It almost killed him! The only reason he survived is that he was pumped full of then experimental Regeneron antibody treatments that weren't on the market yet
Combined with the fact that he had a fully staffed helicopter in his back yard waiting to take him to his private suite in the best hospital in the country at the drop of a hat.
Out of pocket: $0.00
If he wasn't president he would have straight up died. They caught it early because people are hyper vigilant about his health.
If he had let more virus replicate in his system before getting help, a normal 70+ year old man with dogshit health ... I don't think even an army of doctors with unlimited resources and no red tape could have saved him.
I would be really surprised if he's able to run in 2024. even for donald trump, one of the unhealthiest looking pieces of shit I've ever seen, he looks like he's dying since he got blown out by President Biden and humiliated on his way out of my white house.
I think his credentials as biggest loser in American history are undeniable to even his ego, and it weighs on him.
I still remember the discussions when it still was China's problem. People were already speculating that the virus might have spread across the globe. When the first European countries got hit and basic data was available, the deaths of millions was already predicted in academia. Scientists knew this would become a real problem.
This simply shows that most humans are incapable of risk assessment and unwilling to take measures in advance.
Instead, they rather wait for shit to hit the fan and then deal with the problem applying reactionary "solutions". It's the same bs with all our (global) issues: the vast majority is not going to take it seriously until it's too late, until they experience the negative impact themselves - and even that can't beat chronic denial.
Our species really has to change on a fundamental level.
When you think about it, human evolution happens on the scale of millions of years, yet our recorded history is what -- maybe 20k at most? We could be generous and call it 100k. Either way, that still means we're the stupidest possible species to have formed a modern society. Like, we crossed some bare-minimum evolutionary threshold, and there hasn't been enough time or genetic engineering to advance further. We think of ourselves as smart but that's only cause we compare ourselves to apes. Future humans who have evolved or (more likely) engineered themselves will look at all of us like we look at chimps.
We are the bare minimum of what it takes to form a modern society.
I work in biotech, and my coworkers and I were eating lunch in March chatting about what was about to happen. Everyone was casual and was like "we'll be back to work in about 6 weeks." I stayed quiet for a couple minutes then said, "in about 2 weeks, you are going to start to see some shit. And in about a month or two, we'll see the real shit and we'll know how fucked we are.". People blinked, and then kinda laughed me off. Everyone got on board shortly thereafter. I know what you mean.
Because most of the people dying are either in other countries. Or old people and minorities who can't afford health care.
Nearly 600k americans have died because of misinformation. That's a pretty grim number when you put it next to the 465k americans who died liberating europe from a regime that killed 6+ million and all they had to do was go through the 20 minute inconvience of getting a vaccine. We're not drafting them and handing them a rifle
More than 600k to be precise. But that's just the official number, my guess is there are a few 10k of deaths that weren't attributed to but were caused by corona.
Way more than that. The most reliable measure is a statistical comparison of deaths across the last 5-10 years. There's been about 1 million "excess deaths" since covid started, the vast majority most likely attributable to it. (This would include people without Covid who died because they couldn't get an ICU bed, for example.)
The true death toll is probably just shy of a million.
I constantly hear the argument that the numbers are inflated and they're including people who had the virus and died due to car wreck or some silly shit like that. While I don't disbelieve there may be places inflating the numbers, there are probably about as many underreporting.
People are so infuriating at this point. I work with a bunch of anti vax folks. They all REALLY love to spout “the flu kills more people” or what ever other dumb shit they think….
Well, wouldn’t you like to NOT be one of the people it kills?
I think them not taking the vaccine spits in the face of every person and every family that has been effected by this. To include the people who have FREAKIN DIED FROM IT!
Nah. Too extreme. I think we should just let hospitals electively discontinue covid-related services to people who are electively unvaccinated in order to make room for other people.
Just having to have nightly blackouts.... Just a sea of lights. "Why do we keep getting bombed? Shit luck I guess. Hey, party at my place! I have fireworks!"
Not true at all. The generally unhealthier you are, the more fatal it is. For instance, obese individuals are at much greater fatality risk than non-obese.
