis451 Aug 12 '21

he used the % for just the nets, and misquoted the NatGeo article, but more than half of all garbage is indeed fishing gear which includes the nets which are 46% of the total by themselves

The study also found that fishing nets account for 46 percent of the trash, with the majority of the rest composed of other fishing industry gear, including ropes, oyster spacers, eel traps, crates, and baskets.

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u/GodlessHippie Aug 12 '21

Plurality was the word they were looking for

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u/swinging_ship Aug 12 '21

Plurality and simple majority are the same thing. I never specified an absolute majority but a majority nonetheless.

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u/_Apatosaurus_ Aug 12 '21

We all know that majority almost always means absolute majority. If that's not what OP meant, they should specify that they meant relative majority or plurality. Or, they could have included a percentage.

It's possible to technically be correct but also be intentionally misleading.

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u/swinging_ship 28d ago

When does majority almost always mean absolute? We call pluralities in politics and racial percentages majorities all the time because nobody uses plurality.

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u/GodlessHippie Aug 12 '21

Fair enough! I always think of majority as 50+1% and plurality as the most out of all options but you’re right, simple majority is the same as plurality

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u/swinging_ship Aug 12 '21

No other material makes up more than 46% making 46% the majority

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u/PM_ME_U_BOTTOMLESS_ Aug 12 '21

no, the plurality

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u/Its_Nitsua Aug 12 '21

Take 5 seconds and google majority and its definitions

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u/swinging_ship Aug 12 '21

No other material makes up more than 46% making 46% the majority

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u/MorrowPlotting Aug 12 '21

Poli sci majors know you’re correct, but still find the downvotes hilarious.

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u/agreenmeany Aug 12 '21

Fishing nets represent 46%.

The total of fishing related materials in the pacific rubbish patch is >50%.

Nothing to see here...

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u/anthro28 Aug 13 '21

majority

46%

I don’t think that word men’s what you think it means.

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u/Monkeyboystevey Aug 13 '21

There are more than two categories though...