During the first wave, I sent an email to my family saying they needed to take things seriously because "more people will die than world war 2" . Well, here we are.
I was just recommended a YouTube video about how viruses mutate to become less deadly so now the antivaxxers have a new thing to argue like braindead imbeciles about.
Covid is so dangerous because it doesn't just annihilate everyone like Ebola, which is so lethal that it's difficult to spread. On account of being too good at killing its host.
Stupid mfers still don't get why that 'low 1% fatality rate is why Covid became a pandemic not a regional disease...
Viruses mutating into less deadly variant is not a good thing ffs. Imagine if ebola or sars became less lethal like Covid and people just spread that shit around...
I remember last April when I was looking at data and telling people that we were going to be seeing this killing more people than 9/11 killed in a single day as a regular occurrence if national behavior didn't radically change. I remember repeatedly being told that I was a moron and that I was just trying to scare people...
same. 3 weeks before we shutdown i told coworkers to get basic supplies for the homes and keep a week ahead on groceries. was told i’m the “covid guy” and teased that i was probably reading pandemic news instead of working. we shut down and that afternoon coworker said he didn’t know what they’d have for dinner as they hadn’t gone shopping and the stores were packed w people panic buying everything.
It's going to be crazy 10, 20 years down the line when the dust settles and we have an idea of how bad it was globally and there are still going to be posts like these archived on the internet saying it wasn't that bad.
First, extrapolation of state-level civil registration from seven states suggests 3.4 million excess deaths. Second, applying international estimates of age-specific infection fatality rates (IFR) to Indian seroprevalence data implies a higher toll of around 4 million. Third, our analysis of the Consumer Pyramid Household Survey, a longitudinal panel of over 800,000 individuals across all states, yields an estimate of 4.9 million excess deaths
Peru has revised its official death toll in the covid-19 pandemic from 69 342 to 185 380, after a scientific review of medical records ordered by the government. The new figure means that Peru has had 5551 covid deaths per million population, proportionally the worst official toll in the world
Russia recorded around 463,000 excess deaths from April 2020 to June this year during the coronavirus pandemic, according to Reuters calculations based on data released by the state statistics service on Friday. Some epidemiologists say excess deaths are the best way to measure the real death toll from COVID-19. Russia's coronavirus task force has confirmed a toll of 163,301 related deaths since the pandemic began.
If anything that is the exact opposite of the truth, not just untrue. Trump is not responsible, but he certainly did not respond correctly in the slightest. And real numbers are much likely considerably higher due to asymptomatic carriers
It's worse than just not responding correctly. Trump had a choice: he could take the basically guaranteed reelection by claiming he isn't a medical expert, listen to the experts. Instead, he thought that the virus would ravage urban areas much worse than rural and that means less blue voters. Sure he would kill some of his own voters too, but he would hurt the libs MORE, and thus the politicization of a pandemic was born.
Ironically enough, it's his own voters hurting the most now, because they still won't get vaccinated, wear a mask, or even cover their mouths when they cough all over. That last one may just be local to my own personal children-of-the-corn hell hole I live in, but something tells me most of them are equally gross people.
Many people get Covid from someone who tested positive and they just... don’t get tested. One person said “ i didn’t get the test cuz I didn’t wanna be in the system”. So I agree the numbers are under-reporting*
Oh That's ok, I was just clarifying. Now you're making me want to smoke which I think I will do right now. What province/state in canada do you live in?
Where in this thread did anyone suggest Trump is responsible?
Infection numbers are probably a lot lower than the actual count, since everybody counted is confirmed infected, but those infected without a confirmed test are not counted.
The argument that “the numbers are inflated” is easy to check. Each country has civil servants who measure the number of people who die every week. These numbers are published openly in most countries meaning that you can look back decades and see the death rate. In the UK it is done by The Office of National Statistics and in the US probably by a similarly boring group of number bods with no axe to grind and no horse in the Covid race. You can go and look these numbers up and compare them with the previous years.
But we both know you won’t do that because you’re not interested in the truth as much as you are pedalling a false narrative fed by FB memes.
and you think donald trump is responsible for the whole worlds pandemic?
Nobody said that, merely that he was downplaying something that's killed millions as not a big deal when he himself had access to the best healthcare in the world, drugs that weren't even approved for treating COVID were used on him.
The numbers are inflated anyway
Even if we accept that's true (it's not, they're severely undercounted. In India alone the rate of excess deaths was ten times higher than last year, Scientists estimate the actual death toll to 4 million rather than the official 414,000 there alone) by how much do you think they're inflated? 10%? 10% of 4.3 million would still leave 3.9million people dead of the virus and this is going by official death tolls, my comment above about India's undercounted toll is true for many other countries, especially developing ones. Why underplay something like this when facts are staring you in the face? Does reality scare you?
Even if it was the worst thing he had ever, he's never going to admit that.
That'd mean he was wrong and he can't be wrong because he's the best ever.
I mean, did you see his balcony scene? That was just horrible to watch. He was winded, in pain an wouldn't be able to coherently order a cheeseburger but sure it "wasn't that bad
Remember that time he could barely stand, let alone breathe on his own, and he told the world Covid was still totes nbd while it looked like the White House was on fire behind him?
They injected him with a massive dose of wide spectrum antibodies. That shit physically cleared the virus from his system rapidly, before it had a chance to do anything overly deleterious. Mimicking strong immunity essentially, and of course it was caught extremely early as he was tested often. Normal people don't have access to that shit, it just not realistic to scale that kind of treatment to a whole society of hundreds of millions. Yea if you're wealthy and have access to private retainer doctors, you can get it too.
It was clear he was having breathing issues from it, so it was likely bad but his personality does not allow admitting something was bad because that would be weak! As if it's actually strong to be that afraid of admitting reality
Don’t forget the thing that most likely saved him is an antibody injection that has to be administered 96 hours or less after exposure. Unless you get tested daily that is probably not going to be available for most people period, cost aside.
He was also so so so so sick. The fact that he agreed to be hospitalized at all when he can get really good on site medical care shows how fucked he was. And when he did that weird post hospital balcony wave he was visibly gasping for breath.
See that’s the thing. We know what this fucking psychopath is a raging narcissist, I would have figured he would just go on and on about how great his genetics are and how he beat this thing, no problem. He remained oddly silent about it after. It makes me wonder if he was really sick or just trying to get the sympathy vote?
It makes me wonder if he was really sick or just trying to get the sympathy vote?
I think he really was sick, but to T* all the world's a stage. So he hoped to exploit it to cosplay Superman - ala North Korean-style propaganda where the Supreme Leader never poops. Because the show must go on.
He had access to an ECMO if he needed it, which can basically remove the need for you to breathe. Even if you are completely intubated and can’t hardly breathe, the ECMO can keep you alive. Very expensive and very few exist to the public.
It’s widely agreed that he confused use of nebuliser treatment which, if you don’t understand the process, you could confuse for injecting something into the lungs.
And there is UV light therapy doctors have used and it’s been effective at killing the virus. Also, Vitamin D has proven to increase resistance to the virus.
Trump just did a shit job of conveying the info. It’d be like if one person said “eat some fruit, you gotta get some oranges in you to get your vitamin C up” and then you started eating orange flavoured popsicles.
It’s a classic case of “he a little confused but he got the spirit”
Yeah, the spirit of "It's a hoax" an "it'll be gone by Easter" then having rallies that killed fellow members of his party, getting it himself, getting hospitalized, and getting treatment only offered to serious cases.
I don’t recall him labelling it a hoax. The only instance where he said ‘hoax’ in relation to COVID was in relation to media reporting back when this was expected to be the next swine flu. I do recall, however, left wing news outlets saying that Fox News was dabbling in conspiracy theories for showing video of an “alleged” virus in Wuhan. And in the same time Trump was downplaying COVID, Vox, CNN and the like were writing headlines like “why you should be much more concerned about flu season than COVID”.
Yeah, no one forced anyone to attend any rallies, just as no one forced anyone to attend spring break, just as no one forced anyone to attend Lallapalooza, just as no one forced anyone to attend last year’s protests. If you choose to go somewhere with big crowds, that’s on you.
Okay, no one "forces" you to go to any of those things, but I would say it's pretty fucking irresponsible to hold those things without a limited capacity, mask mandate for entry or vaccine mandate for entry.
Yes. Because they shouldn't have existed at all without vaccine rollout. Or, if they did, they should have had a mask mandate or a capacity cap, which he mocked.
He literally didn’t do that, watch the video. He’s not claiming the virus itself is a hoax, and to do so would be at odds with his own actions. He literally bought up covid in his February SOTU address and had a task force looking into it in late January
“So sick of you Trumper scumbags thinking words matter”
Lmfao. I’m not a Trumper and uh, yeah words matter dude. Case in point, you’re communicating with them.
His admin enacted a travel ban on China I’m pretty sure that was in Feb, meanwhile American democrats tried passing a law not only to reverse that travel ban but to remove the power to enact such a ban from the presidency. How things change, am I right? All the while they were encouraging Americans to attend big events.
Also you’re claiming that he, vocally, claimed it didn’t exist. He never claimed it didn’t exist... ever. Don’t move the goalposts.
I’m not American nor am I a Trump voter (obviously). Every time with you people... don’t you have a few hundred riots to incite and then pretend they don’t exist?
Also why is people in speech marks? I mean... I could understand “you people” or “you” people. But you “people”... that’s where america is at? Dehumanising the other side? And you’re convinced you’re on the right side, right?
Idk man you’re sounding kinda xenophobic telling people to “go back”. Ya sure you’re anti-Trump?
I’m not telling you what it’s like living in America, I’m telling you that your account of some things is objectively false. The internet exists. The internet you use is the exact same one I use.
Trump apologists dehumanized themselves over the last five years by (in addition to others ways of being a nuisance) constantly making new accounts, so I don't trust anyone peddling such bull to be authentic anymore. Thus they're/you're nominally "people" insofar as I only recognize you're a person behind a screen, but not actually behaving as a genuine person.
No I think the people who are intentionally muddying knowledge (the knowledge gained through interactions online) are the bad guys, especially given what they've succeeded in doing through their disinformation efforts.
It’d be like if one person said “eat some fruit, you gotta get some oranges in you to get your vitamin C up” and then you started eating orange flavoured popsicles.
Yeah, it'd be like that if that one person was the one responsible for pulling the trigger in a nuclear war.
Presidents frequently misunderstand things they’re not qualified to comment on, this isn’t new. Barack Obama spread the myth that 1 in 5 women at college get raped, George Bush bumbled his way into a bad war and Joe Biden... well, let’s not go there.
This just happened to be one people fixated on because of poor wording even if that wording did refer to something real.
He went against science from the jump. This wasn't one little goof. First he called it a hoax, then politicized masks, then openly mocked top scientists and medical professionals, then encouraged people to protest lockdowns, then got the vaccine in secret when he could have used his standing in his cult to tell them to do the same.
He was confused. If only he had a team of medical experts who could convey this better to a nation than him. But no we were subjected to those daily shit shows with him up front and center telling us that this was “no big deal”. Sigh.
It’s actually widely agreed that he was spitballing a “wouldn’t it be cool if we could….” on live TV, as the President, at a press conference intended to convey crucial health information to the public. He was never meant to discuss UV treatment or speculate about how cool it might be to be able to use disinfectant internally, he was supposed to be sticking to the fucking script and getting people on board to save lives. He doesn’t deserve extra points because he was being a benign idiot and not a malicious one.
Thankfully, for most people it's only a mild annoyance. Get your vitamin C, Zinc, and D3 and you should be good. Really sucks for the people that are immune-compromised like my fiance.
The stuff Trump used is called Regeneron which uses monoclonal antibodies. It works wonders! At the time, it was experimental and only for the lucky few, but it's now able to be prescribed in most clinics.
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And then he gets it, and he says "it wasn't so bad."
As if he doesn't arguably have access to the best healthcare in human existence.
Just downplaying something that's killed thousands and grinded the world to a halt.